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"Did the cyclist really need to dive into the ditch. Surely that could have caused injury .." Did they dive or did they fall due to the wind and shock from the speeding landrover? | |||
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"The Northampton Chief of Police has fined a landrover driver after a cyclist deliberately filmed him on a head cam. The video circling has gone viral. I cannot see how the landrover could of driven any closer to his left. The lane was so narrow that one cyclist toppled into the ditch. Is this Justice?" yes ! Some are absolutely dangerously vile to us | |||
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"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
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"Watch the video, cyclist falls off when they run into the back of first of 3 cycles. 3rd one in group busy make hand gestures to the vehicle, Car was too fast, but cyclist fell into ditch of their own fault " I agree. I think the cyclist lost balance due to others slowing down. The Land Rover driver was way to fast and should have slowed down. | |||
"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
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"The Northampton Chief of Police has fined a landrover driver after a cyclist deliberately filmed him on a head cam. The video circling has gone viral. I cannot see how the landrover could of driven any closer to his left. The lane was so narrow that one cyclist toppled into the ditch. Is this Justice?" It is justice, and it couldn't be more justice than if the policeman himself stuff on the Land Rover roof with a billowing cape whilst being filmed from below puffing his chest out with his arm crossed. These Land Rover owners know their time is up. | |||
"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
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"You realise that the driver plead guilty to the offence, after initially pleading not guilty and claiming he slowed down? Deserves his fine. Driving like a tool, got caught, tough shit! " Perhaps he slowed from 70 to 50 | |||
"I think the jury had their mind swayed because of the cyclist who fell into the ditch which as a previous poster said. Was because she had bicycle clips on. The lesson here. Never ride too close to the cycle in front. Anticipate Anticipate Anticipate. The two second rule applies to cyclists too ... " yeah pack riding is dangerous but fun | |||
"Did the cyclist really need to dive into the ditch. Surely that could have caused injury .. Did they dive or did they fall due to the wind and shock from the speeding landrover? " We need var to sort it out | |||
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"You realise that the driver plead guilty to the offence, after initially pleading not guilty and claiming he slowed down? Deserves his fine. Driving like a tool, got caught, tough shit! Perhaps he slowed from 70 to 50" It wasn’t me then, my old Landy only does 40, maybe goes a little faster but imagine the steering gets even more vague  | |||
"I think the jury had their mind swayed because of the cyclist who fell into the ditch which as a previous poster said. Was because she had bicycle clips on. The lesson here. Never ride too close to the cycle in front. Anticipate Anticipate Anticipate. The two second rule applies to cyclists too ... yeah pack riding is dangerous but fun " Maybe best left to the professionals in the veledrome and not on a unclassified single track road .. | |||
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"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine" Do they have insurance? Is it sensible to have your feet clipped in when you might have to slow down / stop? I'd argue the cyclist wasn't showing due care and attention after riding into the bike in front... Still... Good that the police service got involved.. I mean there's not much else they could be doing. | |||
"I think the jury had their mind swayed because of the cyclist who fell into the ditch which as a previous poster said. Was because she had bicycle clips on. The lesson here. Never ride too close to the cycle in front. Anticipate Anticipate Anticipate. The two second rule applies to cyclists too ... " I wonder if the guilty plead also swayed the jury... (Was there even a jury?) Did the cyclist get rear ended ? | |||
"I think the jury had their mind swayed because of the cyclist who fell into the ditch which as a previous poster said. Was because she had bicycle clips on. The lesson here. Never ride too close to the cycle in front. Anticipate Anticipate Anticipate. The two second rule applies to cyclists too ... I wonder if the guilty plead also swayed the jury... (Was there even a jury?) Did the cyclist get rear ended ?" I’ve searched out articles, he was fined by a magistrate’s court. No jury. | |||
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"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine" I did my cycling and proficiency test at school on my rally winner | |||
"Did the cyclist really need to dive into the ditch. Surely that could have caused injury .." Have just watched it a couple of times now and the land rover was going to fast, but the reason the cyclist bailed was cos she was clipped into her pedals. When she stopped she didn’t unclip fast enough so couldn’t put her feet down. This is a common thing when riding this kind of bike. | |||
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"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine Do they have insurance? Is it sensible to have your feet clipped in when you might have to slow down / stop? I'd argue the cyclist wasn't showing due care and attention after riding into the bike in front... Still... Good that the police service got involved.. I mean there's not much else they could be doing. " SPD pedals are quick release and super safe | |||
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"Good Time to get these polluting Chelsea tractors off the road " It's a Defender on a rural road, that's like the total opposite of a Chelsea tractor | |||
"Not sure why I'm bothering on a Tom thread, but I will actually say what I think of the incident now I have googled it. The van was going too fast. And the cyclists panicked. A combination of both lead to the fall. The cyclists were clearly not going fast or riding too close to each other, or the one at the back who had time to turn round to watch the car speed off would have rear ended the others. The cyclist who fell off was clearly trying to give too much space, and if she had stayed out a little more, to the level of the 3rd cyclist who was filming, they would not have fallen. It's interesting that all the Highway Code talk has been about space, and the car couldn't have given more space without leaving the road, however I'm sure the wind rush as he passed, in combination with the middle cyclist not giving themselves any safety net. Going slower would obviously have helped, but so would having more confidence on the bike. If you have time to show instruction, gesticulate, and look behind you, you have time to prepare yourself for them being too close also. I give the motorist a D for basically doing the bare minimum, i.e. move over to his edge. I give the lead cyclist a B, they left room for themselves and didn't panic, but they maybe slowed to much, causing an issue for the cyclist behind them. The one who fell off a C-, not having the confidence or skills to perform a safe stop, unclip at speed, putting themselves in danger by not anticipating that if they ride 1" from the verge, they will be in it when the wind hits them. The rear cyclist a C, if you can stick the bird up as they ass, you're not helping, nor are you in danger. That's my take " Eminently sensible... Although from the video still cant work out if headcam lady drives into ditch ladies rear... Interesting the police described it thus... "The moment was captured by one of the cyclist's helmet cameras during the incident in June last year. Northamptonshire Police called the incident a "reckless overtaking manoeuvre." There is another view too...when on a single track road, pull over and let the big metal thing coming towards you pass before continuing safely on your journey. Not sure continuing to cycle towards a car is very sensible either. Surely if she loses balance from a car doing 30 or whatever speed it was she isn't safe to be on the road. Hope shes back in the saddle now anyway and wiser from the experience. | |||
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"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
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" Eminently sensible... Although from the video still cant work out if headcam lady drives into ditch ladies rear... Interesting the police described it thus... "The moment was captured by one of the cyclist's helmet cameras during the incident in June last year. Northamptonshire Police called the incident a "reckless overtaking manoeuvre." There is another view too...when on a single track road, pull over and let the big metal thing coming towards you pass before continuing safely on your journey. Not sure continuing to cycle towards a car is very sensible either. Surely if she loses balance from a car doing 30 or whatever speed it was she isn't safe to be on the road. Hope shes back in the saddle now anyway and wiser from the experience. " I do a lot of cycling on country roads like that in the Peak District, and have to dodge tractors, motorcycles, all sorts. There's a line between doing what the Highway Code says you should, which often relies on the others doing the same, or discretion being the better part of valour, and stopping even though it is your right of way some times for example. I feel for the cyclists, what we can't really see is if it is windy or not which would add to the jeopardy. Also, we can clearly see that there is no verge, just a ditch, and no passing place, and what may not be obvious to many is that riding your bike, and it being vertical, takes less space than being stationary. If they had stopped, they would all use their left left to stand at the edge, pushing the bikes further into the road than if they were riding them. Ultimately, while I don't like to criticise a cyclist when they have been put into a tricky situation, I do feel they handled it badly, and that Mr NVBN has it right in that making it more difficult for the vehicle would have been safer, but it takes balls for 3 women to potentially rile a motorist up by forcing them to stop by riding in the centre of the lane. No winners in that situation, a more sensible driver, and a more confident cyclist would have just passes each other without causing any issues. | |||
" Eminently sensible... Although from the video still cant work out if headcam lady drives into ditch ladies rear... Interesting the police described it thus... "The moment was captured by one of the cyclist's helmet cameras during the incident in June last year. Northamptonshire Police called the incident a "reckless overtaking manoeuvre." There is another view too...when on a single track road, pull over and let the big metal thing coming towards you pass before continuing safely on your journey. Not sure continuing to cycle towards a car is very sensible either. Surely if she loses balance from a car doing 30 or whatever speed it was she isn't safe to be on the road. Hope shes back in the saddle now anyway and wiser from the experience. I do a lot of cycling on country roads like that in the Peak District, and have to dodge tractors, motorcycles, all sorts. There's a line between doing what the Highway Code says you should, which often relies on the others doing the same, or discretion being the better part of valour, and stopping even though it is your right of way some times for example. I feel for the cyclists, what we can't really see is if it is windy or not which would add to the jeopardy. Also, we can clearly see that there is no verge, just a ditch, and no passing place, and what may not be obvious to many is that riding your bike, and it being vertical, takes less space than being stationary. If they had stopped, they would all use their left left to stand at the edge, pushing the bikes further into the road than if they were riding them. Ultimately, while I don't like to criticise a cyclist when they have been put into a tricky situation, I do feel they handled it badly, and that Mr NVBN has it right in that making it more difficult for the vehicle would have been safer, but it takes balls for 3 women to potentially rile a motorist up by forcing them to stop by riding in the centre of the lane. No winners in that situation, a more sensible driver, and a more confident cyclist would have just passes each other without causing any issues. " Yep and there's the issue. The driver has been dealt with and you'd like to think being fined and also named and shamed he will do it differently next time . But the cyclist, (who using the same video evidence can be seen, unable to maintain her balance) has apparently not had to do anything to get back on her bike. If we want to keep all road users safe then shouldn't all cyclists need a basic minimum of testing and competence too?... End of the day she got a muddy helmet and a bruised ego but if she'd lost her balance the other way it could have been much worse. I'm all for riding a bike, scooter, whatever but do it armed with competence and road safety awareness. | |||
" Yep and there's the issue. The driver has been dealt with and you'd like to think being fined and also named and shamed he will do it differently next time . But the cyclist, (who using the same video evidence can be seen, unable to maintain her balance) has apparently not had to do anything to get back on her bike. If we want to keep all road users safe then shouldn't all cyclists need a basic minimum of testing and competence too?... End of the day she got a muddy helmet and a bruised ego but if she'd lost her balance the other way it could have been much worse. I'm all for riding a bike, scooter, whatever but do it armed with competence and road safety awareness. " Generally speaking, the bigger the danger you may be, the more competence you need to show. It's why you can ride a bicycle without a license, why you can ride a moped on a provisional, drive a car with a car license, need a full access motorcycle to ride anything more than 125cc, need advanced driving t drive a lorry and so on. Generally speaking, the lower the chain you are able, the more you are at risk from the ones further up the chain. As a rule, in a collision between a bike and any other vehicle (not pedestrians), the biker will lose. Making the cyclist prove they are safe won't change their chances much in an incident with something bigger, faster and heaver. The only risk anyone faces in a car or can or lorry or bus from a cyclist, is one of scratched paint (to be flippant). a cyclist won't kill a driver. If this Land Rover and the bikes had collided, only the cyclists would be hurt. You can't regulate everything, or we'd be talking about needing to pass a test to use a pelican crossing next. | |||
"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
"Yes, and it’s could have, not could of. Grammar police rock… | |||
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"Under the new hirearchy of vulnerability the driver was at fault, however I think a conversation rather than a fine would have been more productive. All the fine will probably have done is make the driver more antagonist towards cyclists in the future" If he does, and after he’s been fined a few more times he might learn not to. | |||
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"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. " what about point four... He pleaded guilty due to being waterboarded. If he wasn't at fault, why didn't he stuck with a no guilty plea? If he wasn't driving too fast why did he say he slowed down ? | |||
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"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. "  is this the latest John Grisham? | |||
"... the car couldn't have given more space without leaving the road, " Bollocks. If there had been another car coming the other way would the driver have kept on? No of course not there simply isn't room to pass, he'd have pulled over into the nearest passing space or stopped and reversed back. If there isn't enough space to pass safely you stop it's really quite simple. Mr | |||
"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. what about point four... He pleaded guilty due to being waterboarded. If he wasn't at fault, why didn't he stuck with a no guilty plea? If he wasn't driving too fast why did he say he slowed down ? " Because he would have gone to court and run the risk of a higher fine and costs... Similar to all those parking fines that are given incorrectly... Pay 60 quid or take us to court... But if you do that and lose it will cost you thousands.... | |||
"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. what about point four... He pleaded guilty due to being waterboarded. If he wasn't at fault, why didn't he stuck with a no guilty plea? If he wasn't driving too fast why did he say he slowed down ? Because he would have gone to court and run the risk of a higher fine and costs... Similar to all those parking fines that are given incorrectly... Pay 60 quid or take us to court... But if you do that and lose it will cost you thousands.... " he changed his plea when he appeared at the courts.  | |||
"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. " A close family member of mine is a former magistrate in a city Court. They did a training visit to Warwick magistrates Court. Talking to their fellow magistrates it became very clear that different offences are viewed very differently depending if its a rural or city Court. So bias depending on the demographic of the magistrates seems to have been a thing. This was about 20 years ago so maybe the bias has been ironed out to some extent? But I doubt it because country folk are different from city folk. | |||
"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. A close family member of mine is a former magistrate in a city Court. They did a training visit to Warwick magistrates Court. Talking to their fellow magistrates it became very clear that different offences are viewed very differently depending if its a rural or city Court. So bias depending on the demographic of the magistrates seems to have been a thing. This was about 20 years ago so maybe the bias has been ironed out to some extent? But I doubt it because country folk are different from city folk." In a round about way you are agreeing with Essex Tom. | |||
"It's not entirely clear who is at fault here. The Land Rover was going a tadge too quick, the cyclist who fell in the ditch was the victim of her bicycle clips and nobody was hurt or injured. Had this gone to a rural court then a jury consisting of landowners and farm workers would have aquitted. A jury of city folk would have convicted. There is a third point. Is there an over zealous Chief Of Police involved here too. A close family member of mine is a former magistrate in a city Court. They did a training visit to Warwick magistrates Court. Talking to their fellow magistrates it became very clear that different offences are viewed very differently depending if its a rural or city Court. So bias depending on the demographic of the magistrates seems to have been a thing. This was about 20 years ago so maybe the bias has been ironed out to some extent? But I doubt it because country folk are different from city folk. In a round about way you are agreeing with Essex Tom. " In the general term that attitudes in City and Rural courts can be quite different. I'm not entirely sure they would have come to different conclusions over guilt but sentencing may have been different depending how flexible the sentencing guidelines are (of which I don't know). | |||
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"So why did the judge throw the book at the land rover driver in this case. It's clearly a rural road.. are there forces at work here?" i reckon it's coz he started off pleading not guilty and tried to say he slowed down. He only repented when he saw the evidence. I believe fines are % of salary so suspect the size reflects his earnings. | |||
"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
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"What's going on here.. The video speaks for itself" I suspect that's why he changed his plea! | |||
"Can I just be pedantic and say it's Land Rover not Landrover Sorry
"Unless it was a Series Land Rover. Then there would be a hyphen between the two words. | |||
"Good Time to get these polluting Chelsea tractors off the road It's a Defender on a rural road, that's like the total opposite of a Chelsea tractor "Hell yea! Beam axles rock! | |||
"Watch the video, cyclist falls off when they run into the back of first of 3 cycles. 3rd one in group busy make hand gestures to the vehicle, Car was too fast, but cyclist fell into ditch of their own fault " But were they fined for making a cyclist fall into a ditch (which I doubt is an offence in itself) or passing them dangerously (which probably is). You ha e to remember, you are meant to give cyclists the same clearance as a small car. Did the driver? | |||
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"It's a close call.. Did the land rover get too close to the cyclist or did the cyclist get too close to the land rover.. ?" imo the cyclist was riding too fast and endangered the poor land rover driver. | |||
"Looking into it, he was charged with driving without due care and attention. Initially said he slowed right down for them, so he knew what he should have done. After being shown the video, he pleaded guilty and admitted he didn't slow. The fact she fell off the bike, or had it recorded means nothing, it's clear that he didn't pass with due care, so the fine is... fine. The police spokesperson said: "Drivers should always try to give cyclists and other vulnerable road users at least 1.5m of space and pass slowly. In this instance, on this road, that would not be possible. On this occasion, the correct thing to do would have been to come to a stop to allow the cyclists to pass safely. It takes a couple of seconds and then everyone can continue their journey in safety."" Cyclists are not horses and nobody was hurt. What's going on here guys ? | |||
"I class myself as a cyclist tho I do drive and am "into"cars too. First off their was loads of space in that video. I think she fell because the rider in front stopped to protest. I have an issue with all these cameras too. People trying to get people! Like I say I class myself as a cyclist. Ride to work and for pleasure. I hate other cyclists attitude though. In my mind buses, lorries and cars rule the roads. I watch for them. In over 30 years riding on the roads I've not had an incident so my way works for me so far. Yes road users need to be careful for cyclist but clyclists need to stop the attention seeking. Rant over " Umm nope! There was not lots of space! The land-rover shd have stopped! Manners is all it takes! Both ways! X | |||
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"The land rover was as far left on the tarmac as he could go.. It was a single track unclassified road... Why are cyclists on it and why are they filming? " Because they have cams on their helmets for safety? And why in the world would they not b on a road? They are just as entitled to be as the land-rover?? And if he was as far left as he could b and not room to pass safely then he shd have stopped and waited like any other decent road user! X | |||
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"I class myself as a cyclist tho I do drive and am "into"cars too. First off their was loads of space in that video. I think she fell because the rider in front stopped to protest. I have an issue with all these cameras too. People trying to get people! Like I say I class myself as a cyclist. Ride to work and for pleasure. I hate other cyclists attitude though. In my mind buses, lorries and cars rule the roads. I watch for them. In over 30 years riding on the roads I've not had an incident so my way works for me so far. Yes road users need to be careful for cyclist but clyclists need to stop the attention seeking. Rant over Umm nope! There was not lots of space! The land-rover shd have stopped! Manners is all it takes! Both ways! X" Up where I live roads like this are full of cyclists every weekend. If you stopped for every cyclist you'd not get anywhere. The cyclist in the video was wearing clipped in pedals. When the rider infront stopped the second rider couldn't get her foot down and fell off. Clipped in pedals are great aslong as you don't get a surprise and have to pt your foot down in a hurry | |||
"The land rover was as far left on the tarmac as he could go.. It was a single track unclassified road... Why are cyclists on it and why are they filming? Because they have cams on their helmets for safety? And why in the world would they not b on a road? They are just as entitled to be as the land-rover?? And if he was as far left as he could b and not room to pass safely then he shd have stopped and waited like any other decent road user! X" The bikes could have stopped also | |||
"The land rover was as far left on the tarmac as he could go.. It was a single track unclassified road... Why are cyclists on it and why are they filming? Because they have cams on their helmets for safety? And why in the world would they not b on a road? They are just as entitled to be as the land-rover?? And if he was as far left as he could b and not room to pass safely then he shd have stopped and waited like any other decent road user! X The bikes could have stopped also" I actually think the leading rider caused all the bother. Why stop? Too protest most likely | |||
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". She fell because her feet were attached to the pedals which I find daft. Gravity was not her friend that day. " As a roadie, lorry driver, car, driver and ex motorbike owner. I have a varied experience on the roads. I've only spent 10 minutes on a horse If this was three horses, then the LR driver would/could/should have stopped, as they are kinder to horses than peasants on cycles, even if the bikes cost more than the horses or 2nd cars So the LR could have stopped, let them pass and carried on, but didn't As for clipless pedals, if you've ever been skiing, it's where they originated from (French manufacturer LOOK, early 80s). Being clipped in is much more efficient than just pushing down on the pedals, this means both legs can PULL up on the pedal strokes, save on muscle fatigue and increase power out put. They take months of riding, before they become second nature and like horse riding, this balance/falling phobia can only be mastered on the roads. Cyclists are equally as vulnerable as horses, yet those who hate cyclists would never treat hoerse like this and they know it. The people who make the laws tend to have horses and cars, or alt least have a lot of friends who do. | |||
"Looking into it, he was charged with driving without due care and attention. Initially said he slowed right down for them, so he knew what he should have done. After being shown the video, he pleaded guilty and admitted he didn't slow. The fact she fell off the bike, or had it recorded means nothing, it's clear that he didn't pass with due care, so the fine is... fine. The police spokesperson said: "Drivers should always try to give cyclists and other vulnerable road users at least 1.5m of space and pass slowly. In this instance, on this road, that would not be possible. On this occasion, the correct thing to do would have been to come to a stop to allow the cyclists to pass safely. It takes a couple of seconds and then everyone can continue their journey in safety." Cyclists are not horses and nobody was hurt. What's going on here guys ?" Yes, obviously they are not horses, and it doesn't matter if they were hurt. The law doesn't state it's fine to drive without due care and attention if no one gets hurt. | |||
"The land rover was as far left on the tarmac as he could go.. It was a single track unclassified road... Why are cyclists on it and why are they filming? Because they have cams on their helmets for safety? And why in the world would they not b on a road? They are just as entitled to be as the land-rover?? And if he was as far left as he could b and not room to pass safely then he shd have stopped and waited like any other decent road user! X The bikes could have stopped also" Yes of course! If u read my comment much further up I suggest this as its what I do whilst out in countryside cycling! Have never had an incident in all my 50 odd years cycling most vehicle drivers are very respectful! And that is all it takes respect for each other! Which he clearly had none for these cyclists x | |||
"Ah Tom is back in his safe place.....winding up motorists and other road users, perpetuating road wars that have raged for decades. " So if they have raged for decades is Tom to blame ? | |||
"The land rover was as far left on the tarmac as he could go.. It was a single track unclassified road... Why are cyclists on it and why are they filming? Because they have cams on their helmets for safety? And why in the world would they not b on a road? They are just as entitled to be as the land-rover?? And if he was as far left as he could b and not room to pass safely then he shd have stopped and waited like any other decent road user! X The bikes could have stopped also I actually think the leading rider caused all the bother. Why stop? Too protest most likely" wait. Did the bikes stop or not? Great thread Tom. More mileage than a land rover. Or a horse. | |||
"The land rover was as far left on the tarmac as he could go.. It was a single track unclassified road... Why are cyclists on it and why are they filming? Because they have cams on their helmets for safety? And why in the world would they not b on a road? They are just as entitled to be as the land-rover?? And if he was as far left as he could b and not room to pass safely then he shd have stopped and waited like any other decent road user! X The bikes could have stopped also I actually think the leading rider caused all the bother. Why stop? Too protest most likelywait. Did the bikes stop or not? Great thread Tom. More mileage than a land rover. Or a horse. " This is not Toms thread.. It is a thread for the people... | |||
"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine Do they have insurance? Is it sensible to have your feet clipped in when you might have to slow down / stop? I'd argue the cyclist wasn't showing due care and attention after riding into the bike in front... Still... Good that the police service got involved.. I mean there's not much else they could be doing. " Cyclists don't need insurance. The road traffic act states that only motorised vehicles must have a suitable amount of cover in place when using the roads, a bicycle has no engine, therefore doesn't need insurance. If a cyclist is a member of a cycling group, you can get cover through them. | |||
"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine Do they have insurance? Is it sensible to have your feet clipped in when you might have to slow down / stop? I'd argue the cyclist wasn't showing due care and attention after riding into the bike in front... Still... Good that the police service got involved.. I mean there's not much else they could be doing. SPD pedals are quick release and super safe " Been a cyclist for years and EVERYONE I know with clip in pedals has come off because of them at some point all down to cyclists leaving it to late to kick out and realise shoes human error | |||
"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine Do they have insurance? Is it sensible to have your feet clipped in when you might have to slow down / stop? I'd argue the cyclist wasn't showing due care and attention after riding into the bike in front... Still... Good that the police service got involved.. I mean there's not much else they could be doing. SPD pedals are quick release and super safe Been a cyclist for years and EVERYONE I know with clip in pedals has come off because of them at some point all down to cyclists leaving it to late to kick out and realise shoes human error " I've done 20,000+ miles of cycling in the last decade, and I've had a few wobbles where I have nearly gone over and failed to unclip, but yet to hit the deck because of it. Likewise, I've driven a lot of miles, and have missed the clutch, hit the brakes and accelerator at the same time, slipped off the brake pedal etc a few times in the last decade too. | |||
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"The Northampton Chief of Police has fined a landrover driver after a cyclist deliberately filmed him on a head cam. The video circling has gone viral. I cannot see how the landrover could of driven any closer to his left. The lane was so narrow that one cyclist toppled into the ditch. Is this Justice?" Tom have you had many friends killed by dangerous driver's when riding bikes? I've known two,I've known many who have been seriously injured including my son. I have been forced off the road. Remember a two ton car Vs skin and bones there's always only going to be one outcome. Would you be complaining if it had been pedestrians walking and nearly run down. How much difficulty was it for him to slow down for ten seconds? Non. No argument a fine is the minimum he should have received. | |||
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"Perhaps we should be asking ourselves, not only who gave cyclist the priority on the roads, but what moron actually passed it to become law. Its totally ridiculous. They can ride 2 abreast while on mobile phone and the motorists still have to give way to them, but if a motorists is on his phone he'll be fined, and now there's a new law coming in that the passenger is also going to be fined if they are using a mobile phone. Better get my dash cam re fitted now. " Cyclists are not permitted to use mobile phones whilst cycling? X | |||
"now there's a new law coming in that the passenger is also going to be fined if they are using a mobile phone. Better get my dash cam re fitted now. " A passenger will only be fined if they’re supervising a learner, or are otherwise “in control” of a vehicle. | |||
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"I've a really big 4x4 which is a work truck. No speedboat, so when I come across cyclists, THEY either pull over and let me by, or get to listen to my monster rumbling loudly behind their skinny little asses. Don't fall over, it takes a mile for me to stop! " U are indeed a delight! x | |||
"The Northampton Chief of Police has fined a landrover driver after a cyclist deliberately filmed him on a head cam. The video circling has gone viral. I cannot see how the landrover could of driven any closer to his left. The lane was so narrow that one cyclist toppled into the ditch. Is this Justice? yes ! Some are absolutely dangerously vile to us " I wonder why !.  | |||
"The Northampton Chief of Police has fined a landrover driver after a cyclist deliberately filmed him on a head cam. The video circling has gone viral. I cannot see how the landrover could of driven any closer to his left. The lane was so narrow that one cyclist toppled into the ditch. Is this Justice? yes ! Some are absolutely dangerously vile to us I wonder why !. "Because they are vile individuals? At a guess? X | |||
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"I cannot believe the ignorant vile attitudes towards cyclist's. I'm out of this thread before I say something I will regret. " It will allways b this way unfortunately! Don't know why? All it takes is respect from all road users? On the road and in life in general x | |||
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"now there's a new law coming in that the passenger is also going to be fined if they are using a mobile phone. Better get my dash cam re fitted now. A passenger will only be fined if they’re supervising a learner, or are otherwise “in control” of a vehicle. " Yes to this. Black belt barister on Youtube explains this perfectly. If you are a driving instructor or a qualified driver and you are in charge of a leaner, then legally you are jointly responsible, as you are the eyes and ears. Once the driver is qualified, then there is no need to supervise the driver, in the eyes of the law. At this point any passenger can use a phone, fall asleep, eat, read a paper or a map. That is not illegal. Beware of click bait and half read stories in the news. | |||
"All the gear and no idea,the silly woman in front caused her friend to stop suddenly that’s why she lost her balance,if they had of kept on going there would of been no issue " Umm nope he was coming towards them to fast on a narrow road! Just ignorant! Any considerate driver would have stopped or at least slowed down to give the cyclists a chance to stop and let him pass! Least that what happens when I'm out on my cycle on narrow roads! Lucky I've not met dangerous ignorance like this in all my cycling years x | |||
"Silly question but do cyclists take a driving test. Most cyclists I come across on the road seem to know what they are doing but there are a lot that don't. If the land rover was going to fast then he deserves a fine Do they have insurance? Is it sensible to have your feet clipped in when you might have to slow down / stop? I'd argue the cyclist wasn't showing due care and attention after riding into the bike in front... Still... Good that the police service got involved.. I mean there's not much else they could be doing. Cyclists don't need insurance. The road traffic act states that only motorised vehicles must have a suitable amount of cover in place when using the roads, a bicycle has no engine, therefore doesn't need insurance. If a cyclist is a member of a cycling group, you can get cover through them." You don't legally need insurance as a cyclist, nor do you need to be part of a club, group or team Insurance does exist, but it is voluntary. Most bike shops have these details to hand, as does British Cycling. As for Driving tests, do you mean cycling proficiency tests? Then no, which is a shame. Three times, I've had to come to a halt as I have had cyclists on mountain bikes, riding towards me on the double yellow lines (waiting for a head on collision). So I stopped ans asked what the hell was going on. Comments given were: "I was turning right so i can be on the right side of the road." "What's your fucking problem?" "My mum told me to do this!" These bike owners should not be trusted with a shopping trolley, let alone a vehicle on the road. | |||
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"Has it occurred to anyone that the jeep driver had brake failure... " No. | |||
"Has it occurred to anyone that the jeep driver had brake failure... " In that hypothetical situation should he not be fined more for driving an unsafe and not roadworthy vehicle? | |||
"Ah Tom is back in his safe place.....winding up motorists and other road users, perpetuating road wars that have raged for decades. So if they have raged for decades is Tom to blame ?" See.....half reading things again  | |||
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"All the gear and no idea,the silly woman in front caused her friend to stop suddenly that’s why she lost her balance,if they had of kept on going there would of been no issue " He wasn't charged with making her fall off the bike. That is totally inconsequential. He was charged with passing too close and fast. Which you can clearly see he did in the video. | |||
"All the gear and no idea,the silly woman in front caused her friend to stop suddenly that’s why she lost her balance,if they had of kept on going there would of been no issue He wasn't charged with making her fall off the bike. That is totally inconsequential. He was charged with passing too close and fast. Which you can clearly see he did in the video. " Stop presenting facts and considered thought on the forum, it really isn't appreciated
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"All the gear and no idea,the silly woman in front caused her friend to stop suddenly that’s why she lost her balance,if they had of kept on going there would of been no issue He wasn't charged with making her fall off the bike. That is totally inconsequential. He was charged with passing too close and fast. Which you can clearly see he did in the video. Stop presenting facts and considered thought on the forum, it really isn't appreciated
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"All the gear and no idea,the silly woman in front caused her friend to stop suddenly that’s why she lost her balance,if they had of kept on going there would of been no issue He wasn't charged with making her fall off the bike. That is totally inconsequential. He was charged with passing too close and fast. Which you can clearly see he did in the video. Stop presenting facts and considered thought on the forum, it really isn't appreciated
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What if the Land Rover driver was a shark?!"Paul Sykes used to punch sharks in the ear hole (if you know you know) | |||
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