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"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however." Rightly ? | |||
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"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ?" Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. | |||
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"Why don't we go a stage further. Anyone in reading this book should be cancelled " What's been cancelled exactly? | |||
"They are currently the on the reading plan for my son. Don't know how far I am into the Biff and Chip saga. They've got a magic key now. Jumped the shark in my opinion. " Their best adventures are after they get that key. I've read through those books with 2 children already - and can't wait for the third time around when the youngest starts school  | |||
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"No longer child's books .. Ffs" Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them?" The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger | |||
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"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger " Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022." The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? | |||
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"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ?" Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. | |||
"Tom, have a kit kat. It isn’t that deep. " It is to some...  | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought." Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-61249892.amp The actual story for anyone interested " Bloody hell, this was in 2001 as well! Even though it seemed to be edited in 2012, pulling the book was ultimately the right call. | |||
"Don't forget Kipper. It looks like it's only one book that's been withdrawn. " Should these evil books be burned ? | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat" Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news? | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news?" No...let's just censor these evil books and burn them and make the children watch... | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news? No...let's just censor these evil books and burn them and make the children watch..." Start a petition Tom. | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news? No...let's just censor these evil books and burn them and make the children watch... Start a petition Tom. " No need.. | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news? No...let's just censor these evil books and burn them and make the children watch... Start a petition Tom. No need.. " Let's have a book burning session...history always repeats.. | |||
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"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news? No...let's just censor these evil books and burn them and make the children watch... Start a petition Tom. No need.. Let's have a book burning session...history always repeats.." If you're getting at what I think you're getting, then that's really not on and the situations aren't even comparable  | |||
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"No longer child's books .. Ffs Have you seen the offending images? If so do you understand why people might be offended by them? The person who illustrated this is an evil bugger Islamophobia is not acceptable now and shouldn’t have been in 2001 when the book was published. I don’t agree with cancel culture as such but things like that shouldn’t still be published in 2022. The books just need updating...perhaps they should find northerners scary ? Or maybe they shouldn’t find anyone scary who is a bit different to them. Just a thought. Well we all know what thought did.. curiously it killed the cat Are you outing yourself as a xenophobic man Tom? Do you believe it’s right to teach children to think Muslims are scary? Should you be all over the news? No...let's just censor these evil books and burn them and make the children watch... Start a petition Tom. No need.. Let's have a book burning session...history always repeats.. If you're getting at what I think you're getting, then that's really not on and the situations aren't even comparable "It's not me condemning the books...it's the thought police | |||
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"Why don't we go a stage further. Anyone in reading this book should be cancelled What's been cancelled exactly?" The movie franchise. Cause the books look a bit shit. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. " I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this?" Not in May 2022 in modern Britain.. you have days to be reprogrammed | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this?" If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh." Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified  | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified "To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared! | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared! "I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous. The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous. If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us. Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh." Don't presume. Read what I wrote. Less errors that way. I googled hijab. So I know what they can look like. And a full one in black with just a tiny slit Cannot be described as friendly looking.thats all I am saying. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Don't presume. Read what I wrote. Less errors that way. I googled hijab. So I know what they can look like. And a full one in black with just a tiny slit Cannot be described as friendly looking.thats all I am saying." Do you want Muslims to draw a smiley face on it to keep you happy? | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads. "What a silly comparison that is. A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions. Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations. Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ? | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
"Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Don't presume. Read what I wrote. Less errors that way. I googled hijab. So I know what they can look like. And a full one in black with just a tiny slit Cannot be described as friendly looking.thats all I am saying." What you describe is not a hijab. But never mind. | |||
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"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison. "I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair. | |||
"What more children's books can we ban? Little Red Riding Hood..it demonises wolves " Would you be happy with say Welsh language books saying the English were monsters that decimated the Welsh culture? That you were the Boogeyman that drowned Welsh speaking communities so that the English could have water? That the English were the enemy? It's not about banning for no reason. It's about not playing to crappy stereotypes and clichés. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair."Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders) Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath. Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour) If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them. | |||
"What more children's books can we ban? Little Red Riding Hood..it demonises wolves Would you be happy with say Welsh language books saying the English were monsters that decimated the Welsh culture? That you were the Boogeyman that drowned Welsh speaking communities so that the English could have water? That the English were the enemy? It's not about banning for no reason. It's about not playing to crappy stereotypes and clichés. " But what you describe is a historical truth Frida. They banned Welsh being spoken in schools.. now what exactly is the field you work in x | |||
"What more children's books can we ban? Little Red Riding Hood..it demonises wolves " Nice to see you are in full on trolling mode…… So people might say you do it for shits and giggles and see what grief you can cause and pretend it’s all in the name of “news” | |||
"What more children's books can we ban? Little Red Riding Hood..it demonises wolves Nice to see you are in full on trolling mode…… So people might say you do it for shits and giggles and see what grief you can cause and pretend it’s all in the name of “news”" Silly x | |||
"What more children's books can we ban? Little Red Riding Hood..it demonises wolves Would you be happy with say Welsh language books saying the English were monsters that decimated the Welsh culture? That you were the Boogeyman that drowned Welsh speaking communities so that the English could have water? That the English were the enemy? It's not about banning for no reason. It's about not playing to crappy stereotypes and clichés. But what you describe is a historical truth Frida. They banned Welsh being spoken in schools.. now what exactly is the field you work in x" It maybe truth much the same as some Islamic people have been terrorists. That doesn't mean we should say that all English people and all Islamic people are the boogeyman or are scary. | |||
"What more children's books can we ban? Little Red Riding Hood..it demonises wolves Would you be happy with say Welsh language books saying the English were monsters that decimated the Welsh culture? That you were the Boogeyman that drowned Welsh speaking communities so that the English could have water? That the English were the enemy? It's not about banning for no reason. It's about not playing to crappy stereotypes and clichés. But what you describe is a historical truth Frida. They banned Welsh being spoken in schools.. now what exactly is the field you work in x It maybe truth much the same as some Islamic people have been terrorists. That doesn't mean we should say that all English people and all Islamic people are the boogeyman or are scary. " Very profound Frida.. now what field did you say you work in x | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads. "Just to help comprehend the comment. It was not intended to be taken seriously. It was a wind up. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
Just to help comprehend the comment.
It was not intended to be taken seriously. It was a wind up.
"The problem is, a lot of people say these things in reality. To people's faces. Many of our students are racially abused in the street and have all sorts of awful things said to them on public transport. Just imagine being an 18yo Middle Eastern young man, on a train to London, and someone in the carriage calls you a terrorist. Hilarious, isn't it? | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them."Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country? | |||
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"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?"I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn. We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well. Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?) | |||
"I am sure banning this book will help " Tom, if you can't see why it might help, you're not as clever as you think you are  | |||
"I am sure banning this book will help " Well it's been "withdrawn from sale, with all remaining copies pulped by the publisher, Oxford University Press, after complaints that it was Islamophobic." So end of problem no? | |||
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"It’s always funny when people moan about the ‘thought police’. It’s like they’ve never heard of something called morality. Or they have, and they don’t have any idea how it works." Some people have no morals  | |||
"It’s always funny when people moan about the ‘thought police’. It’s like they’ve never heard of something called morality. Or they have, and they don’t have any idea how it works. Some people have no morals "And even more have no thoughts! | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)"I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up. "It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any? | |||
"I am sure banning this book will help " The books have not been banned. The published has decided to stop printing/selling them. It is a virtue signal thing that will count for shit unless the BBC also stop reporting every bomb that goes off in a Baghdad market or imams start dictating that Islamic women should wear shell suits instead. Lefties who think that a sketch in a little book will make such a difference are deluded. And right wingers who complain about it are also wasting time as it is jot cancelling or any such other anti woke. It is just a publisher adapting to their market. It is a commercial decision more than anything else. Middle east was the bogey man of the age back then. No doubt Russia will take that mantle in books of the future. Then in 20 years we’ll have a convo about banning kids books with outdated Russian stereotypes in there. And celebrate 20 years of no bombs in market places too . Since scrapping a kids book will have changed the world! | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up. "What is your objection to niqab being worn? The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions. How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life? | |||
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"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any?"Of course I have reasons. Whether reasonable or not who knows. But for instance I don't mind my face being scanned on entrance to banks, supermarkets etc. But how do these security measures work with just eyes visible? I felt sorry for kids being banned from shopping centers due to wearing hoodies. And they still show faces ! But apparently rules are flexible for some. Is that me being unreasonable? | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any?
Of course I have reasons. Whether reasonable or not who knows. But for instance I don't mind my face being scanned on entrance to banks, supermarkets etc. But how do these security measures work with just eyes visible?
I felt sorry for kids being banned from shopping centers due to wearing hoodies. And they still show faces !
But apparently rules are flexible for some. Is that me being unreasonable?"Just imagine, a situation where covering one's face with a piece of cloth or polymer fibres was mandatory by law, including in banks, petrol stations and shopping centres. I couldn't possibly imagine such a set of circumstances  | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any?
Of course I have reasons. Whether reasonable or not who knows. But for instance I don't mind my face being scanned on entrance to banks, supermarkets etc. But how do these security measures work with just eyes visible?
I felt sorry for kids being banned from shopping centers due to wearing hoodies. And they still show faces !
But apparently rules are flexible for some. Is that me being unreasonable?"Yes, none of that seems reasonable as a reason to object to women wearing certain types of clothing. They do seem reasonable reasons for objecting to banning children wearing hoodies from shopping centres though. Have you thought about directing your objections in the right direction? | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any?
Of course I have reasons. Whether reasonable or not who knows. But for instance I don't mind my face being scanned on entrance to banks, supermarkets etc. But how do these security measures work with just eyes visible?
I felt sorry for kids being banned from shopping centers due to wearing hoodies. And they still show faces !
But apparently rules are flexible for some. Is that me being unreasonable?
Just imagine, a situation where covering one's face with a piece of cloth or polymer fibres was mandatory by law, including in banks, petrol stations and shopping centres. I couldn't possibly imagine such a set of circumstances "In the spirit of garment pedantry which seems to be a trend on those thread. The mandate has passed, was temporary for a specific scientifically back purpose and more importantly only covered nose and mouth. Not entire face or head for that matter. Don’t really give a fk what people wear. But if we’re being pedantic. Lets be pedantic about being pedantic. Insisting everyone wears the same is like insisting that light switches have to be in certain places on a wall. Goes against freedom of choice and acceptance of differences! Like Brexit. That ship has passed. No longer mandatory. So irrelevant really. About as relevant as the fashion for mini skirts in the 60s. Did that era influence the length of the body covering any more than the wearing or removal of (covid/medical) masks influenced religious face coverings? | |||
"I am sure banning this book will help Well it's been "withdrawn from sale, with all remaining copies pulped by the publisher, Oxford University Press, after complaints that it was Islamophobic." So end of problem no? " Excellent.. so which book or books is next ? | |||
"I am sure banning this book will help Well it's been "withdrawn from sale, with all remaining copies pulped by the publisher, Oxford University Press, after complaints that it was Islamophobic." So end of problem no? Excellent.. so which book or books is next ?" Whichever ones you like Tom. Probably be easier if you just give us a list now. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life? "The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural. I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any?
Of course I have reasons. Whether reasonable or not who knows. But for instance I don't mind my face being scanned on entrance to banks, supermarkets etc. But how do these security measures work with just eyes visible?
I felt sorry for kids being banned from shopping centers due to wearing hoodies. And they still show faces !
But apparently rules are flexible for some. Is that me being unreasonable?"If you think people wearing burqas and niqabs to commit crime is a major thing, then there's some contradiction there. Many people still eye those in burqas and niqabs with suspicion in public places even when people aren't guilty of doing anything other than going about their normal business, so it's hardly going to make them less conspicuous to those who think they're up to no good. They can also be asked to remove any face coverings in private areas if there's any suspicion of illegal activity. Also, hoodies have been worn by youths to deliberately evade police and to scare and intimidate people when teenagers hang in crowds. It won't be a source of real inconvenience to a 15 year old lad that he cannot wear his hood up. Women wear head dresses for religious reasons. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life?
The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural.
I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call."A more interesting question would be why you feel they owe you any opportunity for any interaction or connection, or any clue to their thoughts or feelings. | |||
"I am sure banning this book will help Well it's been "withdrawn from sale, with all remaining copies pulped by the publisher, Oxford University Press, after complaints that it was Islamophobic." So end of problem no? Excellent.. so which book or books is next ?" Some of the building regs books would be a good start! Dictating light switch and socket placement. What a fuckin’ liberty! | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life?
The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural.
I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call."Again, the "open face" ones are not niqabs. They are hijabs. How do you know before even starting a conversation as to what the interaction would be like? As someone who speaks to niqab wearing students fairly frequently (as well as those continuing to wear face masks 100% of the time), I can advise that there's no difference in the ability to converse. There's no difference in the ability of the student to learn either. It's just another garment. Body language is not just conveyed via the mouth and nose. Niqabs don't cement the arms to one's sides or stop other forms of non verbal communication. They actually don't make any difference to non verbal communication at all, in my experience (which extends over 10 years). | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
It’s certainly not unreasonable to have reasonable objections. Do you have any?
Of course I have reasons. Whether reasonable or not who knows. But for instance I don't mind my face being scanned on entrance to banks, supermarkets etc. But how do these security measures work with just eyes visible?
I felt sorry for kids being banned from shopping centers due to wearing hoodies. And they still show faces !
But apparently rules are flexible for some. Is that me being unreasonable?
Just imagine, a situation where covering one's face with a piece of cloth or polymer fibres was mandatory by law, including in banks, petrol stations and shopping centres. I couldn't possibly imagine such a set of circumstances "Petty comeback. I expected better. I'm surprised you didn't include crash hats on motorcycles. In the interest of public health a temporary measure was needed try harder please. | |||
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"I wonder how much these banned books like Biff will change hands for on the black market...sorry.. can we say black market anymore ?." A million pounds, Tom. Minimum. Paid for in cryptocurrency. Probably. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life?
The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural.
I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call.
Again, the "open face" ones are not niqabs. They are hijabs.
How do you know before even starting a conversation as to what the interaction would be like? As someone who speaks to niqab wearing students fairly frequently (as well as those continuing to wear face masks 100% of the time), I can advise that there's no difference in the ability to converse. There's no difference in the ability of the student to learn either.
It's just another garment.
Body language is not just conveyed via the mouth and nose. Niqabs don't cement the arms to one's sides or stop other forms of non verbal communication. They actually don't make any difference to non verbal communication at all, in my experience (which extends over 10 years). "You are 10? This is an adult site .. | |||
"I wonder how much these banned books like Biff will change hands for on the black market...sorry.. can we say black market anymore ?." Are racists typically withdrawn book collectors? They’d be the only ones with any interest in preserving them, after all. | |||
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"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life?
The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural.
I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call.
Again, the "open face" ones are not niqabs. They are hijabs.
How do you know before even starting a conversation as to what the interaction would be like? As someone who speaks to niqab wearing students fairly frequently (as well as those continuing to wear face masks 100% of the time), I can advise that there's no difference in the ability to converse. There's no difference in the ability of the student to learn either.
It's just another garment.
Body language is not just conveyed via the mouth and nose. Niqabs don't cement the arms to one's sides or stop other forms of non verbal communication. They actually don't make any difference to non verbal communication at all, in my experience (which extends over 10 years). "Then explain why other 'experts' are claiming that children are suffering due to masks being worn during lockdowns. And cannot pick up the hundreds of tiny facial movements in face to face interactions. If you had said that it was still possible to communicate well I could have possibly accepted that. But claiming there's no difference is crazy. | |||
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"The kids love the books but the adults have no tolerance.. The adults are the problem and not the kids " Yes, it’s strange how adults get to decide what children are exposed to, isn’t it? Almost like they are expected to be able to make better decisions, or something! Obviously this doesn’t apply to all adults, Tom. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life?
The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural.
I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call.
Again, the "open face" ones are not niqabs. They are hijabs.
How do you know before even starting a conversation as to what the interaction would be like? As someone who speaks to niqab wearing students fairly frequently (as well as those continuing to wear face masks 100% of the time), I can advise that there's no difference in the ability to converse. There's no difference in the ability of the student to learn either.
It's just another garment.
Body language is not just conveyed via the mouth and nose. Niqabs don't cement the arms to one's sides or stop other forms of non verbal communication. They actually don't make any difference to non verbal communication at all, in my experience (which extends over 10 years).
Then explain why other 'experts' are claiming that children are suffering due to masks being worn during lockdowns. And cannot pick up the hundreds of tiny facial movements in face to face interactions. If you had said that it was still possible to communicate well I could have possibly accepted that. But claiming there's no difference is crazy."All I can share is my experience. Our Middle Eastern students come from countries where wearing of niqab etc in public places is fairly common or even compulsory. That's been the case for a very long time. They seem to be able to acquire their language skills (often equally well in English as Arabic and maybe one other language). They achieve good education scores in their home country before coming to us at age 17/18 to 21 (ish). I can understand niqab wearers perfectly well. They can understand me. There's absolutely no difference in my interaction with those wearing niqab (or face masks all of the time) than with students who have no face covering on. Instead of insisting that conversation would difficult etc, perhaps go out and try communicating, rather than assuming. As for experts commenting on poor language skills in young children, the majority of that has been attributed to the lack of social interaction with other children, other family members and an over reliance on screens. Young children in lockdown at home were not confronted by mask wearing parents. Mask wearing in schools was highly politicised and used as a political football by everyone. I still teach partly in a mask. If I go close to my students to talk to them or help them, I wear a mask (company policy ongoing). Many students choose to wear masks all the time. We've coped absolutely fine. | |||
"They are. Our daughter brought one home today. Some titles have, rightly, been removed from circulation however. Rightly ? Yes. Putting in images of people in niqabs, burkhas and hijab and saying everyone looks scary/unfriendly (can't remember which it was) isn't a very good image to portray really. I'm not aware of the books or the images in them. But a Google search of hijab brings up images that do look pretty scary to be honest. Not the open faced ones of course. But the ones with a slit showing just the eyes are creepy. Am I allowed to think this? If you don't know what a hijab is, then you can't possibly fine it scary. It isn't hard to find out what a hijab is. Presumably, you find A&E doctors scary too? They are wearing face masks and visors/goggle so you can only see their eyes. Gosh. Everyone’s had masks on for 2 years. Poor bloke must have been terrified
To be fair the scene in the book depicts a market place. What are the comparative statistics on bombs in market places in the middle east vs UK a&E departments? And the kids have been teleported there by magic. No wonder they’re skit scared!
I don't want my daughter to associate people dressed in hijab, niqab, thobe etc with bombs. That's just ridiculous.
The IRA planted a bomb in Manchester in 1996. Should I also be teaching her to fear Irish people? Of course not, it's plainly ridiculous.
If people actually took the time to speak to people in traditional Middle Eastern/Islamic dress, you'd find they are people like the rest of us.
Nuns wear headcoverings very similar to hijab but no-one seems to get their knickers in a twist about them covering their heads.
What a silly comparison that is.
A nuns face is fully uncovered. You are aware of their facial expressions.
Massive amounts of information is passed on by the face in conversations.
Hardly possible if you only see a couple of eyes is it ?
Only the hair and neck are covered by a hijab, so I think it's a perfectly good comparison.
I've already said I have no problem if the face is visible. Google on my phone shows some fully covered. Maybe googles mistake. I see most of those kinds are burkas to be fair.
Hijab - headscarf that covers the hair (and often the neck and shoulders)
Niqab - a long hijab with added (can be separate or part of the garment) veil covering the nose, mouth and leaves the eyes visible. This is usually worn with an abaya
Abaya - a long, usually dark, over garment that covers other (often Western) clothes beneath.
Burkha - like a niqab but with a mesh covering the eye section. These are incredibly unusual in the UK
Thobe - traditional long garment worn by men in the Middle East (often white or light colour)
If you don't know what the garments are, you can't possibly comment on them.
Thanks for clearing that up. So , do you agree the type I apparently got mixed up with isn't suitable in this country?
I mostly certainly do NOT agree that there is any garment that is unsuitable in this country. All garments are fine to be worn.
We work with Middle Eastern and other international students. We manage to teach, advise, counsel and get to know students who wear niqab, hijab etc perfectly well.
Why is wearing a niqab or similar not suitable in this country (in your view?)
I don't think having objections to certain types of clothing is unreasonable. Try wearing some of the clothes worn in this country in the countries these clothes are mainly worn in. I imagine you'll be locked up.
What is your objection to niqab being worn?
The beauty of our democracy is we allow freedom of expression (and other things). We should be proud of that. We should not be saying "Country X prohibits ABC" and then apply reciprocal prohibitions.
How many niqab wearing women have you spoken to in your life?
The open faced ones many. I live in an area thats very multicultural.
I have never met anyone that wears the type that only show the eyes.and if I had. I certainly wouldn't feel I had made much of a connection. No body language visible , no facial clues to their real feelings. It would be no more interaction than a phone call.
Again, the "open face" ones are not niqabs. They are hijabs.
How do you know before even starting a conversation as to what the interaction would be like? As someone who speaks to niqab wearing students fairly frequently (as well as those continuing to wear face masks 100% of the time), I can advise that there's no difference in the ability to converse. There's no difference in the ability of the student to learn either.
It's just another garment.
Body language is not just conveyed via the mouth and nose. Niqabs don't cement the arms to one's sides or stop other forms of non verbal communication. They actually don't make any difference to non verbal communication at all, in my experience (which extends over 10 years).
Then explain why other 'experts' are claiming that children are suffering due to masks being worn during lockdowns. And cannot pick up the hundreds of tiny facial movements in face to face interactions. If you had said that it was still possible to communicate well I could have possibly accepted that. But claiming there's no difference is crazy.
All I can share is my experience. Our Middle Eastern students come from countries where wearing of niqab etc in public places is fairly common or even compulsory. That's been the case for a very long time. They seem to be able to acquire their language skills (often equally well in English as Arabic and maybe one other language). They achieve good education scores in their home country before coming to us at age 17/18 to 21 (ish). I can understand niqab wearers perfectly well. They can understand me. There's absolutely no difference in my interaction with those wearing niqab (or face masks all of the time) than with students who have no face covering on.
Instead of insisting that conversation would difficult etc, perhaps go out and try communicating, rather than assuming.
As for experts commenting on poor language skills in young children, the majority of that has been attributed to the lack of social interaction with other children, other family members and an over reliance on screens. Young children in lockdown at home were not confronted by mask wearing parents. Mask wearing in schools was highly politicised and used as a political football by everyone. I still teach partly in a mask. If I go close to my students to talk to them or help them, I wear a mask (company policy ongoing). Many students choose to wear masks all the time. We've coped absolutely fine. "You teach? | |||
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"So instead of withdrawing the one book that is objected to they ban the whole lot.." They haven't. Nothing has been banned, and the publishers themselves have decided to get rid of this single book from the series because they agreed it was inappropriate. | |||
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"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach" Wow! | |||
"So instead of withdrawing the one book that is objected to they ban the whole lot.. They haven't. Nothing has been banned, and the publishers themselves have decided to get rid of this single book from the series because they agreed it was inappropriate. " No. They yielded to the woke police | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs" Saw this today,world's gone mad! | |||
"So instead of withdrawing the one book that is objected to they ban the whole lot.. They haven't. Nothing has been banned, and the publishers themselves have decided to get rid of this single book from the series because they agreed it was inappropriate. No. They yielded to the woke police" Would you prefer things to never change, and be like it was in the 1800s? It's called progress Tom. | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Saw this today,world's gone mad! " It’s PC gone mad isn’t it Stu? | |||
"So instead of withdrawing the one book that is objected to they ban the whole lot.. They haven't. Nothing has been banned, and the publishers themselves have decided to get rid of this single book from the series because they agreed it was inappropriate. No. They yielded to the woke police Would you prefer things to never change, and be like it was in the 1800s? It's called progress Tom." No. It's called regression... | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach" Tom, doing in many cases is a LOT easier job than teaching. Having witnessed the work Mrs had to do for crap money when she taught - I have nothing but respect for teachers. It it is a very hard job! | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach" A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! | |||
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"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach" Play the ball not the man, Tom. | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach Play the ball not the man, Tom. " I like playing the man cheeky ?? | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation!" Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full... | |||
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"So instead of withdrawing the one book that is objected to they ban the whole lot.. They haven't. Nothing has been banned, and the publishers themselves have decided to get rid of this single book from the series because they agreed it was inappropriate. No. They yielded to the woke police Would you prefer things to never change, and be like it was in the 1800s? It's called progress Tom. No. It's called regression..." No Tom. It isn't. | |||
"No longer child's books .. Ffs Saw this today,world's gone mad! " Books are pulled from reading lists and replaced in schools all of the time. Up until about 8 years ago, To Kill a Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men and Catcher in the Rye were a staple of reading lists for GCSE lit students but Gove pulled many of the American texts from the syllabus wanting more English texts to be taught despite the mass appeal to students reading them. They still wouldn't be refused buying any of these or reading them in their own time. Books also fall in and out of print due to their popularity or value then get a resurgence of interest years later. | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full..." I am sure not even a gag would silence some people..  | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full... I am sure not even a gag would silence some people.. "You for instance? | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full... I am sure not even a gag would silence some people.. "One does not need to speak or make a noise to communicate, Tom. | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full... I am sure not even a gag would silence some people..
One does not need to speak or make a noise to communicate, Tom. "And well you know it. Some people have nothiy to say but say it often.. | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full..." Maybe , but can you say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Whilst wearing one ? If you can , please send a video of it to........... | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full... Maybe , but can you say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Whilst wearing one ? If you can , please send a video of it to........... " I'll need to brush up on my Welsh. It's a long time since I attended a village ysgol in rural North Wales. Anyhow, I'm more than likely too busy renewing my subscription to the Flat Earth Society | |||
"Those who can, do Those who can't, teach A bit harsh there . All I would say is I wonder if they indulge in sex whilst wearing oven gloves. After all. You probably still get the exact same sensation! Is wearing ball gag the same analogy? Because weirdly, we still manage to communicate without any issue when my mouth is full... I am sure not even a gag would silence some people..
You for instance? "What now? Let me tell you what now! | |||
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"Tom, sweetie, you’re going to LOVE Elon Musk’s twitter. A place to take your threads maybe?" Tom is not a Twitter man but if twelve honest citizens of this fab Shire decree it then maybe.. | |||
"I saw the page that supposedly offends.. it was bloomin scarey.. it's got nowt to do with the clothing. The facial expressions are the scarley part"
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-61249892.amp The actual story for anyone interested " Thank you. They should have kept it and updated the text again. Kids should be able to talk about things so they can understand different people/ lifestyles/ whatever. (My comment is related to the link. I don't know if the rest of the book was an issue too.) | |||
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"Tom has actually read the book and the earlier poster has a good point. It could have been rewritten. Perhaps Biff could have been in a street market in Liverpool and that would scare me.." Shell suits and hair curlers ahoy! How many lighters do you get for a pound these days? But then it would be encouraging people to smoke! Again not very PC these days. You can’t won Tom. You just can’t win. Just burn the fukin books and be done with it. | |||
