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"don't meet surely! Legality is not the same as moral obligation " As above and close the profile until things are sorted. Surely anyone who had an STI wouldn't feel much like playing anyway. XXXX | |||
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"don't meet surely! Legality is not the same as moral obligation " I ask because the man I 'played' with some months ago, tells me he was not legally obliged to as long as he practiced safe sex. His then partner and some swinging friends agreed and encouraged him to continue swinging without declaring what he had. He is dissappointed that I will not meet him again, and be 'friends'. | |||
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"don't meet surely! Legality is not the same as moral obligation " Indeed! | |||
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"Should you......... Make a potential meet aware during initial messaging ? Make your meet aware when you are actually face to face ie meeting for initial social drink ? Declare before any sexual activity occurs ? Apparently, one is not legally obliged to say anything at all, as long as penetration involves the use of a condom ? " ummm NOT MEET! | |||
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"I'd hope that if anyone had a sti they would seriously consider taking a break from ALL sexual contact until it has gone!" I agree 100% (Perky) | |||
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"I'd hope that if anyone had a sti they would seriously consider taking a break from ALL sexual contact until it has gone!" Nope, they are back on the site, and can't see why I am upset | |||
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"I'd hope that if anyone had a sti they would seriously consider taking a break from ALL sexual contact until it has gone!" You'd think so wouldn't you, but selfish, dangerous people have no such compunction. | |||
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"I would have the courage and honesty to mention it in my profile... And not meet sexually until it was cleared up.... I would not judge someone who had an STI, it may not be a reflection on their sexual practices.... Unless they were criminally dishonest enough to try to hide the fact... Kudos to those who manage temporary illness and protect the rest of us.... " I do not judge anyone with STI's, and would not discount sexual activity with a potential life partner. I did however hope an experienced swinger would have disclosed his status and allowed me me make an informed choice BEFORE sexual activity. | |||
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"Can I just check the OP isn't referring to boy racers in Subarus ? Seriously though - if anyone posts any differently to the above - i'll run naked down Oxford St in the middle of the xmas sales! " Get naked, well semi... Get tested. Take precautions. Be honest. If you had something permanent, would you give up all sex forever? I would rather someone told me and I could make the decision than have it so stigmatised that we go back to lying or sticking fingers in ears and singing la la laaa. Do you stop all play when you have a cold sore on your mouth. That's a permanent infection, it's herpes, and transmittable. I have real difficulties with people reading things like this and then making the decision to say 'no, I'm clean' in order to keep getting meets. | |||
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"Can I just check the OP isn't referring to boy racers in Subarus ? Seriously though - if anyone posts any differently to the above - i'll run naked down Oxford St in the middle of the xmas sales! " I'm a little tempted to disagree with all of the above... But seriously... If it was me (and so far never been in the situation) and assuming it was something that can be treated with anti-biotics and can be got rid of, then I wouldn't be meeting until I had been tested again and had the all clear. I don't even meet in the run up to my regular GUM clinic checks, nor do I meet after a GUM clinic visit until I have my results and have the all clear. Assuming it's something that will stay with you for life, then I wouldn't keep swinging. There will be people in the situation who will choose to keep swinging / meeting and the whole legally / morally argument comes into play. If they're honest about the situation upfront from the outset allowing people to choose whether to meet them or not, then while it's not something I would do, no-one can really "stop" them from swinging. To be honest I dread to think how many members are not STI free and either don't tell anyone, or don't even know themselves because for whatever reason they think they "Don't need to be checked" | |||
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"it I think comes from some high profile incidents in the past where people have been charged with "grievous bodily harm" for passing on HIV knowing that they have it, not taking precautions and not informing their partners of such..... so far, for STI's at the "lower end" of the scale, if it not "life threatening" you dont have to.... saying that, I am sure most people wouldn't play knowing they had something and realising they could pass it on.... it is reckless, but the law hasn't been tested at that end yet... " But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting | |||
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"it I think comes from some high profile incidents in the past where people have been charged with "grievous bodily harm" for passing on HIV knowing that they have it, not taking precautions and not informing their partners of such..... so far, for STI's at the "lower end" of the scale, if it not "life threatening" you dont have to.... saying that, I am sure most people wouldn't play knowing they had something and realising they could pass it on.... it is reckless, but the law hasn't been tested at that end yet... But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting " So, you think he has 'the big one that everyone dreads'? Report him to admin and let them sort it out. IF it is true, then he is playing with ALL his potential meets lives!! | |||
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"it I think comes from some high profile incidents in the past where people have been charged with "grievous bodily harm" for passing on HIV knowing that they have it, not taking precautions and not informing their partners of such..... so far, for STI's at the "lower end" of the scale, if it not "life threatening" you dont have to.... saying that, I am sure most people wouldn't play knowing they had something and realising they could pass it on.... it is reckless, but the law hasn't been tested at that end yet... But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting So, you think he has 'the big one that everyone dreads'? Report him to admin and let them sort it out. IF it is true, then he is playing with ALL his potential meets lives!! " What can admin do though? | |||
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"it I think comes from some high profile incidents in the past where people have been charged with "grievous bodily harm" for passing on HIV knowing that they have it, not taking precautions and not informing their partners of such..... so far, for STI's at the "lower end" of the scale, if it not "life threatening" you dont have to.... saying that, I am sure most people wouldn't play knowing they had something and realising they could pass it on.... it is reckless, but the law hasn't been tested at that end yet... But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting So, you think he has 'the big one that everyone dreads'? Report him to admin and let them sort it out. IF it is true, then he is playing with ALL his potential meets lives!! What can admin do though?" Not a clue really, i'm probably being niave! Its a sunday aft and i'm slightly hungover so not thinking straight, lol. | |||
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" But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting " I am not advocating you playing with someone with HIV nor suggesting you should be his friend because he is HIV+. I am friends with lots of people who are HIV+ (not just because of my work) and most are in committed relationships and did not have any sexual contact with ANYONE of ANYSORT for many years until they met that special person. A couple of people will have more casual sex but always inform and allow people to make the decision. As to being friends, if I like someone (I stress I) and continue to trust them then I would remain their friend. Don't forget the Heps, herpes and warts - all for life one way or another and all bigs ones in my eyes. The big one I worry about most for young people is chlamydia: very treatable and temporary as a disease but can make women infertile and that's forever. Be safe, be honest, look after yourself and get tested. Be honourable in all of your dealings. | |||
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" But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting " Regardless of claims of what people may or may not have said about being encouraged to carry on meeting,you have made a choice not to meet again even as friends,that choice should be respected the same as if you had decided not to meet for a different reason,no-one has to do anything they don't feel comfortable with on here | |||
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"on Gay sites, a lot have a status option to identify HIV + or - all are welcomed on the site and I applaud people who declare their status upfront. " Seriously... I'm going to stop answering threads like these, and take the easy option of waiting till you post to add a few | |||
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" But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting " in which case if you are talking about HIV, the he is breaking the law as it stands at the moment because it does contain a bit about given people "informed choices"........ which is is not doing by not revealing.... so his friends are wrong...... but I am not sure what admin can do in respect to his profile..... all you can do is inform them of what you know..... | |||
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" But I am talking 'the big one' that everybody dreads. I am just reeling because HE is upset that I won't meet again as friends, and he claims that others from this site supported him to carry on meeting I am not advocating you playing with someone with HIV nor suggesting you should be his friend because he is HIV+. I am friends with lots of people who are HIV+ (not just because of my work) and most are in committed relationships and did not have any sexual contact with ANYONE of ANYSORT for many years until they met that special person. A couple of people will have more casual sex but always inform and allow people to make the decision. As to being friends, if I like someone (I stress I) and continue to trust them then I would remain their friend. Don't forget the Heps, herpes and warts - all for life one way or another and all bigs ones in my eyes. The big one I worry about most for young people is chlamydia: very treatable and temporary as a disease but can make women infertile and that's forever. Be safe, be honest, look after yourself and get tested. Be honourable in all of your dealings." In one of my earlier posts I did say I do not have a problem with people with HIV, and would not discount sexual relations with some I considered a possible lifelong partner. I am shocked and hurt that someone continued to swing with HIV and didn't tell me when they were aware of their status. Then more shocked when they claimed to be the injured party because I wouldn't meet again as 'friends' | |||
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