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over a year ago
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That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out. |
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Do you stand in Will's shoes or his wife's? Alopecia is a particularly sensitive issue. Especially in a world so driven by beauty values, a Internet so intend faceless abuse of celebrities and a world were women's hair is particularly a sensitive part of expected femininity. I imagine Will is privy to the heart ache this condition causes her behind closed doors and brave faces. I think when he seen that the joke struck a cord with her he was hurt for her and thus enraged. I can understand it. I think the two examples you give are apples and pears. I don't think this is a fair example for you to signal virtue over.
I think Chris being of the old school realised he'd cut too close to the bone, realised it was a fair one and cracked on with the show. It's been dealt with and as far as I can see everything is sorted.
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"Do you stand in Will's shoes or his wife's? Alopecia is a particularly sensitive issue. Especially in a world so driven by beauty values, a Internet so intend faceless abuse of celebrities and a world were women's hair is particularly a sensitive part of expected femininity. I imagine Will is privy to the heart ache this condition causes her behind closed doors and brave faces. I think when he seen that the joke struck a cord with her he was hurt for her and thus enraged. I can understand it. I think the two examples you give are apples and pears. I don't think this is a fair example for you to signal virtue over.
I think Chris being of the old school realised he'd cut too close to the bone, realised it was a fair one and cracked on with the show. It's been dealt with and as far as I can see everything is sorted.
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Everything is not sorted and it's certainly hasn't been dealt with and I am sorry but we cannot set a precedent that someone can get away with physically attacking someone simply because they have said something they don't like. |
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First of all OP. Can I just say your dad is an As*hole. He beat your poor mum because he could I’m so sorry you/she had to go through that
Will Smith, I have loved practically every film he’s been in for years. He LAUGHED at the joke. The camera saw his wife’s reaction to the joke. We didn’t see if she said anything to him and maybe that’s why he then got up and halfheartedly smacked the guy. I wonder if she beat him up when they got home, or at least an argument |
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"Do you stand in Will's shoes or his wife's? Alopecia is a particularly sensitive issue. Especially in a world so driven by beauty values, a Internet so intend faceless abuse of celebrities and a world were women's hair is particularly a sensitive part of expected femininity. I imagine Will is privy to the heart ache this condition causes her behind closed doors and brave faces. I think when he seen that the joke struck a cord with her he was hurt for her and thus enraged. I can understand it. I think the two examples you give are apples and pears. I don't think this is a fair example for you to signal virtue over.
I think Chris being of the old school realised he'd cut too close to the bone, realised it was a fair one and cracked on with the show. It's been dealt with and as far as I can see everything is sorted.
Everything is not sorted and it's certainly hasn't been dealt with and I am sorry but we cannot set a precedent that someone can get away with physically attacking someone simply because they have said something they don't like. "
Surely it's up to Will and Chris.
Otherwise BDSM should be banned because that can include hitting people. They shouldn't be able to consent to it. |
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If he was that angry he would have not been shouting from his seat afterwards he would have done the shouting on the way up to the stage not calmly walk up and slap the guy he did it to save face at home to prove a point that wasnt rage at all that was a calculated warning shot to stop his wife giving him earache at home about not defending her honour as she caught him laughing can clearly see she knows how to pull his strings |
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"I don't know what Will Smith has done.
I do however totally agree with Lorna,physical violence is never the answer,ever!!
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He smacked someone on stage for making a joke about his wife, which he laughed at. There’s clips on YouTube |
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I've seen footage where Will actually laughs at the joke at first, maybe he acted off Jadas reaction because she didn't find it funny at all.
Either way he was really out if order, he should of had a private chat with him backstage, he overshadowed his and all the other winners nights |
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"Hollywood just made the dangerous move of not just okaying violence against speech but of also celwbrating it.
As history shows, we should watch this space.
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I get your point. But I think that claim is a bit carried away and lacks nuance of the specific situation in this case.
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"Do you stand in Will's shoes or his wife's? Alopecia is a particularly sensitive issue. Especially in a world so driven by beauty values, a Internet so intend faceless abuse of celebrities and a world were women's hair is particularly a sensitive part of expected femininity. I imagine Will is privy to the heart ache this condition causes her behind closed doors and brave faces. I think when he seen that the joke struck a cord with her he was hurt for her and thus enraged. I can understand it. I think the two examples you give are apples and pears. I don't think this is a fair example for you to signal virtue over.
I think Chris being of the old school realised he'd cut too close to the bone, realised it was a fair one and cracked on with the show. It's been dealt with and as far as I can see everything is sorted.
Everything is not sorted and it's certainly hasn't been dealt with and I am sorry but we cannot set a precedent that someone can get away with physically attacking someone simply because they have said something they don't like. "
I think in terms of the protagonists it is it done with. Chris was not crying pushing assault and for Will to be removed (I suspect because in his mind he'd sailed a little close). Likewise Will is not kicking off to cancel Chris from every organisation and event because of a joke about his alopecia suffering wife. However I suppose I do see the implications of this being very much in the public sphere. It's not a cause of action to celebrate and its not one I do. However we are human and we feel for our loved ones deeply. I don't believe will was being overly macho in motivation, just hurt and enraged. To make a mistake is human, we are not robots, especially over a sensitive issues. Will has apologise as he knows this wasn't the right kind of action. Chris I believe knows he got his joke wrong. Not so much in general terms but more in the very personal terms of Will and his wife who were present. A case of bad judgment. And I think as things previal Will will make clear his actions were wrong. |
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out."
Hold onto some masculinity.. I feel with Russia's aggressive ways it won't be long before " real men " return to the fold . Very feminised now the men in our society . How subdued must we be as a species if we permit decrepit old farts like Boris Johnson to govern us.. violence is never the answer but sometimes .it's the only answer . Off topic a little but you can see it in MMA and boxing .. the vast majority of elite fighter that are making waves in combat sports are from the Eastern European ex soviet states .. they train hard and they don't have half the luxuries that western Europeans have .. we live in comfort ..and fat comfortable men seldom can defend their comforts from a hungry well trained enemy who wants to take them ...
Back on topic ...if someone insulted the love of my life on live TV Infront of millions then a slap would be the least of his worries . I think Will Smith did well to restrain his anger to just a slap. |
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out.
Hold onto some masculinity.. I feel with Russia's aggressive ways it won't be long before " real men " return to the fold . Very feminised now the men in our society . How subdued must we be as a species if we permit decrepit old farts like Boris Johnson to govern us.. violence is never the answer but sometimes .it's the only answer . Off topic a little but you can see it in MMA and boxing .. the vast majority of elite fighter that are making waves in combat sports are from the Eastern European ex soviet states .. they train hard and they don't have half the luxuries that western Europeans have .. we live in comfort ..and fat comfortable men seldom can defend their comforts from a hungry well trained enemy who wants to take them ...
Back on topic ...if someone insulted the love of my life on live TV Infront of millions then a slap would be the least of his worries . I think Will Smith did well to restrain his anger to just a slap. "
WTAF are you talking about? Russia? Boris Johnson?  wrong thread PAL |
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out.
Hold onto some masculinity.. I feel with Russia's aggressive ways it won't be long before " real men " return to the fold . Very feminised now the men in our society . How subdued must we be as a species if we permit decrepit old farts like Boris Johnson to govern us.. violence is never the answer but sometimes .it's the only answer . Off topic a little but you can see it in MMA and boxing .. the vast majority of elite fighter that are making waves in combat sports are from the Eastern European ex soviet states .. they train hard and they don't have half the luxuries that western Europeans have .. we live in comfort ..and fat comfortable men seldom can defend their comforts from a hungry well trained enemy who wants to take them ...
Back on topic ...if someone insulted the love of my life on live TV Infront of millions then a slap would be the least of his worries . I think Will Smith did well to restrain his anger to just a slap.
WTAF are you talking about? Russia? Boris Johnson? wrong thread PAL"
The discussion is toxic masculinity... I was speaking more about masculinity in general . I guess I'm in the wrong thread . |
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out.
Hold onto some masculinity.. I feel with Russia's aggressive ways it won't be long before " real men " return to the fold . Very feminised now the men in our society . How subdued must we be as a species if we permit decrepit old farts like Boris Johnson to govern us.. violence is never the answer but sometimes .it's the only answer . Off topic a little but you can see it in MMA and boxing .. the vast majority of elite fighter that are making waves in combat sports are from the Eastern European ex soviet states .. they train hard and they don't have half the luxuries that western Europeans have .. we live in comfort ..and fat comfortable men seldom can defend their comforts from a hungry well trained enemy who wants to take them ...
Back on topic ...if someone insulted the love of my life on live TV Infront of millions then a slap would be the least of his worries . I think Will Smith did well to restrain his anger to just a slap.
WTAF are you talking about? Russia? Boris Johnson? wrong thread PAL"
I stopped reading him at “ violence is never the answer but sometimes it's the only answer” |
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out.
Hold onto some masculinity.. I feel with Russia's aggressive ways it won't be long before " real men " return to the fold . Very feminised now the men in our society . How subdued must we be as a species if we permit decrepit old farts like Boris Johnson to govern us.. violence is never the answer but sometimes .it's the only answer . Off topic a little but you can see it in MMA and boxing .. the vast majority of elite fighter that are making waves in combat sports are from the Eastern European ex soviet states .. they train hard and they don't have half the luxuries that western Europeans have .. we live in comfort ..and fat comfortable men seldom can defend their comforts from a hungry well trained enemy who wants to take them ...
Back on topic ...if someone insulted the love of my life on live TV Infront of millions then a slap would be the least of his worries . I think Will Smith did well to restrain his anger to just a slap.
WTAF are you talking about? Russia? Boris Johnson? wrong thread PAL
I stopped reading him at “ violence is never the answer but sometimes it's the only answer”"
Well let's see diplomacy solve the war in Ukraine before it spreads . |
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It wasn't born out of love, it was born out of he knew the car journey home was gonna be hell as he had laughed, & she'd not seen the funny side of the joke at her expense, so he suddenly had to defend her
It's a shame as I thought he was one of the nice guys of Hollywood
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"This has been a hot topic at work, my engineer is of the opinion Will was right to slap him, I think what he shouted at Chris was enough, reacting to word with violence is not ok "
Can't have it both ways ..if we live in a woke society will shouldn't have slapped him and Chris shouldn't have been allowed to make the joke . Words carry weight and you should always be willing to backup what you say . Or else not speak . Or be willing to fight for your opinion. If Chris wasn't in the wrong . He could've swung back ... He knew he was out of order so he ate the slap an tried to laugh it off . This is the problem with the society we live in ...people say things who can't back them up ... |
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Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer. |
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"This has been a hot topic at work, my engineer is of the opinion Will was right to slap him, I think what he shouted at Chris was enough, reacting to word with violence is not ok
Can't have it both ways ..if we live in a woke society will shouldn't have slapped him and Chris shouldn't have been allowed to make the joke . Words carry weight and you should always be willing to backup what you say . Or else not speak . Or be willing to fight for your opinion. If Chris wasn't in the wrong . He could've swung back ... He knew he was out of order so he ate the slap an tried to laugh it off . This is the problem with the society we live in ...people say things who can't back them up ... "
Words for words, if Will had gotten up an spoke out about his wife’s condition and commented on how insensitive his comment are, I don’t know, I’ve never thrown the first punch and I’ve been hit for some thing I’ve said and I deserved it, but that was 1995 , not 2022 |
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over a year ago
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This is the second awards ceremony in 2 weeks that Will Smith's wife was made the centre of the joke.
Whether in your eyes Will Smith was right or not, I'm pretty sure this is the end of making a joke out Will Smith's wife in public. |
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I'd be interested to heard Jada's take on this. Not wether or not she condones the violence but to me she is a very strong opinionated woman and what Will did with his actions was take away her right to address the comment.
I don't agree that Will's actions are ones to be celebrated as him protecting his wife and a return to 'real men' type behaviour. Not at all. I don't believe the majority of women would swoon over their partner hitting someone else.
Is this a case f him being offended on someone else's behalf? Something that gets thrown around as part of the demise of society yet when it's linked to male bravado and chest beating suddenly those who mock the term 'in offended' think it's acceptable? Very interesting. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer."
Devil's advocate here ....did he say anything about her medical condition specifically or did he simply make a comment on her change of appearance in that she looked like Demi Moore when she played a particular character?
She looks bloody stunning to be honest.
Was he derogatory about it or simply saying she could play a strong female lead character? |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer."
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society . |
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Would everyone sticking up for Will be saying the same thing if it was a female comedian who had made the same joke and he had reacted with violence?
Hes shown his true colours as an insecure little man child, which isn't surprising considering his wife's infidelity and the fact that he's not much more than her consolation prize because 2pac got killed. |
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"Would everyone sticking up for Will be saying the same thing if it was a female comedian who had made the same joke and he had reacted with violence?
Hes shown his true colours as an insecure little man child, which isn't surprising considering his wife's infidelity and the fact that he's not much more than her consolation prize because 2pac got killed."
Would people be willing to defend Chris rock if Jada had been undergoing chemotherapy ? |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society . "
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society . "
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife. |
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I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife. "
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that |
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t"
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom . |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that "
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried. "
I'm not sure .. maybe it's time will started reacting more though . He obviously loves Jada and maybe if he made more effort to fight for her then she wouldn't be so quick to cheat on him.. the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer."
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried.
I'm not sure .. maybe it's time will started reacting more though . He obviously loves Jada and maybe if he made more effort to fight for her then she wouldn't be so quick to cheat on him.. the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
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Theyre in an open relationship apparently. |
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If Chris Rock had made the same joke in a comedy club and a member of the public came on stage and smacked him the guy would have been out the door in a flash.
All jokes that are told will offend someone somewhere. How many jokes over the years have been made at the expense of the Irish man?
It does not give anyone an excuse to use violence. The LAPD say no action will be taken over the incident because there is no complaint. Yet a violent act was carried out in from of millions because of a joke and the offender gets off scott free. How many incidents of this nature will it generate?
Thick skin is a wonderful thing. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me (not unless you hit me with a telephone book)
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Will Smith is a violent brat who should be arrested for assault.
If a member of the “non celebrity” public had stepped foot on that stage, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground!
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"Would everyone sticking up for Will be saying the same thing if it was a female comedian who had made the same joke and he had reacted with violence?
Hes shown his true colours as an insecure little man child, which isn't surprising considering his wife's infidelity and the fact that he's not much more than her consolation prize because 2pac got killed.
Would people be willing to defend Chris rock if Jada had been undergoing chemotherapy ? "
In the context of a comedian doing what he is paid to do? Yes, I'd defend him. He is hired as a host and to make jokes.
I worry for anyone who thinks violence in this situation was warranted. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried.
I'm not sure .. maybe it's time will started reacting more though . He obviously loves Jada and maybe if he made more effort to fight for her then she wouldn't be so quick to cheat on him.. the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
Theyre in an open relationship apparently. "
Bit One sided isn't it ? She does the playing he's the cuckold..
I'm confused over it tbh ..I don't know how I'd react.. I'd want to defend my wife's honour .. but I personally believe in the right to free speech especially in a comedy environment . Catch 22 for me . I Don't think there's a right or wrong way to react in that situation |
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"Will Smith is a violent brat who should be arrested for assault.
If a member of the “non celebrity” public had stepped foot on that stage, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground!
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Is that true though? I don't think it is yet I've seen it said several times by people discussing the incident.
I think if you ask most DV and assault survivors its incredibly hard to get a prosecution through for someone assaulting someone else. It is always reliant on the other person wanting to press charges and Chris Rock reportedly doesn't want to.
Of course laws may be different in the US. |
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Just crazy how the world has responded to this. No matter what the circumstances it was premeditated assault and is totally unacceptable. Rock handled it incredibly well and as for Smith, if he is capable of doing that in front of a TV audience of millions i dread to think what kind of violence he is capable in private. Despicable. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried.
I'm not sure .. maybe it's time will started reacting more though . He obviously loves Jada and maybe if he made more effort to fight for her then she wouldn't be so quick to cheat on him.. the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
Theyre in an open relationship apparently.
Bit One sided isn't it ? She does the playing he's the cuckold..
I'm confused over it tbh ..I don't know how I'd react.. I'd want to defend my wife's honour .. but I personally believe in the right to free speech especially in a comedy environment . Catch 22 for me . I Don't think there's a right or wrong way to react in that situation "
He doesn't need to be a cuck just because his wife has sex with other men. Cuckolding is a very specific dynamic.
You've said on another thread you don't understand couples who invite others in to their physical relationships. Perhaps it is time to learn about it to gain greater understanding. There's a whole wealth of information not just on here with anecdotal evidence of how each situation Nd dynamic is individual to those involved. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried.
I'm not sure .. maybe it's time will started reacting more though . He obviously loves Jada and maybe if he made more effort to fight for her then she wouldn't be so quick to cheat on him.. the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
Theyre in an open relationship apparently.
Bit One sided isn't it ? She does the playing he's the cuckold..
I'm confused over it tbh ..I don't know how I'd react.. I'd want to defend my wife's honour .. but I personally believe in the right to free speech especially in a comedy environment . Catch 22 for me . I Don't think there's a right or wrong way to react in that situation
He doesn't need to be a cuck just because his wife has sex with other men. Cuckolding is a very specific dynamic.
You've said on another thread you don't understand couples who invite others in to their physical relationships. Perhaps it is time to learn about it to gain greater understanding. There's a whole wealth of information not just on here with anecdotal evidence of how each situation Nd dynamic is individual to those involved. "
I'm trying to learn ...whilst trying not to get banned/muted for asking/discussing it. I'd like to be able to learn about it ..and understand it .. perhaps it would help me understand why iv been cheated on in the past. anyway I agree and I will try to improve my knowledge on the subject |
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"Will Smith is a violent brat who should be arrested for assault.
If a member of the “non celebrity” public had stepped foot on that stage, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground!
Is that true though? I don't think it is yet I've seen it said several times by people discussing the incident.
I think if you ask most DV and assault survivors its incredibly hard to get a prosecution through for someone assaulting someone else. It is always reliant on the other person wanting to press charges and Chris Rock reportedly doesn't want to.
Of course laws may be different in the US. "
So if a man got up on the stage and assaulted Chris Rock but he wasn’t a celebrity you think he’d just walk back to his seat and enjoy the rest of the show? I’ve been to comedy events eheee hecklers have been booted, never mind people who assault the comedian! |
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"Will Smith is a violent brat who should be arrested for assault.
If a member of the “non celebrity” public had stepped foot on that stage, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground!
Is that true though? I don't think it is yet I've seen it said several times by people discussing the incident.
I think if you ask most DV and assault survivors its incredibly hard to get a prosecution through for someone assaulting someone else. It is always reliant on the other person wanting to press charges and Chris Rock reportedly doesn't want to.
Of course laws may be different in the US.
So if a man got up on the stage and assaulted Chris Rock but he wasn’t a celebrity you think he’d just walk back to his seat and enjoy the rest of the show? I’ve been to comedy events eheee hecklers have been booted, never mind people who assault the comedian! "
It wouldn't have happened .. they wouldn't have gotten 50ft away from the stage ... That's why I think it's been deliberately scripted . |
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"Will Smith is a violent brat who should be arrested for assault.
If a member of the “non celebrity” public had stepped foot on that stage, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground!
Is that true though? I don't think it is yet I've seen it said several times by people discussing the incident.
I think if you ask most DV and assault survivors its incredibly hard to get a prosecution through for someone assaulting someone else. It is always reliant on the other person wanting to press charges and Chris Rock reportedly doesn't want to.
Of course laws may be different in the US.
So if a man got up on the stage and assaulted Chris Rock but he wasn’t a celebrity you think he’d just walk back to his seat and enjoy the rest of the show? I’ve been to comedy events eheee hecklers have been booted, never mind people who assault the comedian! "
I can't say what would happen for sure in a hypothetical situation. I do think Will should have been removed from the event though, not be 'comforted' by Denzel Washington and someone else.
Removed from an event is very different to being arrested as you suggested in your comment. |
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I've not seen the clip but I can understand a joke that makes you laugh that first before realising the deeper hurt. And there's an art in comedy in treading a very fine lien when it comes to personal jibes.
A slap wasn't right. I possibly wouldn't call it violence but aggression. If a man wants to hurt another man he would punch him.
But it wasn't right either. Way better ways of handling it. I like "I don't get the joke. Explain it to me". But I also get that the red cloud does descend at times. Doesn't make it right. Makes it understandable.
The only extra dynamic I'd add to the conversation is why Will Smith was the one to confront. Again, I understand why he did. But I've not seen anyone discuss why it appears almost accepted it was right he did, rather than the person who was offended.... |
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Although I don’t agree with what he did. Him and his wife were fair game being in the crowd when a comedian is roasting people but in the real world if someone mocked my wife’s illness I’d give them a lot more than a slap. |
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"Do you stand in Will's shoes or his wife's? Alopecia is a particularly sensitive issue. Especially in a world so driven by beauty values, a Internet so intend faceless abuse of celebrities and a world were women's hair is particularly a sensitive part of expected femininity. I imagine Will is privy to the heart ache this condition causes her behind closed doors and brave faces. I think when he seen that the joke struck a cord with her he was hurt for her and thus enraged. I can understand it. I think the two examples you give are apples and pears. I don't think this is a fair example for you to signal virtue over.
I think Chris being of the old school realised he'd cut too close to the bone, realised it was a fair one and cracked on with the show. It's been dealt with and as far as I can see everything is sorted.
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom . "
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom .
If someone insulted her then she’s a grown up and can fend for her herself , they are just words , spat at her etc ? Then yes , conflict management would ensue "
"Conflict management" . You're a bigger man than I am sir . An insult is enough to instigate my aggression . I really must work on it . |
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom .
If someone insulted her then she’s a grown up and can fend for her herself , they are just words , spat at her etc ? Then yes , conflict management would ensue "
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Kind of confused to which way I feel about all this.
Looking from how I would react, I'd say words should have been enough and Will's words after would have been enough. And a stern talking to after.
We don't know how much abuse she's had about her appearance etc behind the scenes before this and this could have been the final straw that broke the camels back.
It still doesn't justify violence.
Although, I do think anyone who stands up for their wife/husband should be applauded.
I see it from both sides (to a point)
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"Will Smith is a violent brat who should be arrested for assault.
If a member of the “non celebrity” public had stepped foot on that stage, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground!
Is that true though? I don't think it is yet I've seen it said several times by people discussing the incident.
I think if you ask most DV and assault survivors its incredibly hard to get a prosecution through for someone assaulting someone else. It is always reliant on the other person wanting to press charges and Chris Rock reportedly doesn't want to.
Of course laws may be different in the US.
So if a man got up on the stage and assaulted Chris Rock but he wasn’t a celebrity you think he’d just walk back to his seat and enjoy the rest of the show? I’ve been to comedy events eheee hecklers have been booted, never mind people who assault the comedian!
I can't say what would happen for sure in a hypothetical situation. I do think Will should have been removed from the event though, not be 'comforted' by Denzel Washington and someone else.
Removed from an event is very different to being arrested as you suggested in your comment. "
Yes, he should have been both removed and arrested for assault. |
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
I just don’t have anger in me anymore, I guess as I got older I mellowed out, watching people losing their minds for the smallest slight, I’m more “meh, you owe my girl a beer mate “ kind of guy, wipe our mouths and move on
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom .
If someone insulted her then she’s a grown up and can fend for her herself , they are just words , spat at her etc ? Then yes , conflict management would ensue
"Conflict management" . You're a bigger man than I am sir . An insult is enough to instigate my aggression . I really must work on it . "
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
Cheers man, yer we look like 2 sailor Jerry bottles getting it on
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom .
If someone insulted her then she’s a grown up and can fend for her herself , they are just words , spat at her etc ? Then yes , conflict management would ensue
P.s your missus looks fantastic and your leg piece looks absolutely fucking boss mate..!!! "
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"First of all OP. Can I just say your dad is an As*hole. He beat your poor mum because he could I’m so sorry you/she had to go through that
Will Smith, I have loved practically every film he’s been in for years. He LAUGHED at the joke. The camera saw his wife’s reaction to the joke. We didn’t see if she said anything to him and maybe that’s why he then got up and halfheartedly smacked the guy. I wonder if she beat him up when they got home, or at least an argument "
I don't think he got the "joke" at first tbh
Why are you suggesting she beat him up? Is he abused husband? Never heard that before. I'm not condoning his violence though he could have dealt with that verbally and during his acceptance speech |
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I think it’s a shame that Will Smith’s Oscar moment will now be forever known as being the time he slapped Chris Rock rather than for him actually winning an Academy Award. It’s forever tainted.
Will Smith should have called him out from his seat like, not slapping him. But in my opinion Chris Rock also went too far.
And it’s about time these award ceremony’s aimed for presenters who don’t try and get mean laughs at the expense of others sat in the audience. It’s not big and it’s not funny. It was only a matter of time something like this happened. |
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"This is the second awards ceremony in 2 weeks that Will Smith's wife was made the centre of the joke.
Whether in your eyes Will Smith was right or not, I'm pretty sure this is the end of making a joke out Will Smith's wife in public."
What was the other joke/ awards ceremony? |
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"First of all OP. Can I just say your dad is an As*hole. He beat your poor mum because he could I’m so sorry you/she had to go through that
Will Smith, I have loved practically every film he’s been in for years. He LAUGHED at the joke. The camera saw his wife’s reaction to the joke. We didn’t see if she said anything to him and maybe that’s why he then got up and halfheartedly smacked the guy. I wonder if she beat him up when they got home, or at least an argument
I don't think he got the "joke" at first tbh
Why are you suggesting she beat him up? Is he abused husband? Never heard that before. I'm not condoning his violence though he could have dealt with that verbally and during his acceptance speech "
I think people are jumping to conclusions that as she’s slept around and he’s ok with it he’s a cuck she beats him she gas lights him etc etc ..They have both openly said it’s a open marriage so not sure why people choose to jump to these conclusions.. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that "
I disagree, but there is a way to react and violence is not the way. Imagine if it was, where would a line be drawn? You resort to violence then you obviously have not the intelligence to to be reasoned.
I thought societal attitudes have changed abd we've on from being neanderthals, what an attitude to have in 2022
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society . "
No comparison....anyway what is the problem with me voicing my opinion? Is that the debate you will use everytime you disagree with someone? |
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"Do you stand in Will's shoes or his wife's? Alopecia is a particularly sensitive issue. Especially in a world so driven by beauty values, a Internet so intend faceless abuse of celebrities and a world were women's hair is particularly a sensitive part of expected femininity. I imagine Will is privy to the heart ache this condition causes her behind closed doors and brave faces. I think when he seen that the joke struck a cord with her he was hurt for her and thus enraged. I can understand it. I think the two examples you give are apples and pears. I don't think this is a fair example for you to signal virtue over.
I think Chris being of the old school realised he'd cut too close to the bone, realised it was a fair one and cracked on with the show. It's been dealt with and as far as I can see everything is sorted.
Everything is not sorted and it's certainly hasn't been dealt with and I am sorry but we cannot set a precedent that someone can get away with physically attacking someone simply because they have said something they don't like.
Surely it's up to Will and Chris.
Otherwise BDSM should be banned because that can include hitting people. They shouldn't be able to consent to it. "
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Is it not ironic that at the same ceremony, Ken Branagh won an Oscar for his Disneytised tale of growing up in Belfast where violence was used by a few as an excuse for protecting others, including those who wanted no part in it all?
Obviously different circumstances but imagine the uproar if Will Smith had been at the previous event and had done the same thing with Rebel Wilson when she mocked their relationship.
I like Will Smith and enjoy most of his movies. I'm not a Chris Rock fan and never found him funny but I don't believe he crossed any lines with what he said.
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"violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
No comparison....anyway what is the problem with me voicing my opinion? Is that the debate you will use everytime you disagree with someone? "
No comparison ? The op is talking about toxic masculinity . Men who are quick to resort to or even those who glorify in violence.. and my point is that if you take all these types of men out of a society... Then who would defend you ? You say violence is never the answer . So I gave you an example of how violence has benefitted you and your opinions . You're welcome |
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Will found it funny until he looked at his wife and she rolled her eyes ….
I am sorry… he has no excuse!
Chris rock was doing his job and was basically assaulted at work… if that anyone else does that he is carted off by the police regardless of whether in the end he was charged or not!! |
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"Will found it funny until he looked at his wife and she rolled her eyes ….
I am sorry… he has no excuse!
Chris rock was doing his job and was basically assaulted at work… if that anyone else does that he is carted off by the police regardless of whether in the end he was charged or not!! "
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Disappointing how many people have no problem with making a joke out of someone's medical condition.
I wouldn't have reacted as Smith did, but these kind of jokes are incredibly cruel, if not outright bullying. |
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"violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
No comparison....anyway what is the problem with me voicing my opinion? Is that the debate you will use everytime you disagree with someone?
No comparison ? The op is talking about toxic masculinity . Men who are quick to resort to or even those who glorify in violence.. and my point is that if you take all these types of men out of a society... Then who would defend you ? You say violence is never the answer . So I gave you an example of how violence has benefitted you and your opinions . You're welcome "
I never asked how violence has benefitted me though? The war has nothing do with it!
You seem very angry and I'm not sure why you feel the need to pick out my posts out of others saying violence is wrong.....I suggest you take a chill pill and woosaaa a little |
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"Disappointing how many people have no problem with making a joke out of someone's medical condition.
I wouldn't have reacted as Smith did, but these kind of jokes are incredibly cruel, if not outright bullying. "
Yep, 100% this....It's not OK at any level, especially in front of an audience. |
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"Disappointing how many people have no problem with making a joke out of someone's medical condition.
I wouldn't have reacted as Smith did, but these kind of jokes are incredibly cruel, if not outright bullying. "
How was it cruel? Fair enough it walked the line but it was not a cruel joke.
If she had shaved her head by choice (Britney spears style, but of sound mind) it would not have been thought of as cruel. He did not make fun of her, he did not insult her. He stated a comparison of her shaved head appearance to that of Demi Moore in the original G.I. Jane movie. She just so happens to have alopecia. He didn't say she looked ugly or any form of direct put down.
It was a neutral joke involving her, and it's open to points of interpretation but cruel is certainly not it.
Male pattern baldness is a medical condition (Androgenetic alopecia - oh look a form of alopecia) how many people bat an eyelid and care when a bald joke is made about a man? |
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I don't know why people do these things , l can't lie but if l was lucky to be with a woman l truly loved l would'nt care what kind of dress she wore, if she wanted to wear it who am l to stop her .
Who really knows what Will Smith was thinking BUT Chris Rock should have NOT said anything about his wife not only where he was standing but anytime..he knows NOTHING of what she goes through .. NOTHING ..so he should have kept his mouth closed as regards her .WS slapped him cause it was the only way he knew , sometimes.. sometimes it's the only way .. sometimes, one things for sure , neither will ever forget it . |
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I don't think it was cruel of him to compare her, it wasn't maliciously done but it was in bad taste. And it probably was humiliating to be made the centre of attention and be laughed at when you're suffering from an illness.
I know that if someone I didn't know made a comment about my appearance and a whole room of strangers laughed I'd be feeling pretty embarrassed.
I don't think hitting him was the right reaction, but I get why he was angry. I think they both acted in a shitty way, Will more so than Chris. |
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"I don't know why people do these things , l can't lie but if l was lucky to be with a woman l truly loved l would'nt care what kind of dress she wore, if she wanted to wear it who am l to stop her .
Who really knows what Will Smith was thinking BUT Chris Rock should have NOT said anything about his wife not only where he was standing but anytime..he knows NOTHING of what she goes through .. NOTHING ..so he should have kept his mouth closed as regards her .WS slapped him cause it was the only way he knew , sometimes.. sometimes it's the only way .. sometimes, one things for sure , neither will ever forget it ."
It absolutely is not the only way he knows. The man is intelligent and eloquent and could easily have dealt with the situations with words.
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"Disappointing how many people have no problem with making a joke out of someone's medical condition.
I wouldn't have reacted as Smith did, but these kind of jokes are incredibly cruel, if not outright bullying. "
But he didn't say anything about her medical condition, just her appearance and actually he simply said she'd make a great GI Jane.....a strong female lead.
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer."
He commented on her appearance. He did not mention anything medical. Her appearance is her choice. She could go out clumpy, comb over, a wig or as she is. All her choice he was tactless of course but fact are he commented on her appearance. It wad the rest of the world who chose to interpret it as an insult on her medical condition. |
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"Disappointing how many people have no problem with making a joke out of someone's medical condition.
I wouldn't have reacted as Smith did, but these kind of jokes are incredibly cruel, if not outright bullying.
How was it cruel? Fair enough it walked the line but it was not a cruel joke.
If she had shaved her head by choice (Britney spears style, but of sound mind) it would not have been thought of as cruel. He did not make fun of her, he did not insult her. He stated a comparison of her shaved head appearance to that of Demi Moore in the original G.I. Jane movie. She just so happens to have alopecia. He didn't say she looked ugly or any form of direct put down.
It was a neutral joke involving her, and it's open to points of interpretation but cruel is certainly not it.
Male pattern baldness is a medical condition (Androgenetic alopecia - oh look a form of alopecia) how many people bat an eyelid and care when a bald joke is made about a man? "
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"This is the second awards ceremony in 2 weeks that Will Smith's wife was made the centre of the joke.
Whether in your eyes Will Smith was right or not, I'm pretty sure this is the end of making a joke out Will Smith's wife in public."
Was the first joke funnier? |
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Will Smith would've got more respect if he'd used words instead of violence!
Notice he didn't hit Rebel Wilson when she made a joke about Jada. If it had been someone his own size would he have hit them? |
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Ok. Been thinking about it and this is a prime example of when 'banter' goes wrong! Chris made a comment he thought was funny but Jada obviously didn't think so. Chris seemed to pick up on that I think but he could have apologised when he saw HER reaction. That was the most telling. She didn't laugh along with everyone else, including her husband.
However innocuous the comment was it clearly was not received well by the person it was aimed at.
He made other 'jokes' on stage aimed at others (ok, not about their appearance) that landed better but he should have taken his cues from Jada. |
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"Will Smith would've got more respect if he'd used words instead of violence!
Notice he didn't hit Rebel Wilson when she made a joke about Jada. If it had been someone his own size would he have hit them?"
They don't look that different in size. |
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They employ and pay stupid amounts of money to these hosts knowing they are going to ruffle some feathers to use words like bullying is ridiculous.
Roy chubby brown once called my husband a skinny baldy cunt in front of a packed audience everyone laughed including us it was a joke nothing more.
If everyone Ricky Gervais insulted at the golden globes got up and slapped him in the face the poor bastard would have looked like he’d done 10 rounds with Tyson .. |
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom . "
One big difference. A lot of that type will be too thick to manage the situation properly; they want the attention and “toxic masculine kudos” that the imagine comes from a public display of violence in the name of honour. The “stop looking at my bird” bridge. They are small
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
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Can I paraphrase this to make sure I understand you?
Two consenting adults can't have sex because a third adult might attack one of them?
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"Theyre in an open relationship apparently.
They’re probably one of those sick and twisted swinger type couples. Disgusting weirdos! "
Ewww! He must be shit in bed, no wonder he's angry. Poor woman needs to get dick elsewhere.  |
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The only one to come out of it with any class is Jada - her eye roll treated the "joke" with the contempt it deserved.
Rock was a knob for going for her like that.
Smith is a knob for resorting to violence. Doubly so given that he laughed first until he realised his wife didn't find it funny.
However, they've both made sure the entire headline of the event is solely about them so, given their line of work where pretty much no publicity is bad publicity, they're not exactly going to suffer for it. |
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I had no idea Jada had alopecia. After the GI Jane joke I still wouldn't. I do now.
I've now seem the vid. I don't see that he insulted her. Or that it was even a bad joke (wasn't funny tho).
I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is more to this than just one comment. |
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"Will Smith would've got more respect if he'd used words instead of violence!
Notice he didn't hit Rebel Wilson when she made a joke about Jada. If it had been someone his own size would he have hit them?"
id have walked right up to that rebel and slapped her on the clit |
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"It looks staged to me only the fingers connect ..rock prepares and looks like he can tell it’s
Coming . Both actors
There's only one angle but a slow motion version shows it definitely landed. "
Not saying it didn’t land. But it was fingers only…a way of making a slap sound and look real but with very little pain or impact. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"This is the second awards ceremony in 2 weeks that Will Smith's wife was made the centre of the joke.
Whether in your eyes Will Smith was right or not, I'm pretty sure this is the end of making a joke out Will Smith's wife in public.
What was the other joke/ awards ceremony?"
the other award cermemony was the BAFTA's, he won best actor, and Rebel Wilson who was hosting it said, "I thought his best performance over the past year was being OK with all his wife’s boyfriends."
He wasn't at the awards but made headlines as the press wanted to know what he thought of that comment. |
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"He’s basically a cuck
No he isn't
Oh yes he is
(Where’s widow twanky)"
Dunno but I know where widow wanky is
A man whose wife sleeps with other men is not automatically a cuck. There's more to cuckolding than that. |
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"This is the second awards ceremony in 2 weeks that Will Smith's wife was made the centre of the joke.
Whether in your eyes Will Smith was right or not, I'm pretty sure this is the end of making a joke out Will Smith's wife in public.
What was the other joke/ awards ceremony?
the other award cermemony was the BAFTA's, he won best actor, and Rebel Wilson who was hosting it said, "I thought his best performance over the past year was being OK with all his wife’s boyfriends."
He wasn't at the awards but made headlines as the press wanted to know what he thought of that comment."
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"He’s basically a cuck
No he isn't
Oh yes he is
(Where’s widow twanky)
Dunno but I know where widow wanky is
A man whose wife sleeps with other men is not automatically a cuck. There's more to cuckolding than that. "
Ok the prosecution will admit that we don’t know enough to say if he is indeed a cuck (a full cuck) if the defence will concede that we don’t know enough to rule him out of being a cuck
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"He’s basically a cuck
No he isn't
Oh yes he is
(Where’s widow twanky)
Dunno but I know where widow wanky is
A man whose wife sleeps with other men is not automatically a cuck. There's more to cuckolding than that.
Ok the prosecution will admit that we don’t know enough to say if he is indeed a cuck (a full cuck) if the defence will concede that we don’t know enough to rule him out of being a cuck
Does the defence stipulate? "
noun
a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision.
"jokes in literature about elderly cuckolds and misers are rife"
verb
(of a man) make (another man) a cuckold by having a sexual relationship with his wife.
"in the novel Humberto cuckolds his employer"
So he may not satisfy the fab dictionary. But the regular one might well make the cut.
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"He’s basically a cuck
No he isn't
Oh yes he is
(Where’s widow twanky)
Dunno but I know where widow wanky is
A man whose wife sleeps with other men is not automatically a cuck. There's more to cuckolding than that.
Ok the prosecution will admit that we don’t know enough to say if he is indeed a cuck (a full cuck) if the defence will concede that we don’t know enough to rule him out of being a cuck
Does the defence stipulate?
noun
a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision.
"jokes in literature about elderly cuckolds and misers are rife"
verb
(of a man) make (another man) a cuckold by having a sexual relationship with his wife.
"in the novel Humberto cuckolds his employer"
So he may not satisfy the fab dictionary. But the regular one might well make the cut.
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The "joke" wasn't just about her alopecia. It was also about the rumours about her sexuality - in the film there was the accusation of secretly being a lesbian something that has been said about her.
It was a double dig at her from Rock. |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
He commented on her appearance. He did not mention anything medical. Her appearance is her choice. She could go out clumpy, comb over, a wig or as she is. All her choice he was tactless of course but fact are he commented on her appearance. It wad the rest of the world who chose to interpret it as an insult on her medical condition. "
Does it matter? Whatever was said and in whatever context upset her. Who has the right to say otherwise |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer."
This. Both are out of order. Will for using hands not words to defend his wife, & Chris for reducing someone to their ailment - something raw & beyond their control in a public space. Lost respect for both of them. Some role models. |
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"Theyre in an open relationship apparently.
They’re probably one of those sick and twisted swinger type couples. Disgusting weirdos!
Ewww! He must be shit in bed, no wonder he's angry. Poor woman needs to get dick elsewhere. "
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"I’m a veteran , so I agree with using violence to oppress fascism , but not for offending someone, I’ve been spat at, threatened and called murderer, I was threatened with a knife when I worked on the doors, but I’m disciplined and restrained, I can control what little emotions I have left l, I guess Will can’t
I understand self restraint ..but apply the same to your wife or partner . Would you stand by idly whilst somebody insulted her or spat at her or heaven forbid threatened her with a knife ?? ..there is a time and a place for violence . And I believe that defending your lov ones honour is that time and place ..regardless of Jada being a well known deviant and cheat will loves her and any male worth his salt will defend what he loves ...and that extends even into the animal kingdom . "
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If he’d hit him properly with a fist he’s a big guy will smith he could of done serious damage to Chris rock I’ve seen first hand what one punch can do it’s not nice to see someone hit the concrete headfirst and end up in a coma will smith was out of order in my opinion for a rather silly comment made towards his wife |
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Violence is never the answer and Will could have cut him down with words a lot harder than that smack.
However Chris Rock should not have to turn to insulting women to try and get a cheap laugh.
I personally would have preferred Jada to bitch slap him
BTW she looks hot with her hair as it is |
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The sad thing about it all is that the press have concentrated on this story, rather than how beautifully Lady Gaga supported Liza Minnelli
That's the Oscar highlight for me, not the punch |
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"Both were in the wrong, Chris Rock had no right to comment on anybody medical conditions let alone mock it publicly. Poor Jada
But Will Smith should not of reacted the way he did, violence is never the answer.
Violence gave you the right to voice your opinion and not have to live in a Nazi society .
But of a jump to compare violence used in war time situations against oppressive regimes and retaliation for obscene, indiscriminate murder of people to some guy bitch slapping someone for saying something about their wife.
Violence is never the answer is a false statement . Sometimes violence is the only answer . If a man can't react to his wife being publically humiliated ...then I don't want to live in a society like that
I do. 100% what was it in Chris rock's words that justify violence. Was he rude to her? Did he say she looked ugly? Not feminine enough?did he actually comment on her hair loss or did he just say she could play a part in a film? Just playing devil's advocate here.
If I was in a relationship where I had to worry about a violent outburst from my partner I'd be worried.
I'm not sure .. maybe it's time will started reacting more though . He obviously loves Jada and maybe if he made more effort to fight for her then she wouldn't be so quick to cheat on him.. the fellas wouldn't be So quick to sleep with Jada now either knowing will might react with violence .
Theyre in an open relationship apparently.
Bit One sided isn't it ? She does the playing he's the cuckold..
I'm confused over it tbh ..I don't know how I'd react.. I'd want to defend my wife's honour .. but I personally believe in the right to free speech especially in a comedy environment . Catch 22 for me . I Don't think there's a right or wrong way to react in that situation "
You could defend your wife's honour, put the offender down a peg or two and educate people with words.
Violence in this situation does nothing but esculate the belief that hitting someone is a good answer. |
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"Violence is never the answer and Will could have cut him down with words a lot harder than that smack.
However Chris Rock should not have to turn to insulting women to try and get a cheap laugh.
I personally would have preferred Jada to bitch slap him
BTW she looks hot with her hair as it is"
How did he insult her? |
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By *yes146Man
over a year ago
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out."
Violence should not be condoned.
But it was beautiful to see him stand up for his wife !!!
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By *xydadbodMan
over a year ago
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Yeah I did see that on the news. At first I thought they were doing a stint but then it became apparent it wasn't. From what I read, Chris rock was making fun of Dana's appearance but it also says she has alopecia. There was a huge debate about how far comedians can make a joke. Strangely, the Oscar wanted more exposure, it certainly is getting it now |
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Chris Rock was making fun of Jada Smith's medical condition in front of an audience of MILLIONS. He thought he was safe hiding behind the audience. Would he have have made the same joke in front of them in a private setting? No. He's a coward with a very very annoying voice. I'm glad he got slapped just to shut the fucker up for a minute.
At least Jervais takes the piss out of people because of their behaviour, rather than any ailments they're suffering from. |
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"Chris Rock was making fun of Jada Smith's medical condition in front of an audience of MILLIONS. He thought he was safe hiding behind the audience. Would he have have made the same joke in front of them in a private setting? No. He's a coward with a very very annoying voice. I'm glad he got slapped just to shut the fucker up for a minute.
At least Jervais takes the piss out of people because of their behaviour, rather than any ailments they're suffering from."
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out."
So let me get this right.
Will Smith slap's a guy round the face and everyone has decided he's a wife's beating maniac?
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"Chris Rock was making fun of Jada Smith's medical condition in front of an audience of MILLIONS. He thought he was safe hiding behind the audience. Would he have have made the same joke in front of them in a private setting? No. He's a coward with a very very annoying voice. I'm glad he got slapped just to shut the fucker up for a minute.
At least Jervais takes the piss out of people because of their behaviour, rather than any ailments they're suffering from.
This exactly "
No, not this exactly. Not this even remotely. We can't and shouldn't assault people for making a joke. It's really very simple. |
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"That is what my dad said every time he beat the shit out of my mum for wearing a skirt he thought was too short or when she talked to a guy on the phone for example.
What is it with men and this toxic masculinity? If people like Will Smith can calmly and coldly walk up to someone, slap them across the face and get applauded for it. What message are we sending out? Violence is OK so long as it is born out of love? The world is messed up. I'm out.
Violence should not be condoned.
But it was beautiful to see him stand up for his wife !!!
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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago
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" The discussion is toxic masculinity... I was speaking more about masculinity in general . I guess I'm in the wrong thread ."
There is no such thing in reality outside of the fragile minds of the Twitterati. There is only masculinity and a lack thereof.
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"Violence is never the answer and Will could have cut him down with words a lot harder than that smack.
However Chris Rock should not have to turn to insulting women to try and get a cheap laugh.
I personally would have preferred Jada to bitch slap him
BTW she looks hot with her hair as it is"
Then she’d have been as bad as her husband if she’d done that. |
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"Chris Rock was making fun of Jada Smith's medical condition in front of an audience of MILLIONS. He thought he was safe hiding behind the audience. Would he have have made the same joke in front of them in a private setting? No. He's a coward with a very very annoying voice. I'm glad he got slapped just to shut the fucker up for a minute.
***At least Jervais takes the piss out of people because of their behaviour, rather than any ailments they're suffering from."
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On one hand we have people saying we need to stop toxic masculinity
On the other we have people (and plenty of women) cheering for another man physically assaulting another person over a joke about their wife
If anyones ever wondering why the fight against “toxic masculinity” is moving so slow, it’s because of mixed messages like this
We should all be against being so unhinged and unable to control your anger you lash out like a toddler
But there’s plenty of people defending that.
So next time a guy thinks it’s ok to start swinging because he’s annoyed, think back to the messages we give to guys like that. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Some very interesting comments in this thread.
I think a lot of criticism stems from not only his action of striking Rock, but the delay in taking that action, it looked premeditated. If he had been standing next to Rock when he made the joke, and instinctively lashed out, would that have been seen as involuntary, not thought out, and therefore less damning from the public?
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"Some very interesting comments in this thread.
I think a lot of criticism stems from not only his action of striking Rock, but the delay in taking that action, it looked premeditated. If he had been standing next to Rock when he made the joke, and instinctively lashed out, would that have been seen as involuntary, not thought out, and therefore less damning from the public?
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I'm not sure how pre meditated it was. I could easily see a version of this where he storms on the stage and finds himself in a "shit, what now" frame of mind. For me, the slap didn't flow with the bit before. But I can't imagine myself slapping anyone like that so maybe itnwas always going to look awkward to me. |
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"On one hand we have people saying we need to stop toxic masculinity
On the other we have people (and plenty of women) cheering for another man physically assaulting another person over a joke about their wife
If anyones ever wondering why the fight against “toxic masculinity” is moving so slow, it’s because of mixed messages like this
We should all be against being so unhinged and unable to control your anger you lash out like a toddler
But there’s plenty of people defending that.
So next time a guy thinks it’s ok to start swinging because he’s annoyed, think back to the messages we give to guys like that. "
This is my take too. There is a range of views out there and we need to arm our boys with tej ability to navigate these and make their own decisions with empathy to the range.
We've not yet covered if defending your wife's honour (in non aggressive wasys) is masculine or patriarchal.
I also see a lot of different judgements and inferences on polyamoury and ENM. Which is possibly even more disappointing on a website of this nature. |
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"I don't know why people do these things , l can't lie but if l was lucky to be with a woman l truly loved l would'nt care what kind of dress she wore, if she wanted to wear it who am l to stop her .
Who really knows what Will Smith was thinking BUT Chris Rock should have NOT said anything about his wife not only where he was standing but anytime..he knows NOTHING of what she goes through .. NOTHING ..so he should have kept his mouth closed as regards her .WS slapped him cause it was the only way he knew , sometimes.. sometimes it's the only way .. sometimes, one things for sure , neither will ever forget it .
It absolutely is not the only way he knows. The man is intelligent and eloquent and could easily have dealt with the situations with words.
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I'm talking about that exact moment , lm not talking about him in any other situation , lm talking about that exact moment, sometimes words aren't enough , action speaks louder than words . |
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