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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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When we talk about food?
I'm in a very heated argument with someone about it right now. Chairs have been thrown, names have been called and we're about to go nuclear.
So please help us settle this matter at last  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I mean if you can afford truffle crisps from Whole foods, and buying expensive oil, you do your big shop at Marks and Spencer and Waitrose and don’t even know the basic cost of primary food, I’d say you probably have a ton of disposable income |
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!"
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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money left over to do what ever you want with without affecting any other part of your ability to pay your bills .so basicly once you have paid ALL your bills for housing heating food fuel clothes travel subscriptions loans taxes etc any thing left is disposable income . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush "
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition"
No, if you like them, get them. I love blueberries and I always get them
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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On your budget you have income , essentials, luxuries, debt payments,,savings.
Net position is income minus all the others
Disposable Is like net position but minus luxuries and savings but not debt some repayments
If you want to do it properly you put debt repayments across both , essential ones that stop extra interest being added and capital repayments that reduce interest
You could do the same with food fork and clothes , some essential some luxury
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition"
My mam definitely would, soft fruit out of season is a luxury in her opinion. Undecided on it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition
No, if you like them, get them. I love blueberries and I always get them
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I like Domino's therefore not under disposable income. I think that's sorted then  |
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Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition
No, if you like them, get them. I love blueberries and I always get them
I like Domino's therefore not under disposable income. I think that's sorted then "
I mean I think take aways can be considered a bit luxury. Kinda like dining out! Or go food shop at expensive places like whole foods or fortnum and Mason .
If it feels like a treat, it’s probably luxury |
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By *inx.x3Woman
over a year ago
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"Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury"
How about dominos? That’s a luxury and would only be bought if you had disposable income? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Manuka honey 15+
Extremely expensive but very nutritious and very healthy.
Still a luxury despite it's nutritional value. So £/nutrition doesn't work. |
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"Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury"
I agree with you  |
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"When we talk about food?
I'm in a very heated argument with someone about it right now. Chairs have been thrown, names have been called and we're about to go nuclear.
So please help us settle this matter at last "
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I'm just picturing the scene: everything is going ballistic and then everyone's paused, in some armistice way, for you to log in and ask people on here for opinions and diplomacy.
That's power, my friend. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury
How about dominos? That’s a luxury and would only be bought if you had disposable income?"
As would blueberries, extremely expensive and unattainable for people on a budget! |
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"Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury
How about dominos? That’s a luxury and would only be bought if you had disposable income?"
Nutritional value? low
Price? Very high
Theres your answer. Its very luxury |
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By *inx.x3Woman
over a year ago
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"Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury
How about dominos? That’s a luxury and would only be bought if you had disposable income?
As would blueberries, extremely expensive and unattainable for people on a budget!"
You can get blueberries for as little as 89p and they will last more then one sitting if you don’t eat them all in one go.
Dominos however cannot be bought for such a small amount as it’s a luxury. |
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By *inx.x3Woman
over a year ago
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition
No, if you like them, get them. I love blueberries and I always get them
I like Domino's therefore not under disposable income. I think that's sorted then
I mean I think take aways can be considered a bit luxury. Kinda like dining out! Or go food shop at expensive places like whole foods or fortnum and Mason .
If it feels like a treat, it’s probably luxury "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Id say luxury starts to enter into foods that offer little nutritional value, they are bought purely for enjoyment
for example, blueberries are expensive but very nutritionally good for you. Their high price is a factor though so they land in the middle
a chocolate bar offers very little nutritional benefits, its very luxury
rice offer little too, outside of just straight calories, but its very cheap, so its not luxury
How about dominos? That’s a luxury and would only be bought if you had disposable income?
As would blueberries, extremely expensive and unattainable for people on a budget!
You can get blueberries for as little as 89p and they will last more then one sitting if you don’t eat them all in one go.
Dominos however cannot be bought for such a small amount as it’s a luxury. "
89p for a mouthful of fruit!
How many mouthfuls of Dominos can you get? More than 13! |
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By *inx.x3Woman
over a year ago
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"Isn't this argument just easily solved with food that has VAT and food that doesn't. "
I think saying takeaways, meals out, eating out is part of a disposable income.
Doing your weekly food shop is not |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Is this statement correct?
"Anything you buy in your weekly grocery shopping doesn't come under disposable income."
God forbid I bought 10 tubs of Ben and Jerry's and 15 year old whiskey  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Isn't this argument just easily solved with food that has VAT and food that doesn't.
I think saying takeaways, meals out, eating out is part of a disposable income.
Doing your weekly food shop is not "
You're wrong on so many levels |
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The problem with the questions is its impossible to really sort out whats truly luxury and whats not.
If we are being 100% honest anything other than rice, beans, olive oil and a hand full of frozen vegetables is luxury since you can get by with just those foods, many people around the world do.
Luxury depends on the person. For example kylie above said that take aways are "kinda" luxury. With the UK having the highest levels of food poverty in the EU you could aruge that a take away absolutely is luxury. But depending on your income £15 on a curry might seem like nothing.
When I was an apprentice I had to save up for 6 weeks to afford a take away. Now a take away is nothing |
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"Is this statement correct?
"Anything you buy in your weekly grocery shopping doesn't come under disposable income."
God forbid I bought 10 tubs of Ben and Jerry's and 15 year old whiskey "
Disagree there's often a bottle of wine in my shop and numerous other things I don't strictly need. I think anything you'd be mega surprised to see in a food bank parcel is probably airing on the side of using disposal income. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Is this statement correct?
"Anything you buy in your weekly grocery shopping doesn't come under disposable income."
God forbid I bought 10 tubs of Ben and Jerry's and 15 year old whiskey
Disagree there's often a bottle of wine in my shop and numerous other things I don't strictly need. I think anything you'd be mega surprised to see in a food bank parcel is probably airing on the side of using disposal income. "
I consider you to be a voice of wisdom so thank you with agreeing with me 
That's it, blueberries are counted under disposable income |
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition"
They're luxury but then again if someone had a 6 bedroom house or a BMW, their mortgage and car finance payments would still reduce their disposable income. But then you're tied into a contract to pay for a mortgage or finance and you aren't for blueberries. But then do we say buying anything above the supermarket very basic ranges classes as disposable income? I guess it's a grey area. I wouldn't count buying blueberries as excessive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Be bloody specific this is a very serious argument at this point "
Dosh left after all survival needs (food water shelter Netflix ) and legal responsibilities (tax. council tax maintenance etc) have been met. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The problem with the questions is its impossible to really sort out whats truly luxury and whats not.
If we are being 100% honest anything other than rice, beans, olive oil and a hand full of frozen vegetables is luxury since you can get by with just those foods, many people around the world do.
Luxury depends on the person. For example kylie above said that take aways are "kinda" luxury. With the UK having the highest levels of food poverty in the EU you could aruge that a take away absolutely is luxury. But depending on your income £15 on a curry might seem like nothing.
When I was an apprentice I had to save up for 6 weeks to afford a take away. Now a take away is nothing"
Yes, but it also depends on the frequency £15 on take outs, bought 3-4 times a week. Meaning £270 a month or 3.2K a year, I mean that’s a holiday right there.
I know what I’d take
So that’s why I said, if it feels like a treat , it’s probably luxury x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Disposable to me means throw away, so money to waste on unnecessary items, not essential thing's."
Discretionary is probably a better term. What can we realistically chose to spend or not.
Many things that can be classed as essentials have a discretionary element once you go past the basic level. Then beyond that there are luxuries that are nice to have but not at all essential.
What is essential to some or a luxury to others may not be the same thing at all.
Blueberries are probably more on the discretionary end of the spectrum. But not really a luxury unless you have to sacrifice something to afford them.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I mean I think take aways can be considered a bit luxury. Kinda like dining out! Or go food shop at expensive places like whole foods or fortnum and Mason .
If it feels like a treat, it’s probably luxury "
On the other hand time vs money has to be a dimension.
For example if you pay £15 for a takeaway vs say £5 + your time to prepare the meal. Then it is maybe a luxury to have the takeaway.
However if you can spend the 1h it might take to prepare the meal doing something more productive - and that yields more reward whether monetary or otherwise than the £10 saving, then I’d consider that an investment |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Expensive fruit is a luxury.
Anything you buy ready made that you can make yourself for less money is a luxury.
Takeaways are a God send when you're too ill or tired to cook, but still a luxury.
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If you spend 1h extra in the “office”and bill for that time - rather than devote that hour to save a much smaller amount on food costs. Is the same takeaway still a luxury? It could be a privilege to have the choice but I’d not consider it a luxury in that context. More a wise use of time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I mean I think take aways can be considered a bit luxury. Kinda like dining out! Or go food shop at expensive places like whole foods or fortnum and Mason .
If it feels like a treat, it’s probably luxury
On the other hand time vs money has to be a dimension.
For example if you pay £15 for a takeaway vs say £5 + your time to prepare the meal. Then it is maybe a luxury to have the takeaway.
However if you can spend the 1h it might take to prepare the meal doing something more productive - and that yields more reward whether monetary or otherwise than the £10 saving, then I’d consider that an investment "
Potentially, but isn’t “free time to do what you want”mthe most worthy luxury of all?
What if you can have the time to do what you like! Like cooking! Some people despise it and that’s fair enough, some people enjoy it but don’t have time for it. So they need to get a take away instead.
Also, you haven’t taken into account the potential nutritional value from each. Healthy vs Not so Healthy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I mean I think take aways can be considered a bit luxury. Kinda like dining out! Or go food shop at expensive places like whole foods or fortnum and Mason .
If it feels like a treat, it’s probably luxury
On the other hand time vs money has to be a dimension.
For example if you pay £15 for a takeaway vs say £5 + your time to prepare the meal. Then it is maybe a luxury to have the takeaway.
However if you can spend the 1h it might take to prepare the meal doing something more productive - and that yields more reward whether monetary or otherwise than the £10 saving, then I’d consider that an investment
Potentially, but isn’t “free time to do what you want”mthe most worthy luxury of all?
What if you can have the time to do what you like! Like cooking! Some people despise it and that’s fair enough, some people enjoy it but don’t have time for it. So they need to get a take away instead.
Also, you haven’t taken into account the potential nutritional value from each. Healthy vs Not so Healthy. "
Well if you enjoy cooking that much then it is going into the realms of a hobby - so yes I agree time well spent.
Very big assumption to make that a TA is unhealthy. Given that almost the entire restaurant base of an average Town /city is not available via the home delivery apps. Takeaway does not have to mean a kebab or curry! |
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Pay your:
Rent/Mortgage
Gas
Electric
Water
Council Tax
T.V. Licence
( any credit you may have taken out to buy things )
Buy:
Enough food for a week ( including cleaning and toiletries )
Put enough money away for food for the rest of the month
Put some money away monthly for :
Car Tax
Car insurance
House insurance
Life insurance
Set amount for essential clothes
Put away a little bit of money each month and forget it ....... that's for emergencies that you couldn't predict.
The above is BASICS .... others may have more bills
Anything you have remaining after paying the above is referred to as 'disposable income' .....
To be honest ... everyone should consider SAVINGS and not dispose of the lot.
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"What do you mean OP? What counts as a luxury when buying food?
Yes!
Anything like puddings, crisps, biscuits. Take aways and posh things like marks and Spencers rhubarb and custard yougurt even though it's lush
So would you consider blueberries as a luxury item? They are very expensive per kg/nutrition"
Depends on your income. I buy frozen ones. The don't go off. They are cheaper. I consider them quite a luxury but if you haven't got children and both work I guess they appear cheap .....
They are a great source of needed nutrition and shouldn't be thought of as a waste of money like e.g chocolate , pizza , crisps .... which are just fucking junk |
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"Is this statement correct?
"Anything you buy in your weekly grocery shopping doesn't come under disposable income."
God forbid I bought 10 tubs of Ben and Jerry's and 15 year old whiskey "
The statement is correct if FOOD for nutrition and survival is bought.
The statement is incorrect if sugary shit is bought. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I mean I think take aways can be considered a bit luxury. Kinda like dining out! Or go food shop at expensive places like whole foods or fortnum and Mason .
If it feels like a treat, it’s probably luxury
On the other hand time vs money has to be a dimension.
For example if you pay £15 for a takeaway vs say £5 + your time to prepare the meal. Then it is maybe a luxury to have the takeaway.
However if you can spend the 1h it might take to prepare the meal doing something more productive - and that yields more reward whether monetary or otherwise than the £10 saving, then I’d consider that an investment
Potentially, but isn’t “free time to do what you want”mthe most worthy luxury of all?
What if you can have the time to do what you like! Like cooking! Some people despise it and that’s fair enough, some people enjoy it but don’t have time for it. So they need to get a take away instead.
Also, you haven’t taken into account the potential nutritional value from each. Healthy vs Not so Healthy.
Well if you enjoy cooking that much then it is going into the realms of a hobby - so yes I agree time well spent.
Very big assumption to make that a TA is unhealthy. Given that almost the entire restaurant base of an average Town /city is not available via the home delivery apps. Takeaway does not have to mean a kebab or curry! "
I agree I suppose it’s true that there are some great take aways that are also healthy
I don’t know I always seem to view it as a treat meaning being not as healthy because you can’t control the amount of salt or what exactly goes in it.
But it is a total assumption |
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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago
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It would depend whom I'm arguing with and why. If it was the judge setting the level of a fine based on disposable income than my answer would be somewhat different than if I was working out the bare minimum I could reasonable survive on.
Generally, from past experience, I think I could subsistance live on about 30% of my current shopping grocery budget and possibly a fair bit less by exploring options like our local trash cafe, which seems to collect and sell near end of life foods at considerable savings. |
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"When we talk about food?
I'm in a very heated argument with someone about it right now. Chairs have been thrown, names have been called and we're about to go nuclear.
So please help us settle this matter at last "
I think its relatively simply. From an economic perspective, disposal income is the amount of money per individual or household has to spend or save after taxes are deducted. Thats a narrow definition because for most, this includes deduction of taxes, social security charges, and basic living costs.
Basic living costs includes utilities, petrol and essential food, clothing etc. I guess what is considered as essential is open to debate.
Arguments about are blue berries or takeaways is more based on discretionary income potentially. Again, it depends on what you consider essential or not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's what you have left over once you've paid your bills, food etc for the month, to live on until you get paid again. That's my understanding of it. Quite simple really x |
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"It's what you have left over once you've paid your bills, food etc for the month, to live on until you get paid again. That's my understanding of it. Quite simple really x"
That is discretionary income. Disposable income = net income.
I.e Income after taxes and other deductions.
Discretionary income = disposable income - essential (or non discretionary bills).
It is a little confusing. But there it is. |
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"I’m not sure who the OP is arguing with (outside of the forum members), but I’m guessing it’s the OP who is throwing the chairs.
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Are new chairs to replace broken ones essential items or a luxury?? |
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"I’m not sure who the OP is arguing with (outside of the forum members), but I’m guessing it’s the OP who is throwing the chairs.
Are new chairs to replace broken ones essential items or a luxury??"
Not sure, but depending on his employment situation they might be tax-deductible. |
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"I’m not sure who the OP is arguing with (outside of the forum members), but I’m guessing it’s the OP who is throwing the chairs.
Are new chairs to replace broken ones essential items or a luxury??
Not sure, but depending on his employment situation they might be tax-deductible. "
At the higher rate or basic? Can the VAT be reclaimed so you can buy blueberries?? |
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"I’m not sure who the OP is arguing with (outside of the forum members), but I’m guessing it’s the OP who is throwing the chairs.
Are new chairs to replace broken ones essential items or a luxury??
Not sure, but depending on his employment situation they might be tax-deductible.
At the higher rate or basic? Can the VAT be reclaimed so you can buy blueberries??"
I’d need to check with my accountant. But on the face of it I’d suggest blueberries would not be a legitimate business expense, just a luxury item. However, if he bungs the Asda cashier a couple of quid they might scan them through as Custard Creams. Then that would be perfectly acceptable… though Custard Creams are only 89p in Tesco, so it wouldn’t be worthwhile.
It’s a minefield out there. |
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"When we talk about food?
I'm in a very heated argument with someone about it right now. Chairs have been thrown, names have been called and we're about to go nuclear.
So please help us settle this matter at last "
It’s the money left over after the bills and daily essential have been paid for.
It’s stuff that you don’t actually “need” today, or this week or this month, it’s at your “discretion” whether you buy it now, or at all. |
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"I’m not sure who the OP is arguing with (outside of the forum members), but I’m guessing it’s the OP who is throwing the chairs.
Are new chairs to replace broken ones essential items or a luxury??
Not sure, but depending on his employment situation they might be tax-deductible.
At the higher rate or basic? Can the VAT be reclaimed so you can buy blueberries??
I’d need to check with my accountant. But on the face of it I’d suggest blueberries would not be a legitimate business expense, just a luxury item. However, if he bungs the Asda cashier a couple of quid they might scan them through as Custard Creams. Then that would be perfectly acceptable… though Custard Creams are only 89p in Tesco, so it wouldn’t be worthwhile.
It’s a minefield out there. "
Your accountant also does your shopping? Money saver right there. I'm going to sack my butler. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Any income you have to spend is disposable income after housing costs...Any food that you don't need just to keep you alive....that's you spending disposable income on, remember in my mind disposable income is anything left over after the basic requirements have been paid, not just food.
Too many people live life without realising what it's like to truly have little or no disposable income... anyone who thinks they have no disposable income try going for five days without spending a penny! Eat everything food wise in your cupboards fridges etc until you have nothing left ( and I mean nothing) then buy nothing but something to stop you collapsing... |
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"Any income you have to spend is disposable income after housing costs...Any food that you don't need just to keep you alive....that's you spending disposable income on, remember in my mind disposable income is anything left over after the basic requirements have been paid, not just food.
Too many people live life without realising what it's like to truly have little or no disposable income... anyone who thinks they have no disposable income try going for five days without spending a penny! Eat everything food wise in your cupboards fridges etc until you have nothing left ( and I mean nothing) then buy nothing but something to stop you collapsing... "
Eh ... I think most of us understand what it means to have zero disposable income. A grim prospect, one that I have luckily avoided |
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"Any income you have to spend is disposable income after housing costs...Any food that you don't need just to keep you alive....that's you spending disposable income on, remember in my mind disposable income is anything left over after the basic requirements have been paid, not just food.
Too many people live life without realising what it's like to truly have little or no disposable income... anyone who thinks they have no disposable income try going for five days without spending a penny! Eat everything food wise in your cupboards fridges etc until you have nothing left ( and I mean nothing) then buy nothing but something to stop you collapsing...
Eh ... I think most of us understand what it means to have zero disposable income. A grim prospect, one that I have luckily avoided "
Understanding and knowing are two different things.
I’ve no comprehension of what that situation would feel like but can understand the mechanics of the predicament. I imagine it would cause huge anxiety, stress and even panic. But not everyone has experienced that first hand or even witnessed it directly so I agree with 2 posts above that majority who’ve not been impacted might over simplify the solution. |
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By *inx.x3Woman
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"Is the argument still going on?
Serious question, really need to know!!!!!"
It ended. He admitted I was right and that dominos would only be bought from disposable income and that blueberries are an essential and sent a nude as an apology. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Is the argument still going on?
Serious question, really need to know!!!!!
It ended. He admitted I was right and that dominos would only be bought from disposable income and that blueberries are an essential and sent a nude as an apology. "
Never trust a woman with her tits out!
They're snake charming you! |
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"Is the argument still going on?
Serious question, really need to know!!!!!
It ended. He admitted I was right and that dominos would only be bought from disposable income and that blueberries are an essential and sent a nude as an apology.
Never trust a woman with her tits out!
They're snake charming you!"
... and it works. One good flash of a great pair of tits and it’s “take me to your leader” time |
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