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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .." And when it's winter and folk's houses get flooded due to burst pipes? They've got a fucking nerve to suggest this when they've just been given a £2212 pay rise. | |||
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"“Put a coat on peasants” That’s all " Welcome to Tory Britain | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .." Burnt my toes the other month, as the hot water bottle seal split | |||
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"Shouldn't have to resort to that though should we... It's 2022 "This | |||
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"“Put a coat on peasants” That’s all Welcome to Tory Britain " To be fair though can you imagine the heating bill on all the properties you own as a member of parliament? Must be very difficult writing all that off as expenses at the end of the year while collecting your rent profits Poor souls | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. And when it's winter and folk's houses get flooded due to burst pipes? They've got a fucking nerve to suggest this when they've just been given a £2212 pay rise. " If the government fuckers want to give out advice on how easy it is to live on a pension, then the bastards should me made to live on that amount themselves. If national minimum wage is deemed enough for the people that keep the corridors of Westminster clean, then it should be enough for the twats that make those corridors dirty. After all, it's not as if MPs have to do that job under sufferance; they spend thousands on campaigning to win the privilege of getting the position. They don't even need any special qualifications to do it! The moment that an MP or a minister of the PM complains that they're not getting enough money they should be told to fuck right off, there's millions of people in this country that can't even dream of getting that much in their wage packet. | |||
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"Shouldn't have to resort to that though should we... It's 2022 "Yep in 2022 just needlessly use up fossil fuels and pollute the planet to make big toasty warm spaces to walk around in underwear! | |||
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"Isn't Brexit Britain glorious?" Tory Brexit Britain. If the other parties had accepted the result and promised to deliver what the electorate asked like the Tories did, for we might not be living in quite so much of a morbid shit show right now. Mind, some EU countries are on about nringing | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. Burnt my toes the other month, as the hot water bottle seal split "Could I keep warm under that body of yours please!?  | |||
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"Isn't Brexit Britain glorious?Tory Brexit Britain. If the other parties had accepted the result and promised to deliver what the electorate asked like the Tories did, for we might not be living in quite so much of a morbid shit show right now. Mind, some EU countries are on about nringing" What control did any of the other political parties have over the negotiations run by government, including I think it was the fishing minister who didn't read the agreement because of a nativity play? You're correct, this is on the Tories. Maybe if they hadn't turned a party spat into a referendum, we'd be in a better position. Or maybe if they'd given a shit about the rule of law rather being busy sucking Putin off. | |||
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"Isn't Brexit Britain glorious?Tory Brexit Britain. If the other parties had accepted the result and promised to deliver what the electorate asked like the Tories did, for we might not be living in quite so much of a morbid shit show right now. Mind, some EU countries are on about nringing What control did any of the other political parties have over the negotiations run by government, including I think it was the fishing minister who didn't read the agreement because of a nativity play? You're correct, this is on the Tories. Maybe if they hadn't turned a party spat into a referendum, we'd be in a better position. Or maybe if they'd given a shit about the rule of law rather being busy sucking Putin off."  | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. Burnt my toes the other month, as the hot water bottle seal split
Could I keep warm under that body of yours please!? "Do you want to be flattened? | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. Burnt my toes the other month, as the hot water bottle seal split
Could I keep warm under that body of yours please!?
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"Shouldn't have to resort to that though should we... It's 2022
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. Burnt my toes the other month, as the hot water bottle seal split
Could I keep warm under that body of yours please!?
Do you want to be flattened? "Just think of the heat we’d generate! | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. Burnt my toes the other month, as the hot water bottle seal split
Could I keep warm under that body of yours please!?
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"I mean it's hardly the ice age is it. Put some clothes on if you're cold. " good point wheres that global warming when its needed | |||
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"Everyone was happy when the government were handing out cash like it was going out of fashion to keep the country afloat. Now we have to pay it back, everyone is pissed.. A pandemic that closed down the world economy for 2 years and a war in Eastern Europe has just finished it off.. This is not a UK economic crisis, its a world crisis. Don't know what people expect, the cupboards bare and the country has an eye watering debt that needs repaying and a health service that needs a massive cash investment to get the backlog cleared. 25 years of poor investment in our energy systems has left us exposed to external fuel price influences.. Just be thankful we aren't in Germany, at least when the pipeline from Russia gets shut, we will still have gas. " Well perhaps in a world crisis the government could have started by setting an example when telling everyone else to tighten their belts. Instead the fuckers gave themselves a pay rise. On top of all the billions that they've embezzled over the past few years. There has always been a bit of sporadic corruption in government, a few brown envelopes filled with used fivers, someone caught with their pants down and their cock out. This lot though have institutionalized the practice and refined it into an art form. They are the absolute scum of the earth, not just content for others to starve but actually cheering it on. | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too." Is this a serious question? You dry them inside, preferably in a ventilated room. Same for damp, in the summer open windows and ventilation will help remove moisture. How do you dry clothes in the winter? Surely not with a tumble dryer? | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. Is this a serious question? You dry them inside, preferably in a ventilated room. Same for damp, in the summer open windows and ventilation will help remove moisture. How do you dry clothes in the winter? Surely not with a tumble dryer?" Yes, this is a serious question. My place is small so the only room that I can hang clothes is a living room that gets no direct sunlight after mid afternoon. It can take days for the clothes to dry out, if it's damp outside. | |||
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"If you have a heart condition, a lung condition, arthritis or certain other conditions, are very young or very old you need your home heated to a certain temperature. If you live in a flat in a purpose built flat you might have problems ventilating your home because you can't get a through flow of air. Drying washing in a home with little or no heating will lead to condensation, damp and all the problems associated with those things." Sad, but so very true. | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. Is this a serious question? You dry them inside, preferably in a ventilated room. Same for damp, in the summer open windows and ventilation will help remove moisture. How do you dry clothes in the winter? Surely not with a tumble dryer? Yes, this is a serious question. My place is small so the only room that I can hang clothes is a living room that gets no direct sunlight after mid afternoon. It can take days for the clothes to dry out, if it's damp outside. " Small portable dehumidifier? Uses less electric than heating the room. | |||
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"Everyone was happy when the government were handing out cash like it was going out of fashion to keep the country afloat. Now we have to pay it back, everyone is pissed.. A pandemic that closed down the world economy for 2 years and a war in Eastern Europe has just finished it off.. This is not a UK economic crisis, its a world crisis. Don't know what people expect, the cupboards bare and the country has an eye watering debt that needs repaying and a health service that needs a massive cash investment to get the backlog cleared. 25 years of poor investment in our energy systems has left us exposed to external fuel price influences.. Just be thankful we aren't in Germany, at least when the pipeline from Russia gets shut, we will still have gas. " Strange how the global crisis is affecting the UK far worse than everyone else if we’re all in the same boat, isn’t it? Still, hardly surprising when you consider which party has been mismanaging our economy for the majority of the time.  | |||
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" Small portable dehumidifier? Uses less electric than heating the room." Does it work out cheaper than brand new gas rads? | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too." The most suitable place within the home is the bathroom on a cloths stand with the window open a little | |||
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"In summer/nice weather I use the washing line. Did you know that cavity wall insulation can actually trap in moisture, but closing up the air bricks? Official advice is not to dry clothes indoors as the moisture can cause dampness. " Did you not see the bit where I said ventilated? The moisture needs to go somewhere, obviously. Even with the heating on you still need ventilation, no matter what your air bricks are doing. | |||
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"In summer/nice weather I use the washing line. Did you know that cavity wall insulation can actually trap in moisture, but closing up the air bricks? Official advice is not to dry clothes indoors as the moisture can cause dampness. Did you not see the bit where I said ventilated? The moisture needs to go somewhere, obviously. Even with the heating on you still need ventilation, no matter what your air bricks are doing." Yes, I saw that word. My kitchen has no radiators, as it's really tiny, with a shaded northeasterly facing window. This is opened during cooking and is left on ventilate position when I'm not in, but the lack of sunlight 5'9 by 10'. Some places are badly designed from the start. My air bricks are chôked up by cavity wall insulation foam. | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. The most suitable place within the home is the bathroom on a cloths stand with the window open a little" Our bathroom is far too small for that. | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. The most suitable place within the home is the bathroom on a cloths stand with the window open a little" If my bathroom had a window that might be worth considering. | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. The most suitable place within the home is the bathroom on a cloths stand with the window open a little" And one of those nickers drier. You know the one, round with pegs | |||
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"No not necessarily true, that is why I said you can drastically reduce your bills but not kill them completely. For all those will damp problems - your answer is not throwing loads of carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide up the stack by turning your boiler on. Your problem is down to ventilation and insulation and probably other building problems - all fixable. You need to fix those anyway or you will be affecting your health." If you rent you're reliant on your landlord to fix these things. Landlords are often (not always) reluctant to spend money on their properties beyond the bare minimum. | |||
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"Wonder how many politicians will use that advice? " . I'm certain that Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak are stocking up on thermal underwear and hot water bottles as we speak. | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. And when it's winter and folk's houses get flooded due to burst pipes? They've got a fucking nerve to suggest this when they've just been given a £2212 pay rise. " This is why the government are completely out of touch. | |||
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"Octupus energy are giving away electric blankets. Does that not just mean higher bills? " It's heating the person not the home | |||
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"Octupus energy are giving away electric blankets. Does that not just mean higher bills? It's heating the person not the home " Only a matter of time before somebody invents tin foil pajamas to keep warm at night.. | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .." Great idea to give little kids a hot water bottle. | |||
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 cheaper to heat and wrap up in an electric blanket than to have the heating on … £1 or £2 ponds a week | |||
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"I heard that yesterday too Tom cheaper to heat and wrap up in an electric blanket than to have the heating on … £1 or £2 ponds a week "I remember them years ago but they said use them to heat the bed before you get in then switch off | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. And when it's winter and folk's houses get flooded due to burst pipes? They've got a fucking nerve to suggest this when they've just been given a £2212 pay rise. If the government fuckers want to give out advice on how easy it is to live on a pension, then the bastards should me made to live on that amount themselves. If national minimum wage is deemed enough for the people that keep the corridors of Westminster clean, then it should be enough for the twats that make those corridors dirty. After all, it's not as if MPs have to do that job under sufferance; they spend thousands on campaigning to win the privilege of getting the position. They don't even need any special qualifications to do it! The moment that an MP or a minister of the PM complains that they're not getting enough money they should be told to fuck right off, there's millions of people in this country that can't even dream of getting that much in their wage packet." Best advice I've heard in a long time | |||
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"Octupus energy are giving away electric blankets. Does that not just mean higher bills? It's heating the person not the home Only a matter of time before somebody invents tin foil pajamas to keep warm at night.. " I wouldn't be surprised if they don't start handing out the foil blankets they wrap casualties in and they sometimes give to homeless people | |||
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"Heat the person not the home. And since your not using as much energy you can all afford some new benifit cuts and tax rises." You dont sound cynical at all! | |||
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"Heat the person not the home. And since your not using as much energy you can all afford some new benifit cuts and tax rises." Yay! | |||
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"Octupus energy are giving away electric blankets. Does that not just mean higher bills? It's heating the person not the home Only a matter of time before somebody invents tin foil pajamas to keep warm at night.. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't start handing out the foil blankets they wrap casualties in and they sometimes give to homeless people" Handing out? Don't you mean charging people to have one, and then increasing their rates on the basis that they've now got "central heating". | |||
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"Octupus energy are giving away electric blankets. Does that not just mean higher bills? It's heating the person not the home Only a matter of time before somebody invents tin foil pajamas to keep warm at night.. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't start handing out the foil blankets they wrap casualties in and they sometimes give to homeless people Handing out? Don't you mean charging people to have one, and then increasing their rates on the basis that they've now got "central heating"." | |||
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"Will fur make a comeback?" What do you think? | |||
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"Least we aren't in the Ukraine freezing and starving.... We should think ourselves lucky... And those of you on benefits think yourself lucky too they don't get what this country gets... " Wow | |||
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"my parents house we just been chopping up a shit ton of logs that they will throw in the burner to heat up the house / rooms ... I love staying at my folks as with the log fire going it really gets the house/rooms connected toasty " However burning of self collected logs from woodland is shortly to be made illegal. Not sure of the exact date but apparently the government intention is that "by 2023" it will be illegal to burn wood that has not been certified as "dried out". I suppose it might be possible to store your logs in your barn for the necessary five years or so and then cross the palm with silver of some government appointed inspector, but more likely you will be forced to buy pre-certified fuel from a tory owned company. Once again the poorest being screwed, when they are not even allowed to collect logs for burning to keep warm. | |||
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"Yes it makes sense. Layers of clothes and bedsocks are key. You can also wear a wooly hat around the house when the ears get cold. Not ideal for those who like to wear less but the cheapest option in these crazy times." Nice to know that we are living back in the 1850's. With the difference that the wealthiest now have riches beyond the wildest dreams of the Dickensian ruling classes, and instead of having philanthropists who try to improve the lot of those at the bottom, we now have oligarchs who don't even see the majority of the poor and stamp on the faces of any that do come to their attention. | |||
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"Octupus energy are giving away electric blankets. Does that not just mean higher bills? " Are they good for those with diabetes? | |||
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"I'm glad that the government have unpaid advocates out there, mindlessly promoting reduction in living standards as admirable. It's shameful work, but someone's got to do it. All the freezing hungry children who can no longer swim in the rivers filled with shit will understand - horses have to be kept warm, corruption has to continue. Isn't Brexit Britain glorious?" Dont bring brexit in to it. These bastards have skinned us dry for decades not just since brexit! | |||
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" More shared bodily warmth??? ...Such a wasted and untapped energy resource "More orgies will keep us all warm | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. Is this a serious question? You dry them inside, preferably in a ventilated room. Same for damp, in the summer open windows and ventilation will help remove moisture. How do you dry clothes in the winter? Surely not with a tumble dryer?" This is a very serious question, and one that the owners of tumble dryer are not going to understand. I am lucky, have sun (if it's a sunny day) most of the day so my clothes can dry easily-ish. It does take longer in winter, and creates dampness that needs heating. | |||
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"I'm glad that the government have unpaid advocates out there, mindlessly promoting reduction in living standards as admirable. It's shameful work, but someone's got to do it. All the freezing hungry children who can no longer swim in the rivers filled with shit will understand - horses have to be kept warm, corruption has to continue. Isn't Brexit Britain glorious? Dont bring brexit in to it. These bastards have skinned us dry for decades not just since brexit! " Ah, but Brexit means a reduction in oversight and regulation from outside, handing more power to the bastards. For example, the amount of your utility bill that goes to paying the fines for dumping shit into the river. The Europeans can no longer go after the UK for it because of Brexit. Brexit Britain: companies dumping shit into the waterways, consumers paying their fines, the government lying about it. Then the government cucks blaming other ordinary people for it. | |||
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"and the fact that we are an island and sea power is woefully under invested." Sea power generation is currently woeful, full stop | |||
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"Everyone was happy when the government were handing out cash like it was going out of fashion to keep the country afloat. Now we have to pay it back, everyone is pissed.. A pandemic that closed down the world economy for 2 years and a war in Eastern Europe has just finished it off.. This is not a UK economic crisis, its a world crisis. Don't know what people expect, the cupboards bare and the country has an eye watering debt that needs repaying and a health service that needs a massive cash investment to get the backlog cleared. 25 years of poor investment in our energy systems has left us exposed to external fuel price influences.. Just be thankful we aren't in Germany, at least when the pipeline from Russia gets shut, we will still have gas. " You're right, well put | |||
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"and the fact that we are an island and sea power is woefully under invested." We lead the world in the technology too. It's a huge area being completely ignored | |||
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"erm, how do we dry our washing, when it's damp outside? What about fending off the damp patches and preventing mould. This bugger lurks in the back of the kick boards and wardrobes too. Is this a serious question? You dry them inside, preferably in a ventilated room. Same for damp, in the summer open windows and ventilation will help remove moisture. How do you dry clothes in the winter? Surely not with a tumble dryer? This is a very serious question, and one that the owners of tumble dryer are not going to understand. I am lucky, have sun (if it's a sunny day) most of the day so my clothes can dry easily-ish. It does take longer in winter, and creates dampness that needs heating. " Not entirely no. Ventilation yes and a little bit of heat but not excessive heat. | |||
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"Those guys and gals who were gluing themselves to the ramps of the M25 are not looking so daft now are they? The same people they wanted to lock up and ban that type of demonstration. If only the government had listened to what they were saying we might be in a better position." Didn't realise their's was a global cause and all the world's other governments didn't listen either | |||
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"and the fact that we are an island and sea power is woefully under invested. We lead the world in the technology too. It's a huge area being completely ignored "It might look like a 'no brainer' but people with brains have probably seen tons of sea washed up on beaches after storms and realised that it will probably clog up turbines and even wave power systems very easily.That could be one reason the technology hasn't taken off. Tides can be very strong in some areas but not every day in the lunar month. | |||
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"and the fact that we are an island and sea power is woefully under invested. We lead the world in the technology too. It's a huge area being completely ignored
It might look like a 'no brainer' but people with brains have probably seen tons of sea washed up on beaches after storms and realised that it will probably clog up turbines and even wave power systems very easily.That could be one reason the technology hasn't taken off. Tides can be very strong in some areas but not every day in the lunar month."I reckon they'll have thought of that though. | |||
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"my parents house we just been chopping up a shit ton of logs that they will throw in the burner to heat up the house / rooms ... I love staying at my folks as with the log fire going it really gets the house/rooms connected toasty However burning of self collected logs from woodland is shortly to be made illegal. Not sure of the exact date but apparently the government intention is that "by 2023" it will be illegal to burn wood that has not been certified as "dried out". I suppose it might be possible to store your logs in your barn for the necessary five years or so and then cross the palm with silver of some government appointed inspector, but more likely you will be forced to buy pre-certified fuel from a tory owned company. Once again the poorest being screwed, when they are not even allowed to collect logs for burning to keep warm." Wood is from own trees fell down in garden Tbh they have very minimal way of enforcing the checks regardless anyway Csnt see them flying around lookjng for chimney smoke and sending people door to door asking to see the wood | |||
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"Kids should be sat under a heated blanket in silence. No playing with toys or learning how to socialise. Keep warm." We've got our kid operating a dynamo system. The more she runs round the hamster wheel, the warmer she is AND she generates power for our bedroom heater. Win win, I'd say | |||
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"my parents house we just been chopping up a shit ton of logs that they will throw in the burner to heat up the house / rooms ... I love staying at my folks as with the log fire going it really gets the house/rooms connected toasty However burning of self collected logs from woodland is shortly to be made illegal. Not sure of the exact date but apparently the government intention is that "by 2023" it will be illegal to burn wood that has not been certified as "dried out". I suppose it might be possible to store your logs in your barn for the necessary five years or so and then cross the palm with silver of some government appointed inspector, but more likely you will be forced to buy pre-certified fuel from a tory owned company. Once again the poorest being screwed, when they are not even allowed to collect logs for burning to keep warm." They can pry my own sourced logs out of my cold dead hands. | |||
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"Kids should be sat under a heated blanket in silence. No playing with toys or learning how to socialise. Keep warm. We've got our kid operating a dynamo system. The more she runs round the hamster wheel, the warmer she is AND she generates power for our bedroom heater. Win win, I'd say "Chuck your washing in with her and you have a cheap n cheerful dryer.  | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .. And when it's winter and folk's houses get flooded due to burst pipes? They've got a fucking nerve to suggest this when they've just been given a £2212 pay rise. " exactly right. They made sure they're alright didn't they. | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. " This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston | |||
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"Government advice... Does it make sense ? Why heat a home when the person in the home can keep warm One tip. Hot water bottle in a sleeping bag.. Toastie .." It was not government advice...more like a guide from Martin Lewis for folks who can't afford the increased energy prices.... | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston " .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston " I've seen way too many stories disproving this sort of hypothesis. Most recent one, I'm paraphrasing from a US post "I grew up on food stamps and got parcels of clothes and presents from charity to keep myself going. I joined the military to have my education paid for. If I can succeed in life with no help from anyone, so can you!" Too many people think that their suffering is special suffering, the help they got doesn't count, and everyone else is lazy, because reasons.  | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston I've seen way too many stories disproving this sort of hypothesis. Most recent one, I'm paraphrasing from a US post "I grew up on food stamps and got parcels of clothes and presents from charity to keep myself going. I joined the military to have my education paid for. If I can succeed in life with no help from anyone, so can you!" Too many people think that their suffering is special suffering, the help they got doesn't count, and everyone else is lazy, because reasons. "But they didn't grow up with no help if they received food parcels and clothes from charity. How can our elected representatives truly represent us if most of them have never experienced the way huge numbers live? | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston I've seen way too many stories disproving this sort of hypothesis. Most recent one, I'm paraphrasing from a US post "I grew up on food stamps and got parcels of clothes and presents from charity to keep myself going. I joined the military to have my education paid for. If I can succeed in life with no help from anyone, so can you!" Too many people think that their suffering is special suffering, the help they got doesn't count, and everyone else is lazy, because reasons.
But they didn't grow up with no help if they received food parcels and clothes from charity.
How can our elected representatives truly represent us if most of them have never experienced the way huge numbers live? "I know they didn't, but they believe they did, and so they want these things abolished for other people. They deserved food stamps but hungry children today are lazy and greedy, etc. I don't know, and I agree with the principle. I just think it wouldn't work, because this kind of thinking is way too prevalent. "I got my due now **** you" | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless "Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job. Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience. Armed forces minister who's never served. The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no. Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision. Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live. My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut.. I'm off for a lay down......
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston I've seen way too many stories disproving this sort of hypothesis. Most recent one, I'm paraphrasing from a US post "I grew up on food stamps and got parcels of clothes and presents from charity to keep myself going. I joined the military to have my education paid for. If I can succeed in life with no help from anyone, so can you!" Too many people think that their suffering is special suffering, the help they got doesn't count, and everyone else is lazy, because reasons.
But they didn't grow up with no help if they received food parcels and clothes from charity.
How can our elected representatives truly represent us if most of them have never experienced the way huge numbers live?
I know they didn't, but they believe they did, and so they want these things abolished for other people. They deserved food stamps but hungry children today are lazy and greedy, etc.
I don't know, and I agree with the principle. I just think it wouldn't work, because this kind of thinking is way too prevalent. "I got my due now **** you""Yes, I understand why you say that. If we continue as we are with most of the people in government not really understanding the struggles a lot of people experience then things will remain the same and I honestly believe that the majority want that. Most likely that's down to the mindset you describe. | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless
Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job.
Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience.
Armed forces minister who's never served.
The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no.
Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision.
Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live.
My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut..
I'm off for a lay down......
Winston"Have another whiff of oxygen and put a cold flannel on your forehead | |||
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless
Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job.
Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience.
Armed forces minister who's never served.
The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no.
Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision.
Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live.
My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut..
I'm off for a lay down......
Winston
Have another whiff of oxygen and put a cold flannel on your forehead "Thank you nurse.
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless
Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job.
Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience.
Armed forces minister who's never served.
The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no.
Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision.
Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live.
My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut..
I'm off for a lay down......
Winston
Have another whiff of oxygen and put a cold flannel on your forehead
Thank you nurse.
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless
Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job.
Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience.
Armed forces minister who's never served.
The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no.
Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision.
Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live.
My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut..
I'm off for a lay down......
Winston
Have another whiff of oxygen and put a cold flannel on your forehead
Thank you nurse.
Winston
I'm in the private sector now that's the last free advice you're getting from me..."Different uniform? 
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless
Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job.
Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience.
Armed forces minister who's never served.
The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no.
Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision.
Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live.
My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut..
I'm off for a lay down......
Winston
Have another whiff of oxygen and put a cold flannel on your forehead
Thank you nurse.
Winston
I'm in the private sector now that's the last free advice you're getting from me...
Different uniform?
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"I've said this many times I think it should be mandatory for all MPs not just those in ministerial positions to live in rented accommodation on minimum wage with their family. They should use the NHS only for medical problems for all of them and have no access to help unless it was through the regular channels. I think it would be especially useful if they were required to do this from October to March. This. So much this. "Things" would soon change if they had to live like this for a couple of years. Not like the grandstanding twat a few years ago who said he could live on benefits and sleep on the streets, who proved his point by living on the streets. For one fecking night. Wrapped up in his Harrods duck down quilt. Prick. Winston .
I'm at the stage now where I just laugh at everything "they" say. Not in a "look at me I laugh in the face of authority" way but because I genuinely think the current set of ministers is so far out of touch that it's nonsensical. I don't think it's genuinely funny either, I find it worrying that it's reached the stage where I have absolutely no respect for the people in government or their actions.
When we communicate with our MP who does some good work sometimes, he just replies with the same old excuses that are being trotted out from No 10. For the first time in my life I feel powerless
Being politician in charge of a department has to be the only job in the world that requires no qualifications or experience to do the job.
Chance or of the Exchequer who has not accounting qualification or experience.
Armed forces minister who's never served.
The list goes on. Apparently they don't need qualifications as there's a whole team of people advising who DO have those qualifications. All the man at the top needs is the authority to say yes or no.
Feck that, he needs to understand the consequences of that yes/no decision.
Politicians of all party's appear to be nothing more than self-serving, out of touch fuckwits, with not the slightest grasp of how every day people live.
My local politician...... complete and utter duplicitous, lying, thieving cnut..
I'm off for a lay down......
Winston
Have another whiff of oxygen and put a cold flannel on your forehead
Thank you nurse.
Winston
I'm in the private sector now that's the last free advice you're getting from me...
Different uniform?
Winston
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"It's how we lived when I was a boy. No central heating existed then" It's how most of us over a certain age lived Tom. I really don't want to go back to those days though | |||
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"Everyone just needs to buy a duvet like the one I'm under now, I'm absolutely roasted! " I'm under a fur (faux) throw so I'm nice and warm | |||
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"Everyone just needs to buy a duvet like the one I'm under now, I'm absolutely roasted! I'm under a fur (faux) throw so I'm nice and warm" I think it's my age too mind | |||
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"It's how we lived when I was a boy. No central heating existed then" There was also massive amounts of child morbidity, a life expectancy of about 50 and cancer was an immediate death sentence… | |||
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"It's how we lived when I was a boy. No central heating existed then There was also massive amounts of child morbidity, a life expectancy of about 50 and cancer was an immediate death sentence…" Ah! The good old days | |||
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"It's how we lived when I was a boy. No central heating existed then There was also massive amounts of child morbidity, a life expectancy of about 50 and cancer was an immediate death sentence… Ah! The good old days "I think we look back at the "good old days" through rose tinted glasses. An age where we were less stressed, less pressured, more innocent. No social media, where we lived in smaller communities, with real community spirit and everyone knew their neighbours. What we forget is the trade off. As the previous poster mentioned, massive child morbidity, a life expectancy of around 50 and things like measles, mumps, polio were rife and treatments were unheard off. Yin and Yang. Winston | |||
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"I don't have a problem with what they've said as it obviously makes sense.... It's how they've gone about it that jars a bit. People in dire straits of heat or eat - don't worry love just pop an extra vest on that tiny baby of yours. "Yep. It totally dismisses people's worries and concerns. | |||
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"Insulate Britain have a point." They do and the guy who super glued his face to the road made it very well | |||
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"Insulate Britain have a point." Where they justified ? | |||
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"Insulate Britain have a point. Where they justified ?" And ancient. | |||
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"It's how we lived when I was a boy. No central heating existed then" Ye it's how I lived too. Oh the joy of waking up and frost on the inside of the windows,damp rooms, impossible to get clothes dry in winter,wearing coats in bed to try and stay warm, being rushed to hospital because I had asthma attacks because of the damp in the house Oh ye the good old days
No one in this day and age should have to worry about the basics like keeping your house warm and damp free in winter or worrying about where their next meal is coming from. It's ridiculous that it's coming to this again for so many. And I know I sure as hell don't want to go back to the "good" old days because there was very little that was good about them especially in colder weather. | |||
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"It's how we lived when I was a boy. No central heating existed then Ye it's how I lived too. Oh the joy of waking up and frost on the inside of the windows,damp rooms, impossible to get clothes dry in winter,wearing coats in bed to try and stay warm, being rushed to hospital because I had asthma attacks because of the damp in the house Oh ye the good old days
No one in this day and age should have to worry about the basics like keeping your house warm and damp free in winter or worrying about where their next meal is coming from. It's ridiculous that it's coming to this again for so many. And I know I sure as hell don't want to go back to the "good" old days because there was very little that was good about them especially in colder weather. "To be fair it killed off lots of insects and bugs .. | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ?" The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear?" No | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear?" What do these fuckers actually want ? | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ?" I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. " Or the media are twisting their very clear and simple message. Their objective is literally in the name, they don't need to think one up. | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. Or the media are twisting their very clear and simple message. Their objective is literally in the name, they don't need to think one up. " The point I was clumsily making is that the likes of Tom and I don't actually know what they're trying to achieve. They want to insulate Britain. Where can I find out how they would like this done, what buildings they want insulated, how they propose it's paid for, what kind of insulation they want used...that kind of thing? The average person in the street such as myself isn't going to seek this information out and I personally don't think insulate Britain are getting their message across very well. If they wanted to get me on board, they failed | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. Or the media are twisting their very clear and simple message. Their objective is literally in the name, they don't need to think one up. The point I was clumsily making is that the likes of Tom and I don't actually know what they're trying to achieve. They want to insulate Britain. Where can I find out how they would like this done, what buildings they want insulated, how they propose it's paid for, what kind of insulation they want used...that kind of thing? The average person in the street such as myself isn't going to seek this information out and I personally don't think insulate Britain are getting their message across very well. If they wanted to get me on board, they failed" They're very clear in the information they publish themselves. Unfortunately they have little control over the information published by where the majority of the population get their information from. Their methods might be extreme but it gets people talking. Most people have heard of them, some will Google them and find their website or social media. The alternative is often just quietly shouting into a void unfortunately. | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. Or the media are twisting their very clear and simple message. Their objective is literally in the name, they don't need to think one up. The point I was clumsily making is that the likes of Tom and I don't actually know what they're trying to achieve. They want to insulate Britain. Where can I find out how they would like this done, what buildings they want insulated, how they propose it's paid for, what kind of insulation they want used...that kind of thing? The average person in the street such as myself isn't going to seek this information out and I personally don't think insulate Britain are getting their message across very well. If they wanted to get me on board, they failed They're very clear in the information they publish themselves. Unfortunately they have little control over the information published by where the majority of the population get their information from. Their methods might be extreme but it gets people talking. Most people have heard of them, some will Google them and find their website or social media. The alternative is often just quietly shouting into a void unfortunately. " They certainly did get people talking. I don't respond well to the way they make their point. Personally I think they pissed more people off than they got on side. Most of us know that for ecological and financial reasons we need to be insulating our homes and relying less on fossil fuel, forcing us to sit on the motorway missing work and vital appointments isn't the way to encourage us to do it more quickly | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. " I don't think most of them had an objective apart from stir up trouble. | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. ... " A guy came knocking several days ago trying to sell me cavity wall insulation. I told him I don't want it as it stops the warmth from the sun on my outside brickwork from coming through into the house. He had no answer to that! | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. Or the media are twisting their very clear and simple message. Their objective is literally in the name, they don't need to think one up. " Exactly. People can choose to be ignorant and seek not to understand anything, but unless you literally don’t understand those words the meaning is crystal clear. | |||
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"Not sure what this group wanted. Their message is not clear ? The message ‘Insulate Britain’ is not clear? What do these fuckers actually want ? I don't know what their main aims are. I guess they want all of Britain's homes to be insulated. The fact that neither you nor I have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve means to me that either they aren't putting their message across clearly or they're communicating it in a way that alienates people so they aren't listening or they don't actually have a clear objective and are gluing themselves to motorways while they think one up. Or the media are twisting their very clear and simple message. Their objective is literally in the name, they don't need to think one up. Exactly. People can choose to be ignorant and seek not to understand anything, but unless you literally don’t understand those words the meaning is crystal clear." It's clear that they want to insulate Britain. The methods they are using to encourage me to find out why are not achieving the desired effect. I understand why they want homes insulated, I realise that it's a matter of urgency that our homes use less fossil fuel to heat them, I'm doing the best I can with the resources I have available to me. How are their methods of bringing this to my attention going to help me to help them achieve their aims? | |||
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"How much changes through polite, convenient request? Well behaved women rarely make history and all of that." I don't doubt that future generations will look back and criticise the likes of me. However as I said I'm doing the best I can. | |||
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"How much changes through polite, convenient request? Well behaved women rarely make history and all of that. I don't doubt that future generations will look back and criticise the likes of me. However as I said I'm doing the best I can. " We all are. And I'm not criticising anyone, sorry. Just sort of going, how do you get someone to listen? Being polite tends to be ignored on this level | |||
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"How much changes through polite, convenient request? Well behaved women rarely make history and all of that. I don't doubt that future generations will look back and criticise the likes of me. However as I said I'm doing the best I can. We all are. And I'm not criticising anyone, sorry. Just sort of going, how do you get someone to listen? Being polite tends to be ignored on this level" I agree but alienating people you want on your side doesn't work either. In my opinion it's a case of approaching the problem from many sides. Education, advice, help, protest, lead by example etc | |||
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"How much changes through polite, convenient request? Well behaved women rarely make history and all of that. I don't doubt that future generations will look back and criticise the likes of me. However as I said I'm doing the best I can. We all are. And I'm not criticising anyone, sorry. Just sort of going, how do you get someone to listen? Being polite tends to be ignored on this level I agree but alienating people you want on your side doesn't work either. In my opinion it's a case of approaching the problem from many sides. Education, advice, help, protest, lead by example etc" My suspicion is that this is a similar line of argument that's been made about most of the protest movements that have led to rights we now take for granted. I get why you're saying it, and I say this with no disrespect intended. | |||
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"How much changes through polite, convenient request? Well behaved women rarely make history and all of that. I don't doubt that future generations will look back and criticise the likes of me. However as I said I'm doing the best I can. We all are. And I'm not criticising anyone, sorry. Just sort of going, how do you get someone to listen? Being polite tends to be ignored on this level I agree but alienating people you want on your side doesn't work either. In my opinion it's a case of approaching the problem from many sides. Education, advice, help, protest, lead by example etc My suspicion is that this is a similar line of argument that's been made about most of the protest movements that have led to rights we now take for granted. I get why you're saying it, and I say this with no disrespect intended." I don't think you are disrespectful .
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"How much changes through polite, convenient request? Well behaved women rarely make history and all of that. I don't doubt that future generations will look back and criticise the likes of me. However as I said I'm doing the best I can. " Their criticism isn't of you, it's of central government. There's only so much individuals can do and many greener methods of all sorts of things are unaffordable for many, especially in the current economic climate which is why central government need to make changes in order to make progress with environmental issues. | |||
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"These eco warrior types are more concerned with the environment than letting innocent people get on with their lives. These organisations should be banned immediately and every member questioned by the authorities. If they have no membership list then those believed to be associated with the group should be rounded up and questioned. They have in the main been radicalised at university by these lefty types and they should be all offered de-radicalisation therapy...." I'm delighted we all live in a free, open, diverse society that capitalises on the strengths of different views, rather than stagnating and withering with just one. | |||
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