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"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago. Vid was posted on the net. Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser. They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up. Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head. Excessive force? This started out with plates not matching the cars description. " thats an execution miles passed excessive | |||
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"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago. Vid was posted on the net. Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser. They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up. Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head. Excessive force? This started out with plates not matching the cars description. " That’s beyond excessive force, that’s execution and quite frankly disturbing. 
Is why I’m glad our officers don’t have guns bar specialist units… | |||
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"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? " Black | |||
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"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? " I let you guess. | |||
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"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? " Guess. | |||
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"No excuse for shooting dead any citizen who is not a threat to the Police's life. And Suspects in that country should know a little better by now of consequences with police, no matter how trivial can be their last minute." I agree. How someone can get shot depending on their colour is so messed up. | |||
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"The officers bodycam was turned off before the fatal shot. A passer by filmed it all though. Good job there was a person filming it." That's incredibly unlucky that the bodycam was turned off. | |||
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"The officers bodycam was turned off before the fatal shot. A passer by filmed it all though. Good job there was a person filming it." I wonder what excuse the officer gave for bodycam being turned off how convenient
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"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago. Vid was posted on the net. Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser. They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up. Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head. Excessive force? This started out with plates not matching the cars description. That’s beyond excessive force, that’s execution and quite frankly disturbing.
Is why I’m glad our officers don’t have guns bar specialist units… "Our officers have a different mindset. The way our officers generally interract with people is different to how American cops do. In fairness we the public are unlikely to be armed, the same can't be said in the US. However...the way white police interract with black people is frightening. One story: a white murderer is talked down and arrested without police drawing weapons even after he had stabbed a policeman. A black man is stopped for expired tags, is face down and shot execution style in the back of the head...all captured on camera. | |||
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" Excessive force? " Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. " He was shot in the back of the head whilst the policeman was on top of him. | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. " Sadly, it's quite easy to judge. If a KNOWN murderer (white) who also stabs a policeman can be arrested without guns being drawn I think the police are able to conduct a traffic stop without killing the motorist execution style. | |||
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"It is hard to train as a police officer in the UK the background checks are extensive. In the USA if a local police department you can be given the job because you a good ol' boy with no checks! Even the city police you do a six week academy course that you pay for and bingo get a job!" That's disappointing for an incredibly difficult job. I know I couldn't handle the potential of being shot or stabbed on a daily basis  | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. " From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. He was shot in the back of the head whilst the policeman was on top of him. " Yes. What about all the other factors? Without access to all the information, necessary experience, and without the ivory tower luxury of remote 20/20 hindsight. It is impossible for any armchair 9 o'clock jury to make an accurate assessment. I certainly am not in possession of all those facts. So I cannot judge one way or the other. I can idly speculate, but there's been quite enough of that already, so I pass | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him " From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle? | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?" What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat. If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle? What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat. If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works " I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons. It is entirely possible that the force was excessive. It is also possible there were a number of officer and subject factors at play which influenced the decision to pull the trigger. Factors that none of us are yet aware of. Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why. This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre. Let the circus commence ... | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle? What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat. If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons. It is entirely possible that the force was excessive. It is also possible there were a number of officer and subject factors at play which influenced the decision to pull the trigger. Factors that none of us are yet aware of. Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why. This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre. Let the circus commence ..." I think the police officer was alone and didn’t wait for back up interesting that a post further up has alluded to his colour but that said American police haven’t a very good record when it comes to them killing/murdering black men | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone " An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle? What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat. If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons. It is entirely possible that the force was excessive. It is also possible there were a number of officer and subject factors at play which influenced the decision to pull the trigger. Factors that none of us are yet aware of. Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why. This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre. Let the circus commence ..." I imagine it’ll be a short case. From someone that’s seen the video, a face down, bullet to the back of the head, to an unarmed person posing no threat, it’s a pretty open and closed case. But I can appreciate you wanting to know everything before making a decision, but this video is very clear cut about what happened. Whether the office will get the sentence I think he deserves is the question. They often manage to wiggle out of it somehow | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. " He could have shot him in the knee or shoulder to disable him, if he was scared for his life. | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle? What happens before doesn’t matter. You can’t execute someone you have under control that is no longer a threat. If it had happened 30 seconds earlier then I’d be agreeing with you But it happened when the guy was face down, no threat. That’s an execution You can’t execute someone for what they did 30 seconds earlier. That’s not how the law works I know very well how the law works. I haven't seen the video, I don't watch that stuff for personal reasons. It is entirely possible that the force was excessive. It is also possible there were a number of officer and subject factors at play which influenced the decision to pull the trigger. Factors that none of us are yet aware of. Based on this incomplete information, some have already decided exactly what happened and why. This is a tragedy. It is also a cause celebre. Let the circus commence ... I imagine it’ll be a short case. From someone that’s seen the video, a face down, bullet to the back of the head, to an unarmed person posing no threat, it’s a pretty open and closed case. But I can appreciate you wanting to know everything before making a decision, but this video is very clear cut about what happened. Whether the office will get the sentence I think he deserves is the question. They often manage to wiggle out of it somehow" This is the rub. It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen. I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days. Someone died. Tragic. Needs to be fully investigated, of course. The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless. The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad. That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. He could have shot him in the knee or shoulder to disable him, if he was scared for his life. " Really? | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. He could have shot him in the knee or shoulder to disable him, if he was scared for his life. " That’s the fucked up thing…USA cops are trained to kill when ‘their life is in danger’ hence why they near empty the mag just to ‘subdue’ a suspect. | |||
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"This is the rub. It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen. I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days. Someone died. Tragic. Needs to be fully investigated, of course. The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless. The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad. That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy." Jennie, I think to suggest that the majority or a lot of outrage at Black people being murdered by the police is being used disingenuously to further a prejudiced opinion is completely unfair. Most of the outrage at Black people being murdered by the police has always come from Black communities that have genuine and invested interests in protecting Black lives. I think the majority of groups as well that pick up this issue will be genuinely working to tackle this issue. I don’t know but I didn’t like this comment and had to say so. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. " I've been in similar situations years ago. You are meant to subdue the suspect what bit of shooting him in the head would subdue. If you shoot someone in the body then there is a likely hood that eventually they will get better. With a head shot there is only one possible outcome and that's a dead guy. Even when fighting for my life I'd never go for a head shot never. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed " If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him" Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory " So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. " From the video I just watched now the police officer draws his weapon while on the back of the suspect, brings it towards the suspects head and pulls the trigger Whether the trigger pull was accidental or not Dunno why you’d draw your weapon to point it at the back of a suspects body. There was a struggle, but it would be very hard to justify his actions. Especially in the last moments when the suspect seemed to be resisting but offering little threat I imagine they will play this off as an accidental misfire and place the blame on bad use of a weapon, instead of murder | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. " What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. " Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. From the video I just watched now the police officer draws his weapon while on the back of the suspect, brings it towards the suspects head and pulls the trigger Whether the trigger pull was accidental or not Dunno why you’d draw your weapon to point it at the back of a suspects body. There was a struggle, but it would be very hard to justify his actions. Especially in the last moments when the suspect seemed to be resisting but offering little threat I imagine they will play this off as an accidental misfire and place the blame on bad use of a weapon, instead of murder " Thank you  | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer " Ding ding ding. Black on Black crime. People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race. 
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help." Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer Ding ding ding. Black on Black crime. People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.
But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police. "So what. Of course people are more likely to be killed by members of their own race | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed " Where has it been reported or shown he went for the gun? All reports and videos I've seen is of Lyoya grabbing the taser after the officer discharges it without making contact with Lyoya. There is no mention in the statement from the police chief that Lyoya attempted to grab the officers gun. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed Where has it been reported or shown he went for the gun? All reports and videos I've seen is of Lyoya grabbing the taser after the officer discharges it without making contact with Lyoya. There is no mention in the statement from the police chief that Lyoya attempted to grab the officers gun. " Exactly. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer " Bollocks to your second point. What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty? | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer " Suspect was not fighting the officer. He was trying to lift himself off the ground while the officer was ontop of him on his back. Head shot to the back of the skull. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop " So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least." Call for more police????????????????? | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least." Perhaps....perhaps! There's been too many body cams accidentally turned off when people get shot so people have learnt now to get their own footage. Perhaps they didn't think their loved one would get shot seeing as they were unarmed and posed no threat to life to the officer. I dunno, just spit balling here. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer Bollocks to your second point. What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty?" I didn't mention race until Steve did Don't fight and then try to grab a police officers weapons. It's really that simple | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer Bollocks to your second point. What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty? I didn't mention race until Steve did Don't fight and then try to grab a police officers weapons. It's really that simple" Of course it is  | |||
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" Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer Ding ding ding. Black on Black crime. People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.
But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police.
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Call for more police?????????????????" Yes...if the officer is struggling to arrest someone on his own either help in some way or let things play out with horrific consequences as on this occasion. Better to be arrested than shot in my opinion. | |||
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"Except this is not what happened at all. The guy tried to get his tazer and then his gun and it went off. Utterly disgraceful to smear the police in this way and make out he executed him. You should be ashamed If you see the video the guy was like a bucking bronco as the officer was trying to control him Yes I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and the OP's original post is utterly untrue and deliberately inflammatory So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered. Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer Bollocks to your second point. What has black on black crime got to do with someone in a position of authority killing someone who is innocent until proven guilty? I didn't mention race until Steve did Don't fight and then try to grab a police officers weapons. It's really that simple" All I said was that I don’t watch videos of Black people being murdered? Lmao don’t know why you then made the point you did which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said???? Are you quite alright? | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least." Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
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" Black people are far far more likely to be murdered by a member of their own community than they ever are by a police officer The gun went off in a struggle because the suspect was fighting the officer Ding ding ding. Black on Black crime. People of every race Are more likely to be murdered by people from their own race.
But it’s completely irrelevant when we’re talking about people being murdered by the police.
So what. Of course people are more likely to be killed by members of their own race you brought it up.""So the guy wasn’t shot in the head? I haven’t watched the video and these days mostly avoid videos of Black people being murdered." No, you brought it up | |||
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"From what I seen on the news the video shows 3 officers drawing their guns whilst the guy was close to his vehicle then a little chase guys tried to defend himself from being tasered guys been brought to the ground face down flat with the officer on his back guys tried to push with his arms from the ground and the officer shoots but why the gun and not use the taser suppose he'll say picked in error" You don't use tasers point blank. If they fail, there is insufficient reaction time. | |||
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"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago. Vid was posted on the net. Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser. They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up. Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head. Excessive force? This started out with plates not matching the cars description. " sounds reasonable force to me, the police have arrested you and your trying to get away.... if the guy just lay there and didn't resist then he wouldn't be dead. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
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"From what I seen on the news the video shows 3 officers drawing their guns whilst the guy was close to his vehicle then a little chase guys tried to defend himself from being tasered guys been brought to the ground face down flat with the officer on his back guys tried to push with his arms from the ground and the officer shoots but why the gun and not use the taser suppose he'll say picked in error You don't use tasers point blank. If they fail, there is insufficient reaction time." You don't use a gun either as it would definitely kill at point blank when a person is faced down | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
"No. They use it to provide another angle to what has happened. Their footage didn't 'accidentally' get turned off at the most crucial point, did it? I'm thinking a lot of privilege is showing in this thread. | |||
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"This is the rub. It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen. I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days. Someone died. Tragic. Needs to be fully investigated, of course. The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless. The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad. That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy. Jennie, I think to suggest that the majority or a lot of outrage at Black people being murdered by the police is being used disingenuously to further a prejudiced opinion is completely unfair. Most of the outrage at Black people being murdered by the police has always come from Black communities that have genuine and invested interests in protecting Black lives. I think the majority of groups as well that pick up this issue will be genuinely working to tackle this issue. I don’t know but I didn’t like this comment and had to say so. " I respect this, and respect you. The beauty of a well presented and rationally put point of view is a rarity. Thank you. My use if the word prejudice is merely in its dictionary meaning .... ie, pre-judged. I am very deliberately neither supporting nor condemning. It was an attempt to introduce the concept of holding off on conclusions till all the facts are known. Which I know makes for a boring forum! Your lived experience is different from mine which is different from anyone else. My lived experience will influence my interpretations as it will for us all. Some of us will have relevant experience, which make interpretations more potentially valid than others. This will depend on training, occupation, age, geography, culture and yes, sadly, race. I an sorry if my post caused any upset. It was not my intention, and I hope my explanation above may make be back up to a higher place in your estimations x | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least." In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!!" Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
Witness statements magically disappearing is one reason people get their phones out and record rather than help."But in that moment would they think to film it because of evidence going missing. Forensic evidence collected afterwards would show what happened surely | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
Witness statements magically disappearing is one reason people get their phones out and record rather than help.
But in that moment would they think to film it because of evidence going missing.
Forensic evidence collected afterwards would show what happened surely "See..... privilege! It is very naïve to think that evidence, particularly relating to police wrong doing, will ever be unbiased. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film." Help how? | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
Witness statements magically disappearing is one reason people get their phones out and record rather than help.
But in that moment would they think to film it because of evidence going missing.
Forensic evidence collected afterwards would show what happened surely
See..... privilege!
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how?" Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Call for more police????????????????? Yes...if the officer is struggling to arrest someone on his own either help in some way or let things play out with horrific consequences as on this occasion. Better to be arrested than shot in my opinion." I probably wouldn’t get involved. Perhaps fear of getting murdered myself. Also definitely wouldn’t call for the police in America because… well I think that’s obvious. And as for filming I think especially relating to these issues it’s important to provide footage as evidence of wrongdoing. It’s also I think done to attempt to provide accountability. The idea is being watched should mean self regulating bad behaviour- so to stop wrong doing on the officer’s part. Also body cam footage is always conveniently turned off or lost. Anyway I do think the racial dynamic in the context of America is also relevant when police and citizen are in an encounter. Going back to the getting involved to help an officer part, not to say the situations are the same but that just makes me think of Rashan Charles who died in that encounter. | |||
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"This is the rub. It is clear cut based on the single piece of evidence from the single viewpoint that any of us have seen. I am not defending or condemning any one here but trying, in a no doubt futile attempt, to head off the soundbite kneejerkism so prevalent these days. Someone died. Tragic. Needs to be fully investigated, of course. The death gets used by any interest group that cares to do so go further a prejudged opinion. Disrespectful, and meaningless. The prejudge, ill informed opinion gets believed as fact. Friction and division in society increases. Very Sad. That Friction and Division perpetuates the prejudged opinions. Hooray, the world now looks exactly how we judged it to be. Self fulfilling prophesy. Jennie, I think to suggest that the majority or a lot of outrage at Black people being murdered by the police is being used disingenuously to further a prejudiced opinion is completely unfair. Most of the outrage at Black people being murdered by the police has always come from Black communities that have genuine and invested interests in protecting Black lives. I think the majority of groups as well that pick up this issue will be genuinely working to tackle this issue. I don’t know but I didn’t like this comment and had to say so. I respect this, and respect you. The beauty of a well presented and rationally put point of view is a rarity. Thank you. My use if the word prejudice is merely in its dictionary meaning .... ie, pre-judged. I am very deliberately neither supporting nor condemning. It was an attempt to introduce the concept of holding off on conclusions till all the facts are known. Which I know makes for a boring forum! Your lived experience is different from mine which is different from anyone else. My lived experience will influence my interpretations as it will for us all. Some of us will have relevant experience, which make interpretations more potentially valid than others. This will depend on training, occupation, age, geography, culture and yes, sadly, race. I an sorry if my post caused any upset. It was not my intention, and I hope my explanation above may make be back up to a higher place in your estimations x " I appreciate you and this response. I perhaps misunderstood the prejudice bit. I did think you were suggesting it was done to further hatred towards the police which I disagree with. But I agree with our experiences impacting our perception and views on these matters. No we don’t know all the facts but I do also think (having not watched) that often being killed by the police is pretty unjustifiable. Anyway we’re all good  | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe." So you know there's a possibility of shots getting fired and would instinctively run to help knowing that you could possibly be in shooting range? | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
Witness statements magically disappearing is one reason people get their phones out and record rather than help.
But in that moment would they think to film it because of evidence going missing.
Forensic evidence collected afterwards would show what happened surely "Forensic evidence can be tampered with whether it be by police planting/removing or members of the public disturbing the crime scene. Recording the situation offers investigators the opportunity to see and hear elements of what happened. Forensic evidence has its limits. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. So you know there's a possibility of shots getting fired and would instinctively run to help knowing that you could possibly be in shooting range?" Yes 100% | |||
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"I don't think race is the issue and the outcome would of been the same regardless of colour, presumably the plates would of been run before the stop and the guys criminal record would of been known to the officer before the stop. The cop tried to use less lethal force first by using the taser, the taser missed and the victim managed to get the taser from the cop. If the cop was then tasered the victim could of got his gun. If he had complied he wouldn't be dead. " He didn't manage to get it. He out hands on it but at no time has it been reported that he was in possession. Many people don't comply and don't end up dead. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. So you know there's a possibility of shots getting fired and would instinctively run to help knowing that you could possibly be in shooting range? Yes 100%" Wow....not all heroes and all that
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. So you know there's a possibility of shots getting fired and would instinctively run to help knowing that you could possibly be in shooting range? Yes 100%" I wonder how the cops feel about vigilanty citizens trying to 'help'? | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. So you know there's a possibility of shots getting fired and would instinctively run to help knowing that you could possibly be in shooting range? Yes 100% Wow....not all heroes and all that
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe." But I believe was 3 officers at the scene but any officers could think with any public approach his/her life could be in danger | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. But I believe was 3 officers at the scene but any officers could think with any public approach his/her life could be in danger" He was on his own fighting the suspect who was trying to get his weapons. If it was anybody in that scenario no one would take the chance of being shot by there own weapon | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. In the time frame their isn't enough time for any further officers to attend the incident so filming would be the best option hence why officers use body warn camera evidence!! Thats why I think the best option is to try to help not film. Help how? Any way I can....help with holding the suspect down so he can be arrested rather than shot maybe. But I believe was 3 officers at the scene but any officers could think with any public approach his/her life could be in danger He was on his own fighting the suspect who was trying to get his weapons. If it was anybody in that scenario no one would take the chance of being shot by there own weapon " Spot on! | |||
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"I don't think race is the issue and the outcome would of been the same regardless of colour, presumably the plates would of been run before the stop and the guys criminal record would of been known to the officer before the stop. The cop tried to use less lethal force first by using the taser, the taser missed and the victim managed to get the taser from the cop. If the cop was then tasered the victim could of got his gun. If he had complied he wouldn't be dead. He didn't manage to get it. He out hands on it but at no time has it been reported that he was in possession. Many people don't comply and don't end up dead. " True the video only shows the guy waving his hands at the taser as a defence not in a grabbing motion | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
No. They use it to provide another angle to what has happened. Their footage didn't 'accidentally' get turned off at the most crucial point, did it?
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"I don't think race is the issue and the outcome would of been the same regardless of colour, presumably the plates would of been run before the stop and the guys criminal record would of been known to the officer before the stop. The cop tried to use less lethal force first by using the taser, the taser missed and the victim managed to get the taser from the cop. If the cop was then tasered the victim could of got his gun. If he had complied he wouldn't be dead. He didn't manage to get it. He out hands on it but at no time has it been reported that he was in possession. Many people don't comply and don't end up dead. True the video only shows the guy waving his hands at the taser as a defence not in a grabbing motion" That wasn't when he got shot. When the cop was on the floor on top of him he said "drop the taser" if you run the video in slow motion you will see his hand on it. He gave the warning, he didn't comply so he got shot. | |||
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"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago. Vid was posted on the net. Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser. They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up. Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head. Excessive force? This started out with plates not matching the cars description. sounds reasonable force to me, the police have arrested you and your trying to get away.... if the guy just lay there and didn't resist then he wouldn't be dead." Police are only to use lethal force if they or a member of the public are in immediate danger. An unarmed man, apparently resisting arrest, for a perceived traffic violation, with a policeman on top of him, is not placing the police or public in danger. Least we forget George Floyd who was killed long after he ceased to resist arrest. Blacks in America are 3 times more likely to be shot by police than whites. | |||
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" I think the police officer was alone An important point. And an example of someone starting to look at factors beyond the soundbites. What always bothers me in a situation like this is why is someone filming rather than trying to help. Because it’s a great way to get yourself arrested for getting in the way, or killed by a confused, scared cop So you film it instead....how about use the phone to call for more police at the very least. Yeah I never understand the mentality....Bad shit happening and people think to get their phones out to record it! Wtf? Are we really that desensitised to it
Like what the actual fuck were you planning on doing with that recording??? Post it to social media and clock up your likes or sell it to highest bidding media outlet, all disgusting
As for Police killing, the sooner guns are outlawed in America the sooner the better. Guns shouldn't be needed in a democratic society, America may be one of the richest countries in the World but it is also one of the most repressed.
No. They use it to provide another angle to what has happened. Their footage didn't 'accidentally' get turned off at the most crucial point, did it?
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"The officers bodycam was turned off before the fatal shot. A passer by filmed it all though. There's always someone filming someone or something.if the guy is/was innocent then what reason would he have to run, just let the copper do his duty. Obviously in the USA they have learnt nothing from the George floyed incident. Now this is going to affect all other countries because of a so called trigger happy copper who pulled over a guy who had different number plates to what should have been on the car. If the driver is totally innocent why couldn't he just explain as to why his plates didn't match his car. Good job there was a person filming it. That's incredibly unlucky that the bodycam was turned off. " | |||
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"I don't think race is the issue and the outcome would of been the same regardless of colour, presumably the plates would of been run before the stop and the guys criminal record would of been known to the officer before the stop. The cop tried to use less lethal force first by using the taser, the taser missed and the victim managed to get the taser from the cop. If the cop was then tasered the victim could of got his gun. If he had complied he wouldn't be dead. He didn't manage to get it. He out hands on it but at no time has it been reported that he was in possession. Many people don't comply and don't end up dead. True the video only shows the guy waving his hands at the taser as a defence not in a grabbing motion That wasn't when he got shot. When the cop was on the floor on top of him he said "drop the taser" if you run the video in slow motion you will see his hand on it. He gave the warning, he didn't comply so he got shot." His hand on it, which is what I said. Not in possession or control of it. Plus it had already been discharged seconds earlier. I don't know how taser work that well but I'd assume there's some sort of recharge time needed? Was there an instruction of 'stop or I'll shoot'? I didn't hear one on the videos I watched. No prior warning given? The officer was not in immediate danger from what I have seen. Of course he will argue his perception was different being in the situation but in my very humble opinion he used excessive force for the situation he was in. I'd also argue that if a BWC can be turned off do easily in a scuffle then it is not fit for purpose. Did he turn it off on purpose? | |||
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"There was another fatal police shooting a few weeks ago. Vid was posted on the net. Suspect ran from police then tried to get the officers taser. They were on the ground, the officer was lying on top of the suspects back as the suspect tried to lift himself up like a press up. Officer reached for his gun and shot the suspect in the back of the head. Excessive force? This started out with plates not matching the cars description. sounds reasonable force to me, the police have arrested you and your trying to get away.... if the guy just lay there and didn't resist then he wouldn't be dead. Police are only to use lethal force if they or a member of the public are in immediate danger. An unarmed man, apparently resisting arrest, for a perceived traffic violation, with a policeman on top of him, is not placing the police or public in danger. Least we forget George Floyd who was killed long after he ceased to resist arrest. Blacks in America are 3 times more likely to be shot by police than whites." Death from shooting by the police in the US is roughly 2 to 1...white to black. I don't have the stats for shooting but the deadly force stats are very clear. | |||
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"Also the video shows that the officer says stop tasers before shooting whilst on the guys back unaware where his hand is reaching for" This concept of mistaking a Taser for automatic pistol is not a reasonable defence. A taser weighs significantly less than an automatic. It is kept on a different side of the body, it is plastic and usually brightly coloured. The police are trained to know the difference automatically. "I thought it was a taser" is no defence in law. | |||
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"No excuse for shooting dead any citizen who is not a threat to the Police's life. And Suspects in that country should know a little better by now of consequences with police, no matter how trivial can be their last minute. I agree. How someone can get shot depending on their colour is so messed up." The same way people of a certain race, get attacked over here. | |||
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"Don't forget that law in order is different across the UK and in the USA.. The English are more Softly Softly and the Americans are a bit more hardcore.. Never compare apples with pineapples..." Cheers Tom. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. " Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. " yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. " Does the law say that or does it say you will only be shot of you are in a situation that puts the officer and public in direct risk of harm? | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. " Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. " Black people are shot by the police in America when they comply. It has been happening over there for longer than any of us on this site have been alive. a) generational trauma mixed with police forces across the country that are institutionally racist and corrupt equals distrust in the police from communities disproportionately affected by their racism and corruption. b) the idea of compliance or death suggests to me that the police are not actually an institution that the state employs to ‘serve and protect’ anyone but themselves. Especially when they are posing a threat to members of the community that they’re employed to ‘serve and protect’. There’s no defending murder to be honest. And the idea that people think that police officers are often justified in murdering citizens, especially Black citizens scares me but more than that it breaks my heart. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? " colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. " You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. " Does the law allow police to shoot people in the back of the head when unarmed and you're sat on their back then? Interesting. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. " Third police brutality in America is absolutely an issue for everyone but to ignore the racial dynamic to it is lazy and harmful. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. " no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation " Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. " So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation " The police officer gets tased.....a non lethal force, both still alive.....where's the issue there? | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? " if that's the countries law yes no argument just like some countries have laws that if get caught stealing you lose you hand that's the law excessive yes but there laws. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. " I think you are confusing the laws with hollywoods version of the laws. The law doesn't provide for using deadly force when there is no threat to life. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? if that's the countries law yes no argument just like some countries have laws that if get caught stealing you lose you hand that's the law excessive yes but there laws. " Can you confirm that it is in fact the law? Please. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation The police officer gets tased.....a non lethal force, both still alive.....where's the issue there? " but why grab it in the first place | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. " Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation The police officer gets tased.....a non lethal force, both still alive.....where's the issue there? but why grab it in the first place " Because he doesn't want to get tased? | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. " true, it is not our country, butvwe can still hold an opinion on it.  | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? if that's the countries law yes no argument just like some countries have laws that if get caught stealing you lose you hand that's the law excessive yes but there laws. Can you confirm that it is in fact the law? Please. " I don't need to as I don't live there I live in England and comply with our laws look it up yourself if you're that interested I'm just saying just another person breaking a countries laws simple as that. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. " Some interesting and relevant reading.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. true, it is not our country, butvwe can still hold an opinion on it. "I agree but it's just a opinion which counts for nothing in the country that this happened | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? if that's the countries law yes no argument just like some countries have laws that if get caught stealing you lose you hand that's the law excessive yes but there laws. Can you confirm that it is in fact the law? Please. " Wikis wording but the principles are close enough... "In the United States, the use of deadly force by sworn law enforcement officers is lawful when the officer reasonably believes the subject poses a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to themselves or others. The use of deadly force by law enforcement is also lawful when used to prevent the escape of a fleeing felon when the officer believes escape would pose a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to members of the public. " | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. Some interesting and relevant reading.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/" Black people twice as likely to be killed by the police is absolutely abhorrent. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. You absolutely can moan first of all. Second of all, what kind of law is that? One that people all over the country, particularly those disproportionately affected, have been campaigning, organising, protesting to change. no you can't until the law changes you might not like it but tough it's the law of the country am I glad we don't have it here most definitely but its not here so it's up to the people of the country to change it. So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? if that's the countries law yes no argument just like some countries have laws that if get caught stealing you lose you hand that's the law excessive yes but there laws. Can you confirm that it is in fact the law? Please. I don't need to as I don't live there I live in England and comply with our laws look it up yourself if you're that interested I'm just saying just another person breaking a countries laws simple as that. " You do when you claimed it as fact several times in this thread
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"So it’s the law that if you don’t do what an officer says he has the right to shoot to kill you? if that's the countries law yes no argument just like some countries have laws that if get caught stealing you lose you hand that's the law excessive yes but there laws. Can you confirm that it is in fact the law? Please. Wikis wording but the principles are close enough... "In the United States, the use of deadly force by sworn law enforcement officers is lawful when the officer reasonably believes the subject poses a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to themselves or others. The use of deadly force by law enforcement is also lawful when used to prevent the escape of a fleeing felon when the officer believes escape would pose a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to members of the public. "" This law, coupled with racism explains why Black people are disproportionately killed by the police over there. | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. " Can you acknowledge that colour does matter now that you've seen the statistics? It very much matters if you're a black person in the US having any dealings with the police. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. Some interesting and relevant reading.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/" thanks for the link. Only 6pc of deaths had unarmed victims. This case fits in the rare bucket. I always wonder if wealth/poverty plays a part here, and if that skews statistics. Poverty is also 2x that for black people. It's a complex web. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. Some interesting and relevant reading.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/thanks for the link. Only 6pc of deaths had unarmed victims. This case fits in the rare bucket. I always wonder if wealth/poverty plays a part here, and if that skews statistics. Poverty is also 2x that for black people. It's a complex web. " Class and race are invariably linked tbf | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. Some interesting and relevant reading.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/thanks for the link. Only 6pc of deaths had unarmed victims. This case fits in the rare bucket. I always wonder if wealth/poverty plays a part here, and if that skews statistics. Poverty is also 2x that for black people. It's a complex web. Class and race are invariably linked tbf" absolutely. But if being black means you are more likely to be poor, poverty means you are more likely to carry a weapon, and carrying a weapon means you are more likely to be shot, then you will see these stats even if the police are colour blind. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. Some interesting and relevant reading.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/thanks for the link. Only 6pc of deaths had unarmed victims. This case fits in the rare bucket. I always wonder if wealth/poverty plays a part here, and if that skews statistics. Poverty is also 2x that for black people. It's a complex web. Class and race are invariably linked tbf absolutely. But if being black means you are more likely to be poor, poverty means you are more likely to carry a weapon, and carrying a weapon means you are more likely to be shot, then you will see these stats even if the police are colour blind. " Why does poverty mean you're more likely to be carrying a weapon? | |||
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"I havnt seen the video and i dont want to, however when i lived in america, i was told by everyone, so comon knowlage, if you get pulled by the police, you sit still both hands on the steering wheel in plain view until told otherwise or they may shoot you. if i as a person basicly visiting the country knew this then so would everyone. the american police are triger happy, so dont give them a reason." This I'd also relevant and may be of interest...see the comments about training to shoot until there is no longer a threat. About 35% of shots hit the target. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/26/us/why-police-shoot-so-many-rounds-trnd/index.html | |||
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"I havnt seen the video and i dont want to, however when i lived in america, i was told by everyone, so comon knowlage, if you get pulled by the police, you sit still both hands on the steering wheel in plain view until told otherwise or they may shoot you. if i as a person basicly visiting the country knew this then so would everyone. the american police are triger happy, so dont give them a reason." FFS. What reason did George Floyd give them? | |||
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"Not really are problem that's for Americans to decide but for me yes a bit excessive but you run from a officer expect to get shot simple really.you can argue about should he have been shot just as much as arguing that he shouldn't have run off. Why should you expect to get shot if you're unarmed and running away from contact..? It's not a Steven seagal film it's real life. yep real life so look after it. if the law in the country says if a officer asks you to stop or you could be shot what do you expect to happen yes it's excessive but it's not are country. Do you think that a black suspect being shot in the back of the head while being arrested is going to encourage more black suspects to submit to arrest or encourage them to get themselves away from the threat? colour doesn't matter black white pink if asked to stop and you don't and the laws allow you to shoot then don't go moaning when they do. Can you acknowledge that colour does matter now that you've seen the statistics? It very much matters if you're a black person in the US having any dealings with the police. " no colour doesn't matter it might be that white or pink or yellow follow the law more than black stats mean more have but doesn't say its because there black I read it there more likely to no abide by the law. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. " The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. " Firstly these statistics confirm that Black people are killed at a higher rate and disproportionately considering they make up about just under 20 per cent of the US population. So they’re MORE LIKELY to be killed by the police. That IS a race issue. No matter whether we use your stats or the stats from the Washington post, it doesn’t support any claim that race has nothing to do with the issue. It’s kind of insulting as well to make out that Black people in America are imagining this racism.  | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. Firstly these statistics confirm that Black people are killed at a higher rate and disproportionately considering they make up about just under 20 per cent of the US population. So they’re MORE LIKELY to be killed by the police. That IS a race issue. No matter whether we use your stats or the stats from the Washington post, it doesn’t support any claim that race has nothing to do with the issue. It’s kind of insulting as well to make out that Black people in America are imagining this racism. "maybe more black people in America are giving police just reason to shoot them by committing crime, which probably all boils down to poverty which effects black Americans more than white Americans so if you fix the poverty and stop so many black people turning to crime there won't be so many been shot, no body forces anyone no matter what colour there skin to commit crime that's there choice for what ever reason, but if you get arrested just give up and be arrested if you struggle and resist arrest then you may get shot. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. " It DOES show a race issue. 32% of deaths were black people who make up onlt 12% of the population | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. Firstly these statistics confirm that Black people are killed at a higher rate and disproportionately considering they make up about just under 20 per cent of the US population. So they’re MORE LIKELY to be killed by the police. That IS a race issue. No matter whether we use your stats or the stats from the Washington post, it doesn’t support any claim that race has nothing to do with the issue. It’s kind of insulting as well to make out that Black people in America are imagining this racism. maybe more black people in America are giving police just reason to shoot them by committing crime, which probably all boils down to poverty which effects black Americans more than white Americans so if you fix the poverty and stop so many black people turning to crime there won't be so many been shot, no body forces anyone no matter what colour there skin to commit crime that's there choice for what ever reason, but if you get arrested just give up and be arrested if you struggle and resist arrest then you may get shot. "The more one struggles the worse it gets , no way will they just let a criminal pick him/ her self up and get a free taxi home  | |||
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" Excessive force? Possibly not. What was the skill/training/strength of the suspect? What was their previous record? Were they armed? Why did they run? What were the circumstances behind the original offence? Impossible to say without that information, to impossible to judge. From the video I saw he was executed face down in the dirty with the cop sat on him From what you saw. What was happening before the 'what you saw'. What would you see if you could view the acen from a different angle?" Jesus christ are you in the polices payroll or something? | |||
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"What colour was the person they shot in the back of the head at close range? Black" Shocker. | |||
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"This has been an AMAZING filter thread btw But it is nice to know that there are white people out there who do understand that racism is a thing and try and act like were making stuff up when we talking about it, even if there are very very few of them on thread. " Suppose it was quite racist of the officer for chasing a criminal when he tried to run away and then shooting him as the criminal tried to grab his taser and resist arrest, yep seems very racist or just don't resist and don't run away from the police it's quite simple #dontwriggle | |||
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"This has been an AMAZING filter thread btw But it is nice to know that there are white people out there who do understand that racism is a thing and try and act like were making stuff up when we talking about it, even if there are very very few of them on thread. Suppose it was quite racist of the officer for chasing a criminal when he tried to run away and then shooting him as the criminal tried to grab his taser and resist arrest, yep seems very racist or just don't resist and don't run away from the police it's quite simple #dontwriggle "Yes it’s not rocket science is it | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. It DOES show a race issue. 32% of deaths were black people who make up onlt 12% of the population " I was replying to the the poster who said more black people are killed by the police. In absolute numbers they aren't. Hopefully we can all agree that shooting and killing someone, regardless of their colour is something that should be avoided. By making it a race issue people can get distracted from finding issues and creating positive solutions. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. It DOES show a race issue. 32% of deaths were black people who make up onlt 12% of the population " Quite correct, it is definitely a race issue. Statistics show repeatedly that the 12% of the population who are black commit more than 50% of murders/manslaughters across the board, probably due to poverty. | |||
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"This has been an AMAZING filter thread btw But it is nice to know that there are white people out there who do understand that racism is a thing and try and act like were making stuff up when we talking about it, even if there are very very few of them on thread. Suppose it was quite racist of the officer for chasing a criminal when he tried to run away and then shooting him as the criminal tried to grab his taser and resist arrest, yep seems very racist or just don't resist and don't run away from the police it's quite simple #dontwriggle "All we know about him was his plates didn't match the car and he tried to run and grabbed at the taser as the officer tried (and failed) to deploy it. That does not warrant a bullet in the back of your head no matter how you try to flip it. | |||
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"This has been an AMAZING filter thread btw But it is nice to know that there are white people out there who do understand that racism is a thing and try and act like were making stuff up when we talking about it, even if there are very very few of them on thread. Suppose it was quite racist of the officer for chasing a criminal when he tried to run away and then shooting him as the criminal tried to grab his taser and resist arrest, yep seems very racist or just don't resist and don't run away from the police it's quite simple #dontwriggle
All we know about him was his plates didn't match the car and he tried to run and grabbed at the taser as the officer tried (and failed) to deploy it. That does not warrant a bullet in the back of your head no matter how you try to flip it. "Of course it does! He was black and a criminal so absolutly deserved a bullet to the back of the head! | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. Firstly these statistics confirm that Black people are killed at a higher rate and disproportionately considering they make up about just under 20 per cent of the US population. So they’re MORE LIKELY to be killed by the police. That IS a race issue. No matter whether we use your stats or the stats from the Washington post, it doesn’t support any claim that race has nothing to do with the issue. It’s kind of insulting as well to make out that Black people in America are imagining this racism. "I despair sometimes. I can't imagine how you feel reading this thread. | |||
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"The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. Firstly these statistics confirm that Black people are killed at a higher rate and disproportionately considering they make up about just under 20 per cent of the US population. So they’re MORE LIKELY to be killed by the police. That IS a race issue. No matter whether we use your stats or the stats from the Washington post, it doesn’t support any claim that race has nothing to do with the issue. It’s kind of insulting as well to make out that Black people in America are imagining this racism. maybe more black people in America are giving police just reason to shoot them by committing crime, which probably all boils down to poverty which effects black Americans more than white Americans so if you fix the poverty and stop so many black people turning to crime there won't be so many been shot, no body forces anyone no matter what colour there skin to commit crime that's there choice for what ever reason, but if you get arrested just give up and be arrested if you struggle and resist arrest then you may get shot. "There’s a lot to unpack here but I mean, let’s talk about unjust arrests, which you should have a right to resist as a citizen. Or arrests with unjustifiable force, which resistance to is often instinctive and attempt at survival. Videos of people saying ‘I can’t breathe’ whilst struggling or ‘wriggling’ is not resistance to an arrest it’s to unnecessary force. Your concept on fixing poverty and then fixing racism is nice and all but racism transcends class even though they are invariably linked. Shocker- racism exists amongst people of the same class. The viewpoint of officers towards Black people that criminalises us is why Tamir Rice was shot playing with a toy gun. It’s why Black children are stopped and searched in this country but a witnessed a white man pull out a 5 inch knife from a leather pouch in his bag whilst sat in a pub and laugh about it with the bartender but Black people have been told that carrying an Afro comb is a weapon. I’m trying not to get too emotional in this response so that you don’t use that as an excuse to dismiss my points and I’m struggling so I’m gonna stop it here. | |||
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"The reason for stopping is irrelevant. Consider the fact that if the other person had grabbed hold of the taser what might the outcome have been? I don't think anyone should judge without actually being in that situation Trigger happy people shouldn’t be police officers. Neither should people that can’t distinguish between a taser and a gun. It’s not unreasonable to expect someone in that position, who has had training, to be able to successfully deescalate a situation without killing a person. Yes. Absolutely this. And colour clearly does matter - you only have to look for a couple of minutes online to find the stats proving that more black people are killed by police. The stats are on Statista (can't post the link on here)...last year shot to death by the Police in the US... 234 white 139 black 66 hispanic Previous years back to 2017 show very similar ratios. Could be a training issue but this doesn't show a racial issue. It DOES show a race issue. 32% of deaths were black people who make up onlt 12% of the population I was replying to the the poster who said more black people are killed by the police. In absolute numbers they aren't. Hopefully we can all agree that shooting and killing someone, regardless of their colour is something that should be avoided. By making it a race issue people can get distracted from finding issues and creating positive solutions. " Again, it is a race issue. Killed more or more likely to be killed - you knew what was meant surely? It’s quite clearly a race issue and colourblind approaches are more damaging than you probably realise. | |||
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