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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal." He’s half Armenian. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal." What about Trump? | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. What about Trump?" And the teletubbies | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. What about Trump?" he’s a very strange shade of orange. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal." Think he uses ronseal fence life.. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson " How do you know he wouldn't be offended ? | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. What about Trump?" He uses orange juice for moisturiser  | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson How do you know he wouldn't be offended ?" I think because it’s his USP? | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal." So are you saying it’s pretty much all of Essex people? | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " Coloured was used by white people during segregation and hasn’t been widely used since the 70’s. Unless you’re over 60 and have lived in a cave your entire life you shouldn’t be using that at all. BAME is problematic because it’s just another way of putting everyone who isn’t white into another box. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. So are you saying it’s pretty much all of Essex people? "Oi! | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. So are you saying it’s pretty much all of Essex people?
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"Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " LOOOOOOOOOOOL SORRY WHAT?  | |||
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"Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though LOOOOOOOOOOOL SORRY WHAT? "You use the N word??? | |||
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"Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though LOOOOOOOOOOOL SORRY WHAT?
You use the N word???"Stop being such a white person and being offended. | |||
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"Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though LOOOOOOOOOOOL SORRY WHAT?
You use the N word???
Stop being such a white person and being offended. "Shit that’s my bad. I forgot myself for a second | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " You use the N word ?? Really? And you proudly admit this on a public forum? Just as I thought we were getting somewhere in this country  | |||
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" Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " "I can't possibly be racist, I have black friends and they don't have a problem with me calling them 'N*****'!" is definitely not the flex you seem to think it is. You need to educate yourself. | |||
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" Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though "I can't possibly be racist, I have black friends and they don't have a problem with me calling them 'N*****'!" is definitely not the flex you seem to think it is. You need to educate yourself." Not too sure how a lighthearted post about a strange looking TV host morphed into this? Anyway for what’s it’s worth ‘N’ it’s just a word. Only a problem if it’s used in an offensive way. What do you mean about the need to “educate yourself “? That one always puzzles me. | |||
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" Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though "I can't possibly be racist, I have black friends and they don't have a problem with me calling them 'N*****'!" is definitely not the flex you seem to think it is. You need to educate yourself. Not too sure how a lighthearted post about a strange looking TV host morphed into this? Anyway for what’s it’s worth ‘N’ it’s just a word. Only a problem if it’s used in an offensive way. What do you mean about the need to “educate yourself “? That one always puzzles me. " It most certainly is not just a word. | |||
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" Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though "I can't possibly be racist, I have black friends and they don't have a problem with me calling them 'N*****'!" is definitely not the flex you seem to think it is. You need to educate yourself. Not too sure how a lighthearted post about a strange looking TV host morphed into this? Anyway for what’s it’s worth ‘N’ it’s just a word. Only a problem if it’s used in an offensive way. What do you mean about the need to “educate yourself “? That one always puzzles me. It most certainly is not just a word." Bro honestly | |||
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" Not too sure how a lighthearted post about a strange looking TV host morphed into this? Anyway for what’s it’s worth ‘N’ it’s just a word. Only a problem if it’s used in an offensive way. What do you mean about the need to “educate yourself “? That one always puzzles me. " So do you also use the word then? In a non offensive way ( )? | |||
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" Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though "I can't possibly be racist, I have black friends and they don't have a problem with me calling them 'N*****'!" is definitely not the flex you seem to think it is. You need to educate yourself. Not too sure how a lighthearted post about a strange looking TV host morphed into this? Anyway for what’s it’s worth ‘N’ it’s just a word. Only a problem if it’s used in an offensive way. What do you mean about the need to “educate yourself “? That one always puzzles me. It most certainly is not just a word. Bro honestly "“Educate yourself” has never been more relevant. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. " My kids heard me say shit once, they understand it’s a bad word and don’t copy. They’re 2 and 5. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. " Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. My kids heard me say shit once, they understand it’s a bad word and don’t copy. They’re 2 and 5." Because you have brought them up with respect. Many don’t have such role models to follow. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. " | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. " No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. " Words have context. All words. If x can use the word and it be ok and you can't, you don't know or have the context. Maybe safer not to use the word unless or until you do. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. " Ah. I know where this is going. Nevermind | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. " oh you’re asking for a lot there | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. Ah. I know where this is going. Nevermind ". Did you read the first line of what I said..?? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. "  | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. oh you’re asking for a lot there "Maybe if we banned words like racist, the world would be better, because less feelings that matter would be hurt. (SARCASM FONT DETECTED) | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it? "They choose not to. If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist. Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo" | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it? "I agree. See first line of my post. However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo""It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing? | |||
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" Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " .................................. .....and yet you, a white male, appear to be embracing offence on their behalf! For what it's worth I don't know any black people (a significant number make up my own family) who refer to each other by the N word, in fact hell would be raised if it ever did happen. Why can't (some) white people just accept that the word is generally offensive, instead of constantly pushing back against the social norms of respectful behaviour? Why can't you refer to black people as just that 'black people', it's not rocket science. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting."Then we should educate them. However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures. If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them. Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting."But if small white kids can get why it's not for them to use - why can't adults? Even one on this thread. It's not a tough concept to grasp. | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though Coloured was used by white people during segregation and hasn’t been widely used since the 70’s. Unless you’re over 60 and have lived in a cave your entire life you shouldn’t be using that at all. BAME is problematic because it’s just another way of putting everyone who isn’t white into another box. " Agree with the last point. Be as well using the abbreviations "NW" = not white! | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo"
It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing? "I think that word (and not as bad as n word but similar energy) has been a lot more reclaimed, but yes, I'd still never use it myself because of its (briefer, less bad, still bad) history. My ancestors were overwhelmingly on the more powerful side so it's not a word I get to use. (Although like you I'd say the word and apologise. I'd never ever say the n word. It's objectively worse) | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. Ah. I know where this is going. Nevermind .
Did you read the first line of what I said..??"Yep. I just don’t want to get into a conversation about how this is something that Black kids and Black rappers are responsible for. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
But if small white kids can get why it's not for them to use - why can't adults? Even one on this thread. It's not a tough concept to grasp. "Agreed, but unfortunately some will never get it…. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. Ah. I know where this is going. Nevermind .
Did you read the first line of what I said..??
Yep.
I just don’t want to get into a conversation about how this is something that Black kids and Black rappers are responsible for. "That’s how you interpreted it. All I said is it doesn’t help. Impressionable people copy what they hear from ALL sources. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal." Can't speak for everyone but I was really interested in getting some answers to this | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. Ah. I know where this is going. Nevermind .
Did you read the first line of what I said..??
Yep.
I just don’t want to get into a conversation about how this is something that Black kids and Black rappers are responsible for.
That’s how you interpreted it. All I said is it doesn’t help.
Impressionable people copy what they hear from ALL sources."Then teach people in *your* orbit better. You do better. Don't take on subcultures you don't understand. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo"
It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing?
I think that word (and not as bad as n word but similar energy) has been a lot more reclaimed, but yes, I'd still never use it myself because of its (briefer, less bad, still bad) history.
My ancestors were overwhelmingly on the more powerful side so it's not a word I get to use.
(Although like you I'd say the word and apologise. I'd never ever say the n word. It's objectively worse)"It felt quite uncomfortable to say the "w" word tbh. I don't imagine many British people know it. But for me it's so imbued with thinking of Greek and Italian people as second class citizens when I was growing up. And also calling Aboriginals a shortened version of the word. I still cringe. | |||
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"My colour is warm ivory. I know that because a lovely lady from the cosmetics counter in Boots tested it for me. " I'm between warm ivory and Calico. With apologies to Annie Lennox, I'm a darker shade of pale | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo"
It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing?
I think that word (and not as bad as n word but similar energy) has been a lot more reclaimed, but yes, I'd still never use it myself because of its (briefer, less bad, still bad) history.
My ancestors were overwhelmingly on the more powerful side so it's not a word I get to use.
(Although like you I'd say the word and apologise. I'd never ever say the n word. It's objectively worse)
It felt quite uncomfortable to say the "w" word tbh. I don't imagine many British people know it. But for me it's so imbued with thinking of Greek and Italian people as second class citizens when I was growing up. And also calling Aboriginals a shortened version of the word. I still cringe. "Absolutely. It's a little after my time, but no, just no. Also that other word. Never ever. | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. No, but it doesn’t help. Or do you think it does?? I lived in London for 35 years and black kids use the term all the time amongst themselves. Ah. I know where this is going. Nevermind .
Did you read the first line of what I said..??
Yep.
I just don’t want to get into a conversation about how this is something that Black kids and Black rappers are responsible for.
That’s how you interpreted it. All I said is it doesn’t help.
Impressionable people copy what they hear from ALL sources.
Then teach people in *your* orbit better. You do better.
Don't take on subcultures you don't
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"My colour is warm ivory. I know that because a lovely lady from the cosmetics counter in Boots tested it for me. " Super deflection to keep things lighthearted beige sand for me by all accounts
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations."..................................
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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"I fully appreciate the context and why. Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all.. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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I fully appreciate the context and why.
Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all.."So tell them not to. I once saw an adorable video of a toddler being asked to say "fire truck" "Fire fuck!" He exclaimed. Same thing. Exactly the same thing. Or the time, I would have been about six, where I invented a word. I'm so clever. The boys at school were calling me a witch. So I called them bitches. B - boy - witch. Yes? | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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I fully appreciate the context and why.
Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all..
So tell them not to.
I once saw an adorable video of a toddler being asked to say "fire truck"
"Fire fuck!" He exclaimed.
Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
Or the time, I would have been about six, where I invented a word. I'm so clever. The boys at school were calling me a witch. So I called them bitches. B - boy - witch. Yes?". If I encountered it I would. But the impressionable continue to be impressed. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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I fully appreciate the context and why.
Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all..
So tell them not to.
I once saw an adorable video of a toddler being asked to say "fire truck"
"Fire fuck!" He exclaimed.
Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
Or the time, I would have been about six, where I invented a word. I'm so clever. The boys at school were calling me a witch. So I called them bitches. B - boy - witch. Yes?.
If I encountered it I would.
But the impressionable continue to be impressed.
"As they do about running across the road, swear words, sticking their fingers in electric sockets, etc. And yet it's only a gigantic issue here. Hmm. I wonder why | |||
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"Grandma spent a long time in South Africa. She even had a black person that lived in a little shed at the end of her garden that would do all her house work. She has a whole bunch of nasty words I’ve never heard before for people that weren’t white. She’s a lot quieter now but when I was little she certainly wasn’t. " One of my relatives, as they declined into dementia, started coming out with all sorts of colourful language about anyone not of British or Irish descent. I had the mantra on repeat in my head "they knew better when they had the cognitive capacity". Because I had never ever heard them use a bigoted word before their cognitive decline was pretty significant. | |||
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"Grandma spent a long time in South Africa. She even had a black person that lived in a little shed at the end of her garden that would do all her house work. She has a whole bunch of nasty words I’ve never heard before for people that weren’t white. She’s a lot quieter now but when I was little she certainly wasn’t. One of my relatives, as they declined into dementia, started coming out with all sorts of colourful language about anyone not of British or Irish descent. I had the mantra on repeat in my head "they knew better when they had the cognitive capacity". Because I had never ever heard them use a bigoted word before their cognitive decline was pretty significant." It shocks me how often guys on site use it to. Especially the N one. All the time. Guys I wouldn’t expect it from either. Young guys too. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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I fully appreciate the context and why.
Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all..
So tell them not to.
I once saw an adorable video of a toddler being asked to say "fire truck"
"Fire fuck!" He exclaimed.
Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
Or the time, I would have been about six, where I invented a word. I'm so clever. The boys at school were calling me a witch. So I called them bitches. B - boy - witch. Yes?.
If I encountered it I would.
But the impressionable continue to be impressed.
As they do about running across the road, swear words, sticking their fingers in electric sockets, etc.
And yet it's only a gigantic issue here.
Hmm. I wonder why "You seem to want to make it personal. If only educating did stop these behaviours… Then this discussion would not be taking place. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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I fully appreciate the context and why.
Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all..
So tell them not to.
I once saw an adorable video of a toddler being asked to say "fire truck"
"Fire fuck!" He exclaimed.
Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
Or the time, I would have been about six, where I invented a word. I'm so clever. The boys at school were calling me a witch. So I called them bitches. B - boy - witch. Yes?.
If I encountered it I would.
But the impressionable continue to be impressed.
As they do about running across the road, swear words, sticking their fingers in electric sockets, etc.
And yet it's only a gigantic issue here.
Hmm. I wonder why
You seem to want to make it personal.
If only educating did stop these behaviours…
Then this discussion would not be taking place.
"I'm not making it personal. It's not about you. I don't know you from Adam. It's about the fact we just go on with our lives when we have to teach toddlers not to fuck around with electricity, yet it's a Giant Problem when it's about race, according to some people. Rather than - exactly the same thing. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
I agree.
See first line of my post.
However some kids don’t get it and copy what they hear from whatever source. That’s what I was highlighting.
Then we should educate them.
However, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, we should probably not try to railroad subcultures.
If you encounter white children shouting profanity or racial abuse, by all means educate them.
Given your extensive experience of in-group acceptance of the N word among some cultural groups, you'll be aware that you're missing vital context and you should leave them to it. Those with the context will have the conversations.
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I fully appreciate the context and why.
Whilst their use maybe legitimate and with context, the point I was making is others who don’t have the context or legitimate reason then copy. That’s all..
So tell them not to.
I once saw an adorable video of a toddler being asked to say "fire truck"
"Fire fuck!" He exclaimed.
Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
Or the time, I would have been about six, where I invented a word. I'm so clever. The boys at school were calling me a witch. So I called them bitches. B - boy - witch. Yes?.
If I encountered it I would.
But the impressionable continue to be impressed.
As they do about running across the road, swear words, sticking their fingers in electric sockets, etc.
And yet it's only a gigantic issue here.
Hmm. I wonder why
You seem to want to make it personal.
If only educating did stop these behaviours…
Then this discussion would not be taking place.
I'm not making it personal. It's not about you. I don't know you from Adam.
It's about the fact we just go on with our lives when we have to teach toddlers not to fuck around with electricity, yet it's a Giant Problem when it's about race, according to some people. Rather than - exactly the same thing. "Agreed. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. " Very few people are. | |||
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" Not too sure how a lighthearted post about a strange looking TV host morphed into this? Anyway for what’s it’s worth ‘N’ it’s just a word. Only a problem if it’s used in an offensive way. What do you mean about the need to “educate yourself “? That one always puzzles me. So do you also use the word then? In a non offensive way ( )? "No. Do you? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are." Which world are you living in?! Any non-white person on this site would tell you that's bollocks. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are." Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers?" No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist." Then you have met remarkably few people and are incredibly fortunate. I envy you. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. Then you have met remarkably few people and are incredibly fortunate. I envy you." What is the definition of a racist? Can only white people be racists? I remember meeting someone in China that said “I don’t like black people”. Does that make her a racist? Mind you, she also said she didn’t like Americans! | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist." Does that mean they don't exist? And as you're white, how do you know they weren't racist? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are." I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. Then you have met remarkably few people and are incredibly fortunate. I envy you. What is the definition of a racist? Can only white people be racists? I remember meeting someone in China that said “I don’t like black people”. Does that make her a racist? Mind you, she also said she didn’t like Americans! " So you have met a racist? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. Does that mean they don't exist? And as you're white, how do you know they weren't racist?" Who said they don’t exist? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on "Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one? | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " And a lot of black people ARE offended by the the N word so can't generalise | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one? "Look at some of the things our PM has said. The leader of this country. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Look at some of the things our PM has said. The leader of this country." | |||
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"My colour is warm ivory. I know that because a lovely lady from the cosmetics counter in Boots tested it for me. Super deflection to keep things lighthearted beige sand for me by all accounts
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Look at some of the things our PM has said. The leader of this country."Don’t bring that knob into it. Name a better one? | |||
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"My colour is warm ivory. I know that because a lovely lady from the cosmetics counter in Boots tested it for me. Super deflection to keep things lighthearted beige sand for me by all accounts
It's very important to know we are all shades of human, from the lightest to the darkest shades, according to our pigmentation.
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Look at some of the things our PM has said. The leader of this country.
Don’t bring that knob into it. Name a better one? "I don’t live in another country so why is that relevant? I have travelled to other countries and have never experienced any racism though. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. Think he uses ronseal fence life.. " He’s the creosote man. | |||
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"My colour is warm ivory. I know that because a lovely lady from the cosmetics counter in Boots tested it for me. Super deflection to keep things lighthearted beige sand for me by all accounts
It's very important to know we are all shades of human, from the lightest to the darkest shades, according to our pigmentation.
I am "Rose Vanilla" and that is honestly the daintiest thing about me "I'm delighted to see that the word "fair" is being phased out in some situations, due to the connotations that it doesn't make about non-Caucasian people. Progress is being made. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Look at some of the things our PM has said. The leader of this country.
Don’t bring that knob into it. Name a better one?
I don’t live in another country so why is that relevant? I have travelled to other countries and have never experienced any racism though."I'm an immigrant and occasionally I get told how racist Australians are. In the context of the news when I'm told, it's always, always appropriate when I get that, even when I personally had fuck all to do with it | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. Then you have met remarkably few people and are incredibly fortunate. I envy you. What is the definition of a racist? Can only white people be racists? I remember meeting someone in China that said “I don’t like black people”. Does that make her a racist? Mind you, she also said she didn’t like Americans! " “I’ve never met a racist. Just the one women I met who says she didn’t like black people” Very confused | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. Then you have met remarkably few people and are incredibly fortunate. I envy you. What is the definition of a racist? Can only white people be racists? I remember meeting someone in China that said “I don’t like black people”. Does that make her a racist? Mind you, she also said she didn’t like Americans! “I’ve never met a racist. Just the one women I met who says she didn’t like black people” Very confused " No confusion. Surely people are free to like or dislike whatever they want. She would never cause offence. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one? "All this does is undermine experiences of racism by suggesting that we should be grateful because the racism we experience ‘could be worse’.
Also being tolerated isn’t the win that you think it is. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Have you just been introduced to the internet? Have you not seen the headlines in the papers? No need to be rude. I’ve never met anyone that’s racist. Then you have met remarkably few people and are incredibly fortunate. I envy you. What is the definition of a racist? Can only white people be racists? I remember meeting someone in China that said “I don’t like black people”. Does that make her a racist? Mind you, she also said she didn’t like Americans! “I’ve never met a racist. Just the one women I met who says she didn’t like black people” Very confused No confusion. Surely people are free to like or dislike whatever they want. She would never cause offence. " Racism is illogical. As no two people are the same how can you dislike a race? It makes zero sense. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
All this does is undermine experiences of racism by suggesting that we should be grateful because the racism we experience ‘could be worse’.
Also being tolerated isn’t the win that you think it is. "It also shows that this isn’t the racist filled shit hole that some people seem to think it is. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
All this does is undermine experiences of racism by suggesting that we should be grateful because the racism we experience ‘could be worse’.
Also being tolerated isn’t the win that you think it is.
It also shows that this isn’t the racist filled shit hole that some people seem to think it is."Nobody said it was a shit hole. Just that racism is a problem in this country. Why is that so hard for you to accept? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one? "Yes it's perfection here. "Racially motivated Hate Crimes are the highest reported type of Hate Crime in the UK. A total of 85,268 racially aggravated offences were recorded in 2020/2021 – up 12% on the 76,158 in 2019/2020. According to Victim Support, race and nationality Hate Crimes rose by a shocking 73% in 2021." (STOP HATE UK) | |||
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"I think the vast majority would agree the word is abhorrent. What doesn’t help is rap artists and the like continually using the word in lyrics which some people then think legitimises it’s use. Ah. The Black rappers using the word is the real problem. " If Snoopy Dog Dog and Puff Adders can use it......
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
All this does is undermine experiences of racism by suggesting that we should be grateful because the racism we experience ‘could be worse’.
Also being tolerated isn’t the win that you think it is.
It also shows that this isn’t the racist filled shit hole that some people seem to think it is.
Nobody said it was a shit hole. Just that racism is a problem in this country. Why is that so hard for you to accept?"Along with many problems. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
All this does is undermine experiences of racism by suggesting that we should be grateful because the racism we experience ‘could be worse’.
Also being tolerated isn’t the win that you think it is.
It also shows that this isn’t the racist filled shit hole that some people seem to think it is.
Nobody said it was a shit hole. Just that racism is a problem in this country. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
Along with many problems."That should also be addressed. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Yes it's perfection here.
"Racially motivated Hate Crimes are the highest reported type of Hate Crime in the UK. A total of 85,268 racially aggravated offences were recorded in 2020/2021 – up 12% on the 76,158 in 2019/2020. According to Victim Support, race and nationality Hate Crimes rose by a shocking 73% in 2021." (STOP HATE UK)"Who said ‘perfection’? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
All this does is undermine experiences of racism by suggesting that we should be grateful because the racism we experience ‘could be worse’.
Also being tolerated isn’t the win that you think it is.
It also shows that this isn’t the racist filled shit hole that some people seem to think it is.
Nobody said it was a shit hole. Just that racism is a problem in this country. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
Along with many problems.
That should also be addressed. "Of course. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Yes it's perfection here.
"Racially motivated Hate Crimes are the highest reported type of Hate Crime in the UK. A total of 85,268 racially aggravated offences were recorded in 2020/2021 – up 12% on the 76,158 in 2019/2020. According to Victim Support, race and nationality Hate Crimes rose by a shocking 73% in 2021." (STOP HATE UK)
Who said ‘perfection’? "I guess we’re just banging our head against a brick wall. You’ve been given statistics and you’re still deflecting. If less people buried their head in the sand and actually called out racism then those figure would be significantly smaller. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Yes it's perfection here.
"Racially motivated Hate Crimes are the highest reported type of Hate Crime in the UK. A total of 85,268 racially aggravated offences were recorded in 2020/2021 – up 12% on the 76,158 in 2019/2020. According to Victim Support, race and nationality Hate Crimes rose by a shocking 73% in 2021." (STOP HATE UK)
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Yes it's perfection here.
"Racially motivated Hate Crimes are the highest reported type of Hate Crime in the UK. A total of 85,268 racially aggravated offences were recorded in 2020/2021 – up 12% on the 76,158 in 2019/2020. According to Victim Support, race and nationality Hate Crimes rose by a shocking 73% in 2021." (STOP HATE UK)
Who said ‘perfection’?
I guess we’re just banging our head against a brick wall. You’ve been given statistics and you’re still deflecting. If less people buried their head in the sand and actually called out racism then those figure would be significantly smaller."No brick wall, no deflection. I appreciate that as a white guy in a predominantly white society I’m not in the best position to comment on levels of offence from racist actions. I suspect though that the overwhelming majority are more a case of cuntism (new word) than racism. Same applies to sexism & misogyny, ( a word I’d never heard until just a few years back) they are non discriminatory people that are rude / horrible to everyone. Anyway- back to Dickinson. A villa in Spain or a sunbed? | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Yes it's perfection here.
"Racially motivated Hate Crimes are the highest reported type of Hate Crime in the UK. A total of 85,268 racially aggravated offences were recorded in 2020/2021 – up 12% on the 76,158 in 2019/2020. According to Victim Support, race and nationality Hate Crimes rose by a shocking 73% in 2021." (STOP HATE UK)
Who said ‘perfection’?
I guess we’re just banging our head against a brick wall. You’ve been given statistics and you’re still deflecting. If less people buried their head in the sand and actually called out racism then those figure would be significantly smaller."Yes. Banging our heads.   | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps " I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo"
It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing?
I think that word (and not as bad as n word but similar energy) has been a lot more reclaimed, but yes, I'd still never use it myself because of its (briefer, less bad, still bad) history.
My ancestors were overwhelmingly on the more powerful side so it's not a word I get to use.
(Although like you I'd say the word and apologise. I'd never ever say the n word. It's objectively worse)
It felt quite uncomfortable to say the "w" word tbh. I don't imagine many British people know it. But for me it's so imbued with thinking of Greek and Italian people as second class citizens when I was growing up. And also calling Aboriginals a shortened version of the word. I still cringe.
Absolutely. It's a little after my time, but no, just no.
Also that other word. Never ever."We know the W word ok. Prevalent In several 60/70s sitcoms. I would say n word is more reclaimed within black community. W word seems worse as only has negative connotations although it’s origIn is possibly more benign (gollywog) | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps " You can’t hide from it forever. I never experienced racism really until I was like 11/12. Then it was the subtle things, the microaggressions, the being followed and stopped etc. some people never experience it. In the last 10 years alone I have experienced so much but I think learning more and studying more has made me hyper aware. And in terms of my daughter (mixed race) she’s only small but there’s been comments made about her being lucky for not inheriting certain Black features and things like that. Do I think it’s getting better - it’s better than when my Nan and my mum were small. Not got better really during my lifetime though. In fact I sometimes feel like it’s getting worse in the last few years. | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. " Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. I’m not sure if you walk around with your eyes closed and earphones in on full blast But it’s all over and it’s not on
Rubbish. I think you will find that the UK is one of the most open & tolerant nations on Earth. Name a better one?
Look at some of the things our PM has said. The leader of this country.
Don’t bring that knob into it. Name a better one?
I don’t live in another country so why is that relevant? I have travelled to other countries and have never experienced any racism though.
I'm an immigrant and occasionally I get told how racist Australians are.
In the context of the news when I'm told, it's always, always appropriate when I get that, even when I personally had fuck all to do with it "I agree. It’s shut to be made to feel guilty about something bad happening that you had nothing to do with. And your made to feel like you should be apologising ? | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps " I never experienced it around that age but definitely had a few uncomfortable experiences as an adult. Mainly in the working world. | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please "My first real experience with racism was when I was around 13. I lost it and knocked his teeth out. I don’t think I’m a hard man or anything but that probably played a big part in me not experiencing much more. Others who don’t react probably get it worse. I have heard bits of racism towards Eastern Europeans and I call that out as well. Other than when I went to Cardiff I haven’t actually met any Welsh people. | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please
My first real experience with racism was when I was around 13. I lost it and knocked his teeth out. I don’t think I’m a hard man or anything but that probably played a big part in me not experiencing much more. Others who don’t react probably get it worse.
I have heard bits of racism towards Eastern Europeans and I call that out as well. Other than when I went to Cardiff I haven’t actually met any Welsh people."I have heard first hand terrible racism from welsh people towards English people. It’s not just the colour of one’s skin. | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please
My first real experience with racism was when I was around 13. I lost it and knocked his teeth out. I don’t think I’m a hard man or anything but that probably played a big part in me not experiencing much more. Others who don’t react probably get it worse.
I have heard bits of racism towards Eastern Europeans and I call that out as well. Other than when I went to Cardiff I haven’t actually met any Welsh people."In the meantime, I’m still trying to educate my mum who will comment that a person is beautiful and ‘that lovely coffee colour’ as her way of being polite. | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. What about Trump? And the teletubbies" And a worrying proportion of women under the age of 30 who are following a trend to seemingly wear as much orange makeup as possible. | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please
My first real experience with racism was when I was around 13. I lost it and knocked his teeth out. I don’t think I’m a hard man or anything but that probably played a big part in me not experiencing much more. Others who don’t react probably get it worse.
I have heard bits of racism towards Eastern Europeans and I call that out as well. Other than when I went to Cardiff I haven’t actually met any Welsh people.
I have heard first hand terrible racism from welsh people towards English people.
It’s not just the colour of one’s skin."But we are the same race. | |||
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please
My first real experience with racism was when I was around 13. I lost it and knocked his teeth out. I don’t think I’m a hard man or anything but that probably played a big part in me not experiencing much more. Others who don’t react probably get it worse.
I have heard bits of racism towards Eastern Europeans and I call that out as well. Other than when I went to Cardiff I haven’t actually met any Welsh people.
In the meantime, I’m still trying to educate my mum who will comment that a person is beautiful and ‘that lovely coffee colour’ as her way of being polite. "Some people do find stuff like that offensive but that doesn’t bother me. I don’t mind a slip up if someone is genuinely trying not to offend. Nobody is perfect, we all mess up but as long as people are trying that’s all that should matter
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"Can I ask if people who have experienced racism, do you think it’s improving? Is it a problem for your children? We live in an area which is not particularly diverse and although I haven’t ever seen any examples of racism, I’m more than aware it exists. My daughter (17) has a couple of close friends who are mixed race and they’ve openly discussed that it’s not been a problem for them so far. Let’s hope it continues that way for them, until they branch out into the big wide world perhaps I’m lucky. Geordies are genuinely accepting people so I haven’t experienced much racism. Any I have experienced has been in anger or from someone who is very d*unk. I know others that have experienced it a lot more though. I think it was getting better until people like Farage came about. Now I think it’s as bad as it has ever been in my adult life. Yes, that makes sense!! Same way as J has been called a big nosed wanker by d*unk troublemakers!! It’s the first thing they see that comes to mind if they’re throwing insults around!! That’s sad though, just hope new generations can change that. Only thing we do see more of is prejudice against the Slavic communities (locally I mean). Be kind to the Welsh though please
My first real experience with racism was when I was around 13. I lost it and knocked his teeth out. I don’t think I’m a hard man or anything but that probably played a big part in me not experiencing much more. Others who don’t react probably get it worse.
I have heard bits of racism towards Eastern Europeans and I call that out as well. Other than when I went to Cardiff I haven’t actually met any Welsh people.
I have heard first hand terrible racism from welsh people towards English people.
It’s not just the colour of one’s skin."You’re dead right! People are hateful - try living on the border, Welsh say English are worst for this & English say the opposite! | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal." We said same other day, it's just not normal is it lol | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though " There's always one So anyone who is offended by the N word is a white person being offended on behalf of black people? This has got to be a troll account?? | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo"
It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing? "Yeah they're pretty much both slurs towards black people | |||
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"The only person you can describe as being coloured without causing offence - David Dickinson off the TV. How the fuck has he ended up like that? And how does he maintain it? Quite unreal. What about Trump?" He's an Oompa Loompa | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are." Lol anything troll account?? | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though There's always one So anyone who is offended by the N word is a white person being offended on behalf of black people? This has got to be a troll account??" No, MrHotNotts said that. | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Lol anything troll account??" One thing fab has done is reminded me that I’m deluded by my social media echo chambers. And the idea of things being better is nothing but fallacy. | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though There's always one So anyone who is offended by the N word is a white person being offended on behalf of black people? This has got to be a troll account?? No, MrHotNotts said that. " I'm aware who said it I was asking if his account was a troll account | |||
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"How is there a way to use the "n" word that isn't offensive - if you're white? I can't see how there's ever an excuse for that and when my son came up with the "black people use it" trope he got told exactly how it was racist for a white person to use it. How can adults not get it?
They choose not to.
If they don't look they won't see, and therefore it doesn't exist.
Nifty trick. On the intellectual level of "mummy disappears when she plays peekaboo"
It's been a long time since I've lived in Australia but it's the same with "wog" (apologies) isn't it swing?
Yeah they're pretty much both slurs towards black people "I'm bemused as "W" is used about southern europeans at least in Australia. Not necessarily just black Italians for instance. Perhaps Aussies are indiscriminate racists.  | |||
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"It’s odd how the labels change coloured, to black to person of colour. There’s also BAME, BME which originally was BAEM but In March, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. Most of the black people I know , mostly Nigerians aren’t fussed, we even sometimes shock! call each other by the N word it’s seems some white people like to offended on their behalf though There's always one So anyone who is offended by the N word is a white person being offended on behalf of black people? This has got to be a troll account?? No, MrHotNotts said that. I'm aware who said it I was asking if his account was a troll account " Ah. No, haven't seen evidence of that. | |||
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"It’s the white people admitting to using the N word in this thread and one actually using the word too, for me. I’m triggered not gonna lie "I would bet any amounts of money he wouldn’t say it to your face though. It’s easy saying it behind a faceless account. | |||
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"One thing about this kind of threads I always end up blocking at least 5-6 accounts on the back of it I'm actually very close to stopping meeting white men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted racist people " How ironic that your gonna black list an entire race so you don’t accidentally meet a racist | |||
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"I think it’s real simple. Don’t be racist. Very few people are. Lol anything troll account??" What do you mean? | |||
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"One thing about this kind of threads I always end up blocking at least 5-6 accounts on the back of it I'm actually very close to stopping meeting white men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted racist people How ironic that your gonna black list an entire race so you don’t accidentally meet a racist " It's not irony at all This thread shows that it's a very real possibility and if I want to protect myself from being exposed to that I'm more than within my right to do so. | |||
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"One thing about this kind of threads I always end up blocking at least 5-6 accounts on the back of it I'm actually very close to stopping meeting white men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted racist people How ironic that your gonna black list an entire race so you don’t accidentally meet a racist It's not irony at all This thread shows that it's a very real possibility and if I want to protect myself from being exposed to that I'm more than within my right to do so." That’s irony to me. Isn’t that literally what racism is? | |||
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"One thing about this kind of threads I always end up blocking at least 5-6 accounts on the back of it I'm actually very close to stopping meeting white men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted racist people How ironic that your gonna black list an entire race so you don’t accidentally meet a racist It's not irony at all This thread shows that it's a very real possibility and if I want to protect myself from being exposed to that I'm more than within my right to do so." How does this thread show anything like you suggest? Huge irony. | |||
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"One thing about this kind of threads I always end up blocking at least 5-6 accounts on the back of it I'm actually very close to stopping meeting white men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted racist people How ironic that your gonna black list an entire race so you don’t accidentally meet a racist It's not irony at all This thread shows that it's a very real possibility and if I want to protect myself from being exposed to that I'm more than within my right to do so. That’s irony to me. Isn’t that literally what racism is? " I agree! Stopping meeting white men in case they are racist! | |||
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"I know where he lives if you'd like me to ask him? Always thought he'd just spent too many years restoring antiques and had become the colour of the lacquer. I don't know him as a person, but I've heard he is a very entitled and impatient man with incredible amount of self importance. " The colour of the lacquer ! | |||
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"I'm actually very close to stopping meeting black men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted criminal people So that’s not racism? Because statistically you’ll find higher rates of crime in Black communities But I have the right to protect myself? From them? I dunno if I’m understanding racism " looollll you're clearly not understanding There are higher rates of crime in black communities? Are you sure? Black people make up 3% of the UK population so not sure how you've come to the conclusion that they are commiting the most crime And I'm not sure why you're so offended by my statement when it has 0 affect on you. | |||
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"I heard a comedian say once only Caucasian are the only coloured people because, they go red in the sun, turn green when there sick, yellow when their ill, black, purple and blue when their hit.... does make some sense "Chalky White to Jim Davidson. This has proved to be a deadly serious topic, regarding cell deaths. | |||
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"One thing about this kind of threads I always end up blocking at least 5-6 accounts on the back of it I'm actually very close to stopping meeting white men altogether because God forbid I end up in bed with one of this closeted racist people How ironic that your gonna black list an entire race so you don’t accidentally meet a racist " Protecting yourself from/ preventing yourself being victim of racism I think is actually a reasonable stance to take. Not the same as tarnishing all with the same brush. Just taking steps to protect yourself? | |||
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c) in the face of multiple Black people and mixed race people talking of their experience with racism in this thread, it still ended up with the undermining of our experiences and someone even confidently using the N word in the thread.
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