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I love the way Cameron blames Labor for the country's debt crisis but blames the problems in Europe for causing the countries current problems, plus Labor ofcourse.
The real problem ofcourse is the Banks that corruptly caused the financial problems we all have today, plus many governments going all the way back to Thatchers time |
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"Doesn't matter what he says, he'll do a u-turn on it next week ! 
All politicians are in it for just one thing - themselves. "
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"Doesn't matter what he says, he'll do a u-turn on it next week !
All politicians are in it for just one thing - themselves.
My gran always used to say 'doesn't matter what colour their rosette is, they all piss in the same bucket' "
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"Doesn't matter what he says, he'll do a u-turn on it next week !
All politicians are in it for just one thing - themselves.
My gran always used to say 'doesn't matter what colour their rosette is, they all piss in the same bucket' "
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"Will somebody just remind him what percentage of the uk population own 90% of the wealth...."
Yep but weather your worth one quid or 10 million we all get one vote, so if the 90% get pissed off we can change things ! |
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"Will somebody just remind him what percentage of the uk population own 90% of the wealth....
Yep but weather your worth one quid or 10 million we all get one vote, so if the 90% get pissed off we can change things !"
Bring back Wat Tyler!! |
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"Yep but weather your worth one quid or 10 million we all get one vote, so if the 90% get pissed off we can change things"
Well he's pissing me off....but so are most (not all) of the politicians irrespective of party . We do need to change things we need a government with a much longer term _iew then the next election...... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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""Nick Robinson just saying it was a sermon."
spot on Nick......I've got the radio on ...they have cut to the news ...hopefully come comment in a minute or two....
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I'll be watching Today at Conference tonight to hear the reflective comments. And, whether Nick Robinson is correct and there is a spoof video of the speech before the end of the day. |
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Love the way he talks about being on the side of hard working families then steals £2000 a year off us by stopping our family allowance. We have both worked very hard to get where we are but are far from rich and £2000 will leave a large hole in our finances. Yes we are in a better position than many but will still need to make changes when this happens. |
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"I love the way Cameron blames Labor for the country's debt crisis but blames the problems in Europe for causing the countries current problems, plus Labor ofcourse.
The real problem ofcourse is the Banks that corruptly caused the financial problems we all have today, plus many governments going all the way back to Thatchers time"
I love the way Labour supporters ALWAYS manage to get right back to Thatcher when looking for someome to blame today's problems on. She was in power OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO - get over it!
The Labour Party screwed this country up all by themselves. They should have regulated the Banks but didn't (because they didn't understand the banking system the way rich folk do  ) and it was Tony B.LIAR who took us into an illegal war in Iraq don't forget, which cost us £££BILLIONS we could ill afford but because he nor Brown knew the true state of the nation's finances they couldn't possibly know we didn't have a pot to piss in let alone enough cash to fight a war we should never have got involved in.
But hey, it was Thatcher's fault, all of that, wasn't it.  |
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"I love the way Cameron blames Labor for the country's debt crisis but blames the problems in Europe for causing the countries current problems, plus Labor ofcourse.
The real problem ofcourse is the Banks that corruptly caused the financial problems we all have today, plus many governments going all the way back to Thatchers time"
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The man is a complete and utter knob end; I would not trust this country to such a feeble person. The only good thing one could say about him is that he sticks by his friends, even when they are totally out of their depth at their jobs like Osborne “Chancellor” who has not got a clue “My 10 year old daughter could run the economy better than George, and Andrew Mitchell whom Cameron backs when he calls police officers “Plebs” the week 2 women police officers are shot dead on our streets!!
Let us not forget he is only PM because the Lib Dems and Glegg seen a chance to have a share of power that they could not have dreamed off in a 100 years. Cameron and Glegg are like “2 naughty school boys who have found the key to the tuck shop and have locked themselves in” and the quicker the prefects find them and give them a jolly good thrashing, roasting in front of an open fire the better for all!
Rant over, I suppose I should have just said "He's a Prick" would have been quicker  |
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Anyone beleiving Cameron and the Tories needs their fking head read. Tough on Crime n Punishment? So why sack so many coppers? The party of the NHS? Really? REALLY? The armed services are so good? Why cut them from an army to a defence force? Get rid of the fleet air arm? Economically competent? Both of the last Tory governments inherited a recovery and gave us double dip recessions.......... They must think we a fking stupid, they realy must............ |
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"I love the way Cameron blames Labor for the country's debt crisis but blames the problems in Europe for causing the countries current problems, plus Labor ofcourse.
The real problem ofcourse is the Banks that corruptly caused the financial problems we all have today, plus many governments going all the way back to Thatchers time
I love the way Labour supporters ALWAYS manage to get right back to Thatcher when looking for someome to blame today's problems on. She was in power OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO - get over it!
The Labour Party screwed this country up all by themselves. They should have regulated the Banks but didn't (because they didn't understand the banking system the way rich folk do ) and it was Tony B.LIAR who took us into an illegal war in Iraq don't forget, which cost us £££BILLIONS we could ill afford but because he nor Brown knew the true state of the nation's finances they couldn't possibly know we didn't have a pot to piss in let alone enough cash to fight a war we should never have got involved in.
But hey, it was Thatcher's fault, all of that, wasn't it. "
Hold on, Wishy, lets correct a few things.....
a) It was Thatcher who deregulated the banks.
b) Blair was the son of Thatcher.
c) All stripes of Tories were complaining that there was TOO MUCH bank regulation and that the government should have stepped out even further.
Tories, they expect every one to be as blinkered as they are...... |
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"I love the way Cameron blames Labor for the country's debt crisis but blames the problems in Europe for causing the countries current problems, plus Labor ofcourse.
The real problem ofcourse is the Banks that corruptly caused the financial problems we all have today, plus many governments going all the way back to Thatchers time
I love the way Labour supporters ALWAYS manage to get right back to Thatcher when looking for someome to blame today's problems on. She was in power OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO - get over it!
The Labour Party screwed this country up all by themselves. They should have regulated the Banks but didn't (because they didn't understand the banking system the way rich folk do ) and it was Tony B.LIAR who took us into an illegal war in Iraq don't forget, which cost us £££BILLIONS we could ill afford but because he nor Brown knew the true state of the nation's finances they couldn't possibly know we didn't have a pot to piss in let alone enough cash to fight a war we should never have got involved in.
But hey, it was Thatcher's fault, all of that, wasn't it. "
Heres a ditty for you tory loving people
Brezhnev took Afghanistan and
Begin took Beirut
Galtieri took the Union Jack
and Maggie over lunch one day
Took a cruiser with all hands, Apparently, to make him give it back
Ooo, Maggie what have you done?
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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago
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Successive governments of all parties have spunked billions on wasted projects/wars/tax cuts for the rich.
Thatcher had all that billions from oil revenue and selling off the national treasure(BT, Water, electricity, Gas etc), yet did nothing about the crumbling schools and hospitals. I went to a school in the 80s/early 90's that had building designed to be temporary still being used 40 years later because torys wouldnt spend the money to refurbish schools.
Labour wasted billions on crackpot ideas like the NHS computer project, and the fire control center. To be fair to labour, they had to spend billions on schools and hospitals because they were in such a shit state when they took over - years of underfunding from the torys left them with no choice.
Both previous governments were in power far too long and so got complacent because of the non existance of any sort of opposition to them. |
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"Hold on, Wishy, lets correct a few things.....
a) It was Thatcher who deregulated the banks. "
Then why didn't Brown re-regulate them if Thatcher's deregulation policy was so wrong?
Brown admitted in the televised election debates that he should have and didn't, because of pressure put on him by the banks themselves! That should have set alarm bells ringing in the daft prat's head but he chose instead to bury it in the sand.
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b) Blair was the son of Thatcher.
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What a ridiculous thing to say. Blair tore up Clause 4 of the Labour Party Rule Book for Silly Buggers as he knew it was the only way to get himself - and Labour - elected. Blair was NEVER a Thatcherite, but I do concede that it's a handy label to put round his neck by Labour supporters who don't like him anymore.
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c) All stripes of Tories were complaining that there was TOO MUCH bank regulation and that the government should have stepped out even further.
Tories, they expect every one to be as blinkered as they are......"
As opposed to what? Believing that borrowing piled upon yet more borrowing leads to financial reward and independence? Anyone who runs a household will know that borrowing money is a fool's errand.
Cameron was right: Labour are a party of one notion: Borrow. |
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"Hold on, Wishy, lets correct a few things.....
a) It was Thatcher who deregulated the banks.
Then why didn't Brown re-regulate them if Thatcher's deregulation policy was so wrong?
Brown admitted in the televised election debates that he should have and didn't, because of pressure put on him by the banks themselves! That should have set alarm bells ringing in the daft prat's head but he chose instead to bury it in the sand.
b) Blair was the son of Thatcher.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Blair tore up Clause 4 of the Labour Party Rule Book for Silly Buggers as he knew it was the only way to get himself - and Labour - elected. Blair was NEVER a Thatcherite, but I do concede that it's a handy label to put round his neck by Labour supporters who don't like him anymore.
c) All stripes of Tories were complaining that there was TOO MUCH bank regulation and that the government should have stepped out even further.
Tories, they expect every one to be as blinkered as they are......
As opposed to what? Believing that borrowing piled upon yet more borrowing leads to financial reward and independence? Anyone who runs a household will know that borrowing money is a fool's errand.
Cameron was right: Labour are a party of one notion: Borrow."
Wishy you ought really know that running a national economy is not like running a house. When a household cuts its spending its economy stays the same size but it's spending power rises. When a national economy cuts it's spending the economy shrinks and the nations spending power declines.
The Depression of the '30's was caused by a crash and governments cutting spending, leading to a shrinking economy and a vicious circle. Kinda like what's happening now, except that the real cuts have not hit us yet!
These incompetent fools will set us back a generation.......... |
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As opposed to what? Believing that borrowing piled upon yet more borrowing leads to financial reward and independence? Anyone who runs a household will know that borrowing money is a fool's errand.
Cameron was right: Labour are a party of one notion: Borrow."
I don't usually get involved with Politics but you need to read how Keynes & Roosevelt dragged the worlds biggest economy out of the worst ever depression-it wasn't by making 100,000s of people jobless, so reducing tax income and massively increasing the welfare burden! Oh and prior to the US banking crisis this country had the second lowest deficit in the world. |
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"Hold on, Wishy, lets correct a few things.....
a) It was Thatcher who deregulated the banks.
Then why didn't Brown re-regulate them if Thatcher's deregulation policy was so wrong?
Brown admitted in the televised election debates that he should have and didn't, because of pressure put on him by the banks themselves! That should have set alarm bells ringing in the daft prat's head but he chose instead to bury it in the sand.
b) Blair was the son of Thatcher.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Blair tore up Clause 4 of the Labour Party Rule Book for Silly Buggers as he knew it was the only way to get himself - and Labour - elected. Blair was NEVER a Thatcherite, but I do concede that it's a handy label to put round his neck by Labour supporters who don't like him anymore.
c) All stripes of Tories were complaining that there was TOO MUCH bank regulation and that the government should have stepped out even further.
Tories, they expect every one to be as blinkered as they are......
As opposed to what? Believing that borrowing piled upon yet more borrowing leads to financial reward and independence? Anyone who runs a household will know that borrowing money is a fool's errand.
Cameron was right: Labour are a party of one notion: Borrow.
Wishy you ought really know that running a national economy is not like running a house. When a household cuts its spending its economy stays the same size but it's spending power rises. When a national economy cuts it's spending the economy shrinks and the nations spending power declines.
The Depression of the '30's was caused by a crash and governments cutting spending, leading to a shrinking economy and a vicious circle. Kinda like what's happening now, except that the real cuts have not hit us yet!
These incompetent fools will set us back a generation.........."
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As opposed to what? Believing that borrowing piled upon yet more borrowing leads to financial reward and independence? Anyone who runs a household will know that borrowing money is a fool's errand.
Cameron was right: Labour are a party of one notion: Borrow.
I don't usually get involved with Politics but you need to read how Keynes & Roosevelt dragged the worlds biggest economy out of the worst ever depression-it wasn't by making 100,000s of people jobless, so reducing tax income and massively increasing the welfare burden! Oh and prior to the US banking crisis this country had the second lowest deficit in the world. "
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It's the same in principal, but at national level the figures are mind boggling - TRILLIONS of POUNDS in the red. That is unsustainable as the inevitable gowngrade in our credit status from AAA to anything other rating means it costs us - the taxpayer - even more to borrow in the future, and the debt inevitably grows bigger.
Sure I think the govt could spend our money more wisely, like stopping the colossal waste thrown into the NHS - oh, wait a sec, Cameron's just announced that hasn't he.
Or we could stop giving the lazy free homes and encourage them that there's a better way, like working.... Um... Cam's just announced that too.
Why not do something radical for a change.. Let's give the bloke a chance to see if he can deliver. The problems this government inherited *were* problems caused by the previous administration for the simple fact that Brown/Blair didn't sort them out when they had the chance - and the power - to do so. Why didn't they?
The Depression of the 30s was a global depression caused by a crash in the USA and the subsequent loan call by the US govt to the countries who owed it money and then the ban on foreign goods imported to the States in a feeble attempt to shore up it's own markets.
Who holds most of the IOUs in the world today?
China.
If China implemented a plan to destabilise markets all it would have to do is call in it's debts. If we have minimised our exposure, by cutting our deficit, we aren't at anyone's mercy. The 1930s taught some of us that. |
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The 30s depression was caused by the collapse of US banks and stock market, this snowballed around the world and wasn't helped by their exit from markets.
Keynes' basic idea was simple: to keep people fully employed, governments have to run deficits when the economy is slowing, as the private sector would not invest enough to keep production at the normal level and bring the economy out of recession. Keynesian economists called on governments during times of economic crisis to pick up the slack by increasing government spending and/or cutting taxes.
It worked then and would work now, as it was doing and the country's economy was in decent growth before these inept clowns got into power via the back door. |
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Firstly, not everybody believes in Keynesian economics, and secondly, back door? What back door? Labour were the sitting tennants in No.10 and didn't secure enough votes to remain there. They lost the election. They could have formed a coalition with the LibDems but Brown was too stupid to realise it was the only way of keeping his bloody job. |
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Sure I think the govt could spend our money more wisely, like stopping the colossal waste thrown into the NHS - oh, wait a sec, Cameron's just announced that hasn't he.
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If you mean by cutting 1000s of frontline staff from the countrys biggest employer then you are correct, that's why we have unqualified healthcare workers doing nurses jobs and patient waiting lists increasing daily. However, independent reports say the majority of efficiency savings had already being reached before the last election.
It's a great thing 'The Tory Press Machine' but if you read facts you'll see around it! |
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Sure I think the govt could spend our money more wisely, like stopping the colossal waste thrown into the NHS - oh, wait a sec, Cameron's just announced that hasn't he.
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If you mean by cutting 1000s of frontline staff from the countrys biggest employer then you are correct, that's why we have unqualified healthcare workers doing nurses jobs and patient waiting lists increasing daily. However, independent reports say the majority of efficiency savings had already being reached before the last election.
It's a great thing 'The Tory Press Machine' but if you read facts you'll see around it! |
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"Firstly, not everybody believes in Keynesian economics, and secondly, back door? What back door? Labour were the sitting tennants in No.10 and didn't secure enough votes to remain there. They lost the election. They could have formed a coalition with the LibDems but Brown was too stupid to realise it was the only way of keeping his bloody job."
You may not believe in Keynesian economics but the facts are there for all to see-it worked for the worst US economic crisis of the 20th century!
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Sure I think the govt could spend our money more wisely, like stopping the colossal waste thrown into the NHS - oh, wait a sec, Cameron's just announced that hasn't he.
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If you mean by cutting 1000s of frontline staff from the countrys biggest employer then you are correct, that's why we have unqualified healthcare workers doing nurses jobs and patient waiting lists increasing daily. However, independent reports say the majority of efficiency savings had already being reached before the last election.
It's a great thing 'The Tory Press Machine' but if you read facts you'll see around it!"
Really? My dear old mum has just been diagnosed with gall stones but she was initially told she wouldn't even be seen about a date for an op for three months. She then saw her regular GP who disagreed with that and has sent her to a private clinic for an op later this month. She asked how she could be treated privately under the NHS and was told that restructuring had enabled them to get patients the treatment they needed when they needed it, and that millions had been saved in a waste cutting programme initiated by THIS government.
I can see the NHS changing under the Conservatives with a direct benefit to my family, and where I've advocated scrapping the NHS in the past I'm now in favour of a healthcare system if it works as it was originally intended, and that's what Cameron is trying to do.
As for unqualified workers doing the jobs of nurses, it does make one wonder if nurses in the past were being asked to do jobs that they were over-qualified to do and if using unqualified staff now to perform routine daily tasks around the wards frees up registered nurses for the essential nursing services they are trained to provide then that has to be a good move. (let's also get our terminology correct here too: unqualified doesn't mean a cleaner being asked to put down her mop for a moment to help redress a patient's wound) |
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"Firstly, not everybody believes in Keynesian economics, and secondly, back door? What back door? Labour were the sitting tennants in No.10 and didn't secure enough votes to remain there. They lost the election. They could have formed a coalition with the LibDems but Brown was too stupid to realise it was the only way of keeping his bloody job.
You may not believe in Keynesian economics but the facts are there for all to see-it worked for the worst US economic crisis of the 20th century!
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Key point there: 20th Century.
This is the 21st Century and the world is a much smaller place where information can be disseminated in the blink of an eye and a market price affected almost instantly. You cannot buy one's way out of financial trouble, you must live with your means to pay for the things you need.
Cameron said today: "borrowing & spending got us into this mess, how on earth will more borrowing & spending get us out of it!"
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Sure I think the govt could spend our money more wisely, like stopping the colossal waste thrown into the NHS - oh, wait a sec, Cameron's just announced that hasn't he.
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If you mean by cutting 1000s of frontline staff from the countrys biggest employer then you are correct, that's why we have unqualified healthcare workers doing nurses jobs and patient waiting lists increasing daily. However, independent reports say the majority of efficiency savings had already being reached before the last election.
It's a great thing 'The Tory Press Machine' but if you read facts you'll see around it!
Really? My dear old mum has just been diagnosed with gall stones but she was initially told she wouldn't even be seen about a date for an op for three months. She then saw her regular GP who disagreed with that and has sent her to a private clinic for an op later this month. She asked how she could be treated privately under the NHS and was told that restructuring had enabled them to get patients the treatment they needed when they needed it, and that millions had been saved in a waste cutting programme initiated by THIS government.
I can see the NHS changing under the Conservatives with a direct benefit to my family, and where I've advocated scrapping the NHS in the past I'm now in favour of a healthcare system if it works as it was originally intended, and that's what Cameron is trying to do.
As for unqualified workers doing the jobs of nurses, it does make one wonder if nurses in the past were being asked to do jobs that they were over-qualified to do and if using unqualified staff now to perform routine daily tasks around the wards frees up registered nurses for the essential nursing services they are trained to provide then that has to be a good move. (let's also get our terminology correct here too: unqualified doesn't mean a cleaner being asked to put down her mop for a moment to help redress a patient's wound)"
Well that is fine and dandy but what if it is just a carrot? Wait for the dismantling of the NHS and then they cut the funds available to GPs to fund such operations. That is the way they sneak these changes in - Mark my words.  |
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its always the same a bit of hardship and we forget who got us in the mess and blame the current government as being to blame seriously people be realistic no one government is going to please all the people and there will always be those who see it as a personal slant at certain classes but the truth is labour ruined us i was a labour voter im not tory but i do believe cammeron has to do all he can to put us back on the right path we cannot continue to keep bailing out people over social benefits and other people who come over here scream assylum and get given social help and housing we are all going to suffer for a while no matter how well off we are people keep going on about thatcher i wonder if she had been a man would there have been as much fuss but try to remeber the state of the country due to labour before maggie took over the similarites to todays situation are creepily similar we have to be realistic tighten our belts and ride it out i have a sister in france a brother in austrailia and a sister in law in spain all are suffering its global but we are stillnot as bad as those ecconimies like greece |
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