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Slight rant here ...maybe I'm getting old ..lol
Just had breakfast at the café lovely lady served me full of the joys very chatty a lady in her later years, drove to the petrol station filled up popped in the shop served by a chap in his 50's I'd say spent 5 minutes putting the world's to right but he was still a happy chappy
Just popped into super market where all the staff seemed like kids and all of them looked gloomy disenfranchised almost zombie like
Is it me or has something really gone wrong with society ....I'm hoping that it's my perspective that has changed and kids of a teenage age have always been like this ....though I feel I just had a bit more get up and go when I was there age, I know we have all had a poor couple of years what with covid but if it's not covid it's something else were a rich nation both culturally and financially yet our youth would have you think otherwise.
What do you guys think?
Sorry if this is to high brow for a Saturday morning
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The younger ones were probably out lastnight. They're probably working and studying which at their age can be tough. They haven't experienced enough (imo) to warrant mutual chats with older customers which would benefit you both or maybe just don't have social experience or lack confidence.
You could always try and initiate conversation, it'll help them understand how to talk to others if they don't quite have the confidence  |
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I worked on a checkout as a teenager and I'm quite a chirpy, happy person but a few hours of the treatment you get in jobs like that is enough to grind anyone down. It feels like you can't win, people get snappy with you no matter what you do. Some don't even look at you. I was regularly insulted and people tell you there's a reason you're working a job like that even though most of us were there on the side of being at sixth form. It's also often uncomfortable behind those tills, we weren't allowed to have drinks on us and trying to get cover to go to the toilet is difficult. In the end I left and got a weekend job sterilising and packing theatre instruments in a hospital and I was much happier. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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Quite a lot of jobs and workplace systems/environments are soul destroying. Obviously they are not quite on the same level as some jobs back in the day with some working conditions. Working retail is horrible, having to deal with the public whom can be psychotic at times. The Karen and Ken types of the world.
Rose tinted glasses goes a long way, in some cases its true but there was still a lot of shit too.
Being able to easily relate to a different age group/generation is much more difficult than we seem to realise. |
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Also I know for a fact my dad was far worse in jobs when he was young than most people I know from the stories he tells me. Stuff you could never get away with now. He threw a cake at a woman at a kids party when working at McDonald's but wasn't sacked. He gave free food to his friends. He got caught smoking in the lift while working in a department store. He had a job in a petrol station and scratched off loads of scratch cards because he was bored one night. God knows how he ended up as a head of HR  . |
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It doesnt help that younger consecutive younger generations keep getting tougher deals than the older generations had at at their age. For instance, the cost of living has skyrocketed with house prices and rents far outstripping the average wage at their ages. Then of course the cost of higher education is astronomical, with people from my dad's age getting free university tuition, my generation borrowing needing to borrow around 18k, while the current younger generation needing to borrow closer to 40k. Really it's wonder why todays youth are so dejected, I would be if I was in their position. |
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"It doesnt help that younger consecutive younger generations keep getting tougher deals than the older generations had at at their age. For instance, the cost of living has skyrocketed with house prices and rents far outstripping the average wage at their ages. Then of course the cost of higher education is astronomical, with people from my dad's age getting free university tuition, my generation borrowing needing to borrow around 18k, while the current younger generation needing to borrow closer to 40k. Really it's wonder why todays youth are so dejected, I would be if I was in their position."
I'm 4 years younger than you and my student loan debt is £35k  . |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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Talk to younger people and they'll usually talk back. Many don't have the confidence to initiate conversations.
In a previous life I often took young people on overseas expeditions and whilst one or two were nasty brats, the vast majority were a delight to be around.
That said, I think I was more likely to have been seen as an antisocial teenager, but luckily that's a while ago now.
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"Also I know for a fact my dad was far worse in jobs when he was young than most people I know from the stories he tells me. Stuff you could never get away with now. He threw a cake at a woman at a kids party when working at McDonald's but wasn't sacked. He gave free food to his friends. He got caught smoking in the lift while working in a department store. He had a job in a petrol station and scratched off loads of scratch cards because he was bored one night. God knows how he ended up as a head of HR ."
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
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Always surprises me that in a service industry how little the younger kids seem to interact. It would be easier to talk to a robot than some of them.
How did they get the job as they must have been the same at the interview. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
Because they don’t want to be there plain and simple 
Hark back to when you were younger you wanted to go out till late sleep in late and generally enjoy life without all that going out to earn money to do those things.
It takes many years to realise that life is not fair and you have to earn a living so might as well make the best of it.
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
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"All valid points so we know what the problems are we now need to fix it
The problem is were shat on by Tories and dug up by labour and nothing changes 
Maybe it's time for a revolution ...lol"
I tend to agree with you OP and as someone else said teens don't have much life experience or share the same interests as you and they could have been out on the razzle last night.
But it isn't all of them, I've been in places where teenages and those in their early 20's do really engage and make an effort, even if it just to ask how your day is going, I always thank them and return the gesture as I leave the till. Working in retail can be pants at times and they just switch off and go through the motions. |
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I'm guessing that they are probably sick to the back teeth of being treated in shit in their jobs while earning NMW for their age.
A sad reflection, my boy went to KFC for some lunch at 1 and the server gave him his staff discount, on enquiring why my boy was told that he was the only one to be nice to him so far that day that made me really sad, like ffs, like he wants to be there shovelling chicken for NMW anyway let alone take shit from people
I have noticed that people in general are becoming ruder, members, kindness and empathy cost nothing and we are all dealing with shit in our lives in some way, still no excuse to be vile to others, you just never know what others are going through.
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"Always surprises me that in a service industry how little the younger kids seem to interact. It would be easier to talk to a robot than some of them.
How did they get the job as they must have been the same at the interview. "
For many it’s just a means to an end, the service industry takes the right kind of people.
Working in a supermarket is not really most kids aspire to that all want to be famous and not have to work for a living |
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Weekend jobs generally are thankless. As most have said above, the you get ones were probably out last night and may be knackered/hungover etc
For some it's just a bit of drinking money in their pocket rather than something to pay the bills. Some just don't know how to talk to older people or have had a lot of flack off the older generation which will put them off striking up conversation. There's always the ones that look at you like shit on their shoe when you serve them too, it becomes soul destroying after a while. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"I'm guessing that they are probably sick to the back teeth of being treated in shit in their jobs while earning NMW for their age.
A sad reflection, my boy went to KFC for some lunch at 1 and the server gave him his staff discount, on enquiring why my boy was told that he was the only one to be nice to him so far that day that made me really sad, like ffs, like he wants to be there shovelling chicken for NMW anyway let alone take shit from people
I have noticed that people in general are becoming ruder, members, kindness and empathy cost nothing and we are all dealing with shit in our lives in some way, still no excuse to be vile to others, you just never know what others are going through.
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Yup have seen this getting worse these days and then rudeness begets rudeness |
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To be honest companies don’t invest in customer service the way they used to.
When I first started working in a supermarket while at school there was a lot of training, not just how to work the tills but how to pack peoples bags for them in a set way, how to chat but still keep working etc
I also worked in a bank where we knew not only the cash systems but also the background work that went on so we could signpost people when they had any issues, nowadays it’s like pulling teeth trying to speak to the right person when you have an issue.
Think it’s down to the individuals too, when my eldest did a paper round all the older clientele would chat to him for ages when he collected his paper money, he knew all their ailments and practically their life stories by the time he had finished up |
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I worked the last twenty years of my career with younger people. I have to say that I have every hope for the future based on my experience. The vast majority are hard working (often working the shifts that older people won't do)and hold decent values. They were happy to engage with us oldies but had nothing in common with us and tolerated us with good Grace and a few sideways glances .
I can truthfully say that I witness way more incidences of impolite and downright rude behaviour from the over 50s than from the under 20s
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I work in a supermarket as a picker! Will chat to anyone who starts the chat but dont initiate it as far to busy! And most of time it's the oldies that are grumpy and rude younger ones generally more polite I find x |
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"Maybe just me but, to be honest, I can live without a 5 minute chat when I'm just trying to pay for petrol!
But I'm a Londoner, so you know...  "
I heard the young guy at the till asking someone about their plans for the weekend (bear in mind he was about 18, I'm 65) and quite naturally assumed he was talking to a mate. Nope he was using his cs skills bless his heart and engaging me in conversation. I didn't tell him the truth, it would have blown his mind  |
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"To be honest companies don’t invest in customer service the way they used to.
When I first started working in a supermarket while at school there was a lot of training, not just how to work the tills but how to pack peoples bags for them in a set way, how to chat but still keep working etc
I also worked in a bank where we knew not only the cash systems but also the background work that went on so we could signpost people when they had any issues, nowadays it’s like pulling teeth trying to speak to the right person when you have an issue.
Think it’s down to the individuals too, when my eldest did a paper round all the older clientele would chat to him for ages when he collected his paper money, he knew all their ailments and practically their life stories by the time he had finished up "
When I worked at a checkout I was happy to pack people's bags and having always been quite meticulous about how I pack my own, I feel I'm pretty decent at it. There is literally no way to please everyone though. Some people shout at you if you try to help, most people don't want their bags overfilled but then other people shout at you if you don't cram as much into it as possible because they want as few bags as possible. A lot of people want household cleaning products separate to food but again others get mad and just want it all thrown in. If you ask if they want help packing, people will say no without listening then angrily glare at you while their shopping piles up. The same thing happened when they changed to not having bags readily available, you would ask if they wanted bags, say no then get mad when you didn't give them a bag. |
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In my opinion working in retail Is absolute hell. Day after day being belittled, spoken to like a piece of poop on their shoe, treated like you're a lowlife because of working in retail, pushed, ignored and all for being paid peanuts. Oh and a manager who thinks they're better than anyone, declining holiday for any sort of reason and just abusing their position.
I've only experienced being young and working in retail and I feel for them. |
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Love working with my younger colleagues, open minded, hard working, intelligent (I’m the only one without a degree) and humorous.
Two don’t drink and keep on asking me to go hill walking with them. I don’t as due to my health I don’t think I could keep up with them. 
They’re a good bunch and help me stay young as well |
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"In my opinion working in retail Is absolute hell. Day after day being belittled, spoken to like a piece of poop on their shoe, treated like you're a lowlife because of working in retail, pushed, ignored and all for being paid peanuts. Oh and a manager who thinks they're better than anyone, declining holiday for any sort of reason and just abusing their position.
I've only experienced being young and working in retail and I feel for them."
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"In my opinion working in retail Is absolute hell. Day after day being belittled, spoken to like a piece of poop on their shoe, treated like you're a lowlife because of working in retail, pushed, ignored and all for being paid peanuts. Oh and a manager who thinks they're better than anyone, declining holiday for any sort of reason and just abusing their position.
I've only experienced being young and working in retail and I feel for them."
Sounds like one of our managers! Unless u have a penis! Then u get what u want lol! |
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"Maybe just me but, to be honest, I can live without a 5 minute chat when I'm just trying to pay for petrol!
But I'm a Londoner, so you know...
I heard the young guy at the till asking someone about their plans for the weekend (bear in mind he was about 18, I'm 65) and quite naturally assumed he was talking to a mate. Nope he was using his cs skills bless his heart and engaging me in conversation. I didn't tell him the truth, it would have blown his mind "
Haha, yes, that would have been an eye opener!
I'm really not as grumpy as my message made me sound. And, like you, I think most young people are decent, hard working, and engaged... |
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"It doesnt help that younger consecutive younger generations keep getting tougher deals than the older generations had at at their age. For instance, the cost of living has skyrocketed with house prices and rents far outstripping the average wage at their ages. Then of course the cost of higher education is astronomical, with people from my dad's age getting free university tuition, my generation borrowing needing to borrow around 18k, while the current younger generation needing to borrow closer to 40k. Really it's wonder why todays youth are so dejected, I would be if I was in their position.
I'm 4 years younger than you and my student loan debt is £35k . "
Yup I was one of the last years. I also recieved education maintenence allowance (EMA) throughout my A-levels, which gave me 30 quid a week just for turning up plus 100 quid bonus each term for doing remotely well. I was one of the last years to get that as well. I feel quite sorry for the youngsters, I certainly dont envy them. |
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"All valid points so we know what the problems are we now need to fix it
The problem is were shat on by Tories and dug up by labour and nothing changes
Maybe it's time for a revolution ...lol"
Withnail and I fan? |
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"It’s Saturday
Most of the young ones you saw were probably up till 4am drinking cheap wine, sniffing horse tranqs and trying to rub their genitalia on eachother "
Studies suggest that the younger generation are generally taking less drugs and having less sex than their older peers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The older generation are more resilient and happy about the things they have then the youth of today. It’s about instant gratification and following shallow influencers who gloss over the world they live in and people want to live a lifestyle they can’t have….
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It could be that the younger staff are somewhat disenfranchised by their economic and employment situation, amongst other things OP? I tend to get cheery people of all types, though everyone has tougher days etc. We also tend to get the service quality that employers establish or prioritise - or fail to. |
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"I'm guessing that they are probably sick to the back teeth of being treated in shit in their jobs while earning NMW for their age.
A sad reflection, my boy went to KFC for some lunch at 1 and the server gave him his staff discount, on enquiring why my boy was told that he was the only one to be nice to him so far that day that made me really sad, like ffs, like he wants to be there shovelling chicken for NMW anyway let alone take shit from people
I have noticed that people in general are becoming ruder, members, kindness and empathy cost nothing and we are all dealing with shit in our lives in some way, still no excuse to be vile to others, you just never know what others are going through.
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It's not surprising really. A lack of discipline combined with the selfishness caused by capitalism are all contributors to the general state of manners and empathy these days. |
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"All valid points so we know what the problems are we now need to fix it
The problem is were shat on by Tories and dug up by labour and nothing changes
Maybe it's time for a revolution ...lol
Withnail and I fan?"
Yes and I've waited years to get the quote in somewhere |
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Tarring "all young people" with the same brush isn't helpful or fair. My son has just started working in a retail shop. He has Aspergers and struggles to talk to family much less strangers.
Making small talk is an art that many people my age can't manage. Young people have spent much of the last two years stuck in their bedrooms so I think it's harsh to criticise them for not being chatty with people decades older. |
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"The older generation are more resilient and happy about the things they have then the youth of today. It’s about instant gratification and following shallow influencers who gloss over the world they live in and people want to live a lifestyle they can’t have….
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It's true, we want the lifestyle of being a home owner before we're 40 which most of us can't have. I'm settling for buying 40% of a flat after 5 years of saving. |
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thinks its just people being people and best not to stereotype.
some have a good dsy / others bad young and old.
ive got a couple of apprendices and they are great! go to work for the banter |
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"All valid points so we know what the problems are we now need to fix it
The problem is were shat on by Tories and dug up by labour and nothing changes
Maybe it's time for a revolution ...lol
Withnail and I fan?
Yes and I've waited years to get the quote in somewhere "
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By *omer47Man
over a year ago
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Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank "
People who have student loans pay tax  |
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I had a Saturday job in a supermarket while at uni.
Most of the time I was still feeling the effects of the night before and probably did resemble a zombie! |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank "
Well perhaps we wouldn't need student loans if the policy makers of your generation (who all recieved for university education may I add) hadn't decided to run higher education as a business and not as an investment into the younger generations. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
Well perhaps we wouldn't need student loans if the policy makers of your generation (who all recieved for university education may I add) hadn't decided to run higher education as a business and not as an investment into the younger generations."
*free university education
My dander is up and I forgot to proof read |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
Well perhaps we wouldn't need student loans if the policy makers of your generation (who all recieved for university education may I add) hadn't decided to run higher education as a business and not as an investment into the younger generations."
Yep. I didn't pay tuition fees and had a grant that I didn't need to repay. I had a part time job to pay for vodka, fags and loose men. |
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Talking from experience.
Our teenagers are arsholes, when they are with their friends online they are having the time of their lives, the minute they come out of their rooms they look like they want to top themselves. And we dare not ask them any questions. My god it's the end of the world if we do that.
They are hormonal little shits,know everything & and think they're all that and a bag of chips...
We love them dearly but they are bloody weirdos. |
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"Talking from experience.
Our teenagers are arsholes, when they are with their friends online they are having the time of their lives, the minute they come out of their rooms they look like they want to top themselves. And we dare not ask them any questions. My god it's the end of the world if we do that.
They are hormonal little shits,know everything & and think they're all that and a bag of chips...
We love them dearly but they are bloody weirdos. "
Ours were like that but at college and work the very epitomy of upstanding citizens |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
Well perhaps we wouldn't need student loans if the policy makers of your generation (who all recieved for university education may I add) hadn't decided to run higher education as a business and not as an investment into the younger generations.
Yep. I didn't pay tuition fees and had a grant that I didn't need to repay. I had a part time job to pay for vodka, fags and loose men. "
It wasnt a dig at you. You can clearly see how it was a boon that the younger generations didnt recieve |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank "
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about! |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
Well perhaps we wouldn't need student loans if the policy makers of your generation (who all recieved for university education may I add) hadn't decided to run higher education as a business and not as an investment into the younger generations.
Yep. I didn't pay tuition fees and had a grant that I didn't need to repay. I had a part time job to pay for vodka, fags and loose men.
It wasnt a dig at you. You can clearly see how it was a boon that the younger generations didnt recieve "
I know. I agree with what you say. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank "
You're kidding right? Students no longer get grants as your generation did. They have to pay massive student fees introduced by the coalition and take out loans with interest from the government. Those loans are paid back when they earn a certain amount. And they should be thanking tax payers? |
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Think a lot are just a bit shy tbh, I do try to chat and engage with them and most are lovely and respond pleasantly enough, I've met older people in shops that are a lot harder to have a conversation with and some that are great. Don't know why people notice it more when the younger generation is involved. |
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I am not quite sure there is such a big gap in behaviour between ages as some might suggest. I have come across some very nice, well mannered and friendly younger people as well as some miserable and inappropriately behaving older ones. Just like anything else, the world is made up of all sorts.
Unfortunately though it's noticeable that generally speaking people are not as friendly or chatty as they used to be. Some may be preoccupied with their own troubles but some walk about with a permanently angry face and ready to pounce with the slightest reason. I still enjoy chatting to others whether it's neighbours, people waiting at the bus stop, working in a shop or wherever. It's lovely when they are friendly back but if not, well nothing lost and I can take a hint. My motto remains, be nice and kind and hopefully it will be reciprocated. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!"
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own. "
I couldnt agree more! I know that I couldnt afford a gap year and didnt even entertain the idea because of it. |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You're kidding right? Students no longer get grants as your generation did. They have to pay massive student fees introduced by the coalition and take out loans with interest from the government. Those loans are paid back when they earn a certain amount. And they should be thanking tax payers? "
I still have a student loan and I will be paying it off for a while yet. It made it possible for me to study for 5 years. Yes I grumble when I see how much I pay every month but I do that with tax, NI and pension then again who doesn't. I was glad of that my SL and I do not begrudge paying it back, I never have and I never will.
I also worked in retail when I was a student and I know how people are treated by the general public. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own. "
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week! |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own.
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week! "
You did it when you were 18/19? |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own.
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week!
You did it when you were 18/19?"
yeah after 2nd year uni
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own.
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week!
You did it when you were 18/19?
yeah after 2nd year uni
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I really don't mean this in any way to be rude but that was 23 years ago? They're talking about youth of today. I worked weekends in a hospital and full time in the holidays when I was in college and at university and I could barely afford to eat, nevermind flights to Australia and that was 10 years ago, nevermind with the cost of living now. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own.
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week!
You did it when you were 18/19?
yeah after 2nd year uni
I really don't mean this in any way to be rude but that was 23 years ago? They're talking about youth of today. I worked weekends in a hospital and full time in the holidays when I was in college and at university and I could barely afford to eat, nevermind flights to Australia and that was 10 years ago, nevermind with the cost of living now."
good point. would be interested to know cost of living vs. wages over past 25years.. cost of living is also geographical.but back to my earlier point i dont think its as sinple as young /old. |
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This may be unpopular but in my opinion, everyone should be able to access free degree education (and equivalent technical qualifications and apprenticeships), with a few safeguards to avoid issues like serial drop outs, non attendance etc. Many jobs these days require higher level skills and qualifications in a much more competitive world. Giving young people a huge debt to start their working life with is not a nice thing to do. Although I do understand the economic arguments, some of the money squandered elsewhere could pay for it for sure. |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own.
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week!
You did it when you were 18/19?
yeah after 2nd year uni
I really don't mean this in any way to be rude but that was 23 years ago? They're talking about youth of today. I worked weekends in a hospital and full time in the holidays when I was in college and at university and I could barely afford to eat, nevermind flights to Australia and that was 10 years ago, nevermind with the cost of living now."
Also, the Scottish devolved government still provide their youth with free higher education. Lucky gits lol |
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own. "
I agree with you, and gap years seem less popular then when I was a lad! But was replying to the comment that somehow suggested all young people are living it easy with 'free' student loans and gap years, with "taxpayers" paying for it, which is so untrue!
I agree most people couldn't afford a year off without working - but if you can, more power to you, at any age! |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
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"Luckily there are plenty of people working or these super high student loans would not be available by the government...and when they finish studying they have GAP years. I wonder how much of these student loans ever get paid back.....probably not alot...oh well at least we still have the tax payers to thank
You only pay your student loan back once in employment so you'd be paying tax too! And, given it's deducted straight from your salary, there's not much way of avoiding it.
And we're all free to take a gap year, not just young people! But of course most people would do it while they're young and don't have mortgages or children to worry about!
I also think the gap year thing is a bit of a myth. I know people who took a year out of education to work full time to afford to continue their education but I don't think that counts. The only people I have met who genuinely had gap years to travel had rich parents to help them fund it. Most went to private schools. Realistically, who can afford to support themselves for a year without working? Yes there's some options to work while travelling but then are you really taking a gap year or are you just working abroad? Then you still need to afford the flights in the first place which to the destinations usually associated with gap years are phenomenal on their own.
i'm not posh or privately educated (my numerous spelling mistakes will accost to that) but i dis a gap year in Australia and it was defo something i'd tecommend to any 18 /19 year old.
paid for the tickets working weekends and early mornings in a hospital. my uni fees were zero (still are up here)and even my fulltime course was only 25hrs a week!
You did it when you were 18/19?
yeah after 2nd year uni
I really don't mean this in any way to be rude but that was 23 years ago? They're talking about youth of today. I worked weekends in a hospital and full time in the holidays when I was in college and at university and I could barely afford to eat, nevermind flights to Australia and that was 10 years ago, nevermind with the cost of living now.
Also, the Scottish devolved government still provide their youth with free higher education. Lucky gits lol"
It's not just the youths. Anyone can get it. |
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