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"I’ve just helped a colleague remove the male/female signs from the toilets at work. It meant a lot to her and was a lovely thing!! Also, I now don’t have to wait until everyone else goes home before I can have a shit in the nice toilet and use all the lovely hand creams in there. Tuesdays are usually a bit pants but not today! "  stop stealing the lovely hand creams | |||
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"I’ve just helped a colleague remove the male/female signs from the toilets at work. It meant a lot to her and was a lovely thing!! Also, I now don’t have to wait until everyone else goes home before I can have a shit in the nice toilet and use all the lovely hand creams in there. Tuesdays are usually a bit pants but not today! " It's the small things  | |||
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 at least you could sneakily have that poo in luxury before! | |||
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"Both loos will be grotty now though. You didn’t think that through at least you could sneakily have that poo in luxury before! "Nothing lasts forever I guess. | |||
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"I’ve just helped a colleague remove the male/female signs from the toilets at work. It meant a lot to her and was a lovely thing!! Also, I now don’t have to wait until everyone else goes home before I can have a shit in the nice toilet and use all the lovely hand creams in there. Tuesdays are usually a bit pants but not today! stop stealing the lovely hand creams "It’s not stealing anymore!!! I feel like a pirate who has received a pardon!! | |||
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"So everyone will be shitting up the previously women's toilets. " Let’s just say there’s a reason for all the smellies in there. | |||
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"Women poop too. " Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky? | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter" I can’t say I’ve never used chilli and chocolate spread as special effects before. I managed to offend an almost unoffendable work mate too. You have to have your fun don’t ya. I’m the office cunt | |||
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"So everyone will be shitting up the previously women's toilets. Let’s just say there’s a reason for all the smellies in there. " 
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky? "Interesting philosophical point raised here. Is it still news if Tom doesn't post it?  | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter" Hose. Fecal splatter. | |||
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"Why was it loverly to her does she enjoy vandalising signs be no good at my firm mens don't have doors on but fun to see the ladies in there. " Until you realise it was her that dropped the nostril stinging stench filled cable. | |||
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 . There's never enough toilets for women, so I have used men's when I needed to. Plus baby changing stations are frequently only in women's toilets which is bloody ridiculous. I know my husband got dirty looks off women when he had to go into ladies toilets to change one of our kids. | |||
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"Respect for communal resources and skincare: now also accessible to people presenting as male."  indeed...
Having worked in various bars, I can say that though work toilets may be nicer for women, at the end of the night I'd take cleaning the men's over the women's any day | |||
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"And it's a yay from me for gender neutral toilets . There's never enough toilets for women, so I have used men's when I needed to. Plus baby changing stations are frequently only in women's toilets which is bloody ridiculous. I know my husband got dirty looks off women when he had to go into ladies toilets to change one of our kids. "--People always end up in each others toilets. The will bring about a decrease in urinals too, which is great for me and a lot of blokes. | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? " woman can stand and pee as well | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well " I can’t! | |||
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"Does that mean all toilets will now have that weird smell men’s have always had. "Yes and piss all over the seats | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well I can’t!" Because you’re a lady. | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well " I can't even begin to imagine 3 blokes and a couple of women standing in a row at the urinals having a wee. Bit also I am sure can cause issues in bars/clubs with d*unk a disorderly punters. I am not saying it's a bad thing but I have a practical mind so I was just wondering. Perhaps I am overthinking it | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well " *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet) | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well " Please tell me how I’ve never been able to | |||
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"Respect for communal resources and skincare: now also accessible to people presenting as male. indeed...
Having worked in various bars, I can say that though work toilets may be nicer for women, at the end of the night I'd take cleaning the men's over the women's any day "One of the universities I attended - I can't speak to the men's toilets, but the women's were a health hazard. The toilet hole is not small, people, and it's also nowhere near any of those puddles | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well I can't even begin to imagine 3 blokes and a couple of women standing in a row at the urinals having a wee. Bit also I am sure can cause issues in bars/clubs with d*unk a disorderly punters. I am not saying it's a bad thing but I have a practical mind so I was just wondering. Perhaps I am overthinking it "How the hell does a woman stand and pee at a urinal? Or am I different to everyone else? Absolutely no way I could. It would be all down my leg! | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet)" There's a contraption you can buy - but mostly it's just squatting. Have done in the arse end of nowhere, don't fancy it otherwise. | |||
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"I’ve just helped a colleague remove the male/female signs from the toilets at work. It meant a lot to her and was a lovely thing!! Also, I now don’t have to wait until everyone else goes home before I can have a shit in the nice toilet and use all the lovely hand creams in there. Tuesdays are usually a bit pants but not today! It's the small things "Have you seen me? | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet) There's a contraption you can buy - but mostly it's just squatting. Have done in the arse end of nowhere, don't fancy it otherwise." A SheWee!!! I have one - not as easy as it looks!!! | |||
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"I’ve just helped a colleague remove the male/female signs from the toilets at work. It meant a lot to her and was a lovely thing!! Also, I now don’t have to wait until everyone else goes home before I can have a shit in the nice toilet and use all the lovely hand creams in there Tuesdays are usually a bit pants but not today! " Why did it mean a lot to her? | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet) There's a contraption you can buy - but mostly it's just squatting. Have done in the arse end of nowhere, don't fancy it otherwise. A SheWee!!! I have one - not as easy as it looks!!! " How does a woman carry one around? Just dangle it from her handbag, dripping with piss? | |||
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"Does that mean all toilets will now have that weird smell men’s have always had. "How do you know haha | |||
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"Does that mean all toilets will now have that weird smell men’s have always had.
How do you know haha "I go in them at concerts etc. Never any queues | |||
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"Does that mean all toilets will now have that weird smell men’s have always had.
How do you know haha
I go in them at concerts etc. Never any queues "I believe you | |||
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"You can tell who does and does not have to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of office toilets. In my building, the women's toilets are generally just as bad, if not worse than men's at times. Often you will find it's a case of a single individual that shits it up (pun intended). The difference usually comes down to it being the women that also put in the call for any mess be cleaned or fixed promptly, while the men are more oblivious to reporting things so it appears that the men's toilets are worse... The calls I've had down for my cleaning team to deal with 99% of the time are for women's and they are not a pretty sight! And that's multiple times a day. " On site the womens toilets are perfect, basically untouched The mens though. Eastern European guys have very weird ways of shitting | |||
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"You can tell who does and does not have to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of office toilets. In my building, the women's toilets are generally just as bad, if not worse than men's at times. Often you will find it's a case of a single individual that shits it up (pun intended). The difference usually comes down to it being the women that also put in the call for any mess be cleaned or fixed promptly, while the men are more oblivious to reporting things so it appears that the men's toilets are worse... The calls I've had down for my cleaning team to deal with 99% of the time are for women's and they are not a pretty sight! And that's multiple times a day. " I don't deal with maintenance but I've seen some shit - literally and otherwise - so I'd believe it. On the exceedingly rare occasion I make a mess I can't clean up myself (accidents happen etc) I do my best then report it. I have to wonder how some people were raised tbh, that they can just leave that shit (literally and otherwise) for someone else to find | |||
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"You can tell who does and does not have to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of office toilets. In my building, the women's toilets are generally just as bad, if not worse than men's at times. Often you will find it's a case of a single individual that shits it up (pun intended). The difference usually comes down to it being the women that also put in the call for any mess be cleaned or fixed promptly, while the men are more oblivious to reporting things so it appears that the men's toilets are worse... The calls I've had down for my cleaning team to deal with 99% of the time are for women's and they are not a pretty sight! And that's multiple times a day. On site the womens toilets are perfect, basically untouched The mens though. Eastern European guys have very weird ways of shitting " Should try Indian guys, have to have signs up showing them not to squat on the toilet but sit on it and use the paper not their hands! Sometimes in the main office it is dire and feel sorry for the cleaners. | |||
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"You can tell who does and does not have to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of office toilets. In my building, the women's toilets are generally just as bad, if not worse than men's at times. Often you will find it's a case of a single individual that shits it up (pun intended). The difference usually comes down to it being the women that also put in the call for any mess be cleaned or fixed promptly, while the men are more oblivious to reporting things so it appears that the men's toilets are worse... The calls I've had down for my cleaning team to deal with 99% of the time are for women's and they are not a pretty sight! And that's multiple times a day. On site the womens toilets are perfect, basically untouched The mens though. Eastern European guys have very weird ways of shitting Should try Indian guys, have to have signs up showing them not to squat on the toilet but sit on it and use the paper not their hands! Sometimes in the main office it is dire and feel sorry for the cleaners." Exactly the signs we have | |||
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"Thank god it’s 2022" Innit! | |||
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"Respect for communal resources and skincare: now also accessible to people presenting as male. indeed...
Having worked in various bars, I can say that though work toilets may be nicer for women, at the end of the night I'd take cleaning the men's over the women's any day "A lot of women's toilets are a hell of a lot more disgusting than men's. Seriously, I don't know how or WHY any woman would want to leave the facilities as they do for the next user OR the cleaners. Absolutely shameful!!! | |||
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"And it's a yay from me for gender neutral toilets . There's never enough toilets for women, so I have used men's when I needed to. Plus baby changing stations are frequently only in women's toilets which is bloody ridiculous. I know my husband got dirty looks off women when he had to go into ladies toilets to change one of our kids. "Yeah, nearly everytime I took the kids out as babies I had to use the ladies, the disabled or find a space on the floor to change them. It's slowly getting better. | |||
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"All public buildings must still have single sex facilities too for those that don't want to share so everyone can be catered for." Good | |||
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"Will in the future guys have to browse through racks of panties to buy undies when out shopping? Surely shops will change too..?" How will it make any difference if they are sorted into type and size? It will be exactly the same as you already looking for boxers instead of thongs, but there will just be a larger range of categories. How is that a bad thing? It means you will end up with more choice and make it less awkward for those who want something that isn't currently targeted at them. | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet)" I managed it once when I was able bodied. In a portaloo. It was a bit of a contorsion type effort. I was in a swimsuit so I took that off, reversed towards the urinal and cocked my leg like a dog. It worked  The portaloo was a public health hazard!
Very thankful for my RADAR key now! We've had gender neutral loos at work for ages now and it doesn't seem to cause any kerfuffle. There are also gender segregated ones for those who wish to use them. | |||
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"You can tell who does and does not have to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of office toilets. In my building, the women's toilets are generally just as bad, if not worse than men's at times. Often you will find it's a case of a single individual that shits it up (pun intended). The difference usually comes down to it being the women that also put in the call for any mess be cleaned or fixed promptly, while the men are more oblivious to reporting things so it appears that the men's toilets are worse... The calls I've had down for my cleaning team to deal with 99% of the time are for women's and they are not a pretty sight! And that's multiple times a day. On site the womens toilets are perfect, basically untouched The mens though. Eastern European guys have very weird ways of shitting Should try Indian guys, have to have signs up showing them not to squat on the toilet but sit on it and use the paper not their hands! Sometimes in the main office it is dire and feel sorry for the cleaners." We have similar signs for our international students. We've not really had too many issues (a few, but not many). If a squatting loo is the only thing you've known for your whole life, you can't blame people for getting confused. | |||
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"We have these in my work place. But they are like mini bathrooms, so they have a loo and sink in them. And they open up into a corridor so no communal space whatsoever. " Ours are like this. I've also used ones in a more traditional layout with communal sinks/mirrors in the nearby students union and uni buildings. | |||
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"So everyone will be shitting up the previously women's toilets. " I’m reliably informed that in our office the womens toilets were to be avoided and they all used the (gender neutral) disabled bathrooms. | |||
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"Will in the future guys have to browse through racks of panties to buy undies when out shopping? Surely shops will change too..? How will it make any difference if they are sorted into type and size? It will be exactly the same as you already looking for boxers instead of thongs, but there will just be a larger range of categories. How is that a bad thing? It means you will end up with more choice and make it less awkward for those who want something that isn't currently targeted at them. " Won’t make much difference to me as I only high end outlets anyway. | |||
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"We have these in my work place. But they are like mini bathrooms, so they have a loo and sink in them. And they open up into a corridor so no communal space whatsoever. Ours are like this. I've also used ones in a more traditional layout with communal sinks/mirrors in the nearby students union and uni buildings. " Ours are like that because it meant it took less floor space than gendered toilets. I don't think about it until a thread like this crops up | |||
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"When in Manchester I saw the names on the doors were simply 'Cubicles' and 'Urinals and Cubicles'. I thought that was great and so simple. Say what they are rather than who you expect to use them. " It’s just nice it to have a fucking trough innit? Some Pissed up fucker standing next to you with spray bouncing of the steel all over you. Stood in a row, ‘moooooooooo! Mooooooooo!’ I just kind to do my stuff on my own | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter I can’t say I’ve never used chilli and chocolate spread as special effects before. I managed to offend an almost unoffendable work mate too. You have to have your fun don’t ya. I’m the office cunt " | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private " And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. " Don't forget disabilities aren't always visible... The amount of hassle I get coming out of disabled toilets is horrific | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. Don't forget disabilities aren't always visible... The amount of hassle I get coming out of disabled toilets is horrific" I totally get this and I rarely say anything. However, I have in the past said things to people in the building I am aware are not in any way disabled and they've admitted using the disabled loo out of laziness or a desire to sit in peace. | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well " Tried that. Piss ran down my legs. | |||
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"We have these in my work place. But they are like mini bathrooms, so they have a loo and sink in them. And they open up into a corridor so no communal space whatsoever. " This is a much better idea. | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well Tried that. Piss ran down my legs." I hope one fine day I have to pee sitting down x | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. Don't forget disabilities aren't always visible... The amount of hassle I get coming out of disabled toilets is horrific I totally get this and I rarely say anything. However, I have in the past said things to people in the building I am aware are not in any way disabled and they've admitted using the disabled loo out of laziness or a desire to sit in peace. " They may also be too ashamed or upset to admit needing to use a disabled toilet, acceptance of disability often comes long after disability happens after all.... 5 years on and I'm only just accepting help, speaking up for my rights etc | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. Don't forget disabilities aren't always visible... The amount of hassle I get coming out of disabled toilets is horrific" Yeah me too with a family member. Same in the disabled spaces. At first I got upset, then angry, now I just ignore. Ignorance is everywhere. | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter" They've recently appeared in our gents work toilets. I keep expecting an African man to pop out, "freshen up for punani, punani, punani, freshen up for punani, in da pussy. No splash no gash, no spray no lay, my friend". | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. Don't forget disabilities aren't always visible... The amount of hassle I get coming out of disabled toilets is horrific I totally get this and I rarely say anything. However, I have in the past said things to people in the building I am aware are not in any way disabled and they've admitted using the disabled loo out of laziness or a desire to sit in peace. They may also be too ashamed or upset to admit needing to use a disabled toilet, acceptance of disability often comes long after disability happens after all.... 5 years on and I'm only just accepting help, speaking up for my rights etc" I'm fully aware of invisible disabilities but the people I've spoken to have said they had no other reason to use the disabled loo other than a desire to hide away and watch videos on their phones while having a poo. On a separate but connected note, I wish they would separate disabled loos and child changing facilities (Changing Places being a separate thing). Very often, a bank of two or three disabled toilets in shopping malls will be occupied by people changing babies. The Trafford Centre has separate baby/child changing areas with toilets for parents within - these should now be the norm in newly designed/renovated toilet facilities. | |||
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" On a separate but connected note, I wish they would separate disabled loos and child changing facilities (Changing Places being a separate thing). Very often, a bank of two or three disabled toilets in shopping malls will be occupied by people changing babies. The Trafford Centre has separate baby/child changing areas with toilets for parents within - these should now be the norm in newly designed/renovated toilet facilities. " I'll agree with that. I always felt ever so guilty having to use the disabled toilet to change my kids. | |||
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"When in Manchester I saw the names on the doors were simply 'Cubicles' and 'Urinals and Cubicles'. I thought that was great and so simple. Say what they are rather than who you expect to use them. " Haha that is just lazy, I think confusing and is not Gender Neutral! Cubicles only = previously Ladies Urinals & Cubicles = previously Men. Still segregation. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe?" I think someone else pointed out that in public buildings at least, where gender neutral toilets are installed and involve the mingling of all genders, they must also maintain some segregated ones. The ones at my workplace are entirely self contained - one toilet "room" opening off a public corridor, containing a loo, sink and sanitary bin. The (equally gender neutral) disabled loo is at the end of the row of four such installations. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe?" I'd rather just keep them as they are already, there's way too many creepy people without encouraging them into same toilets | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe?" --how much space do you think people have though? Neutral toilets save space that can turn urinals into cubical - I winner for me! And as for cleanliness, it's vital that our toilets become cleaner imo. As a carer I found far too many to be shitholes (ie not just clubs and pubs). | |||
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"You lot are weird wanting men in your pristine lovely toilets. Be careful what you wish for. " Building research has found Gender Neutral toilets in Education venues are cleaner, used more respectfully (no more dunking Jimmy's head in the gents and flushing!) and despite what TEFRs say (that Trans Women should not be allowed into the Ladies), in fact Gender Neutral toilets is always the answer. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe? I think someone else pointed out that in public buildings at least, where gender neutral toilets are installed and involve the mingling of all genders, they must also maintain some segregated ones. The ones at my workplace are entirely self contained - one toilet "room" opening off a public corridor, containing a loo, sink and sanitary bin. The (equally gender neutral) disabled loo is at the end of the row of four such installations. " Ah yes that’s a good idea. I think that is probably the best way forward. Don’t see how anyone can have an issue with that. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe? --how much space do you think people have though? Neutral toilets save space that can turn urinals into cubical - I winner for me! And as for cleanliness, it's vital that our toilets become cleaner imo. As a carer I found far too many to be shitholes (ie not just clubs and pubs)." If they’re totally separate cubicles like someone said above then yes. I don’t want my young daughter going into a public toilet where a man is stood there having a wee at a urinal. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe? --how much space do you think people have though? Neutral toilets save space that can turn urinals into cubical - I winner for me! And as for cleanliness, it's vital that our toilets become cleaner imo. As a carer I found far too many to be shitholes (ie not just clubs and pubs). If they’re totally separate cubicles like someone said above then yes. I don’t want my young daughter going into a public toilet where a man is stood there having a wee at a urinal. " --Neither would any man having taking a pee believe me! Gender neutral toilet don't have urinals! Only cubicles. They're great. | |||
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"I'd rather just keep them as they are already, there's way too many creepy people without encouraging them into same toilets " But that's it tho... Creepy people should be dealt with accordingly as the majority just want to have have a pee/poo and get out. On this thread alone, there are countless benefits, like baby changing, dads with young daughters etc. Also elderly opposite sex partners with Dementia can assist their loved one and not abandon to cope on their own. We need to think more creatively than just binary. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe? --how much space do you think people have though? Neutral toilets save space that can turn urinals into cubical - I winner for me! And as for cleanliness, it's vital that our toilets become cleaner imo. As a carer I found far too many to be shitholes (ie not just clubs and pubs). If they’re totally separate cubicles like someone said above then yes. I don’t want my young daughter going into a public toilet where a man is stood there having a wee at a urinal. --Neither would any man having taking a pee believe me! Gender neutral toilet don't have urinals! Only cubicles. They're great." Excellent. I’m good with separate cubicles. I wouldn’t be good with neutral toilets with urinals | |||
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"Other than the neutral ones at work, I've used various other gender neutral toilets (increasingly the norm in the university and student union world) and not one included urinals. All were individual cubicles, sometimes along a corridor with integral hand basins, other times cubicles opening into a communal hand wash/mirror areas. Being next to someone of a different gender to wash/dry hands doesn't seem much of an issue to me personally. Now being a user of disabled facilities, I have to share with all and sundry anyway and feel I'm just as vulnerable to assault or whatever sitting outside the dizzy loo, waiting for a guy to vacate, as I am standing next to a guy to wash my hands. " It's not an issue for me. It might be an issue for some women or girls. | |||
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"When in Manchester I saw the names on the doors were simply 'Cubicles' and 'Urinals and Cubicles'. I thought that was great and so simple. Say what they are rather than who you expect to use them. Haha that is just lazy, I think confusing and is not Gender Neutral! Cubicles only = previously Ladies Urinals & Cubicles = previously Men. Still segregation." --Yeah I've not seen this, but clearly it's a half-baked attempt to say something! The second is not remotely gender neutral though obviously. Maybe they are planning to knock them into two? New gen loos are great with a rebuild because they'll come better fitted too, and who wouldn't want that? | |||
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"Other than the neutral ones at work, I've used various other gender neutral toilets (increasingly the norm in the university and student union world) and not one included urinals. All were individual cubicles, sometimes along a corridor with integral hand basins, other times cubicles opening into a communal hand wash/mirror areas. Being next to someone of a different gender to wash/dry hands doesn't seem much of an issue to me personally. Now being a user of disabled facilities, I have to share with all and sundry anyway and feel I'm just as vulnerable to assault or whatever sitting outside the dizzy loo, waiting for a guy to vacate, as I am standing next to a guy to wash my hands. It's not an issue for me. It might be an issue for some women or girls. " No-one seems bothered about lone female disabled people having to go in/out of disabled loos where men will come and go before/after. I could easily be seized by the handles and dragged into the accessible toilet. | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe? I'd rather just keep them as they are already, there's way too many creepy people without encouraging them into same toilets "--been to one in a resto with loads of basins, plenty of cubicles, really mellow for every one in it I thought. | |||
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"Other than the neutral ones at work, I've used various other gender neutral toilets (increasingly the norm in the university and student union world) and not one included urinals. All were individual cubicles, sometimes along a corridor with integral hand basins, other times cubicles opening into a communal hand wash/mirror areas. Being next to someone of a different gender to wash/dry hands doesn't seem much of an issue to me personally. Now being a user of disabled facilities, I have to share with all and sundry anyway and feel I'm just as vulnerable to assault or whatever sitting outside the dizzy loo, waiting for a guy to vacate, as I am standing next to a guy to wash my hands. It's not an issue for me. It might be an issue for some women or girls. No-one seems bothered about lone female disabled people having to go in/out of disabled loos where men will come and go before/after. I could easily be seized by the handles and dragged into the accessible toilet. " --Does that ever happen though? Crime like that is potentially everywhere, it's just whether it happens or not. | |||
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"Other than the neutral ones at work, I've used various other gender neutral toilets (increasingly the norm in the university and student union world) and not one included urinals. All were individual cubicles, sometimes along a corridor with integral hand basins, other times cubicles opening into a communal hand wash/mirror areas. Being next to someone of a different gender to wash/dry hands doesn't seem much of an issue to me personally. Now being a user of disabled facilities, I have to share with all and sundry anyway and feel I'm just as vulnerable to assault or whatever sitting outside the dizzy loo, waiting for a guy to vacate, as I am standing next to a guy to wash my hands. It's not an issue for me. It might be an issue for some women or girls. No-one seems bothered about lone female disabled people having to go in/out of disabled loos where men will come and go before/after. I could easily be seized by the handles and dragged into the accessible toilet. --Does that ever happen though? Crime like that is potentially everywhere, it's just whether it happens or not." Dunno. I've personally never experienced any nefarious behaviour in any type of toilet, but plenty of other people have. My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? | |||
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"What about people who don’t want neutral toilets? Do they just have to accept it then? I would imagine there are many people who would prefer to keep it separate. Male, female, and neutral toilets maybe? I think someone else pointed out that in public buildings at least, where gender neutral toilets are installed and involve the mingling of all genders, they must also maintain some segregated ones. The ones at my workplace are entirely self contained - one toilet "room" opening off a public corridor, containing a loo, sink and sanitary bin. The (equally gender neutral) disabled loo is at the end of the row of four such installations. Ah yes that’s a good idea. I think that is probably the best way forward. Don’t see how anyone can have an issue with that. " We have these in work for over a decade. I also think the last wagamamma had self contained loos. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? " --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- | |||
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky?
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky?
Interesting philosophical point raised here. Is it still news if Tom doesn't post it?
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"Do they still have urinals in there ?" What the self contained ones? Nope a toilet like most of us have at home | |||
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky?
Interesting philosophical point raised here. Is it still news if Tom doesn't post it?
Here he is "Let's not bait Tom... This is serious... Can they have an area for men to pee in peace.. ? They won't sit on toilet seats to piss and will end up pissing all over the toilet seat surely? | |||
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"There is some evidence that unisex facilities put women in more danger. The Times, Andrew Gilligan, 2018. "Through a freedom of information request, he found that the vast majority – just under 90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent.""  | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet) There's a contraption you can buy - but mostly it's just squatting. Have done in the arse end of nowhere, don't fancy it otherwise. A SheWee!!! I have one - not as easy as it looks!!! How does a woman carry one around? Just dangle it from her handbag, dripping with piss? " it’s a bit like a funnel. Just give it a wipe with a tissue. Honestly better than pissing down the leg of your jeans x | |||
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"There is some evidence that unisex facilities put women in more danger. The Times, Andrew Gilligan, 2018. "Through a freedom of information request, he found that the vast majority – just under 90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent."" The keywords being changing room Dunno if that applies to single room bathrooms | |||
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"There is some evidence that unisex facilities put women in more danger. The Times, Andrew Gilligan, 2018. "Through a freedom of information request, he found that the vast majority – just under 90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent."" The ones I use in work and in restaurants. They're in corridors with staff and or people passing. I think they're probably safer than a typical loo as nobody can enter the room when you're in a cubicle. | |||
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky?
Interesting philosophical point raised here. Is it still news if Tom doesn't post it?
Here he is
Let's not bait Tom...
This is serious...
Can they have an area for men to pee in peace.. ?
They won't sit on toilet seats to piss and will end up pissing all over the toilet seat surely?"And leave the lid up , tut tut | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). --" If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts  | |||
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"Women poop too. " m Yeah, but not all Over the seat and floor, as the majority of men seem to do in public toilets. | |||
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"How does this work when the toilet has a few urinals and a cubicle. Could any person be in there at any time? woman can stand and pee as well *Confused look* Are my bits different to anyone elses? If I tried to pee standing up it would be a nightmare (and my clothes would get very wet) There's a contraption you can buy - but mostly it's just squatting. Have done in the arse end of nowhere, don't fancy it otherwise. A SheWee!!! I have one - not as easy as it looks!!! How does a woman carry one around? Just dangle it from her handbag, dripping with piss? it’s a bit like a funnel. Just give it a wipe with a tissue. Honestly better than pissing down the leg of your jeans x" Crikey x | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts "Was it forum people who were grabbing you/ your chair?
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky?
Interesting philosophical point raised here. Is it still news if Tom doesn't post it?
Here he is
Let's not bait Tom...
This is serious...
Can they have an area for men to pee in peace.. ?
They won't sit on toilet seats to piss and will end up pissing all over the toilet seat surely?
And leave the lid up , tut tut "My ex always used to leave the kid down. It was incredibly frustrating. I don’t even know why it has a lid these days , they’re not needed since toilets have been supplied with integrated internal water operated flushing mechanisms since Victorian times | |||
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"Women poop too. Is this breaking news on the BBC, ITV & Sky?
Interesting philosophical point raised here. Is it still news if Tom doesn't post it?
Here he is
Let's not bait Tom...
This is serious...
Can they have an area for men to pee in peace.. ?
They won't sit on toilet seats to piss and will end up pissing all over the toilet seat surely?
And leave the lid up , tut tut
My ex always used to leave the kid down. It was incredibly frustrating. I don’t even know why it has a lid these days , they’re not needed since toilets have been supplied with integrated internal water operated flushing mechanisms since Victorian times "Toilets are designed with lids to keep germs and bacteria in the bowl when you flush! If not those germs float around the bathroom and land on the surfaces and no doubt your toothbrush! | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
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Some people are bleeps."NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
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NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone. "Did they ever tip you back and do a little wheelie? | |||
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"There is some evidence that unisex facilities put women in more danger. The Times, Andrew Gilligan, 2018. "Through a freedom of information request, he found that the vast majority – just under 90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent." The keywords being changing room Dunno if that applies to single room bathrooms" I could quote other sources on unisex facilities. It does depend on the design - really makes a difference if they're self-contained toilet cubicles. If they open onto a corridor. If they've been well thought out to work for everyone. But often they haven't been well thought out. | |||
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""Through a freedom of information request, he found that the vast majority – just under 90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent. " --That actually doesn't mean they literally put people in more danger. It's just now a potential place it can happen (as in all unisex places). And the figure would go from low (in same sex loos) to a large percent of all complaints (ie 90%) in unisex ones. The large percent is just a percent of something - it doesn't mean it happens a lot in most places. And Leisure Centres always have issues with voyeurism etc. Unisex changing in swimming pools use to often be the thing anyway - I'm old enough to remember when they literally surrounded the pool! But such things shouldn't happen at all of course - and these figures (from 2018?) will improve in society as people adapt, and the leisure centres etc (which can be shitholes anyway some of them - skewing certain figures) learn how to promote and run them. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
Was it forum people who were grabbing you/ your chair?
Some people are bleeps.
NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone.
Did they ever tip you back and do a little wheelie? "No. They pushed me in directions I did not intend to go and refused to let go. If that happened to a woman on foot (dragged in a different direction and not released), most would describe it as "assault." However some people seem to think it's funny when it involves a wheelchair. It's not funny it's fucking terrifying. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
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NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone. "OMG! That's just awful! | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
Was it forum people who were grabbing you/ your chair?
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NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone.
OMG! That's just awful! "Happens in daylight hours too, but I feel less vulnerable with people around. I get pulled in/out of lifts against my will, I get pushed in queues, people try to shove me up ramps/hills without asking and most often end up punching me in the kidneys because I keep my handles folded in. Unsolicited wheelchair moving is a very common issue. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
Was it forum people who were grabbing you/ your chair?
Some people are bleeps.
NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone. " You need a taser wired up to your chair handles so they get a massive zap and fuck right off. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
Was it forum people who were grabbing you/ your chair?
Some people are bleeps.
NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone.
You need a taser wired up to your chair handles so they get a massive zap and fuck right off. "Playfull (the OP) suggested spikes on my wheels  | |||
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"As a dad who does 100% of the nappy changes its amazing how many places only have baby change facilities in the women's toilets so im all for this lol KJ Mr" --Or the disabled loos - both bad places for them really. Unless it's a changing area only, gender neutral loos are ideal for this. | |||
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"My work has a gender neutral sign on one of the public’s toilet doors. Go in there’s like 12 cubicles either labelled ‘men’s’ or ‘ladies’. No urinals. Just all toilets. Everyday I can’t decide if it’s totally dumb that they would label the doors or actually quite nice that a person can use what they identify as. There’s also gender neutral toilets in the cells - but that’s a TOTALLY different kettle of fish! "I don't like the door labelling, that makes it not gender neutral surely. If someone sees me going into the Man toilet I might get abuse. | |||
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"My point is, if it's been de rigour for all genders to use accessible toilet facilities since forever, I'm not sure what the difference is when this model is opened up more widely? --More cubicles are what everyone wants, lets face it! Neutral toilets provide them, and that would mean less use of the disabled ones surely (and the amount they get dirtied/cleaned is an issue I will accept that - as a carer I used to have to clean some of them myself). -- If you were to ask the question "how often are you seized by the handles and moved against your will [toilets not included]," then the answer is "too fucking often." On the public dancefloor at the Manchester social, my chair (and by extension, me) were manhandled so many times that it put me off dancing and I retreated to the Fab specific area. I felt sufficiently vulnerable to ask male members of the Fab community to accompany me to my car because of the fear of someone deciding to seize my chair in the street. This has happened several times before, each time, I've had to seek the help of others to make the person leave me alone. Despite the above, I personally have little fear using toilet facilities (I know others do). My fears are of society in general. And lifts
Was it forum people who were grabbing you/ your chair?
Some people are bleeps.
NOOOOOOOOOO! Fab/Forum people were trying to fend off the grabbers. The grabbing/general weirdos were from the general public on the main dancefloor. It happened to a lesser extent (also with the public) in December too. I was seized by the handles in Liverpool back in early 2020, when heading to my car and was only released when a very tall Fabber who was walking with me, threatened violence. I was also pulled towards an alley while on a work's night out, again, needed to shout for a colleague ahead of me to help because the person would not let go and I couldn't stop him. Fuck knows what might happen if I'd been completely alone.
You need a taser wired up to your chair handles so they get a massive zap and fuck right off.
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"When in Manchester I saw the names on the doors were simply 'Cubicles' and 'Urinals and Cubicles'. I thought that was great and so simple. Say what they are rather than who you expect to use them. Haha that is just lazy, I think confusing and is not Gender Neutral! Cubicles only = previously Ladies Urinals & Cubicles = previously Men. Still segregation." Really? You can use whichever you like, the signage just tells you what is in them. How would you do it better? | |||
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"When in Manchester I saw the names on the doors were simply 'Cubicles' and 'Urinals and Cubicles'. I thought that was great and so simple. Say what they are rather than who you expect to use them. Haha that is just lazy, I think confusing and is not Gender Neutral! Cubicles only = previously Ladies Urinals & Cubicles = previously Men. Still segregation. Really? You can use whichever you like, the signage just tells you what is in them. How would you do it better? " ---It's the urinal issue. There are no urinals in actual 'gender neutral' toilets that's her point - only more cubicles (yay!). So this example is a sort-of middling PC thing, as they probably felt they had to do something. Only the loo with the urinals in actually 'segregates' (strong word) people.--- | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter. "Omg! I’m with you Meli | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli "--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would? Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it. Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.-- | |||
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"I’m definitely leaving the toilet seat up now "I thought you just did it on the floor?! | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--"No urinals. Men need urinals . | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--
No urinals.
Men need urinals
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"---It's the urinal issue. There are no urinals in actual 'gender neutral' toilets that's her point - only more cubicles (yay!). So this example is a sort-of middling PC thing, as they probably felt they had to do something. Only the loo with the urinals in actually 'segregates' (strong word) people.---" | |||
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"No urinals. Men need urinals Do you have a urinal at home Tom? " lol | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--
No urinals.
Men need urinals
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--
No urinals.
Men need urinals
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Do you have a urinal at home Tom?
Yes"Fair play Tom, you defo have a bigger bathroom than I, to fit both a loo and a urinal. Though M and my two boys manage with a loo. I don't think they've been adversely affected by it. | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--
No urinals.
Men need urinals
Do you have a urinal at home Tom?
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--
No urinals.
Men need urinals
Do you have a urinal at home Tom?
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You live in a pub don't you Tom"I own several... | |||
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"It all comes down to space..." You are a space ace, clearly | |||
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"Thats a point, why don't men have nice smellies in the previously gender un neutral toilets... like urine smell deodorizers or hose down walls from fecal spatter Hose. Fecal splatter.
Omg! I’m with you Meli
--Come on, do you honestly think men would up with faecal splatter on walls if it wasn't soon dealt with? I mean any more than woman would?
Urinals have those coloured blocks put in them and they have spray systems too, but the problem is the functionality of the actual urinal itself - it's not or was ever ideal. But it works and we generally put up with it.
Investing in properly sanitised gender neutral toilets with sufficient cubicles for everyone is clearly the way forward.--
No urinals.
Men need urinals
Do you have a urinal at home Tom?
Yes
You live in a pub don't you Tom
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"Two cubicles equals the same space as a trough where about 6 men can piss at the same time. Basic maths.. " -You sound like you actually enjoy doing that! A lot of pubs will probably still need Mens/womens loos and troughs too, esp the ones full of drinking d*unk people with all that shit involved. But this isn't really about pubs or nightclubs - they cover just a fraction of the amount of toilets around! They clearly need to be discussed differently, but they've too often been pushed centre stage in this debate. Let's sort out the loos most people go to in their daily sober lives.-- | |||
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"Two cubicles equals the same space as a trough where about 6 men can piss at the same time. Basic maths.. -You sound like you actually enjoy doing that! I own pubs... I need to look after my clientele... A lot of pubs will probably still need Mens/womens loos and troughs too, esp the ones full of drinking d*unk people with all that shit involved. But this isn't really about pubs or nightclubs - they cover just a fraction of the amount of toilets around! They clearly need to be discussed differently, but they've too often been pushed centre stage in this debate. Let's sort out the loos most people go to in their daily sober lives.-- " | |||
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"You can tell who does and does not have to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of office toilets. In my building, the women's toilets are generally just as bad, if not worse than men's at times. Often you will find it's a case of a single individual that shits it up (pun intended). The difference usually comes down to it being the women that also put in the call for any mess be cleaned or fixed promptly, while the men are more oblivious to reporting things so it appears that the men's toilets are worse... The calls I've had down for my cleaning team to deal with 99% of the time are for women's and they are not a pretty sight! And that's multiple times a day. On site the womens toilets are perfect, basically untouched The mens though. Eastern European guys have very weird ways of shitting Should try Indian guys, have to have signs up showing them not to squat on the toilet but sit on it and use the paper not their hands! Sometimes in the main office it is dire and feel sorry for the cleaners." Jeez.... | |||
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" Very thankful for my RADAR key now! We've had gender neutral loos at work for ages now and it doesn't seem to cause any kerfuffle. There are also gender segregated ones for those who wish to use them. " RADAR keys are a life saver. I've got one. There is a disabled toilet in the Derbyshire, that has a shower curtain around the toilet seat area, an electrically raised sink that anyone can use, standing or chair based and a blue bariatric doctor's bench. Seriously I have the pictures to prove it. You can imagine Air BnB hosting this one. It was less of a toilet and more of a examination room. This was spotless. | |||
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"The disabled bathrooms are always much more spacious and private And are intended for the use of people who need the extra space to manouvre a wheelchair and use the support bars etc. They are not intended for people to take a shit in peace or for people to waste their work time. As a wheelchair user who cannot access the regular toilets, it pisses me the fuck off when I have to wait for Dale from marketing to finish his 20minute wank. Don't forget disabilities aren't always visible... The amount of hassle I get coming out of disabled toilets is horrific" Just explain to them what IBS stands for and see how long they hang around. | |||
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