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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Attempts to prevent all child exclusions by 2026. Will it work without funding the support all children need"
What about the real arsehole kids?
They exist. Some very nasty,violent ones that are a dnager to staff and other pupils. Much as it would be good if they didn't, surely for the protection of other children exclusion has to be maintained as an option?
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"Attempts to prevent all child exclusions by 2026. Will it work without funding the support all children need
What about the real arsehole kids?
They exist. Some very nasty,violent ones that are a dnager to staff and other pupils. Much as it would be good if they didn't, surely for the protection of other children exclusion has to be maintained as an option?
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Couldn't agree more.
There is no punishment for bad behaviour these days. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Attempts to prevent all child exclusions by 2026. Will it work without funding the support all children need
What about the real arsehole kids?
They exist. Some very nasty,violent ones that are a dnager to staff and other pupils. Much as it would be good if they didn't, surely for the protection of other children exclusion has to be maintained as an option?
A
Couldn't agree more.
There is no punishment for bad behaviour these days. "
Well if schools can't exclude kids then maybe we should look at a tried and tested method from the past.......
And ship the little fuckers off to Australia? 
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need"
No money tho sadly |
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"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need"
Local authority schools are still under local authority control. Only academies and church schools are outside LA control (to a greater or lesser extent - LA still has involvement in voluntary aided schools). And funding for all but academies is dictated by the state (based on school size, Pupil Premium numbers etc). |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
No money tho sadly"
One way tickets to Australia aren't that expensive though.
There was an article the other day saying they wanted young people to go and work there and the flights would only cost £10.
Packing off arsehole kids to the other side of the world could fill that labour shortage they obviously have in no time.
And they'd be pretty cheap labour too.
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
No money tho sadly"
They can Tom, good heads are expected to build a good leadership team who can solve problems like this. When I was chair of governors we chose to employ a nurse/runner to collect kids whose parents failed to send them to school and treat those nits, vitamin deficiencies, and generally be a mum to them. It’s a tough decision it meant a bit less maths and English but the area we were in it was the right decision , primary school is important that kids are looked after and results and exams aren’t important. If you don’t agree, send your kids to a different primary school that focuses on results not pastoral care, each school is different |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
Local authority schools are still under local authority control. Only academies and church schools are outside LA control (to a greater or lesser extent - LA still has involvement in voluntary aided schools). And funding for all but academies is dictated by the state (based on school size, Pupil Premium numbers etc). "
The LEA schools can actually the spend money on whatever they like , they are just incompetent lazy heads blaming the LEA |
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I feel for all kids who are impacted.
They're all having needs that aren't being met. Whether it's the "naughty" kid who's waiting for referral/home issues/learning difficulties or whatever else is corrupting their ability to behave as expected and actually needed, and the other children who's education is being corrupted by the "naughty" child.
It's a catch 22, negative behaved child doesn't feel like they're cared about because they get in trouble, and the other children don't feel like they're cared about because "naughty" child is getting all the attention from teacher whilst they sit there not understanding the question but can't get teachers attention for long enough to make a difference. Then they themselves get told off for not completing the work.
I remember my own child suffering from tummy ache amd throw ups brought on by anxiety due to one of the children in his class who caused all kinds of aggro, bullied at will with no apparent rhyme or reason to it. On days that child never attended school my son would come home happy with an air of weight lifted, on days he attended my lad was miserable and frustrated.
It's a shitty situation all round. |
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"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
Local authority schools are still under local authority control. Only academies and church schools are outside LA control (to a greater or lesser extent - LA still has involvement in voluntary aided schools). And funding for all but academies is dictated by the state (based on school size, Pupil Premium numbers etc).
The LEA schools can actually the spend money on whatever they like , they are just incompetent lazy heads blaming the LEA"
When I was a Chair of Governors, we did something similar to what you describe. We spent certain budget on a family support worker (it wasn't a nurse) and that person would physically go and fetch children who weren't turning up on time and various other things. But budget wise, as it was a very small school, things were TIGHT. Very tight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Universities are already doing a lot of work to make up for crappy schools, providing foundation courses, mental health services etc.
Instead of letting the problems of a few screw everyone's education, how about addressing the problem at its source? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Education needs a reform, It's outdated and does not fit the needs of children holistically let alone individually and lockdown will have severely impacted children's emotional health and wellbeing. I see it with my little ones I care for, they are struggling to form attachments, their speech and language has been impacted and we haven't been able to Safeguard effectively meaning children in need have fallen off the radar, that counts for all ages.
Lets change the way we teach our children instead of trying to mould them into a system that does not suit.
Let's quit the academic stuff, or rather let's not have it as such a focus. Instead confidence, resilience, social skills. You start with that as a foundation and the academic stuff will follow
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"Attempts to prevent all child exclusions by 2026. Will it work without funding the support all children need
What about the real arsehole kids?
They exist. Some very nasty,violent ones that are a dnager to staff and other pupils. Much as it would be good if they didn't, surely for the protection of other children exclusion has to be maintained as an option?
A
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yes your right perhaps the parents should take responsibility for their offspring |
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"Universities are already doing a lot of work to make up for crappy schools, providing foundation courses, mental health services etc.
Instead of letting the problems of a few screw everyone's education, how about addressing the problem at its source?"
Correct |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" yes your right perhaps the parents should take responsibility for their offspring "
It's not simply a case of neglect, a lot of the parents don't know any better, they never learned the emotional skills themselves, so there's little chance they can teach their kids.
In theory I would say that schools should focus more on emotional development, but I've met teachers, and wouldn't trust half of them to raise a pot plant without indoctrinating it with their own beliefs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,  |
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" In theory I would say that schools should focus more on emotional development, but I've met teachers, and wouldn't trust half of them to raise a pot plant without indoctrinating it with their own beliefs."
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough/ Kettering |
Another message to children that they can do what they want when they want with zero consequences. That's really going to help them when they get older !! Stupid bloody softy state we live in !  |
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" yes your right perhaps the parents should take responsibility for their offspring
It's not simply a case of neglect, a lot of the parents don't know any better, they never learned the emotional skills themselves, so there's little chance they can teach their kids.
In theory I would say that schools should focus more on emotional development, but I've met teachers, and wouldn't trust half of them to raise a pot plant without indoctrinating it with their own beliefs."
What a jaded view that can't possibly be substantiated with sound evidence.
I met a Catholic Zealot Butcher once so I know for a fact that all meat eaters are vicious conspiracists who mate with the meat before they kill it. |
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"Another message to children that they can do what they want when they want with zero consequences. That's really going to help them when they get older !! Stupid bloody softy state we live in ! "
We're talking about primary age children. That begins at age 4. Bloody 4yos, they should know what's what!! |
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect, "
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !  |
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"Neither the above did me any harm  "
I remember my ex using that saying all the while.
"It didn't do me any harm"
No dear, no harm at all. You're as toxic as they come, but I'm sure the behaviours you're displaying now, that you described receiving as a child did you no harm whatsoever.
I also remember my mum telling me her parenting did me no harm.
I grew up in fear and have fallen into abusive relationships. Nope, no harm at all. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
When Tom was at school it was easy to spot the lefty teachers. Mostly they were the ones wearing corduroy jackets and the most extreme leftists had those patches on the elbows. Most of them had never had a real job. |
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China ! "
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically. |
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over a year ago
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"Neither the above did me any harm
I remember my ex using that saying all the while.
"It didn't do me any harm"
No dear, no harm at all. You're as toxic as they come, but I'm sure the behaviours you're displaying now, that you described receiving as a child did you no harm whatsoever.
I also remember my mum telling me her parenting did me no harm.
I grew up in fear and have fallen into abusive relationships. Nope, no harm at all."
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"Education needs a reform, It's outdated and does not fit the needs of children holistically let alone individually and lockdown will have severely impacted children's emotional health and wellbeing. I see it with my little ones I care for, they are struggling to form attachments, their speech and language has been impacted and we haven't been able to Safeguard effectively meaning children in need have fallen off the radar, that counts for all ages.
Lets change the way we teach our children instead of trying to mould them into a system that does not suit.
Let's quit the academic stuff, or rather let's not have it as such a focus. Instead confidence, resilience, social skills. You start with that as a foundation and the academic stuff will follow
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I agree Dreavus. All the emotionally needy knobs can go to a different kind of school .... uhmmmmmmmm let's call it Secondary and it's Modern and the really badly behaved can go to Tech College or something ...... and the happy , smiley Tefal heads can go toooooooooooo ...... Oh let's call it Grammar .. or Eton or Cambridge....
There .....done.
The brain boxes rule the country and the needy knobs do manual work .....
How creative am I ...... ????? |
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically. "
You've been Shanghai'd ...... average Chinese peasant really brings the scores down..... |
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically.
You've been Shanghai'd ...... average Chinese peasant really brings the scores down..... "
Actually, that's one thing China are good at. Their rote education is as good in the cities as it is out in the sticks. I'll give them that. They're producing psychologically stressed young people throughout the country, fairly equally. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically. "
They will probably all end up as teachers. In my experience it's true that people who can.. they do...
People who can't do... They teach.. |
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically.
They will probably all end up as teachers. In my experience it's true that people who can.. they do...
People who can't do... They teach.."
You're slacking Tom. Please do not copy/paste from previous efforts.
Grade = F |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically.
They will probably all end up as teachers. In my experience it's true that people who can.. they do...
People who can't do... They teach..
You're slacking Tom. Please do not copy/paste from previous efforts.
Grade = F"
It's so true though..
And sometimes Tom has to repeat things for the slower ones .. |
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By *angzMan
over a year ago
Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle |
"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
Local authority schools are still under local authority control. Only academies and church schools are outside LA control (to a greater or lesser extent - LA still has involvement in voluntary aided schools). And funding for all but academies is dictated by the state (based on school size, Pupil Premium numbers etc).
The LEA schools can actually the spend money on whatever they like , they are just incompetent lazy heads blaming the LEA
When I was a Chair of Governors, we did something similar to what you describe. We spent certain budget on a family support worker (it wasn't a nurse) and that person would physically go and fetch children who weren't turning up on time and various other things. But budget wise, as it was a very small school, things were TIGHT. Very tight. "
Instead of pussyfooting around unfit parents, how about fining them for not sending their kids to school unless they had a valid reason? Would mean there's be less money for fags and drugs. Why should a tight budget face more pressure which would impact the learning of other children whose parents do send them to school. |
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"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
Local authority schools are still under local authority control. Only academies and church schools are outside LA control (to a greater or lesser extent - LA still has involvement in voluntary aided schools). And funding for all but academies is dictated by the state (based on school size, Pupil Premium numbers etc).
The LEA schools can actually the spend money on whatever they like , they are just incompetent lazy heads blaming the LEA
When I was a Chair of Governors, we did something similar to what you describe. We spent certain budget on a family support worker (it wasn't a nurse) and that person would physically go and fetch children who weren't turning up on time and various other things. But budget wise, as it was a very small school, things were TIGHT. Very tight.
Instead of pussyfooting around unfit parents, how about fining them for not sending their kids to school unless they had a valid reason? Would mean there's be less money for fags and drugs. Why should a tight budget face more pressure which would impact the learning of other children whose parents do send them to school."
The family support worker supported all families. The manner of that support might have varied from family to family. What's the point in fining people who have no money in the first place? |
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"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically.
They will probably all end up as teachers. In my experience it's true that people who can.. they do...
People who can't do... They teach..
You're slacking Tom. Please do not copy/paste from previous efforts.
Grade = F
It's so true though..
And sometimes Tom has to repeat things for the slower ones .. "
She's over generous with that F.
I'm awarding a U. |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
In the west. |
I work in education (FE) and yes there is a problem with discipline. Blaming the teachers or the education system is very easy, but I do think the education system is basically fucked, certainly in Scotland.
I work with students who have never had any boundaries within their family. Some of them are the 3rd generation who have never worked, that in itself creates problems.
As for corporal punishment, that should never come back. It is violence and that has no place in society. I was a regular attender at the front of the class to get the belt. All it did was give me sore hands for half an hour.
We need to engage students but that is easier said than done in today's every changing world. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"One thing that's sadly lacking from lots of schools these day is proper physical exertion!!
Proper PE, athletics, games, call it what you will.
Burn off all that pent up energy!
It would help it selling off school playing fields was banned. Get them out there burning off their energy.
Then there's discipline, it would help if there was a rigid school uniform policy, school uniform (basic) isn't expensive, a jumper, shirt/blouse, skirt/trousers, shoes all can be bought from supermarkets at a reasonable price.
Lessons like they use to home economics with uniform husbandry compulsory for both sex's.
Thats washing it, ironing it, polishing shoes, all lost to the lazy xbox kid.
The state can pay for those hard up.
So every level no matter sex, age or social position can be taught some discipline, self respect,
Oh helloooooooooooooooo Maoist China !
Modern China, actually. The average Chinese state school pupil who arrives in my classroom can reel off facts but haven't got a clue how to solve a problem synoptically.
They will probably all end up as teachers. In my experience it's true that people who can.. they do...
People who can't do... They teach..
You're slacking Tom. Please do not copy/paste from previous efforts.
Grade = F
It's so true though..
And sometimes Tom has to repeat things for the slower ones ..
She's over generous with that F.
I'm awarding a U. "
U for Unique
Thank you Granny |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Education needs a reform, It's outdated and does not fit the needs of children holistically let alone individually and lockdown will have severely impacted children's emotional health and wellbeing. I see it with my little ones I care for, they are struggling to form attachments, their speech and language has been impacted and we haven't been able to Safeguard effectively meaning children in need have fallen off the radar, that counts for all ages.
Lets change the way we teach our children instead of trying to mould them into a system that does not suit.
Let's quit the academic stuff, or rather let's not have it as such a focus. Instead confidence, resilience, social skills. You start with that as a foundation and the academic stuff will follow
I agree Dreavus. All the emotionally needy knobs can go to a different kind of school .... uhmmmmmmmm let's call it Secondary and it's Modern and the really badly behaved can go to Tech College or something ...... and the happy , smiley Tefal heads can go toooooooooooo ...... Oh let's call it Grammar .. or Eton or Cambridge....
There .....done.
The brain boxes rule the country and the needy knobs do manual work .....
How creative am I ...... ?????"
I'd disagree with the stereotypes you just displayed.
I went to a single sex state grammar school. There were kids from all backgrounds, sixth form was optional and whilst a high percentage went on to uni those that wanted to go into vocational study, apprenticeships or employment were equally supported.
Yes there was a comp down the road. There was also a girls high school over the road and a tech college half a mile away.
All served their purpose.
Not all kids are academic. But some are, so there needs to be a pathway for all.
I see bigger issues in higher education where people are encouraged to go to uni for the 'experience' and to study subjects that will leave them in huge debts whilst offering no advantage in the employment market.
Kids need to learn the basics - English, Maths, and a basic understanding of science. They need physical activity and while it needs to be diverse it also needs to teach them that life is competitive. They need life skills taught too, particularly things such as sex ed, money management and social media behaviour.
Tests should be to evidence and monitor learning not just testing for testing's sake.
There are things taught now that don't need to be. And things that need to be that aren't.
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"If they can’t school all primary age kids they aren’t being school. They don’t get to decide who comes in it’s a state not a private school, their job isn’t to deal with the community they are in. They aren’t restricted by LEA anymore they are allowed to think and recruit the staff they need
Local authority schools are still under local authority control. Only academies and church schools are outside LA control (to a greater or lesser extent - LA still has involvement in voluntary aided schools). And funding for all but academies is dictated by the state (based on school size, Pupil Premium numbers etc).
The LEA schools can actually the spend money on whatever they like , they are just incompetent lazy heads blaming the LEA
When I was a Chair of Governors, we did something similar to what you describe. We spent certain budget on a family support worker (it wasn't a nurse) and that person would physically go and fetch children who weren't turning up on time and various other things. But budget wise, as it was a very small school, things were TIGHT. Very tight.
Instead of pussyfooting around unfit parents, how about fining them for not sending their kids to school unless they had a valid reason? Would mean there's be less money for fags and drugs. Why should a tight budget face more pressure which would impact the learning of other children whose parents do send them to school.
The family support worker supported all families. The manner of that support might have varied from family to family. What's the point in fining people who have no money in the first place? "
And if the government hadn't shut all the Sure Start centres after spending gazillions on the process then there would of been support workers in place which would of improved outcomes for children |
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"Education needs a reform, It's outdated and does not fit the needs of children holistically let alone individually and lockdown will have severely impacted children's emotional health and wellbeing. I see it with my little ones I care for, they are struggling to form attachments, their speech and language has been impacted and we haven't been able to Safeguard effectively meaning children in need have fallen off the radar, that counts for all ages.
Lets change the way we teach our children instead of trying to mould them into a system that does not suit.
Let's quit the academic stuff, or rather let's not have it as such a focus. Instead confidence, resilience, social skills. You start with that as a foundation and the academic stuff will follow
I agree Dreavus. All the emotionally needy knobs can go to a different kind of school .... uhmmmmmmmm let's call it Secondary and it's Modern and the really badly behaved can go to Tech College or something ...... and the happy , smiley Tefal heads can go toooooooooooo ...... Oh let's call it Grammar .. or Eton or Cambridge....
There .....done.
The brain boxes rule the country and the needy knobs do manual work .....
How creative am I ...... ?????"
That is not what I am saying though. Education and the way we teach does need a reform |
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"When Tom was at school it was easy to spot the lefty teachers. Mostly they were the ones wearing corduroy jackets and the most extreme leftists had those patches on the elbows. Most of them had never had a real job. "
did the righty teachers have real jobs?
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"When Tom was at school it was easy to spot the lefty teachers. Mostly they were the ones wearing corduroy jackets and the most extreme leftists had those patches on the elbows. Most of them had never had a real job. did the righty teachers have real jobs? "
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"Education needs a reform, It's outdated and does not fit the needs of children holistically let alone individually and lockdown will have severely impacted children's emotional health and wellbeing. I see it with my little ones I care for, they are struggling to form attachments, their speech and language has been impacted and we haven't been able to Safeguard effectively meaning children in need have fallen off the radar, that counts for all ages.
Lets change the way we teach our children instead of trying to mould them into a system that does not suit.
Let's quit the academic stuff, or rather let's not have it as such a focus. Instead confidence, resilience, social skills. You start with that as a foundation and the academic stuff will follow
I agree Dreavus. All the emotionally needy knobs can go to a different kind of school .... uhmmmmmmmm let's call it Secondary and it's Modern and the really badly behaved can go to Tech College or something ...... and the happy , smiley Tefal heads can go toooooooooooo ...... Oh let's call it Grammar .. or Eton or Cambridge....
There .....done.
The brain boxes rule the country and the needy knobs do manual work .....
How creative am I ...... ?????
I'd disagree with the stereotypes you just displayed.
I went to a single sex state grammar school. There were kids from all backgrounds, sixth form was optional and whilst a high percentage went on to uni those that wanted to go into vocational study, apprenticeships or employment were equally supported.
Yes there was a comp down the road. There was also a girls high school over the road and a tech college half a mile away.
All served their purpose.
Not all kids are academic. But some are, so there needs to be a pathway for all.
I see bigger issues in higher education where people are encouraged to go to uni for the 'experience' and to study subjects that will leave them in huge debts whilst offering no advantage in the employment market.
Kids need to learn the basics - English, Maths, and a basic understanding of science. They need physical activity and while it needs to be diverse it also needs to teach them that life is competitive. They need life skills taught too, particularly things such as sex ed, money management and social media behaviour.
Tests should be to evidence and monitor learning not just testing for testing's sake.
There are things taught now that don't need to be. And things that need to be that aren't.
A"
I wasn't advocating them.
I'd be very interested to see how any new structure differs from the past and the present and whether it's a change in name only, as is very often the case.
What do you believe is taught that doesn't need to be ? |
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"When Tom was at school it was easy to spot the lefty teachers. Mostly they were the ones wearing corduroy jackets and the most extreme leftists had those patches on the elbows. Most of them had never had a real job. did the righty teachers have real jobs? "
There are no righty teachers, there was one but he got fired. |
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These so called 'bad kids' are not bad for no reason. They have a background which makes them have behavioural, emotional and trauma issues which can then project onto their time in school. I don't think excluding them from society is the answer, these kids need help not permanently putting them in the place that is most likely causing their problems in the first place. |
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"These so called 'bad kids' are not bad for no reason. They have a background which makes them have behavioural, emotional and trauma issues which can then project onto their time in school. I don't think excluding them from society is the answer, these kids need help not permanently putting them in the place that is most likely causing their problems in the first place. "
10 points to Gryffindor! Exactly right. |
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"These so called 'bad kids' are not bad for no reason. They have a background which makes them have behavioural, emotional and trauma issues which can then project onto their time in school. I don't think excluding them from society is the answer, these kids need help not permanently putting them in the place that is most likely causing their problems in the first place. "
And the current approach is on no way a self perpetuating cycle
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"Education needs a reform, It's outdated and does not fit the needs of children holistically let alone individually and lockdown will have severely impacted children's emotional health and wellbeing. I see it with my little ones I care for, they are struggling to form attachments, their speech and language has been impacted and we haven't been able to Safeguard effectively meaning children in need have fallen off the radar, that counts for all ages.
Lets change the way we teach our children instead of trying to mould them into a system that does not suit.
Let's quit the academic stuff, or rather let's not have it as such a focus. Instead confidence, resilience, social skills. You start with that as a foundation and the academic stuff will follow
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A lot of Sen children are in mainstream schools and are unable to manage. That's who are labeled -"bad/naughty children." Nurture them and their strengths, provide the right environment and staff and these so-called naughty children will flourish. Education system is so Draconian and outdated now. |
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"Attempts to prevent all child exclusions by 2026. Will it work without funding the support all children need
What about the real arsehole kids?
They exist. Some very nasty,violent ones that are a dnager to staff and other pupils. Much as it would be good if they didn't, surely for the protection of other children exclusion has to be maintained as an option?
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"A lot of Sen children are in mainstream schools and are unable to manage. That's who are labeled -"bad/naughty children." Nurture them and their strengths, provide the right environment and staff and these so-called naughty children will flourish. Education system is so Draconian and outdated now. "
The issue we are facing at the moment is more and more children are being diagnosed with a neurodiverse condition and they are being diagnosed at an earlier age than ever, whether these kids would of had a diagnosis without lockdown is hard to tell because there is nothing to measure against and harder to diagnose in Girls because they can mask it
It seems clinicians are keen to get the kids in the system and dish out diagnosis now.
I have to run two year checks on children and I've had a few parents say that they have been referred for a Autism assessment because they are showing traits. Well them and every other child I care for show traits, those are developmental norms....it's when they are still showing traits that should of disappeared by a certain age.
What makes me laugh is they are pumping so much focus on early years in assessing and diagnostics and we can put systems and plans in place great. They end up in a mainstream school anyway with people ill equipped to deal with them and no support available, or with limited support.
I live in Rural Shropshire and we have one School in the Borough who cater for SEN children, spaces are limited there.
Sorry for the essay there but essentially yes, more SEN are pushed into a system that can't cope with their needs |
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The government want a quick fix, early years is for ever being changed, guidance is always changing, our curriculum has changed, we offer lots of teaching methods in Early Years from Montessori, Reggio Emilia, Curiosity Approach and change our practice to suit individual needs which is brilliant!
But then our children we have loving nurtured end up in one size fits all system when they hit School, start the changes at the top, as with everything start at the top
However the changes are not always good changes, I have to go in next week and tell half my staff that their qualifications are not 'full and relevant' anymore. These are people with degrees and level 3s, they have to take on further training now to make that qualification count.
How can I tell someone who has studied for 4 years and with a £10,000 debt that they have to study again. And how can I tell someone with a level 3 qual that they are now a level 2....I might not be alive
And as for the proposed ratio changes to help with childcare costs is ridiculous. Just remember people that the government will sell you their 'amazing' idea to lowering your costs but for us it means babies aged 3 months to 2 in a 1 person to 5 babies ratio. 10 babies 2 staff.
2 year olds on a 1-8
3 year olds 1-13
It's not safe. Luckily my boss has said she will not be changing ours for love nor money. But there will be many Nurseries who will. So please if you have Nursery Children and either have them in or looking for Nursery then ask about qualifications and ratios please.
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"A lot of Sen children are in mainstream schools and are unable to manage. That's who are labeled -"bad/naughty children." Nurture them and their strengths, provide the right environment and staff and these so-called naughty children will flourish. Education system is so Draconian and outdated now.
The issue we are facing at the moment is more and more children are being diagnosed with a neurodiverse condition and they are being diagnosed at an earlier age than ever, whether these kids would of had a diagnosis without lockdown is hard to tell because there is nothing to measure against and harder to diagnose in Girls because they can mask it
It seems clinicians are keen to get the kids in the system and dish out diagnosis now.
I have to run two year checks on children and I've had a few parents say that they have been referred for a Autism assessment because they are showing traits. Well them and every other child I care for show traits, those are developmental norms....it's when they are still showing traits that should of disappeared by a certain age.
What makes me laugh is they are pumping so much focus on early years in assessing and diagnostics and we can put systems and plans in place great. They end up in a mainstream school anyway with people ill equipped to deal with them and no support available, or with limited support.
I live in Rural Shropshire and we have one School in the Borough who cater for SEN children, spaces are limited there.
Sorry for the essay there but essentially yes, more SEN are pushed into a system that can't cope with their needs "
You are right. More funding needs to go into SEN and they should be opening more special schools not closing them. |
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& teaching degrees etc to have a large element of SEN and how to support them. Lot of teachers in mainstream have no experience or understanding and base normal teaching on send children which doesn't work then blame the children.  |
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