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"Long overdue I've just started to notice a few radio and TV adverts with the tagline "enough". They seem very weak and wishy washy but at least it's a long overdue start. " The DV ads? | |||
"Give us a clue. Enough sugar? Enough porn? Enough VAR? Enough Fuel price increases? Enough vague posts? " Enough Jaffa Cakes | |||
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"Long overdue I've just started to notice a few radio and TV adverts with the tagline "enough". They seem very weak and wishy washy but at least it's a long overdue start. " The adverts are for eggs. | |||
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"Enough is enough is enough is enough" When is enough, enough tho  | |||
"Enough what?" Ohhh OK... You See... Its obviously a very low key camoaign if the wise heads of fab forums haven't yet seen them... It's a serious point actually and to address some of the attitudes towards women... Unwanted to touching, unwanted attention, abuse etc... I think it's long overdue but at least a place to start... https://enough.campaign.gov.uk/ | |||
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"Enough what? Ohhh OK... You See... Its obviously a very low key camoaign if the wise heads of fab forums haven't yet seen them... It's a serious point actually and to address some of the attitudes towards women... Unwanted to touching, unwanted attention, abuse etc... I think it's long overdue but at least a place to start... https://enough.campaign.gov.uk/ " Am I a wide head of fab?! 
I think I saw one on tiktok the other day where a guy was harassing a woman at night and his mate was battling with wether to say something or not. | |||
"Seeing those ads on facebook and the comments are all very depressing. Its pretty much guys going "yea but" or "what about" and completely ignoring the point. Agree that its good the Gov are bringing attention to the issues but its weak and inneffective imo " What do you think would be better? | |||
"Seeing those ads on facebook and the comments are all very depressing. Its pretty much guys going "yea but" or "what about" and completely ignoring the point. Agree that its good the Gov are bringing attention to the issues but its weak and inneffective imo What do you think would be better? " It was bought to my attention by my daughter... Who went on to describe a train journey with 6 leering lads smelling her hair... She was scared to say or do anything. Every other passenger did nothing. Thats not OK. What could be done better..? Maybe have some voices of women and girls who've been affected, the things they have to do to get home safely.... I had no idea until it was described to me. | |||
"Enough is enough is enough is enough" But is enough ever enough? | |||
"Seeing those ads on facebook and the comments are all very depressing. Its pretty much guys going "yea but" or "what about" and completely ignoring the point. Agree that its good the Gov are bringing attention to the issues but its weak and inneffective imo What do you think would be better? It was bought to my attention by my daughter... Who went on to describe a train journey with 6 leering lads smelling her hair... She was scared to say or do anything. Every other passenger did nothing. Thats not OK. What could be done better..? Maybe have some voices of women and girls who've been affected, the things they have to do to get home safely.... I had no idea until it was described to me. " I think many men don't realise. Fair point. The passengers not saying anything- men have been killed for looking at teenage groups. In supermarket carparks, on trains. It's shit but I understand why they would stay silent.  | |||
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"Seeing those ads on facebook and the comments are all very depressing. Its pretty much guys going "yea but" or "what about" and completely ignoring the point. Agree that its good the Gov are bringing attention to the issues but its weak and inneffective imo What do you think would be better? It was bought to my attention by my daughter... Who went on to describe a train journey with 6 leering lads smelling her hair... She was scared to say or do anything. Every other passenger did nothing. Thats not OK. What could be done better..? Maybe have some voices of women and girls who've been affected, the things they have to do to get home safely.... I had no idea until it was described to me. I think many men don't realise. Fair point. The passengers not saying anything- men have been killed for looking at teenage groups. In supermarket carparks, on trains. It's shit but I understand why they would stay silent. "In my youth, public bad behaviour was tackled at source by the older generations, and we would have certainly not done anything to get ourselves in trouble with them. I seem to remember that as I grew older, the older generational correction was deterred and replaced with messages of not getting involved, or it could be you in trouble. I have often wondered if that change in attitudes created a safe place for bad behaviour, or did it remove overbearing elders and their old fashioned ways? Growing up between the, get a clip and don't get involved, I've never been sure. | |||
"Long overdue I've just started to notice a few radio and TV adverts with the tagline "enough". They seem very weak and wishy washy but at least it's a long overdue start. The adverts are for eggs. " "An Egg" in French and is "un oeuf". | |||
"What does enough mean though and when is it never enough? In 38 years in the workforce I've only had to deal with 2 incidents that involved any form of abuse or inappropriate actions. In the first case I disciplined a male member of staff for sexual comments to a female colleague. He headbutted me as a result the following day and played the mental health card and couldn't be dismissed. Around the same time a woman used to wolf whistle and shout sexual innuendos at the warehouse staff from the office window. When I asked the office manager to discipline her in line with company policy I was told it had been discussed at board level and a decision taken not to proceed as it could be deemed sexist and they were afraid she might go to court. I've seen women take children into male only changing rooms and staff were powerless to remove them but they were able to call the police when a father attempted to take his daughter into the female changing area. I have grown daughters who between them could only come up with one incident where they felt at risk and uneasy and that involved a d*unk woman threatening them. I call out any inappropriate behaviour I witness and have never been guilty of it at any stage in my life and yet on threads like these I have been told I'm not doing enough and need to do more. So back to my original questions. What does enough mean and when is it never enough? " It's a good point. In this context I assume its a one word tagline / hashtag that hopefully stirs people into relevant thoughts, processes and actions they wouldn't normally have had...and for the better. | |||
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"Seeing those ads on facebook and the comments are all very depressing. Its pretty much guys going "yea but" or "what about" and completely ignoring the point. Agree that its good the Gov are bringing attention to the issues but its weak and inneffective imo What do you think would be better? It was bought to my attention by my daughter... Who went on to describe a train journey with 6 leering lads smelling her hair... She was scared to say or do anything. Every other passenger did nothing. Thats not OK. What could be done better..? Maybe have some voices of women and girls who've been affected, the things they have to do to get home safely.... I had no idea until it was described to me. " Why should it always be for the victims to showcase their trauma to make men pay attention? The point of this campaign is for men to start challenging each other on what is not acceptable behaviour. That is the way to get behaviour change embedded among whole groups of people. Women shouldn't have to do things to get home safely. Men should stop making us unsafe. | |||
"It all seems pretty pointless if im brutally honest. Many men will ALWAYS behave in such a manner, sure a lot of men know better whether thats due to proper parenting or simply having better self restraint and logical thinking, but the act of pursuing a woman both verbally and physically is deeply rooted into the male psyche, its in our genes Just look at how much documentation there is on the animal kingdom, where a male or group of males will pursue a female, and often attack her young, in order to reproduce. Of course when it comes to humans its a bit more complicated than that, as its purely seeking pleasure which is a greater incentive for a human male than mere reproduction. However the principle remains the same, its the genetic code within the male, the hormones that are produced, its basic biological nature doing its work. Also when it comes to groups of men, theres that group mentality, competition and one-upmanship, someone who wouldnt harass a woman by themselves is more likely to do so in a group who will What worries me most is the never ending campaign to address the problems women face, as it can have repercussions in other ways that will damage society. As RealityBites mentioned, a woman who behaved in an appropriate manner at the workplace was let off the hook out of fear of her taking the company to court for sexism Its becoming more prevalent in todays society where the voice of the victim has the most power, and it is definitely being used for malicious and personal gain, and a lot of women know this and will use it to their advantage Im not saying we shouldnt do our best as a society to try combat harassment and abuse towards women, however i do feel we are going about it in the wrong way and there is a lot of bias in favour of women (going back to what RealityBites said) that is hindering progress in the right direction" OK so in the example I mention above.(the train) What should happen to either stop the behaviour on the train journey or for it never to happen in the first place...? Or do you think its OK for it to be that way? | |||
"It all seems pretty pointless if im brutally honest. Many men will ALWAYS behave in such a manner, sure a lot of men know better whether thats due to proper parenting or simply having better self restraint and logical thinking, but the act of pursuing a woman both verbally and physically is deeply rooted into the male psyche, its in our genes Just look at how much documentation there is on the animal kingdom, where a male or group of males will pursue a female, and often attack her young, in order to reproduce. Of course when it comes to humans its a bit more complicated than that, as its purely seeking pleasure which is a greater incentive for a human male than mere reproduction. However the principle remains the same, its the genetic code within the male, the hormones that are produced, its basic biological nature doing its work. Also when it comes to groups of men, theres that group mentality, competition and one-upmanship, someone who wouldnt harass a woman by themselves is more likely to do so in a group who will What worries me most is the never ending campaign to address the problems women face, as it can have repercussions in other ways that will damage society. As RealityBites mentioned, a woman who behaved in an appropriate manner at the workplace was let off the hook out of fear of her taking the company to court for sexism Its becoming more prevalent in todays society where the voice of the victim has the most power, and it is definitely being used for malicious and personal gain, and a lot of women know this and will use it to their advantage Im not saying we shouldnt do our best as a society to try combat harassment and abuse towards women, however i do feel we are going about it in the wrong way and there is a lot of bias in favour of women (going back to what RealityBites said) that is hindering progress in the right direction OK so in the example I mention above.(the train) What should happen to either stop the behaviour on the train journey or for it never to happen in the first place...? Or do you think its OK for it to be that way? " I never said or implied it was okay... i was stating that a lot of whats being done is having little effect on the problem as much of the rhetoric isnt acknowledging or addressing the root causes of the behaviour. In case of the train incident, other passengers shouldve stepped in, unfortunately ppl are too afraid to take action out of selfish self preservation and would rather allow another person to be harassed or worse. Also i do believe that women need to stand up for themselves more, and women dont do nearly enough of this. Actions speak louder than words. The whole reason men make the decision of behaving in such a way is cos they believe women are weak and vulnerable, and sorry to say this but in many cases this is sadly true, many women are weak and vulnerable, thats the bitter and hard truth that doesnt seem to acknowledged at all. Am i sexist for believing that? Fuck no. Women can be strong and independent and they need to believe that in order to stand up for themselves against harassment and abuse, when nobody else will. Sadly not enough women do and by failing to stand up for themselves they allow themselves to be harrased, and other women too. And no that doesnt mean im saying its womens faults for why they get harrassed in the first place, however as a collective species everyone, man or woman, has a part to play, neither gender is free from fault. Deterrence is one of the best forms of defense against sexual harassment and abuse, if more men knew how risky it would be to sexually harass a woman then the number of incidents will decline. And i dont mean prison sentences, i mean a man who tries to sexually harass a woman, almost or definitely, getting his ass kicked, along with being arrested (the voice of self preservation in the back of his head will make him think twice before acting). How likely is a man to sexually harass or abuse a woman if the previous attempt was met with serious confrontation by the victim or a group of bystanders? Far less likely i can tell you that much. All this rhetoric, the hastags and followings, how much good has it really done? Has it had the effect society hoped for? I dont think so. Therefore a different approach needs to be taken, so to reiterate, actions speak louder than words. As so far all ive seen come from all this campaigning and rhetoric is women still being sexually harassed on a regular basis but now they can use the victim/sexism card to get away with their own inappropriate behaviour or use it to their advantage with malicious intent. What could be done better to help combat sexual harassment/abuse? Self defense classes as part of a school curriculum for girls to help build their confidence, that also has a knock-on effect with the young boys in school when they see girls are able to defend themselves (combating the problem early before it can manifest in men is a crucial part of solving these problems). And that being said, better education in schools highlighting the problems and the repercussions such behaviour can bring. This can also lead to better parenting in future generations, what they learnt in school can be passed down to the next generation. And beyond that, ppl need to simply grow a fucking spine and stop being so damn selfish. They see a woman being sexually harassed they need to step up and help her instead of sitting by and doing nothing. Cos while they may believe and regurgitate this same rhetoric about sexual harassment against women being wrong, the moment they do nothing when they witness it they become equally to blame as the men who harass. | |||
