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Is using a comma before ,and right?
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I have heard that it could be right, but I am not sure, every time when I see it in texts it looks wrong when there is a comma before ",and", what do you think of it and do you know the rules of why it is so?  |
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over a year ago
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The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.
It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:
"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."
You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?
One and two - Standard comma 
One, and two - Oxford comma
One ,and two - Nightmare fuel  "
Ha I didn't read the question that way. Assumed it was a typo. Fair point  |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?
One and two - Standard comma
One, and two - Oxford comma
One ,and two - Nightmare fuel "
Yes. I wonder the same too, there seem to be quite a few commas there |
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"Oooft i love a good Oxford comma 
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I agree. However I much prefer the Cambridge parenthesis.
Oh are we in competition  "
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We're together in brackets. But I know you prefer my shoes better than your own.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!"
I've never seen a space there.
It's demarcating the sentence, so replaces a full stop. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!"
I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after! |
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"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!
I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!"
I thought this too. I think it looks odd with a space |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!
I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!
I thought this too. I think it looks odd with a space "
The use of the comma after the exclamation is making my eyes hurt.
Nice to see an interrobang though. |
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"Yes we have the trend of question marks and exclamation marks immediately after words without spacing?.... In my day there was always a space !, looks better too me thinks ?!
I wasn’t aware there should be a space? I was always taught the question mark/exclamation mark came immediately after!
I thought this too. I think it looks odd with a space
The use of the comma after the exclamation is making my eyes hurt.
Nice to see an interrobang though."
I just had to google that...never heard of it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"
I'm not a qualified proofreader, but sometimes I like to put a comma there for emphasis. |
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"Nice to see an interrobang though.
I just had to google that...never heard of it!
They're a bit nerdy?!
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Maybe, yes lol
I like to learn new stuff. I'll never use it though.
Maybe...I could add it when replying to our customers at work |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe, yes lol
I like to learn new stuff. I'll never use it though.
Maybe...I could add it when replying to our customers at work "
Maybe?!
The interro bit is from 'interrogate' (like question).
The bang bit is because that's what some people used to call exclamations (they were also known as 'screamers'!)
I'm fully nerded out now |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.
It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:
"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."
You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement
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I am not sure if it is the oxford comma, is it called that? That is a good example too of its use there |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:
https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law |
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"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.
It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:
"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."
You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement
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I'm all for the Oxford comma.
And people using commas to reflect what they wamt to communicate, however they choose to. It's such a beautiful, flexible lamguage, that we are richer for people to use it, aiming to share themselves as they wish to. |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
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"This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:
https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law"
This is why the Oxford Comma is critical, particularly in contracts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x
This one always gets me, but not you've clarified it "
But is an adverb and the word is used to co-irdinate conjunctions, eg, into another word or phrase x |
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Sometimes known as an Oxford pause. Usually used in lists. Think about it in terms of pies:
Tonight I will eat apple, peach and cherry pie
Now I could be eating two or three pies, with an Oxford pause
Tonight I will be eating apple, peach, and cherry pie
Now you know I am eating three pies (not that peach and cherry pie doesn’t sound delicious)
If you think of a comma as a pause, then construct a sentence as you would say it, you will find the appropriate place to use an Oxford pause (comma)
Reminds me of my favourite joke;
Let’s eat grandma - punctuation saves lives. (,)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.  "
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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Pray tell which part of you quivered? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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Pray tell which part of you quivered? "
Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?  |
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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Pray tell which part of you quivered?
Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ? "
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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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Pray tell which part of you quivered?
Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?
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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much."
Ha ha ha, given up on synonym googling now and just outright chuckling at that response |
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"This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:
https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law
This is why the Oxford Comma is critical, particularly in contracts."
I bet someone's head rolled for that! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.
It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:
"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."
You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement
I am not sure if it is the oxford comma, is it called that? That is a good example too of its use there "
Thanks. I try. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For want of a comma that cost US$10 million.....
https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law
A friend showed me that when we had this discussion not long ago. |
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There is a useful Wikipedia article about it you might want to look up. It includes a good example of where you should have one:
"The Times once published an unintentionally humorous description of a Peter Ustinov documentary, noting that "highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector". Again, there is ambiguity as to whether the sentence refers to three distinct entities, or whether Mandela is being described as both a demigod and a dildo collector. The addition of a serial comma would not resolve the issue, as he could still be mistaken for a demigod, although he would be precluded from being a dildo collector." |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
I just saw it being used as I read an article about the queen and it was used in this sentence "Celebrations are expected across the country, and the pm joined with those honoring the queen" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just saw it being used as I read an article about the queen and it was used in this sentence "Celebrations are expected across the country, and the pm joined with those honoring the queen" "
There isn't a right and wrong for these things (apart from using the US spelling for honouring and lowercase for PM )
It's firstly a question of whether what's written makes sense, and then whether people are happy to read it, and then finally which people will tell you it's wrong. Those people then won't agree because it's a matter of style, not rules.
So don't stress about it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This article shows why the comma is important - it cost someone $10m:
https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/#:~:text=The%20Oxford%20comma%20debate%2C%20and,week%2C%20according%20to%20state%20law
This is why the Oxford Comma is critical, particularly in contracts.
I bet someone's head rolled for that!"
Possibly two other smaller items ... |
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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Pray tell which part of you quivered?
Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?
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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much."
I am delighted to discover the age of flirting still exists |
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
•
Pray tell which part of you quivered?
Would it be shameful to say my pudendum-muliebre ?
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I experience something similar with my Epididymis. It's not shameful. Much.
I am delighted to discover the age of flirting still exists."
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...this is the logophiles' thread; flirting is a prerequisite. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Im a fan of the oxford comma, but most people dont bother with it, in my experience that is x"
That is good and I also like it, although I like to use it with all the other connectors, it is just with the "and" it looks wrong with x |
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By *heggMan
over a year ago
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"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x"
Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...
To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong. |
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By *heggMan
over a year ago
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"Are we in another lickdown that we have resorted to this? Or is this the post fuck cuddling chst ?
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Resorted to what? This is the sesquipedalian grammar thread.
Oohh as a macroverbumsciolist I may have just quivered reading that grandiloquent response
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A case of hippopotomonstrosesquepedaliaphilia? |
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"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x
Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...
To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong."
I'm with you, on both counts! |
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Writing is about expression and communication. It's fine to express yourself, where you appreciate how others are going to perceive and understand what you have written. And where they have grasped exactly what you wanted to say.
Breaking some rules can be fine and a good thing. Less so, if it becomes the fixation of attention, rather than your overall meaning. But, you can use commas somewhat flexibly.
Our language evolves, through our use of it, for our needs. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Writing is about expression and communication. It's fine to express yourself, where you appreciate how others are going to perceive and understand what you have written. And where they have grasped exactly what you wanted to say.
Breaking some rules can be fine and a good thing. Less so, if it becomes the fixation of attention, rather than your overall meaning. But, you can use commas somewhat flexibly.
Our language evolves, through our use of it, for our needs. "
Yes and that is right, our language always evolves too |
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"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x
Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...
To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong."
Ohhh yesssss! 1 space is just wrong.  |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"As a qualified proofreader, I can tell you that you don't put a comma before or after "but" x
Not usually but, and it's a big but, sometimes you do...
To throw more fuel on the fire, two spaces at the end of sentences is good. Any claims it's outdated because we don't use the typewriters that necessitated it are wrong.
Ohhh yesssss! 1 space is just wrong. "
Yes I did CSE typing, as I foresaw every body typing on a regular basis and thought it might be a useful skill.
Touch typing was something I could never master, as I never had the ability to remember where the keys were.
I can still use one now. Central placed text? Count the letters, divide by two then backspace by half that number if odd, round down, then divide by two. |
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It could be worse it could be one of those huge ever growing pulsating sentences from the centre of the universe that seem to exist for no other reason but to contain not a single solitary piece of punctuation apart from the humble word separating space which therefor leaves you either trying to decipher what the hell the poster is trying to say while reading it in a single breath even when doing it in your head so obviously no need to actually breathe at the correct point or you are left wondering exactly where this loon was educated that they feel it wholly appropriate to sully the page with the almost never ending tirade of letters resembling an accident in a scrabble tile factory that has somehow resulted in the dropped letters falling in to perfectly formed yet almost incomprehensible words due to the lack of legible sentences that you are now punctuating yourself as you pause at the correct points while you trawl through the madness in front of you |
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"It could be worse it could be one of those huge ever growing pulsating sentences from the centre of the universe that seem to exist for no other reason but to contain not a single solitary piece of punctuation apart from the humble word separating space which therefor leaves you either trying to decipher what the hell the poster is trying to say while reading it in a single breath even when doing it in your head so obviously no need to actually breathe at the correct point or you are left wondering exactly where this loon was educated that they feel it wholly appropriate to sully the page with the almost never ending tirade of letters resembling an accident in a scrabble tile factory that has somehow resulted in the dropped letters falling in to perfectly formed yet almost incomprehensible words due to the lack of legible sentences that you are now punctuating yourself as you pause at the correct points while you trawl through the madness in front of you "
Who needs punctuation |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"It could be worse it could be one of those huge ever growing pulsating sentences from the centre of the universe that seem to exist for no other reason but to contain not a single solitary piece of punctuation apart from the humble word separating space which therefor leaves you either trying to decipher what the hell the poster is trying to say while reading it in a single breath even when doing it in your head so obviously no need to actually breathe at the correct point or you are left wondering exactly where this loon was educated that they feel it wholly appropriate to sully the page with the almost never ending tirade of letters resembling an accident in a scrabble tile factory that has somehow resulted in the dropped letters falling in to perfectly formed yet almost incomprehensible words due to the lack of legible sentences that you are now punctuating yourself as you pause at the correct points while you trawl through the madness in front of you
Who needs punctuation "
Notaincientcivilisations |
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"It could be worse it could be one of those huge ever growing pulsating sentences from the centre of the universe that seem to exist for no other reason but to contain not a single solitary piece of punctuation apart from the humble word separating space which therefor leaves you either trying to decipher what the hell the poster is trying to say while reading it in a single breath even when doing it in your head so obviously no need to actually breathe at the correct point or you are left wondering exactly where this loon was educated that they feel it wholly appropriate to sully the page with the almost never ending tirade of letters resembling an accident in a scrabble tile factory that has somehow resulted in the dropped letters falling in to perfectly formed yet almost incomprehensible words due to the lack of legible sentences that you are now punctuating yourself as you pause at the correct points while you trawl through the madness in front of you
Who needs punctuation "
Certainly not the Romans. |
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"I have heard that it could be right, but I am not sure, every time when I see it in texts it looks wrong when there is a comma before ",and", what do you think of it and do you know the rules of why it is so? "
Dum and bass, trance and hip hop looks better. |
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"I have heard that it could be right, but I am not sure, every time when I see it in texts it looks wrong when there is a comma before ",and", what do you think of it and do you know the rules of why it is so? "
What you are referring to, I think, is the Oxford Comma. It's an ongoing debate and neither right or wrong. Here's an example of when you might want to use it:
"I was raised by my parents, Prince and Madonna."
Without a comma before the last item in that list, it looks like your parents are Prince and Madonna. The alternative would be:
"I was raised by my parents, Prince, and Madonna."
However, I personally don't use it and would just reword as such:
"I was raised by my parents, along with Prince and Madonna." |
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"Who the hell attaches a comma to the beginning of 'and'?
One and two - Standard comma
One, and two - Oxford comma
One ,and two - Nightmare fuel "
I went, to the shop to buy, bread - The Rogue comma |
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"The Oxford comma? Also known as the serial comma I think. Yes, it has a place.
It's used as the final comma in a list. For example:
"We went out for dinner and had a shared starter, delicious main courses, a lovely dessert which I'd order again, and plenty of wine."
You could venture into the use of semi colons here, if you wished. Just to add to the excitement
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This is using commas for a subordinate clause.
Commas are not used before 'and' in a list: I went to the shops and bought a cucumber, an aubergine, some lube and a packet of condoms. |
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"Commas are not used before 'and' in a list: I went to the shops and bought a cucumber, an aubergine, some lube and a packet of condoms. "
On the contrary, it's a matter of style. Commas often *are* used before the last iten in a list.
Your example does not apply, as the extra comma would not aid clarity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have heard that it could be right, but I am not sure, every time when I see it in texts it looks wrong when there is a comma before ",and", what do you think of it and do you know the rules of why it is so? "
,and, is correct |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We were thought that you use a comma to separate your points, where you would breathe during speech and never before and.
However my English teacher friend sent me a message once with comma, and then continued with and. I pulled him up on it and he said that’s ok and explained something about subtense or pretended that went over my head.
So this thread did the same. I get you can go , and correctly at times but when baffles me.
Same for semi colons which my friend also tried to define. I don’t understand them either but he will use them in writing a story.
My heads a bit anti language anyway, may never get it. My natural ease is with maths instead. |
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