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"Nope. I doubt very many are. are what ? "
I think he's saying many are unaware of the cis terminology.
Though in my experience, forum users are generally familiar with it. I consider it a word in common use. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
The arguments on here over the term cis is unreal and hard to miss so you've done well not getting drawn in before now.
Cis means born gender  "
a high percentage of TERFs on here as well then ? I’m new to the forum x |
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
The arguments on here over the term cis is unreal and hard to miss so you've done well not getting drawn in before now.
Cis means born gender a high percentage of TERFs on here as well then ? I’m new to the forum x "
What’s terf mate? |
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple "
Not quite sure what you mean by the thread title? Would a MF couple not include a cis woman? |
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here."
well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours |
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours "
Free speech we used to call it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple
Not quite sure what you mean by the thread title? Would a MF couple not include a cis woman? "
yeah I’d love to be licking a puss with a cock deep inside me, no chance of that in the sister site |
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours
Free speech we used to call it."
Please can we not get started on this? |
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours
Free speech we used to call it."
Hate speech more like |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
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I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though |
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple
Have you tried clubs?  "
no I’m Edinburgh side of Scotland after 8 club has shut I’ve only been transitioning for just over a year was a very different person before |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
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I agree with you on this, I don't identify as a CIS nor would I want to.
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though "
Not sure it's derogratory. I don't like being called a cis man. Maybe it's just me. I prefer just to be called a man. Now if that is some of hate crime then I will be a Dutchman's uncle... |
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By *inx.x3Woman
over a year ago
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I agree with you on this, I don't identify as a CIS nor would I want to.
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Same |
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple
Have you tried clubs?
no I’m Edinburgh side of Scotland after 8 club has shut I’ve only been transitioning for just over a year was a very different person before "
Hope you are happier now.
Maybe try the Advanced search. Or change your postcode on your profile to a nearby area as that will bring up new people. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though "
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them. |
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No it’s just a way trans people see the world, I would do anything to be a cis woman but I can only try my best as I have left it rather late in life x |
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"No it’s just a way trans people see the world, I would do anything to be a cis woman but I can only try my best as I have left it rather late in life x "
If you identify me as a CIS woman, what do you identify yourself as if you don't mind me asking |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them. "
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used. |
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"No it’s just a way trans people see the world, I would do anything to be a cis woman but I can only try my best as I have left it rather late in life x
If you identify me as a CIS woman, what do you identify yourself as if you don't mind me asking"
trans woman x |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them. "
Not different or strange but I’m not going to use a term to describe myself, that I’ve never used and that someone else has decided I am to be called |
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"No it’s just a way trans people see the world, I would do anything to be a cis woman but I can only try my best as I have left it rather late in life x
If you identify me as a CIS woman, what do you identify yourself as if you don't mind me asking trans woman x "
I thought so thank you. I just refer to myself as a woman obviously but I can understand why the term CIS woman is used x |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used. "
The people “objecting” to the Latin word for “not trans” tend to jump on any thread where a trans person happens to mention either that they are trans, or that some other people aren’t.
The OP has not, as far as I’m aware, run up and slapped a “hello I am cis” badge on anyone. She has used the word when describing her experience on this site and on FG.
People who object to the term “cis” cast from the same mould as those who objected to “heterosexual” to mean “not gay”.
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
Not different or strange but I’m not going to use a term to describe myself, that I’ve never used and that someone else has decided I am to be called "
Great. You don’t have to. |
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"A cd guy who just likes cock but attracted to women and not men? What’s my abbreviation?"
well you’re definitely on the trans spectrum but I’m betting you stay in male mode in society, i have a female nhs number, my passport is female driving license bank account etc etc
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used.
The people “objecting” to the Latin word for “not trans” tend to jump on any thread where a trans person happens to mention either that they are trans, or that some other people aren’t.
The OP has not, as far as I’m aware, run up and slapped a “hello I am cis” badge on anyone. She has used the word when describing her experience on this site and on FG.
People who object to the term “cis” cast from the same mould as those who objected to “heterosexual” to mean “not gay”.
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that’s an extremely good point x and a huge thank you for gendering me correctly xxXxXxx |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used.
The people “objecting” to the Latin word for “not trans” tend to jump on any thread where a trans person happens to mention either that they are trans, or that some other people aren’t.
The OP has not, as far as I’m aware, run up and slapped a “hello I am cis” badge on anyone. She has used the word when describing her experience on this site and on FG.
People who object to the term “cis” cast from the same mould as those who objected to “heterosexual” to mean “not gay”.
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To be fair its not the Latin word for not trans, its the Latin word for "this side of" while trans is the Latin word for "other side".
So if a trans woman asks to not be called a transwoman, but referred to as a woman, while everyone else is calling her a trans woman, is that or is it not disrespectful toward her? It's not any different to respecting any pronouns people would like to be used for themselves.
It is about respecting what people want to be referred to as. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
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None is forcing the label cis on anyone, it is , in my opinion a label used to define in details at specific times, for example:
When there needs to be a differentiation between trans and cis WOMEN (or trans/cis men), instead of using adjectives like “normal” or “real” that automatically make a trans woman “not normal” “not real” (as the contrary of normal is not normal)
But as lots of people just love to say stuff like “he’s trans/she’s trans” I don’t understand the madness of others saying “he’s cis/she’s cis” since people seem to get MAD about the term. Fair enough, but then don’t expect trans people to be okay if you say the same… |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used.
The people “objecting” to the Latin word for “not trans” tend to jump on any thread where a trans person happens to mention either that they are trans, or that some other people aren’t.
The OP has not, as far as I’m aware, run up and slapped a “hello I am cis” badge on anyone. She has used the word when describing her experience on this site and on FG.
People who object to the term “cis” cast from the same mould as those who objected to “heterosexual” to mean “not gay”.
To be fair its not the Latin word for not trans, its the Latin word for "this side of" while trans is the Latin word for "other side".
So if a trans woman asks to not be called a transwoman, but referred to as a woman, while everyone else is calling her a trans woman, is that or is it not disrespectful toward her? It's not any different to respecting any pronouns people would like to be used for themselves.
It is about respecting what people want to be referred to as. "
And if “ciswoman” was being proposed as a replacement for the word “woman” then that might make sense.
The reason many trans people* object to “transman” or “transwoman” without the space between is precisely because it indicates being part of a different set rather than a sub set.
*this is what trans friends have told me, I don’t presume to speak for them. |
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OP I don't see why you might not find a MF couple - I've certainly seen some say they're interested in trans women. But it's the same old problem isn't it - finding people close enough. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used.
The people “objecting” to the Latin word for “not trans” tend to jump on any thread where a trans person happens to mention either that they are trans, or that some other people aren’t.
The OP has not, as far as I’m aware, run up and slapped a “hello I am cis” badge on anyone. She has used the word when describing her experience on this site and on FG.
People who object to the term “cis” cast from the same mould as those who objected to “heterosexual” to mean “not gay”.
that’s an extremely good point x and a huge thank you for gendering me correctly xxXxXxx "
You’re very welcome, and thank you! x |
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"OP I don't see why you might not find a MF couple - I've certainly seen some say they're interested in trans women. But it's the same old problem isn't it - finding people close enough. "
definitely and being in Hawick ATM don’t help x the black hole of Scotland x
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"OP I don't see why you might not find a MF couple - I've certainly seen some say they're interested in trans women. But it's the same old problem isn't it - finding people close enough. definitely and being in Hawick ATM don’t help x the black hole of Scotland x "
I haven't heard of that one. If you'd be prepared to travel or meet midway perhaps that opens up more options? |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
I guess it’s a term used in the trans community more than in real life, I can’t see why it would be derogatory though
There’s a hard core of gender conservatives on here unfortunately who object to anything that feels different or strange to them.
To be fair strapping on cis as a label on people goes against respecting what people would like to be called or referred to. The intent may not be derogatory, but some people clearly ask to not be referred to as it or called it. It should be respected and not forced upon them.
That said others should understand and learn what it means, and why it is used. It's not the end of the world if it is used.
The people “objecting” to the Latin word for “not trans” tend to jump on any thread where a trans person happens to mention either that they are trans, or that some other people aren’t.
The OP has not, as far as I’m aware, run up and slapped a “hello I am cis” badge on anyone. She has used the word when describing her experience on this site and on FG.
People who object to the term “cis” cast from the same mould as those who objected to “heterosexual” to mean “not gay”.
To be fair its not the Latin word for not trans, its the Latin word for "this side of" while trans is the Latin word for "other side".
So if a trans woman asks to not be called a transwoman, but referred to as a woman, while everyone else is calling her a trans woman, is that or is it not disrespectful toward her? It's not any different to respecting any pronouns people would like to be used for themselves.
It is about respecting what people want to be referred to as.
And if “ciswoman” was being proposed as a replacement for the word “woman” then that might make sense.
The reason many trans people* object to “transman” or “transwoman” without the space between is precisely because it indicates being part of a different set rather than a sub set.
*this is what trans friends have told me, I don’t presume to speak for them. "
I know I’ll always be seen as an obvious trans woman in public that’s why it don’t bother me x for the lucky ones that can pass as cis it’s a different story they sometimes have to admit there not cis in a relationship, coaching the voice is an extremely hard part of passing as cis |
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"OP I don't see why you might not find a MF couple - I've certainly seen some say they're interested in trans women. But it's the same old problem isn't it - finding people close enough. definitely and being in Hawick ATM don’t help x the black hole of Scotland x
I haven't heard of that one. If you'd be prepared to travel or meet midway perhaps that opens up more options? "
absolutely I’m a long distance cyclist but I’m thinking of getting another motorcycle soon x |
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"CIS??
TERF??
Fuck me I’ve just become old…
It’s trying to highlight that your a chick with a dick yeah?"
Yeah I’m a chick with a stick but I hope sometime soon that will change x |
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"CIS??
TERF??
Fuck me I’ve just become old…
It’s trying to highlight that your a chick with a dick yeah?"
God, what a crappy offensive term that is, to refer to (pre op) trans women  |
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours "
OK I think you need to calm down. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
None is forcing the label cis on anyone, it is , in my opinion a label used to define in details at specific times, for example:
When there needs to be a differentiation between trans and cis WOMEN (or trans/cis men), instead of using adjectives like “normal” or “real” that automatically make a trans woman “not normal” “not real” (as the contrary of normal is not normal)
But as lots of people just love to say stuff like “he’s trans/she’s trans” I don’t understand the madness of others saying “he’s cis/she’s cis” since people seem to get MAD about the term. Fair enough, but then don’t expect trans people to be okay if you say the same… "
Why not use NBW for natural born women instead? |
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours
OK I think you need to calm down. "
Apologies x |
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours
Free speech we used to call it.
Hate speech more like "
Can you tell me what she has said that hateful? She has an opinion but you obviously don't like it doesn't make her hateful. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
None is forcing the label cis on anyone, it is , in my opinion a label used to define in details at specific times, for example:
When there needs to be a differentiation between trans and cis WOMEN (or trans/cis men), instead of using adjectives like “normal” or “real” that automatically make a trans woman “not normal” “not real” (as the contrary of normal is not normal)
But as lots of people just love to say stuff like “he’s trans/she’s trans” I don’t understand the madness of others saying “he’s cis/she’s cis” since people seem to get MAD about the term. Fair enough, but then don’t expect trans people to be okay if you say the same…
Why not use NBW for natural born women instead? "
Think about what the opposite of “natural” is and then think about what that might not be okay.
“But I’m not cis, I’m just normal”.
It’s the same reason we don’t use “coloured” as a term for “not white” when talking about people any more. Centring “normal” or “natural” around what “people like me” look like is the first step on the way to bigotry. |
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple "
Yep, I bet if I joined Fabguys I’d find it easier to get a meet than with a MF couple on here, there’s a lot of competition / demand for MF couples so it’s always going to be harder on here I think |
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple
Yep, I bet if I joined Fabguys I’d find it easier to get a meet than with a MF couple on here, there’s a lot of competition / demand for MF couples so it’s always going to be harder on here I think "
no females allowed on fabguys x |
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"Compared to the sister site Fabguys I see it’s mainly cis woman on there, would love to meet a MF couple
Yep, I bet if I joined Fabguys I’d find it easier to get a meet than with a MF couple on here, there’s a lot of competition / demand for MF couples so it’s always going to be harder on here I think no females allowed on fabguys x "
or should I say cis woman x |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father! "
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion! |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!"
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!"
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do. "
Where is the ridicule?  I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do. "
I only know of a lot of terminology from being on here.
I had no idea what BBC or BBW meant until I joined up 12 years ago.
I don't read or watch much news or read articles around sexuality. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years. "
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
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"trans exclusionary radical feminist someone who’s gender critical x like J. K. Rowling
Very successful women then? Fair few on here. well I guess she wrote a few books and sold them for a few bob but she’s needs to keep her transphobic mouth shut as it does her no favours "
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
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I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage. "
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
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Racism doesn’t come up in life for many white people.
Lack of wheelchair access doesn’t come up in life for many non wheelchair users.
Homophobia and biphobia don’t come up in life for many straight people.
“Woke” means being aware and mindful of these and other issues that might not directly impact you. I’m really not sure why so many people see it as being a bad thing. |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage.
I didn't mention ridicule, but I'm surprised you think everyone will know terminology regarding gender. "
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
Racism doesn’t come up in life for many white people.
Lack of wheelchair access doesn’t come up in life for many non wheelchair users.
Homophobia and biphobia don’t come up in life for many straight people.
“Woke” means being aware and mindful of these and other issues that might not directly impact you. I’m really not sure why so many people see it as being a bad thing. "
Oh pardon us for not living next door to a terf. |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!"
I didn’t know what Cis meant before fab and I only know what terf meant about 5 days ago when I was reading a thread. |
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over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage.
I didn't mention ridicule, but I'm surprised you think everyone will know terminology regarding gender. "
Lorna suggested I was ridiculing people for not knowing terminology. I've said why I'm surprised - gender identity is seen by many people as a newsworthy and important issue. It has come up in so many areas of society - sport, politics, law. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
Racism doesn’t come up in life for many white people.
Lack of wheelchair access doesn’t come up in life for many non wheelchair users.
Homophobia and biphobia don’t come up in life for many straight people.
“Woke” means being aware and mindful of these and other issues that might not directly impact you. I’m really not sure why so many people see it as being a bad thing. "
Those things have been around for a very long time. Many people aren't woke to new words yet, even though they know about trans people and gender identity. It's relatively recent that we've been told of the many different genders and been calling women who aren't trans cis women.
No one I know in real life has ever used the word.
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage.
I didn't mention ridicule, but I'm surprised you think everyone will know terminology regarding gender.
Lorna suggested I was ridiculing people for not knowing terminology. I've said why I'm surprised - gender identity is seen by many people as a newsworthy and important issue. It has come up in so many areas of society - sport, politics, law. "
Yes, but the words cis and terf don't. I have only read them on here. |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
Racism doesn’t come up in life for many white people.
Lack of wheelchair access doesn’t come up in life for many non wheelchair users.
Homophobia and biphobia don’t come up in life for many straight people.
“Woke” means being aware and mindful of these and other issues that might not directly impact you. I’m really not sure why so many people see it as being a bad thing.
Oh pardon us for not living next door to a terf."
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage.
I didn't mention ridicule, but I'm surprised you think everyone will know terminology regarding gender.
Lorna suggested I was ridiculing people for not knowing terminology. I've said why I'm surprised - gender identity is seen by many people as a newsworthy and important issue. It has come up in so many areas of society - sport, politics, law.
Yes, but the words cis and terf don't. I have only read them on here."
They come up constantly in the media coverage of gender identity issues. But as you say, obviously we all approach current affairs differently and I shouldn't assume people follow issues the same way I do. |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
Racism doesn’t come up in life for many white people.
Lack of wheelchair access doesn’t come up in life for many non wheelchair users.
Homophobia and biphobia don’t come up in life for many straight people.
“Woke” means being aware and mindful of these and other issues that might not directly impact you. I’m really not sure why so many people see it as being a bad thing.
Oh pardon us for not living next door to a terf.
Was that necessary? It was a thoughtful comment. "
Was telling everyone your dad knows what it means so your surprised everyone else doesn't necessary as well then. |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
I doubt many people I know will know of either term.
Things like that don't come up in their life, or conversations.
Racism doesn’t come up in life for many white people.
Lack of wheelchair access doesn’t come up in life for many non wheelchair users.
Homophobia and biphobia don’t come up in life for many straight people.
“Woke” means being aware and mindful of these and other issues that might not directly impact you. I’m really not sure why so many people see it as being a bad thing.
Oh pardon us for not living next door to a terf.
Was that necessary? It was a thoughtful comment.
Was telling everyone your dad knows what it means so your surprised everyone else doesn't necessary as well then. "
I was surprised that people were not aware. You keep making out that I am being negative about others. I'm just taken aback as it's something I've discussed with a wide range of people in real life. I don't know why you're being hostile. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years.
Some people don't scroll through media or read newspapers, except for the sport or things that interest them. Just because something is important in your life it doesn't mean it is in everyone's else's.
I only found out what cis meant because of a thread on here not that long ago.
I didn't have a clue what was going on with Russia and the Ukraine until very recently either.
I haven't ridiculed anyone or put anyone down for not knowing the terms or about selfID for example. Merely expressed surprise that people don't know about gender identity issues when there is constant coverage.
I didn't mention ridicule, but I'm surprised you think everyone will know terminology regarding gender.
Lorna suggested I was ridiculing people for not knowing terminology. I've said why I'm surprised - gender identity is seen by many people as a newsworthy and important issue. It has come up in so many areas of society - sport, politics, law.
Yes, but the words cis and terf don't. I have only read them on here.
They come up constantly in the media coverage of gender identity issues. But as you say, obviously we all approach current affairs differently and I shouldn't assume people follow issues the same way I do. "
No, you shouldn't assume that.
Sport is a huge part of life all over the world but I bet many people don't know much about any of it.
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father!
My 77yo Dad knows what Cis and Terf mean. Not quite sure how people can miss the discussion!
Good for him but let's not ridicule people who don't know just because some people's dads do.
Where is the ridicule? I am very surprised that people aren't familiar with an issue that has been high profile across the media for years. "
Why does it surprise you? I am only familiar with the terms because of Fab....High profile media? Is there such a thing?  |
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over a year ago
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"There are a lot of new gender terms these days, it confuses many including me, be patient with people "
Indeed. Some people are clued up and know exactly what to say, some people are clued up but filled with hate. Some people are just ignorant, and some people are still adjusting and fully respecting of thing changing but needing that time to learn.
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
None is forcing the label cis on anyone, it is , in my opinion a label used to define in details at specific times, for example:
When there needs to be a differentiation between trans and cis WOMEN (or trans/cis men), instead of using adjectives like “normal” or “real” that automatically make a trans woman “not normal” “not real” (as the contrary of normal is not normal)
But as lots of people just love to say stuff like “he’s trans/she’s trans” I don’t understand the madness of others saying “he’s cis/she’s cis” since people seem to get MAD about the term. Fair enough, but then don’t expect trans people to be okay if you say the same…
Why not use NBW for natural born women instead? "
Or even woman. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
None is forcing the label cis on anyone, it is , in my opinion a label used to define in details at specific times, for example:
When there needs to be a differentiation between trans and cis WOMEN (or trans/cis men), instead of using adjectives like “normal” or “real” that automatically make a trans woman “not normal” “not real” (as the contrary of normal is not normal)
But as lots of people just love to say stuff like “he’s trans/she’s trans” I don’t understand the madness of others saying “he’s cis/she’s cis” since people seem to get MAD about the term. Fair enough, but then don’t expect trans people to be okay if you say the same…
Why not use NBW for natural born women instead?
Or even woman."
That’s what I am and what I will always wish to be referred to as but I understand if you’re discussing a woman and a trans woman these different words are relevant. |
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There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
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So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh. |
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh. "
So calling out Adele at the song awards for saying she likes being a woman is not moronic.. ?
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh. "
We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it.. |
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh.
We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it.. "
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh. "
Please share the hate speech and hate crime you talk about.. has Harry Potter author commited a crime .. has she made a hate speech? Please enlighten |
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it.. "
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
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Agreed.. please highlight the hate speech of Adele as an example?
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
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And highlighting hate speech and bigotry where it does not exist detracts from the cause.. |
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh.
Please share the hate speech and hate crime you talk about.. has Harry Potter author commited a crime .. has she made a hate speech? Please enlighten "
Which part of your Gish Gallop would you prefer I address? Adele? JKR? Hate-isn’t-hate? Labels?
No. You’re clearly coming at this from a bad faith position. There are countless articles and essays identifying the issues in JKRs problematic article if you cared to find them. |
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
Agreed.. please highlight the hate speech of Adele as an example?
I saw no hate "
Gish galloping. I didn’t say she made any hate speech. She’s a famous LGBT ally. |
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"OP I don't see why you might not find a MF couple - I've certainly seen some say they're interested in trans women. But it's the same old problem isn't it - finding people close enough. definitely and being in Hawick ATM don’t help x the black hole of Scotland x "
finally one I know ATM = ass to mouth.
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh.
Please share the hate speech and hate crime you talk about.. has Harry Potter author commited a crime .. has she made a hate speech? Please enlighten
Which part of your Gish Gallop would you prefer I address? Adele? JKR? Hate-isn’t-hate? Labels?
No. You’re clearly coming at this from a bad faith position. There are countless articles and essays identifying the issues in JKRs problematic article if you cared to find them. "
Please enlighten me.. Start with Adele |
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"There two camps here... 99% of the population don't give a rats arse what people do in the privacy of their own homes and they can identify as a mongoose for all they care..
I identify as a man.
Not as a cis man.. just a man.. label yourself and don't label me.. of the less than 0.01% that are either transvesite, transexual or whatever label they like..
99% of these people live in peace but then we have another category that I will label.. these are the morons who seem to revel in claiming that everyone hates them and everything is a hate crime.. I wonder if they just hate themselves..
So if the minority is small enough we don’t need to be inclusive?
Also, conflating being trans with “identifying as a mongoose” just shows a lack of understanding or compassion.
“Identifying as” isn’t even commonly used anyway, other than in response to a specific question. It, and “born in the wrong body” before it are imperfect terms used to try to help people understand concepts that are new to them.
But yeah, you do you. Make jokes and call people moronic for calling out hate speech and hate crimes. If fine for them to be whoever they are as long as it is behind closed doors and you never need to worry about it, eh.
Please share the hate speech and hate crime you talk about.. has Harry Potter author commited a crime .. has she made a hate speech? Please enlighten
Which part of your Gish Gallop would you prefer I address? Adele? JKR? Hate-isn’t-hate? Labels?
No. You’re clearly coming at this from a bad faith position. There are countless articles and essays identifying the issues in JKRs problematic article if you cared to find them. "
You've just said it yourself though.
Just because you see something as problematic doesn't make it hate speech. Defending women's rights does not make someone transphobic. |
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"No it’s just a way trans people see the world, I would do anything to be a cis woman but I can only try my best as I have left it rather late in life x "
Well, you have a fine set of pins and a hot rack so you haven't done too badly. I will stick with the categories hot or not, anything else is too complicated for me. |
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"I thought the idea these days is that you can self identify instead of being labelled. Does a woman born a girl have to be called CIS?
None is forcing the label cis on anyone, it is , in my opinion a label used to define in details at specific times, for example:
When there needs to be a differentiation between trans and cis WOMEN (or trans/cis men), instead of using adjectives like “normal” or “real” that automatically make a trans woman “not normal” “not real” (as the contrary of normal is not normal)
But as lots of people just love to say stuff like “he’s trans/she’s trans” I don’t understand the madness of others saying “he’s cis/she’s cis” since people seem to get MAD about the term. Fair enough, but then don’t expect trans people to be okay if you say the same…
Why not use NBW for natural born women instead?
Or even woman.
That’s what I am and what I will always wish to be referred to as but I understand if you’re discussing a woman and a trans woman these different words are relevant. "
Thanks Nora! Exactly . It’s in the context sometimes, god I can’t believe some people here don’t seem to get it in their skull.
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By (user no longer on site)
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
Agreed.. please highlight the hate speech of Adele as an example?
I saw no hate
Gish galloping. I didn’t say she made any hate speech. She’s a famous LGBT ally. "
Totally, just because a guy on Twitter made a comment about Adele suggesting she may have said someone terfy, now the media managed somehow to twist it around and say that trans women hate Adele and that Adele is a terf. Lol
It’s ridiculous
Pretty sure 99.9999% were happy about Adele voicing out she’s a proud woman.. |
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
Agreed.. please highlight the hate speech of Adele as an example?
I saw no hate
Gish galloping. I didn’t say she made any hate speech. She’s a famous LGBT ally.
Totally, just because a guy on Twitter made a comment about Adele suggesting she may have said someone terfy, now the media managed somehow to twist it around and say that trans women hate Adele and that Adele is a terf. Lol
It’s ridiculous
Pretty sure 99.9999% were happy about Adele voicing out she’s a proud woman.. "
Agreed and I am a proud man...not a cis man... Just a man..
Better you just call me Tom and forget all the pronoun bullshit |
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
Agreed.. please highlight the hate speech of Adele as an example?
I saw no hate
Gish galloping. I didn’t say she made any hate speech. She’s a famous LGBT ally.
Totally, just because a guy on Twitter made a comment about Adele suggesting she may have said someone terfy, now the media managed somehow to twist it around and say that trans women hate Adele and that Adele is a terf. Lol
It’s ridiculous
Pretty sure 99.9999% were happy about Adele voicing out she’s a proud woman..
Agreed and I am a proud man...not a cis man... Just a man..
Better you just call me Tom and forget all the pronoun bullshit"
I don’t think I’d ever go around saying you are a cis man. I have no reason to
Btw I’m kylie and I’m a proud woman  |
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We can be inclusive without hysterical use of the word hate every 5 minutes.. it sets back the cause and not benefits it..
Naming hate speech and bigotry is one of the greatest weapons against it and a hallmark of pretty much most civil rights movements.
Agreed.. please highlight the hate speech of Adele as an example?
I saw no hate
Gish galloping. I didn’t say she made any hate speech. She’s a famous LGBT ally.
Totally, just because a guy on Twitter made a comment about Adele suggesting she may have said someone terfy, now the media managed somehow to twist it around and say that trans women hate Adele and that Adele is a terf. Lol
It’s ridiculous
Pretty sure 99.9999% were happy about Adele voicing out she’s a proud woman..
Agreed and I am a proud man...not a cis man... Just a man..
Better you just call me Tom and forget all the pronoun bullshit
I don’t think I’d ever go around saying you are a cis man. I have no reason to
Btw I’m kylie and I’m a proud woman "
Hi Kylie.. my pleasure to read your acquaintance  |
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"Nope. I doubt very many are.
Loads know that term! Even my 60 odd year old father! "
OMG! Now I feel old! Just realised I could be your mother 
And yes, I knew what they meant as well
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"OP; is this thread asking about how to get on someone’s hotlist for potential meets, or the hotlist for pics? I’m confused? "
It may have been, at some point, about either
Now it's very much off on a tangent |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"CIS??
TERF??
Fuck me I’ve just become old…
Your not the only one
Same.
I do not wish to be referred to as cis."
On a universal scale you don't have much choice. It is a recognised term and will become an officially used legal term eventually.
However, individually you have requested not to be directly referred to as such, and others "should" respect that, and not use it when referring to you during an interaction. |
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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"CIS??
TERF??
Fuck me I’ve just become old…
Your not the only one
Same.
I do not wish to be referred to as cis.
On a universal scale you don't have much choice. It is a recognised term and will become an officially used legal term eventually.
However, individually you have requested not to be directly referred to as such, and others "should" respect that, and not use it when referring to you during an interaction. "
Don’t see this myself. To me our women are women. The other half of the sky.
Those from the other half that transpose, well they can share a flat somewhere.. |
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"CIS??
TERF??
Fuck me I’ve just become old…
Your not the only one
Same.
I do not wish to be referred to as cis.
On a universal scale you don't have much choice. It is a recognised term and will become an officially used legal term eventually.
However, individually you have requested not to be directly referred to as such, and others "should" respect that, and not use it when referring to you during an interaction. "
I mean in the real world, how many times are people referring to people as cis?
Like the only time I use the word is to try explain something that needs differentiating but it’s still quite rare in my books x ha |
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"CIS??
TERF??
Fuck me I’ve just become old…
Your not the only one
Same.
I do not wish to be referred to as cis.
On a universal scale you don't have much choice. It is a recognised term and will become an officially used legal term eventually.
However, individually you have requested not to be directly referred to as such, and others "should" respect that, and not use it when referring to you during an interaction. "
Good luck with that one |
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