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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What do you fabbers think of being WOKE?
It didn't really bother me until WOKE raised it head in my favourite TV shows, Star Trek namely discovery, it raised its head in Wanda vision and the falcon and winter soldier, and the one they have chased for years I won't name due to spoilers.
So for you is being WOKE good or a bad thing? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"What do you fabbers think of being WOKE?
It didn't really bother me until WOKE raised it head in my favourite TV shows, Star Trek namely discovery, it raised its head in Wanda vision and the falcon and winter soldier, and the one they have chased for years I won't name due to spoilers.
So for you is being WOKE good or a bad thing?"
Star Trek and Marvel have always been woke. Granted it was always subtle in how its woven in to things but its always been there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Woke" means awakened, and specifically refers to oppressed people becoming awakened to injustice against them.
Always be suspicious of people that would rather you go back to sleep. |
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By *lutonicMan
over a year ago
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WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Depends on how the term WOKE is being used and for what purpose.
Woke is a good thing and should bring mainstream media into line with where it should be.
But when it's bandied around as term by some elements as a bully term denoting a weakness then it isn't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before. |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before."
*Applauds*
Very much this. However if you think star trek and marvel have only just become 'woke' you've missed years of subtext.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Catchphrases for people's believes and world views are in general used to demean and devide and are in my opinion toxic.
However in the spirit of the question I'd rather be woke than the opposite |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's a good thing as it makes you more aware of what's around you and alert to the injustices that people face in everyday life.
Unfortunately people who like to keep their minds close use the term negatively and also use words like snowflake because they think people are just "easily offended" by pointing these things out |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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As I said it didn't bother me until it raised it head in pop culture and the time I had invested in pop culture only to see it being changed to suit a narrative, has peeved me a little. |
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Woke is frequently used as a derogatory term to attack anything the right wing snowflakes are triggered by
However, this has to be balanced against the amount of virtue signaling we put up with from corporations and businesses looking to exploit minority groups for profit - I think this is what often gets under people's skins rather than the message itself.
Of course the corporations aren't blamed but instead the individuals who have nothing to do with how their plight is being used for profit |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Woke is frequently used as a derogatory term to attack anything the right wing snowflakes are triggered by
However, this has to be balanced against the amount of virtue signaling we put up with from corporations and businesses looking to exploit minority groups for profit - I think this is what often gets under people's skins rather than the message itself.
Of course the corporations aren't blamed but I stead the individuals who have nothing to do with how they plight is being used for profit "
This is very true, the approach and use of the "woke" content is more of an issue.
Though if it's not bold enough it often goes ignored by those that don't want to see it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a good thing as it makes you more aware of what's around you and alert to the injustices that people face in everyday life.
Unfortunately people who like to keep their minds close use the term negatively and also use words like snowflake because they think people are just "easily offended" by pointing these things out"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before."
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next. "
Star Trek in my view wasn't woke till discovery rather mortality tales for me, the stories changed the cannon has changed the sets are set at the wrong moment in time. it got so bad from fans they now have two time lines called the original timeline and the other is called the kelvin timeline, put it this way its so bad its only on Pluto tv.
the fans have a new catch phrase go woke go broke. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"As I said it didn't bother me until it raised it head in pop culture and the time I had invested in pop culture only to see it being changed to suit a narrative, has peeved me a little."
Again, you are ignoring the fact it has always been a part of star trek and marvel.
The federation is a Utopia accepting of so many "woke" things. There are so many episodes that cover these "woke" topics.
The X-men is a perfect example of racial prejudice and the hate towards others. It's not been subtle at all. And that's only one example. Stan Lee made sure these values went in to all narratives of the characters. |
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Society has turned into the professionally offended & everything has to be “horrendous, insidious, racist, homophobic etc etc etc etc…. there’s not enough space to type every complaint I’ve seen on Reddit, Facebook, Instagram & here.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next.
Star Trek in my view wasn't woke till discovery rather mortality tales for me, the stories changed the cannon has changed the sets are set at the wrong moment in time. it got so bad from fans they now have two time lines called the original timeline and the other is called the kelvin timeline, put it this way its so bad its only on Pluto tv.
the fans have a new catch phrase go woke go broke."
Star Trek has been ‘woke’ since Next Gen! And not in a subtle way either! |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good"
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism. |
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"WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next.
Star Trek in my view wasn't woke till discovery rather mortality tales for me, the stories changed the cannon has changed the sets are set at the wrong moment in time. it got so bad from fans they now have two time lines called the original timeline and the other is called the kelvin timeline, put it this way its so bad its only on Pluto tv.
the fans have a new catch phrase go woke go broke.
Star Trek has been ‘woke’ since Next Gen! And not in a subtle way either! "
But not when it had the world first prime time interracial kiss?
Ah, nostalgia glasses ! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"As I said it didn't bother me until it raised it head in pop culture and the time I had invested in pop culture only to see it being changed to suit a narrative, has peeved me a little.
Again, you are ignoring the fact it has always been a part of star trek and marvel.
The federation is a Utopia accepting of so many "woke" things. There are so many episodes that cover these "woke" topics.
The X-men is a perfect example of racial prejudice and the hate towards others. It's not been subtle at all. And that's only one example. Stan Lee made sure these values went in to all narratives of the characters. "
WOKE came to light about say 15 years ago, Star Trek is over 50 years, marvel older so woke came after, I agree with you that theses programmes were amongst the first to feature diverse cast and x men and blade are the reason im a marvel fan and I mean woke as in how it has invaded pop culture and changed what I thought I knew. |
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"What do you fabbers think of being WOKE?
It didn't really bother me until WOKE raised it head in my favourite TV shows, Star Trek namely discovery, it raised its head in Wanda vision and the falcon and winter soldier, and the one they have chased for years I won't name due to spoilers.
So for you is being WOKE good or a bad thing?"
How has it 'raised its head' in these shows exactly? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next.
Star Trek in my view wasn't woke till discovery rather mortality tales for me, the stories changed the cannon has changed the sets are set at the wrong moment in time. it got so bad from fans they now have two time lines called the original timeline and the other is called the kelvin timeline, put it this way its so bad its only on Pluto tv.
the fans have a new catch phrase go woke go broke.
Star Trek has been ‘woke’ since Next Gen! And not in a subtle way either! "
To be fair there is certainly a difference in the approach some shows these days take towards the inclusion of such things. Some, not all, go out of their way to make it about the thing they are trying to bring awareness too, instead of it being about part of the good story. The story can often suffer because of it.
Back in the days of TNG and MARVEL comics, it was interwoven better in to stories so that it was not subtle but was not at the expense of the story either. They were just better at combining the two. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"As I said it didn't bother me until it raised it head in pop culture and the time I had invested in pop culture only to see it being changed to suit a narrative, has peeved me a little.
Again, you are ignoring the fact it has always been a part of star trek and marvel.
The federation is a Utopia accepting of so many "woke" things. There are so many episodes that cover these "woke" topics.
The X-men is a perfect example of racial prejudice and the hate towards others. It's not been subtle at all. And that's only one example. Stan Lee made sure these values went in to all narratives of the characters.
WOKE came to light about say 15 years ago, Star Trek is over 50 years, marvel older so woke came after, I agree with you that theses programmes were amongst the first to feature diverse cast and x men and blade are the reason im a marvel fan and I mean woke as in how it has invaded pop culture and changed what I thought I knew."
How did "woke" come after when both of these things have always tackled "woke" issues. They are a core part of what these things are. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next.
Star Trek in my view wasn't woke till discovery rather mortality tales for me, the stories changed the cannon has changed the sets are set at the wrong moment in time. it got so bad from fans they now have two time lines called the original timeline and the other is called the kelvin timeline, put it this way its so bad its only on Pluto tv.
the fans have a new catch phrase go woke go broke.
Star Trek has been ‘woke’ since Next Gen! And not in a subtle way either!
But not when it had the world first prime time interracial kiss?
Ah, nostalgia glasses !"
that's the word nostalgia, that what WOKE has done to me ruin my memories of my heroes that have been changed or killed off for a new narrative, I don't care about woke in real life |
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"Woke (/'wo?k/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'
Seems like a good thing to me "
If that is the definition then it most definitely is a good thing, and another use of pop culture to make the world more “woke” can only be a good thing!
There was an outcry in the sixties when white Cpt. Kirk had a kiss with a black on screen character! |
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"As I said it didn't bother me until it raised it head in pop culture and the time I had invested in pop culture only to see it being changed to suit a narrative, has peeved me a little.
Again, you are ignoring the fact it has always been a part of star trek and marvel.
The federation is a Utopia accepting of so many "woke" things. There are so many episodes that cover these "woke" topics.
The X-men is a perfect example of racial prejudice and the hate towards others. It's not been subtle at all. And that's only one example. Stan Lee made sure these values went in to all narratives of the characters.
WOKE came to light about say 15 years ago, Star Trek is over 50 years, marvel older so woke came after, I agree with you that theses programmes were amongst the first to feature diverse cast and x men and blade are the reason im a marvel fan and I mean woke as in how it has invaded pop culture and changed what I thought I knew.
How did "woke" come after when both of these things have always tackled "woke" issues. They are a core part of what these things are. "
The term woke originates from the 1930s so unsure where they got 15 years from! |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism."
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history |
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"Woke (/'wo?k/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'
Seems like a good thing to me "
Every definition I've seen says Woke means being alert to injustice, especially racism. I'd say when people use the word they're not just referring to issues of racial injustice. |
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By *lutonicMan
over a year ago
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"Society has turned into the professionally offended & everything has to be “horrendous, insidious, racist, homophobic etc etc etc etc…. there’s not enough space to type every complaint I’ve seen on Reddit, Facebook, Instagram & here.
Here Here
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What do you fabbers think of being WOKE?
It didn't really bother me until WOKE raised it head in my favourite TV shows, Star Trek namely discovery, it raised its head in Wanda vision and the falcon and winter soldier, and the one they have chased for years I won't name due to spoilers.
So for you is being WOKE good or a bad thing?
How has it 'raised its head' in these shows exactly? "
Well white males leads are under threat, I first came across it in the new Star Wars films I came out of the force awakens and wondered where is Luke? only to see him be killed off
I won't spoil Indiana jones but the new film has been shelved due to fan backlash.
a women called gina cohrano was cancelled due to speaking out against the woke culture its endless in pop culture |
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"Society has turned into the professionally offended & everything has to be “horrendous, insidious, racist, homophobic etc etc etc etc…. there’s not enough space to type every complaint I’ve seen on Reddit, Facebook, Instagram & here.
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All of society? I find that people who mention "professionally offended" and generalisations are generally not willing to open their eyes to how much injustice there is because it happens not to affect them. |
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"WOKE is pretty annoying. I'm not sure what analogy you are drawing from the TV Series Star Trek.
But WOKE & CANCEL culture is change alot of peoples mind set. It was bad enough being Politically Correct, I just wonder what thought altering aspect will appear next.
Star Trek in my view wasn't woke till discovery rather mortality tales for me, the stories changed the cannon has changed the sets are set at the wrong moment in time. it got so bad from fans they now have two time lines called the original timeline and the other is called the kelvin timeline, put it this way its so bad its only on Pluto tv.
the fans have a new catch phrase go woke go broke.
Star Trek has been ‘woke’ since Next Gen! And not in a subtle way either!
To be fair there is certainly a difference in the approach some shows these days take towards the inclusion of such things. Some, not all, go out of their way to make it about the thing they are trying to bring awareness too, instead of it being about part of the good story. The story can often suffer because of it.
Back in the days of TNG and MARVEL comics, it was interwoven better in to stories so that it was not subtle but was not at the expense of the story either. They were just better at combining the two. "
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Woke (in all its terms) has been used to describe all sort of movements throughout history.
What worries me is how easily the narrative is directed by big media and big business these days
A quick News or Facebook campaign can radicalise and motivate a right wing voters much more effectively than any left wing campaign ever can.
Unfortunately, the education systems and standards in this country are designed by ruling classes to maintain the existing class based system.
A generally, conservative, Christian, heterosexual class system.
It doesn't take very much at all for a society to turn on a minority, historically, all through the hegemonic consent of an ignorant population, who are only too happy to vote with the headlines if they're told their freedoms are at risk or some other bullshit narrative.
Remember when gay marriage was going to destroy the fabric or reality? Or when single mothers were the cause of all of the financial problems the country faced under Thatcher? Before that it was black people, the Irish, Jews and since then it's been the Kosovans, the Polish, the Muslims, the trans people etc etc
Never the banks, the illegal wars or the corruption though (just saying)
So when we live in such Orwellian times, always ask yourself - who's making money from this and why?
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"Woke (in all its terms) has been used to describe all sort of movements throughout history.
What worries me is how easily the narrative is directed by big media and big business these days
A quick News or Facebook campaign can radicalise and motivate a right wing voters much more effectively than any left wing campaign ever can.
Unfortunately, the education systems and standards in this country are designed by ruling classes to maintain the existing class based system.
A generally, conservative, Christian, heterosexual class system.
It doesn't take very much at all for a society to turn on a minority, historically, all through the hegemonic consent of an ignorant population, who are only too happy to vote with the headlines if they're told their freedoms are at risk or some other bullshit narrative.
Remember when gay marriage was going to destroy the fabric or reality? Or when single mothers were the cause of all of the financial problems the country faced under Thatcher? Before that it was black people, the Irish, Jews and since then it's been the Kosovans, the Polish, the Muslims, the trans people etc etc
Never the banks, the illegal wars or the corruption though (just saying)
So when we live in such Orwellian times, always ask yourself - who's making money from this and why?
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history"
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly. |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly."
Sorry
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"What do you fabbers think of being WOKE?
It didn't really bother me until WOKE raised it head in my favourite TV shows, Star Trek namely discovery, it raised its head in Wanda vision and the falcon and winter soldier, and the one they have chased for years I won't name due to spoilers.
So for you is being WOKE good or a bad thing?
How has it 'raised its head' in these shows exactly?
Well white males leads are under threat, I first came across it in the new Star Wars films I came out of the force awakens and wondered where is Luke? only to see him be killed off
I won't spoil Indiana jones but the new film has been shelved due to fan backlash.
a women called gina cohrano was cancelled due to speaking out against the woke culture its endless in pop culture "
Be specific! Gina Carano got ousted because she claimed that American conservatives are treated like Jews during the holocaust, she also mocked people who wear masks and gave her support to the capitol insurrection! She’s also not cancelled, she has worked since. |
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"WOKE came to light about say 15 years ago, Star Trek is over 50 years, marvel older so woke came after, I agree with you that theses programmes were amongst the first to feature diverse cast and x men and blade are the reason im a marvel fan and I mean woke as in how it has invaded pop culture and changed what I thought I knew."
"Woke" is just a word black people use in the US. It means "awakened", and it's just a functional word that's not part of standard English (consider others, like "ain't"). Phrases like "stay woke", meaning "stay alert to racism", have been used for nearly a century - predating not only Star Trek but broadcast television itself. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"What do you fabbers think of being WOKE?
It didn't really bother me until WOKE raised it head in my favourite TV shows, Star Trek namely discovery, it raised its head in Wanda vision and the falcon and winter soldier, and the one they have chased for years I won't name due to spoilers.
So for you is being WOKE good or a bad thing?
How has it 'raised its head' in these shows exactly?
Well white males leads are under threat, I first came across it in the new Star Wars films I came out of the force awakens and wondered where is Luke? only to see him be killed off
I won't spoil Indiana jones but the new film has been shelved due to fan backlash.
a women called gina cohrano was cancelled due to speaking out against the woke culture its endless in pop culture "
White male leads are being reduced, not under threat. Big difference. They are no longer the primary option. They still exist. Look, Robert Pattinson is still a white male Bruce Wayne.
The star wars seqel trilogy was an unguided mess due to poor writing and rian Johnson just wanting to appear clever and "surprise" people with a poor story nothing to do with woke.
Gina was called out, not because she spoke up such things but because she compared being a republican in USA to being a jew in 1940s Germany. A rather self important and victim aimed comment that is not even close in comparison.
I agree with her right to air her thoughts but christ do it in a better way. |
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"Woke (/'wo?k/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'
Seems like a good thing to me
If that is the definition then it most definitely is a good thing, and another use of pop culture to make the world more “woke” can only be a good thing!
There was an outcry in the sixties when white Cpt. Kirk had a kiss with a black on screen character! "
interesting thanks for that, I heard a podcast on woke in pop culture and one guest put forward that it is a kind of socialisation making bame people more visible in the media, the Americans did this decades ago, but not at the sake of heroes I have grown up with, leave them alone and invent new woke heroes please. |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"a women called gina cohrano was cancelled due to speaking out against the woke culture its endless in pop culture "
Gina Chorano was fired by her employer after compared "hating someone for their political views" in the US to the treatment of Jewish people leading up to the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
That's nothing to do with speaking out against being 'woke' and everything to do with her exceptionally poor judgement of comparing her having to face people of an opposing view after her chosen political party lost an election, with the systematic hatred and then murder of millions of people |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field "
So did I, for over 20 years.
That's the joy of being a polymath
But thanks for the whataboutism - it really solidified your standing.
Back to the point - go back, read, re read if you're still struggling and even ask a friend if you have to.
And like you said, it's not like you have any expertise in the area, there's no shame in that petal. |
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over a year ago
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All I am saying that my favourite pop culture heroes are going out of sight and your thoughts, but feels like im under attack for some reason, ill leave you all to it. |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field "
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please) |
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"All I am saying that my favourite pop culture heroes are going out of sight and your thoughts, but feels like im under attack for some reason, ill leave you all to it."
Things change and serve different purposes over time. If you don't like it, don't consume the new culture.
You don't have to see it as an attack. Now other people can be included too. |
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over a year ago
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)"
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"All I am saying that my favourite pop culture heroes are going out of sight and your thoughts, but feels like im under attack for some reason, ill leave you all to it."
Which favourite pop culture heroes are those?
Like genuinely what heroes do you feel are lost, or are lesser than for being 'woke'
(Although I'm still not sure what you mean by woke other than something you're personally not happy with as you've not described it) |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant"
So because you have a family history of being the victim of atrocities, your woke is icky cuz I think it's like Stalin "analysis" is valid?
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant
So because you have a family history of being the victim of atrocities, your woke is icky cuz I think it's like Stalin "analysis" is valid?
Good grief "
Well said
Calling political correctness mob rule isn't exactly the kind of comment I'd expect a trans person to come out with but like I said, when that statement gets used against them and victimisation occurs I'll not agree that it's right but I'll still respect that this is what they want to believe.
I guess that makes me moronic in their eyes - not that I'll give much weight to their opinion of me.
I'll just stick to being a human rights advocate  |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant
So because you have a family history of being the victim of atrocities, your woke is icky cuz I think it's like Stalin "analysis" is valid?
Good grief "
You like strawmans dont you
When did i mention woke in my posts?
I said political correctness.
Imagine speaking like this to a family member of a Holocaust survivor
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I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
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over a year ago
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Modern usage of "political correctness" refers to inclusive language and behaviour (and that is what right-wing people are criticising).
It does have an unfortunate namesake in the phrases used by early 20th century Fascist movements - e.g. it was used by both the Nazis and the Soviet Union to distinguish "acceptable" opinions and beliefs (with the former, strongly linked also to ethnicity). |
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"I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
"
The first African-American version of Superman depicted was in Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths (February 1999) Then again in 2009s Final Crisis |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant
So because you have a family history of being the victim of atrocities, your woke is icky cuz I think it's like Stalin "analysis" is valid?
Good grief
You like strawmans dont you
When did i mention woke in my posts?
I said political correctness.
Imagine speaking like this to a family member of a Holocaust survivor
"
If they believed their family history trumped a need for actual historical and sociological analysis, I would.
And my apologies, I reverted to the OP. You did say political correctness.
One might argue that political correctness and "woke" are related points along a continuum of critique of social change - and that that makes it a question of nuance. I don't think the argument for continuity is desperately difficult here.
But what would I know about social science compared to someone who works in STEM?
Please. Go ahead. What's the material difference?
And please do enlighten me on the details of your analysis as to why political correctness has anything to do with Stalinism. Hint: analysis is not a blunt assertion. |
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"I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
The first African-American version of Superman depicted was in Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths (February 1999) Then again in 2009s Final Crisis "
thought I was geeky, good to see a pop culture specialist on here, so it has been done in comics? what did you think? |
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I always thought woke was the term for that over the top kinda PC stuff?
Like when a bunch of people went in at that white kid for having dreadlocks because they said it was cultural appropriation and racist
Or when that school board meeting turned into a discussion about not teach science because it’s racist
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"I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
The first African-American version of Superman depicted was in Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths (February 1999) Then again in 2009s Final Crisis
thought I was geeky, good to see a pop culture specialist on here, so it has been done in comics? what did you think?"
I’m always going to be more Marvel bias but I enjoyed those runs personally |
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I was gonna date last week and the lady said it's silly you can't call mixed race people Half-Cast. What's wrong with that and also that small people are midgets. I said that, surely they should be able to choose what they would like to be called and she said, they are just being silly....some people sadly just don't want to grow. |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant
So because you have a family history of being the victim of atrocities, your woke is icky cuz I think it's like Stalin "analysis" is valid?
Good grief
You like strawmans dont you
When did i mention woke in my posts?
I said political correctness.
Imagine speaking like this to a family member of a Holocaust survivor
"
If a survivor of the Holocaust was talking to me and said that their right to express their culture and religion were Stalinist (like you just did) would you want me to agree with them on their stance on political correctness?
Bearing in mind two things, one, you have no idea of my heritage at this point and two, by your own admission people should dismiss your views because you are trans and to include you as an equal would be politically correct, something you are opposed to.
Do you see why your arguements make no sense at all?
And when I say I'll respect your right to have your own opinions, you reply with insults. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
"
He-man the story recently told was just not centred around him. He was still the same character, he just took a back seat to the story. He wasn't changed. The sort was about the journey of 2 other female characters stepping out of the shadow of the previous main characters for once.
Nobody gives a shit about Indiana Jones anymore to be honest. He was replaced long ago for the new generations with Lara Croft and Nathan Drake.
Luke skywalker was at the hands of terrible writing under Rian Johnson. Ignoring plot lines presented to him by JJ, and destroying a character he didn't like in the first place over characters he essentially got to mold himself. That was at the hands of a writer loving his own product and not respecting what came before, not about wokeness.
Hate to break it to you buddy, but there has been a black Superman in the comics anyway. |
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"Woke, politically correct, just terms created by people, people who disagree with something and wish to denigrate and reduce the views of others who think differently.
No one has ever been cancelled. They just get criticised publicly. These are the same people who would call someone else snowflake in their position, so need a different term for themselves.
At the end of the day, it’s just consideration for others, and often consideration of things that have never been considered before.
Polictical correctness is a Stalinist thing
It isnt good
Political correctness means than you have the same rights as everybody else - that's all.
I would have thought you would have benefited from that directly being from a group of people condemned for being born as an "other".
But if you want to be frozen out and considered a deviant not only by society but also legally than who am I to stop you?
Just don't complain if you end up on the receiving end up abuse, you've just validated your own status as deserved victim
Something I can't agree with but will respect out of my own sense of political correctness and equalitarianism.
Im a deserving victim?
Thanks
That is not what it means at all
Please learn some history
I'm a sociologist and policital scientist - please learn how to critically analyse a comment as you failed to read it properly.
Sorry
I work in a real STEM field
Then maybe you shouldn't criticise what you don't understand.
Because as someone who also has relevant knowledge here, it seems you're throwing around broad themes and claiming that the other person is wrong.
It's Stalinist and learn some history has all the depth of saying that German schools are Nazi because "sie brauchen Papiere, bitte" (they need papers, please)
I have quite the understanding of where it comes from thanks
Members of my family found out first hand what it meant
So because you have a family history of being the victim of atrocities, your woke is icky cuz I think it's like Stalin "analysis" is valid?
Good grief
You like strawmans dont you
When did i mention woke in my posts?
I said political correctness.
Imagine speaking like this to a family member of a Holocaust survivor
If they believed their family history trumped a need for actual historical and sociological analysis, I would.
And my apologies, I reverted to the OP. You did say political correctness.
One might argue that political correctness and "woke" are related points along a continuum of critique of social change - and that that makes it a question of nuance. I don't think the argument for continuity is desperately difficult here.
But what would I know about social science compared to someone who works in STEM?
Please. Go ahead. What's the material difference?
And please do enlighten me on the details of your analysis as to why political correctness has anything to do with Stalinism. Hint: analysis is not a blunt assertion."
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"I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
The first African-American version of Superman depicted was in Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths (February 1999) Then again in 2009s Final Crisis
thought I was geeky, good to see a pop culture specialist on here, so it has been done in comics? what did you think?
I’m always going to be more Marvel bias but I enjoyed those runs personally "
I will have to look for them, as I wasn't aware it had already been done, but give me mr Reeves any day. |
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"I was gonna date last week and the lady said it's silly you can't call mixed race people Half-Cast. What's wrong with that and also that small people are midgets. I said that, surely they should be able to choose what they would like to be called and she said, they are just being silly....some people sadly just don't want to grow. "
I think that's more political correctness than woke then again I have been and can be wrong again. its a minefield that I didn't know I was planting. |
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"I didn't want to start an argument, but I have learned from here that it is a wide subject that people have alternate views on.
My héros who are gone or change,
he man,
my favourite spy,
indiana jones,
Luke skywalker (but fan blacklash brought him back)
there's talk of a black superman ho my
but I suppose the kids will grow up with a balance
He-man the story recently told was just not centred around him. He was still the same character, he just took a back seat to the story. He wasn't changed. The sort was about the journey of 2 other female characters stepping out of the shadow of the previous main characters for once.
Nobody gives a shit about Indiana Jones anymore to be honest. He was replaced long ago for the new generations with Lara Croft and Nathan Drake.
Luke skywalker was at the hands of terrible writing under Rian Johnson. Ignoring plot lines presented to him by JJ, and destroying a character he didn't like in the first place over characters he essentially got to mold himself. That was at the hands of a writer loving his own product and not respecting what came before, not about wokeness.
Hate to break it to you buddy, but there has been a black Superman in the comics anyway."
yes Ive been told about superman, but the Star Wars thing is different to me Kathleen Kennedy Steve speilsburg old producer now heads Lucas film and pop culture analysts or movie insiders blame her for the change in Star Wars have you ever watched overlord dvd on YouTube. |
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