Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify? |
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"Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify? "
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify? "
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What is silly is adults having to call each other by Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs. No other professional does this. Address adults by the first name. It's not about respect as if that was the case everyone would be doing it. It's so bizarre to me.  |
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"Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify?
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
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I tell my students to use first name. Those that come straight from school, usually boys, tend to call me sir and it can take me a full year to get them to use my name. IMHO sir is very outdated and quite elitist. |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"My students just call me by my actual name. Much easier. Some go for Mrs X but we get past that pretty quickly. Some from the Indian subcontinent use Ma'am, which makes me feel very old  "
Oh sweetie. That's because you are very old 
Oh. Hang on. Oops.
I meant you are very, very young and will remain so for at least the next..... erm..... how much younger than me are you? |
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"My students just call me by my actual name. Much easier. Some go for Mrs X but we get past that pretty quickly. Some from the Indian subcontinent use Ma'am, which makes me feel very old
Oh sweetie. That's because you are very old
Oh. Hang on. Oops.
I meant you are very, very young and will remain so for at least the next..... erm..... how much younger than me are you? "
Six years, assuming your little number hasn't yet ticked round to the next one. Otherwise, seven years |
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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago
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"My students just call me by my actual name. Much easier. Some go for Mrs X but we get past that pretty quickly. Some from the Indian subcontinent use Ma'am, which makes me feel very old
Oh sweetie. That's because you are very old
Oh. Hang on. Oops.
I meant you are very, very young and will remain so for at least the next..... erm..... how much younger than me are you?
Six years, assuming your little number hasn't yet ticked round to the next one. Otherwise, seven years "
You will remain young for at least.... maybe... 15 then.
And nope. Next Tuesday ma'am |
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"My students just call me by my actual name. Much easier. Some go for Mrs X but we get past that pretty quickly. Some from the Indian subcontinent use Ma'am, which makes me feel very old
Oh sweetie. That's because you are very old
Oh. Hang on. Oops.
I meant you are very, very young and will remain so for at least the next..... erm..... how much younger than me are you?
Six years, assuming your little number hasn't yet ticked round to the next one. Otherwise, seven years
You will remain young for at least.... maybe... 15 then.
And nope. Next Tuesday ma'am "
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When I worked in a school I was personally an advocate of us being called by our first names. I work going into schools now and encourage students to call me by my name rather than sir. On Gender neutral terms, I think it’s a good inclusive thing to adopt. Don’t see what harm comes from it. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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They want them to be called Teacher followed by their surname. If the teacher's surname was Teacher then he/she would be called Teacher Teacher ..
The Pink Floyd lyrics was ahead of it's time. Another Brick in the Wall.. Great Track |
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"They want them to be called Teacher followed by their surname. If the teacher's surname was Teacher then he/she would be called Teacher Teacher ..
The Pink Floyd lyrics was ahead of it's time. Another Brick in the Wall.. Great Track"
Chinese students call us Teacher, to begin with. They acclimatise to using our actual names after a while. I don't like being called Teacher. It makes me feel anonymous. |
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I don't understand this. Why does it matter if the teacher is gender neutral?
Is the objection that a male teacher is called "Sir" and the woman is not? That 'Sir' infers superiority over'Miss' or 'Mrs'? |
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"Calls for teachers to drop the Sir and Miss and be gender neutral..
There was a pink Floyd lyrics.
"Oi, Teacher! Leave our kids alone." Where they ahead of their time?"
‘Were’ not ‘where’.
One hundred lines for you boy! |
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It was one charity. A charity that has been heavily criticised in the past for things they have said about how teachers should deal with children coming out as trans. Now it's all over the news to stir up outrage. It's like Mr. Potato Head all over again. |
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"Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify? "
Good point.
I’m all for gender neutral pronouns, but as you say, it should be the choice of the person you are addressing. |
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"I always wonder why they sing "we don't need no education" when obviously they need to improve their grammar"
It's a criticism of the education in terms of attempting to produce cookie cutter kids by only nurturing certain skills rather than acknowledging that we all have different strengths and focusing on building upon the strengths of each individual. In the grand scheme of things, does a musician really need perfect grammar? |
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"I think people should be called what they want to be called and I'm definitely happy with being called sir
Students don't use it with teachers in that sort of context  "
I wasn't talking about students, I don't teach  |
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"I always wonder why they sing "we don't need no education" when obviously they need to improve their grammar
It's a criticism of the education in terms of attempting to produce cookie cutter kids by only nurturing certain skills rather than acknowledging that we all have different strengths and focusing on building upon the strengths of each individual. In the grand scheme of things, does a musician really need perfect grammar? "
No because sometimes lyrics don't work if use proper grammar |
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"I think people should be called what they want to be called and I'm definitely happy with being called sir
Students don't use it with teachers in that sort of context
I wasn't talking about students, I don't teach "
I know |
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"What is silly is adults having to call each other by Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs. No other professional does this. Address adults by the first name. It's not about respect as if that was the case everyone would be doing it. It's so bizarre to me. "
I work in a profession that isn't teaching that still has this system above a certain grade. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is silly is adults having to call each other by Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs. No other professional does this. Address adults by the first name. It's not about respect as if that was the case everyone would be doing it. It's so bizarre to me.
I work in a profession that isn't teaching that still has this system above a certain grade. "
And I thought you were a trapeze artist Evie |
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"There used to be a head girl and head boy.. now they want just a head pupil.. one redundancy straight away..
Progress eh?"
I'm not aware of head boy/girl being paid positions. They'll just have two head students - easy. |
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"Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify? "
Couldn’t have said it better |
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"Isn’t it a little silly to force a pronoun on someone?
I’m a male, I’d like to be addressed as Sir in a teaching position
Isn’t this exactly what we are meant to be fighting against? Letting people identify how they want was the goal, and somehow we’ve come to a place where we want to force how people identify?
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"We're just called by our names. It works well. Some students like to use Miss, Mrs or Mr with your name, e.g. Mrs N, but I prefer they just use my name."
Totally understand that for further education but I think in schools it is very important to make the boundaries exceptionally clear. |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
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"There used to be a head girl and head boy.. now they want just a head pupil.. one redundancy straight away..
Progress eh?"
We only ever had a head boy at my school.
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Probably because it was a boys' school. |
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"My students just call me by my actual name. Much easier. Some go for Mrs X but we get past that pretty quickly. Some from the Indian subcontinent use Ma'am, which makes me feel very old "
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You mean they actually call you "KC²"??
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"What is silly is adults having to call each other by Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs. No other professional does this. Address adults by the first name. It's not about respect as if that was the case everyone would be doing it. It's so bizarre to me. "
Or its respectful... Try doing that in a professional setting in Germany. They herr professor doktor doktor... Their argument being. They've worked bloody hard to earn their title and so would like people to use it.
Not sure why it needs to change and what the problem with is that is being solved
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"They want them to be called Teacher followed by their surname. If the teacher's surname was Teacher then he/she would be called Teacher Teacher ..
The Pink Floyd lyrics was ahead of it's time. Another Brick in the Wall.. Great Track"
Not really, it was written at a time when corporal punishment was still rife in schools |
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Surely the whole point of this gender inclusiveness is that we can all choose for ourselves how we want to identify. Males and Females who are comfortable in their existing identity do not need a gender neutral label. Those who want to identify in a different way are able to do so too, whether they choose male/female or something else.
In my opinion, removal of gender identity is just as wrong as enforcing those genders assigned at birth.
Cal |
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Been dating a deputy head for a few years now, it’s completely changed how I view teachers.
The crap that she had to put up with from hopeless / feckless parents is staggering. These parents are unable to exercise any control over their children so often the only time these kids encounter any form of control or even have the word ‘no’ uttered to them is in school.
Vital there is no relaxing of titles in my humble opinion. |
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Oh. I see this is an old thread from February that has been bumped.
I looked for news articles, they were all from february, and it was about one single workshop given at a union meeting?
And as the articles state :
Similarly to obsolete terms like ‘lady doctor’, ‘policeman’ and ‘male nurse’, schools are also advised to adopt more gender-neutral words such as ‘pupils’, ‘students’, ‘child’ and ‘parent’. |
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Whatever happened to beating them senseless to make them smarter.
When my dad died, all I could remember the most was the beatings and arse whippings.
I use a stern voice. That works with everyone. |
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"My students just call me by my actual name. Much easier. Some go for Mrs X but we get past that pretty quickly. Some from the Indian subcontinent use Ma'am, which makes me feel very old
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You mean they actually call you "KC²"??
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Yep. That's exactly what they call me |
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"What is silly is adults having to call each other by Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs. No other professional does this. Address adults by the first name. It's not about respect as if that was the case everyone would be doing it. It's so bizarre to me. "
I prefer to be addressed as Mrs. so and so.
I'm getting used to companies calling me by my first name but I still don't like it.
They are NOT my friends. I prefer a degree of formality.
First names seeped in company USA wise and is here to stay.
It's a good way of making you relax so that you can be taken advantage of and told shit and sold shit and lies in a very friendly way..... believe me - I am fully aware of the psychology behind it. |
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"Been dating a deputy head for a few years now, it’s completely changed how I view teachers.
The crap that she had to put up with from hopeless / feckless parents is staggering. These parents are unable to exercise any control over their children so often the only time these kids encounter any form of control or even have the word ‘no’ uttered to them is in school.
Vital there is no relaxing of titles in my humble opinion."
I agree, there is no respect or manners |
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Instead of focusing on that, maybe they should focus on the 1950s outdated education system and teach in a way that every child flourish instead of one type has to fit all.  |
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"Surely the whole point of this gender inclusiveness is that we can all choose for ourselves how we want to identify. Males and Females who are comfortable in their existing identity do not need a gender neutral label. Those who want to identify in a different way are able to do so too, whether they choose male/female or something else.
In my opinion, removal of gender identity is just as wrong as enforcing those genders assigned at birth.
Cal"
This is why some women want to be referred to as women, not as 'people'. |
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"Instead of focusing on that, maybe they should focus on the 1950s outdated education system and teach in a way that every child flourish instead of one type has to fit all. "
Unfortunately, they would need to fund the system better first. There would have to be much smaller class sizes and many more teachers to get anywhere close to this. |
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