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"Yes I think things are stacking up against him. He won’t survive prison either. " He won’t go to prison, it’s a civil case so seeking compensation | |||
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"Yes I think things are stacking up against him. He won’t survive prison either. He won’t go to prison, it’s a civil case so seeking compensation " This may open the floodgates to criminal proceedings | |||
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"Yes I think things are stacking up against him. He won’t survive prison either. He won’t go to prison, it’s a civil case so seeking compensation This may open the floodgates to criminal proceedings" If found guilty maybe. | |||
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"Yes I think things are stacking up against him. He won’t survive prison either. He won’t go to prison, it’s a civil case so seeking compensation This may open the floodgates to criminal proceedings" I think the queen taking away all his titles tells a story in itself | |||
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"Guilty, years of association with a peado and his sex trafficking sidekick...of course he was involved. There is too much evidence, damming photographs, that pathetic interview. Guilty as accused. " Feel free to PM me some of the evidence you've seen, I'd like to look into this. Thanks. Winston | |||
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"Guilty, years of association with a peado and his sex trafficking sidekick...of course he was involved. There is too much evidence, damming photographs, that pathetic interview. Guilty as accused. Feel free to PM me some of the evidence you've seen, I'd like to look into this. Thanks. Winston" Use Google and do the work yourself. | |||
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"lying about things does not help, she was over the age of consent in this country & does not look unhappy in the photo, if he was honest about what happened I would have more sympathy, perhaps more illegal activity is yet to immerge? " I wouldn't read too much into her demeanor in the photo. | |||
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"lying about things does not help, she was over the age of consent in this country & does not look unhappy in the photo, if he was honest about what happened I would have more sympathy, perhaps more illegal activity is yet to immerge? " What a moronic statement..... She does not look unhappy.... I seriously hoped we'd be past this kind of attitude when it came to abusive situations  | |||
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"He is accusing her of having false memories yet he has no recollection of the photo of them together in Maxwell's house" This..... Is just... Cringe.... He must be sweating now... | |||
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"He is accusing her of having false memories yet he has no recollection of the photo of them together in Maxwell's house" 
That's a real low point from him. He's been consistently devoid of any sympathy for child victims of his close friends, which presents a very bad image of him. This false memory nonsense is sinking to another low point, after trying to be covered by the compensation for abuse that his friend paid out, with a blanket cover for his associates.
Too many of these very rich hangers on, who bleed the public dry, should payback to the country and get a real, hard working life. Charles should abolish it all, after his mother dies. | |||
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"That woman is only after money. Andrew may well be guilty but why did she wait so long. Must of used all the money she got Epstein" She's after more than money and your thoughts seem devoid of empathy for her abuse. | |||
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"That woman is only after money. Andrew may well be guilty but why did she wait so long. Must of used all the money she got Epstein" How much money should she be happy with after her encounter? What price for her mental health? | |||
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"Guilty, years of association with a peado and his sex trafficking sidekick...of course he was involved. There is too much evidence, damming photographs, that pathetic interview. Guilty as accused. Feel free to PM me some of the evidence you've seen, I'd like to look into this. Thanks. Winston Use Google and do the work yourself. " The registered evidence is all posted and listed online, that's unusual for a court case. Winston | |||
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"Be interesting to see how Virginia plays this now. Will she push ahead with the court case or settle privately which would be rather telling. Would show that he is guilty and that she was really in it for the money rather than exposing the truth." Another accusation of her money grabbung. That is more telling in my eyes. | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ?" Private settlements aren't unusual. Often to avoid drawn our proceedings where everything gets drawn through the mud. In this case, not sure there's anywhere for mud to stick to, its already plastered everywhere. Add in the court of public opinion already has him hung drawn and quartered, might be more "comfortable" to wrap it up quick and ope today's news becomes tomorrow's chip wrapper. Winston | |||
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"The whole issue should be kept under wraps till the outcome, no side should be able to start leaking who they might be calling.. Most of which is only about setting a narrative to garner support or shame the victim.." All of this. ^ Winston | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ?" You mean like Michael Jackson. All his supporters swear blind he wasn’t a peado but paid out numerous times to save going to court. | |||
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"Interesting that Beatrice says she has no recollection of going to Woking Pizza Express" I don’t think anyone has ever come forward to say they saw him there, have they? Sorry if I’m mistaken on that. That’s…..surprising. He went to stay with Epstein after he was convicted of sexual abuse charges. That’s a huge red flag. The fact Guiffre was smiling in that photo is irrelevant. There are many possible reasons - naivety about what was to come, nerves, excitement fear, a desire to not offend very powerful people etc. | |||
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"That woman is only after money. Andrew may well be guilty but why did she wait so long. Must of used all the money she got Epstein How much money should she be happy with after her encounter? What price for her mental health? " I don’t think it is about the money. I have two daughters and if this happened to my two I would hope to have my day in court to prove the rich, famous and elite in society are not above the law. I have had a life changing experience in 2020 which affected my mental health so much that I would not have accepted any amount of money to go through it. If that makes sense. | |||
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"About the court case or his title? Court case - I don't believe everything I see or hear in the news. Often biased reported and parts of stories twisted to follow a different narrative. I'm keeping an open mind. Title - it's about time they slimmed down the monarchy." | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ? Private settlements aren't unusual. Often to avoid drawn our proceedings where everything gets drawn through the mud. In this case, not sure there's anywhere for mud to stick to, its already plastered everywhere. Add in the court of public opinion already has him hung drawn and quartered, might be more "comfortable" to wrap it up quick and ope today's news becomes tomorrow's chip wrapper. Winston " No let's air it in public, for too long the Royal Family have had stuff brushed under the carpet. You realise what he's being trialed for really is one of the lowest of the low. | |||
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"Interesting that Beatrice says she has no recollection of going to Woking Pizza Express I don’t think anyone has ever come forward to say they saw him there, have they? Sorry if I’m mistaken on that. That’s…..surprising. " It must have said in the Royal Diary the name of the friend who's party it was. She or her parents or the other guests would have noticed Andrew being there. | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant " You sure of that ? | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ?" 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one | |||
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"lying about things does not help, she was over the age of consent in this country & does not look unhappy in the photo, if he was honest about what happened I would have more sympathy," He could have admitted it all along and said she was overage and had consented | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one " Guilty of what ? | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ?" Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls | |||
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"I was thinking of getting one once! Oh fook that's Albert "  | |||
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"I'm with you granny. People everywhere are so quick to judge from the snippets of headlines they've read or the FB/IG tiles of words they've seen, certain words jump out at them and they create their own narrative." Agreed. When I watched the Emily Maitliss interview I cringed. I believe he could so easily think it all a 'jolly jape' due to the blindfold of privilege and inbred stupidity but I await the verdict. It's seems he's done for - the damage done - untouchable. | |||
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"That woman is only after money. Andrew may well be guilty but why did she wait so long. Must of used all the money she got Epstein How much money should she be happy with after her encounter? What price for her mental health? I don’t think it is about the money. I have two daughters and if this happened to my two I would hope to have my day in court to prove the rich, famous and elite in society are not above the law. I have had a life changing experience in 2020 which affected my mental health so much that I would not have accepted any amount of money to go through it. If that makes sense. " Makes sense to me. Hope you are ok.  | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ? Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls " Lot's of women here claim to be 18 and I guess it's just accepted that they are by the people they meet. What would you say to someone of sayyyyy 35 or 36 who looks for 18 years olds. How can they tell they are not a couple of months younger ? If that happened and the 35/36 year old found out she was 17 and 10 months.... does that make HIM the dirty rat ? What's legal isn't always moral or without it's own sleazy undertones. | |||
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"I'm with you granny. People everywhere are so quick to judge from the snippets of headlines they've read or the FB/IG tiles of words they've seen, certain words jump out at them and they create their own narrative. Agreed. When I watched the Emily Maitliss interview I cringed. I believe he could so easily think it all a 'jolly jape' due to the blindfold of privilege and inbred stupidity but I await the verdict. It's seems he's done for - the damage done - untouchable." I understand why people jump to conclusions. It's hard-hitting, emotional and somewhat traumatic to people. But with everything. I believe people should take a step back, evaluate with a level and unbiased head and go from there. It also depends which shoes you've witnessed more of. These sorts of allegations rip families apart for peoples personal gains. (not saying that's what is happening here, but what I'm saying is it does happen). I worry more for our son than our daughter growing up in this world knowing that if he upsets the wrong person they could embroil him in much more. | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ? Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls Lot's of women here claim to be 18 and I guess it's just accepted that they are by the people they meet. What would you say to someone of sayyyyy 35 or 36 who looks for 18 years olds. How can they tell they are not a couple of months younger ? If that happened and the 35/36 year old found out she was 17 and 10 months.... does that make HIM the dirty rat ? What's legal isn't always moral or without it's own sleazy undertones." So you are saying its OK? I get what you are saying but take into consideration the people he was going around with and he knew what they was doing, He knew and he's been found out, the only good thing is that the other dirty fucker is dead and he can't grass him up | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ? Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls Lot's of women here claim to be 18 and I guess it's just accepted that they are by the people they meet. What would you say to someone of sayyyyy 35 or 36 who looks for 18 years olds. How can they tell they are not a couple of months younger ? If that happened and the 35/36 year old found out she was 17 and 10 months.... does that make HIM the dirty rat ? What's legal isn't always moral or without it's own sleazy undertones. So you are saying its OK? I get what you are saying but take into consideration the people he was going around with and he knew what they was doing, He knew and he's been found out, the only good thing is that the other dirty fucker is dead and he can't grass him up "  Thanks | |||
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"I get she was underage under American law..... She met him in London .... so does American law still apply in London ?" Personally, I don't understand any of it, she looked really happy to be there in all the pics that have been shown of her with Andrew, she says she had sex with Andrew 3 times plus many times with others, she travelled to London, Manhattan and also the Virgin islands of her own free will knowing it was for sex and also said she was not "chained to the sink" (her words) so she could have said no or not have got on the plane to go to these parties. so frankly, is it Andrew and co who are fully at fault here or did she allow some of it to happen?? This is only an observation and a question, I in no way condone any form of sexual exploitation of anyone.... just a question. | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ? Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls Lot's of women here claim to be 18 and I guess it's just accepted that they are by the people they meet. What would you say to someone of sayyyyy 35 or 36 who looks for 18 years olds. How can they tell they are not a couple of months younger ? If that happened and the 35/36 year old found out she was 17 and 10 months.... does that make HIM the dirty rat ? What's legal isn't always moral or without it's own sleazy undertones. So you are saying its OK? I get what you are saying but take into consideration the people he was going around with and he knew what they was doing, He knew and he's been found out, the only good thing is that the other dirty fucker is dead and he can't grass him up " When Ms Maxwell gets sentenced, time will tell if she has anything to say regarding Andrew. After all what has she to lose? | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ? Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls Lot's of women here claim to be 18 and I guess it's just accepted that they are by the people they meet. What would you say to someone of sayyyyy 35 or 36 who looks for 18 years olds. How can they tell they are not a couple of months younger ? If that happened and the 35/36 year old found out she was 17 and 10 months.... does that make HIM the dirty rat ? What's legal isn't always moral or without it's own sleazy undertones. So you are saying its OK? I get what you are saying but take into consideration the people he was going around with and he knew what they was doing, He knew and he's been found out, the only good thing is that the other dirty fucker is dead and he can't grass him up When Ms Maxwell gets sentenced, time will tell if she has anything to say regarding Andrew. After all what has she to lose? " Very true | |||
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"Trial by media - he's guilty... & I hope he is, because if he's innocent, how can prove it?!... I mean really - what evidence would satisfy the court of public opinion. He will always be tainted by this either way (there's no smoke without fire & all that) & in general, I'm conflicted as to whether naming the accused is right or just & allows for a fair trial. "  | |||
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"I'll let courts and judges decide peoples guilt "And of course anyone a jury decides is guilty is actually guilty. And every person a judge sentences to prison is not innocent. I won’t suggest prisons are bursting with innocent people, or that the streets are teeming with the guilty who got off, but the legal system isn’t perfect by any means. | |||
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"Guilty of what exactly ? Please don't start spouting words like 'pedo' and 'abuse' or 'underage' unless you can explain to me ( who stopped reading / listening about this some months ago ) exactly what he is guilty of. Do us all a favour and don't direct any comments toward me apart from answering my question if you can. Some ding bat will always arrive with pathetic responses such as ...... Oo Granny so you think it's okay do you? You a royalist then ? ....... Don't be that wanker. " I've said it before.... There may well be an investigation under way, however... Not arrested. No charges made. No court date set. No jury sworn in. No evidence offered or challenged. Ne verdict been reached. No acquittal or conviction. Unless you count the court of public opinion and hang him high. It's frankly ridiculous. And funny in a graveyard humour kind of way, the amount of people saying he's guilty based on salacious newspaper headlines, at the same time telling us not to believe everything we read about xyz in the papers. Two pence spent. Winston | |||
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"I think he is innocent. He was lobbying for British trade and Epstein made his acquaintance. I’ve never warmed to him but give him a fair trial ffs. It’s a bad business but then again Jimmy Savile wormed his way into Princess Diana’s affairs. I don’t see Charley Boy scrutinised." Charley wanted to be Camillas tampon. Say no more... | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ?" The lawsuit is in America, thats what they do. Completely different system to ours, 98% of these cases are settled outta court and the Americans unlike us, don't apportion any guilt with it, they accept it as the way things are done. It's been said Michael Jackson settled £150 million outta court, during his career. | |||
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"I get she was underage under American law..... She met him in London .... so does American law still apply in London ? Personally, I don't understand any of it, she looked really happy to be there in all the pics that have been shown of her with Andrew, she says she had sex with Andrew 3 times plus many times with others, she travelled to London, Manhattan and also the Virgin islands of her own free will knowing it was for sex and also said she was not "chained to the sink" (her words) so she could have said no or not have got on the plane to go to these parties. so frankly, is it Andrew and co who are fully at fault here or did she allow some of it to happen?? This is only an observation and a question, I in no way condone any form of sexual exploitation of anyone.... just a question." Someone doesn’t understand how pervasive grooming is! | |||
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"Guilty of what exactly ? Please don't start spouting words like 'pedo' and 'abuse' or 'underage' unless you can explain to me ( who stopped reading / listening about this some months ago ) exactly what he is guilty of. Do us all a favour and don't direct any comments toward me apart from answering my question if you can. Some ding bat will always arrive with pathetic responses such as ...... Oo Granny so you think it's okay do you? You a royalist then ? ....... Don't be that wanker. I've said it before.... There may well be an investigation under way, however... Not arrested. No charges made. No court date set. No jury sworn in. No evidence offered or challenged. Ne verdict been reached. No acquittal or conviction. Unless you count the court of public opinion and hang him high. It's frankly ridiculous. And funny in a graveyard humour kind of way, the amount of people saying he's guilty based on salacious newspaper headlines, at the same time telling us not to believe everything we read about xyz in the papers. Two pence spent. Winston " Who do you think you are spouting sense , fairness, justice instead of bile? You sure your a member here ?  | |||
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"Guilty of what exactly ? Please don't start spouting words like 'pedo' and 'abuse' or 'underage' unless you can explain to me ( who stopped reading / listening about this some months ago ) exactly what he is guilty of. Do us all a favour and don't direct any comments toward me apart from answering my question if you can. Some ding bat will always arrive with pathetic responses such as ...... Oo Granny so you think it's okay do you? You a royalist then ? ....... Don't be that wanker. I've said it before.... There may well be an investigation under way, however... Not arrested. No charges made. No court date set. No jury sworn in. No evidence offered or challenged. Ne verdict been reached. No acquittal or conviction. Unless you count the court of public opinion and hang him high. It's frankly ridiculous. And funny in a graveyard humour kind of way, the amount of people saying he's guilty based on salacious newspaper headlines, at the same time telling us not to believe everything we read about xyz in the papers. Two pence spent. Winston Who do you think you are spouting sense , fairness, justice instead of bile? You sure your a member here ? "My apologies. I'll give myself a good talking to.
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"I think he is innocent. He was lobbying for British trade and Epstein made his acquaintance. I’ve never warmed to him but give him a fair trial ffs. It’s a bad business but then again Jimmy Savile wormed his way into Princess Diana’s affairs. I don’t see Charley Boy scrutinised. Charley wanted to be Camillas tampon. Say no more..." Odd but not criminal! | |||
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"I get she was underage under American law..... She met him in London .... so does American law still apply in London ? Personally, I don't understand any of it, she looked really happy to be there in all the pics that have been shown of her with Andrew, she says she had sex with Andrew 3 times plus many times with others, she travelled to London, Manhattan and also the Virgin islands of her own free will knowing it was for sex and also said she was not "chained to the sink" (her words) so she could have said no or not have got on the plane to go to these parties. so frankly, is it Andrew and co who are fully at fault here or did she allow some of it to happen?? This is only an observation and a question, I in no way condone any form of sexual exploitation of anyone.... just a question. Someone doesn’t understand how pervasive grooming is! " Did ANDREW do any grooming ...... ?? If I have sex with a 17 year old today cos someone else groomed him to 'fuck old women' for reward.... Did I groom ? or did I have sex that is not unlawful ? True I may be a sleazebag who will say I was in Pizza Express but did I groom anyone ? And If I was unaware he'd been persuaded by those with more life experience to 'do me' ...... what exactly am I guilty of ? | |||
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"What’s your view on his current situation? " He’s fucked they are never going to let it go and she is only out for the payoff and has expensive lawyers to feed.
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one " Oh no doubt. Look how much money she could be getting! | |||
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The details will come out in the next few weeks as to what really went on, but the trial is going to be heavily influenced by external pressure.
Of course, Andrew's defense team will be looking at the Maxwell trial and it being a possible mistrial given new info about the Jurors.  | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ?" If he was innocent then it’s the only way to make her stop but that’s not going to happen. Yes she was young but I do think at the time she was living the high life flying around the world having a ball. It’s only later in life when we regret the things we might have done years before. Sorry but that’s how it looks from here and I know it’s going to ruffle a few feathers but life like that. Did he have sex with her ? Probably! Did he force her ? Don’t know | |||
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"This thread has been a right eye opener to the court of public opinion, jeeeez.
The details will come out in the next few weeks as to what really went on, but the trial is going to be heavily influenced by external pressure.
Of course, Andrew's defense team will be looking at the Maxwell trial and it being a possible mistrial given new info about the Jurors. "We will never know what 'really' went on. We will only know the outcome of the trial. | |||
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"This thread has been a right eye opener to the court of public opinion, jeeeez.
The details will come out in the next few weeks as to what really went on, but the trial is going to be heavily influenced by external pressure.
Of course, Andrew's defense team will be looking at the Maxwell trial and it being a possible mistrial given new info about the Jurors.
We will never know what 'really' went on.
We will only know the outcome of the trial. "I think they'll release the court documents once the trial has taken place. Maxwell court documents should be released fairly soon, as they werent sealed. | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ? If he was innocent then it’s the only way to make her stop but that’s not going to happen. Yes she was young but I do think at the time she was living the high life flying around the world having a ball. It’s only later in life when we regret the things we might have done years before. Sorry but that’s how it looks from here and I know it’s going to ruffle a few feathers but life like that. Did he have sex with her ? Probably! Did he force her ? Don’t know "Isn't the issue her being underage and/or sex trafficked rather than him forcing himself upon her? | |||
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"This thread has been a right eye opener to the court of public opinion, jeeeez.
The details will come out in the next few weeks as to what really went on, but the trial is going to be heavily influenced by external pressure.
Of course, Andrew's defense team will be looking at the Maxwell trial and it being a possible mistrial given new info about the Jurors.
We will never know what 'really' went on.
We will only know the outcome of the trial. "Exactly this. In life if you see something with your own eyes you can say for certain that something did or didn’t happen. If you didn’t see it then you will never ever be 100% certain it did or didn’t happen. | |||
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"I get she was underage under American law..... She met him in London .... so does American law still apply in London ? Personally, I don't understand any of it, she looked really happy to be there in all the pics that have been shown of her with Andrew, she says she had sex with Andrew 3 times plus many times with others, she travelled to London, Manhattan and also the Virgin islands of her own free will knowing it was for sex and also said she was not "chained to the sink" (her words) so she could have said no or not have got on the plane to go to these parties. so frankly, is it Andrew and co who are fully at fault here or did she allow some of it to happen?? This is only an observation and a question, I in no way condone any form of sexual exploitation of anyone.... just a question. Someone doesn’t understand how pervasive grooming is! Did ANDREW do any grooming ...... ?? If I have sex with a 17 year old today cos someone else groomed him to 'fuck old women' for reward.... Did I groom ? or did I have sex that is not unlawful ? True I may be a sleazebag who will say I was in Pizza Express but did I groom anyone ? And If I was unaware he'd been persuaded by those with more life experience to 'do me' ...... what exactly am I guilty of ?" Granny, GRANNY, GRANNY!!!! Come sit over here with the sensible kids.
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"I'll let courts and judges decide peoples guilt
And of course anyone a jury decides is guilty is actually guilty. And every person a judge sentences to prison is not innocent. I won’t suggest prisons are bursting with innocent people, or that the streets are teeming with the guilty who got off, but the legal system isn’t perfect by any means. "Im not saying its perfect but im sure they'll get to make a judgement on (evidence) not media headlines . | |||
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"I'll let courts and judges decide peoples guilt
And of course anyone a jury decides is guilty is actually guilty. And every person a judge sentences to prison is not innocent. I won’t suggest prisons are bursting with innocent people, or that the streets are teeming with the guilty who got off, but the legal system isn’t perfect by any means.
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"Also that interview was his biggest downfall it should never have been given. Whoever thought it was a good idea has to be some kind of twat!! "Perhaps it was his own idea. If he is surrounded by people who bow and agree with everything he says then why would he think anyone could possibly not believe him. | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ? If he was innocent then it’s the only way to make her stop but that’s not going to happen. Yes she was young but I do think at the time she was living the high life flying around the world having a ball. It’s only later in life when we regret the things we might have done years before. Sorry but that’s how it looks from here and I know it’s going to ruffle a few feathers but life like that. Did he have sex with her ? Probably! Did he force her ? Don’t know
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"Be interesting to see how Virginia plays this now. Will she push ahead with the court case or settle privately which would be rather telling. Would show that he is guilty and that she was really in it for the money rather than exposing the truth." She's a slut! She's a nut! She wants our fucking yacht money! | |||
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"Reckon his legal team are just milking him for all he has now" I've resisted a 'milking' joke opportunity ..... | |||
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"Also that interview was his biggest downfall it should never have been given. Whoever thought it was a good idea has to be some kind of twat!!
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"Yes I think things are stacking up against him. He won’t survive prison either. He won’t go to prison, it’s a civil case so seeking compensation " Plus it's an American case, so I'm guessing he just won't go over there and so any ruling will have no effect beyond shaming him further. | |||
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"I’ve met him a couple of times he’s very creepy " To be honest he does come across as quite arrogant in looks | |||
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"Also that interview was his biggest downfall it should never have been given. Whoever thought it was a good idea has to be some kind of twat!!
Perhaps it was his own idea. If he is surrounded by people who bow and agree with everything he says then why would he think anyone could possibly not believe him.
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"Interesting that Beatrice says she has no recollection of going to Woking Pizza Express I don’t think anyone has ever come forward to say they saw him there, have they? Sorry if I’m mistaken on that. That’s…..surprising. He went to stay with Epstein after he was convicted of sexual abuse charges. That’s a huge red flag. The fact Guiffre was smiling in that photo is irrelevant. There are many possible reasons - naivety about what was to come, nerves, excitement fear, a desire to not offend very powerful people etc." Or she had been given something as is often the case in these situations. Drugs, booze? Who knows. | |||
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"After listening to an interview with an ex royal protection officer, he's a nasty horrible self centered piece of work who's hopefully going to get what's coming to him. " Are those royal protection officers sworn to total secrecy? If he has done something illegal surely as police officers they need to uphold the law. | |||
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"The guy need locking up, anyone els it's guilty till proven instant You sure of that ? 100% He knows he's guilty look who he was going about with, you're telling me he's never done it and I bet alot more girls come forward after this one Guilty of what ? Being a dirty rat who likes underage girls Lot's of women here claim to be 18 and I guess it's just accepted that they are by the people they meet. What would you say to someone of sayyyyy 35 or 36 who looks for 18 years olds. How can they tell they are not a couple of months younger ? If that happened and the 35/36 year old found out she was 17 and 10 months.... does that make HIM the dirty rat ? What's legal isn't always moral or without it's own sleazy undertones. So you are saying its OK? I get what you are saying but take into consideration the people he was going around with and he knew what they was doing, He knew and he's been found out, the only good thing is that the other dirty fucker is dead and he can't grass him up " This is exactly why Epstein "committed suicide". | |||
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"I have read some news feed articles. From them it seems Virginia Giuffre. Has so far only taken / settled court action with Epstein. Now Prince Andrew taking to court . Yet from yes news articles , she has said a lot about having sex with others. Rich , famous men ? Why is she not naming them also to get as she says justice for what has happened to her . " Maybe they were not thick enough to have a photo taken with her or took her out to a club ? After all it’s all hinges on that photo and her testimony not too much else | |||
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" After all it’s all hinges on that photo and her testimony not too much else "There are also the flight logs and statements from staff on the island. | |||
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"I’ve met him a couple of times he’s very creepy " If ever there was a post that needed context.....
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"I’ve met him a couple of times he’s very creepy If ever there was a post that needed context.....
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"I’ve met him a couple of times he’s very creepy If ever there was a post that needed context.....
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Bumped into him once at a charity event, he was surprisingly down to earth and VERY funny"I met him quite a few times, many years ago. The Prince I met then seems very different from the Prince I'm seeing today. My experience of meeting him was the same as yours, down to earth and could take a joke. I even got away with a bro punch on the shoulder.
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"So much anger and hatred for a situation hardly anybody actually knows what happened. It must be exhausting carrying that around. " | |||
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"After listening to an interview with an ex royal protection officer, he's a nasty horrible self centered piece of work who's hopefully going to get what's coming to him. Are those royal protection officers sworn to total secrecy? If he has done something illegal surely as police officers they need to uphold the law. " I don't think they do from what I listened to, but the way he treats staff & his protection team was unbelievable. If they didn't jump when he told them to he'd threaten their careers & just treated everyone as though they were his servants. He'd have girls turning up at all times of the day and night & demanding they were brought up to his quarters & break every security protocol put in place to get what he wanted. If you search youtube for shaun attwood & Royal protection officer it should bring up the interview. | |||
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"What’s your view on his current situation? " Prince Andrew has been accused in a Civil Lawsuit. It is important to remember that filing a civil lawsuit in the US is not the same as telling the truth about something that actually happened. A lawsuit can be filed in the US under almost any circumstances and it is months and tens of thousands of dollars later before a Defendant can actually question the integrity of the claims made in the lawsuits. Most civil Lawsuits filed in the US would not even get past first base in the U.K. because of the evidence threshold that is needed to even file is so much higher in the U.K. Casting doubt on Prince Andrew simply because someone made in a complaint in a US Court demonstrates an ignorance of the imbalances of the US legal system. | |||
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"What’s your view on his current situation? " guilty by association chucked under a bus like Chris noth me I’ll wait for the evidence to come out before I’ll make my mind up on both of them | |||
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"I get she was underage under American law..... She met him in London .... so does American law still apply in London ?" I wondered this to. But apparently one of the two other locations, the law was 18. So in that particular location she was underage. The other two are down to the laws there. So would only take in to account if he actively looked for or knowingly slept with someone via use of human trafficking, I would imagine? | |||
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"The Andrew formerly known as Prince And now known as Nonce " have I missed something when was he found guilty? | |||
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"The Andrew formerly known as Prince And now known as Nonce have I missed something when was he found guilty?" just being best pals with Epstein qualifies for me .. have a good day pal | |||
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"The Andrew formerly known as Prince And now known as Nonce have I missed something when was he found guilty? just being best pals with Epstein qualifies for me .. have a good day pal "well we will see | |||
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"The Andrew formerly known as Prince And now known as Nonce have I missed something when was he found guilty? just being best pals with Epstein qualifies for me .. have a good day pal well we will see "You his mate too ? | |||
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"The Andrew formerly known as Prince And now known as Nonce have I missed something when was he found guilty? just being best pals with Epstein qualifies for me .. have a good day pal well we will see
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"The bit I can't figure out about the whole Prince Andrew drama is how he, in his position with the privileges of being connected to those technically at the head of state in this country, doesn't have the same get out of jail free card that the woman who killed Harry Dunn had to be able to tell those in Great Britain that they could go piss and play with the steam for all she cared, but yet Andrew can't seem to tell Binden, and all his Mick Mc Paddywack side kicks to go and play with their leprechaun's" Andrew is not a diplomat in the United States. If he were, he would have diplomatic immunity like the woman who killed Harry Dunn. | |||
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"The Andrew formerly known as Prince And now known as Nonce " Still randy Andy but soon to be big bobs toy | |||
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"What’s your view on his current situation? " As with everything; innocent until proven guilty. Even then it is sketchy. | |||
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"The bit I can't figure out about the whole Prince Andrew drama is how he, in his position with the privileges of being connected to those technically at the head of state in this country, doesn't have the same get out of jail free card that the woman who killed Harry Dunn had to be able to tell those in Great Britain that they could go piss and play with the steam for all she cared, but yet Andrew can't seem to tell Binden, and all his Mick Mc Paddywack side kicks to go and play with their leprechaun's Andrew is not a diplomat in the United States. If he were, he would have diplomatic immunity like the woman who killed Harry Dunn." Which is a shame because he could have given the yanks a taste of their own medicine. Shame his mum hasn't actually got the clout to say to them, "Get the hell out of here with your stars and stripes between your legs." | |||
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"The bit I can't figure out about the whole Prince Andrew drama is how he, in his position with the privileges of being connected to those technically at the head of state in this country, doesn't have the same get out of jail free card that the woman who killed Harry Dunn had to be able to tell those in Great Britain that they could go piss and play with the steam for all she cared, but yet Andrew can't seem to tell Binden, and all his Mick Mc Paddywack side kicks to go and play with their leprechaun's Andrew is not a diplomat in the United States. If he were, he would have diplomatic immunity like the woman who killed Harry Dunn. Which is a shame because he could have given the yanks a taste of their own medicine. Shame his mum hasn't actually got the clout to say to them, "Get the hell out of here with your stars and stripes between your legs." " Err... The Americans quite literally had a war about that. They're allowed to uphold their rules, and diplomatic immunity is enjoyed by diplomats and their families in most countries. For sensible reasons, in the main. | |||
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"The bit I can't figure out about the whole Prince Andrew drama is how he, in his position with the privileges of being connected to those technically at the head of state in this country, doesn't have the same get out of jail free card that the woman who killed Harry Dunn had to be able to tell those in Great Britain that they could go piss and play with the steam for all she cared, but yet Andrew can't seem to tell Binden, and all his Mick Mc Paddywack side kicks to go and play with their leprechaun's Andrew is not a diplomat in the United States. If he were, he would have diplomatic immunity like the woman who killed Harry Dunn. Which is a shame because he could have given the yanks a taste of their own medicine. Shame his mum hasn't actually got the clout to say to them, "Get the hell out of here with your stars and stripes between your legs." " Perhaps his mum, being a woman, is disgusted with what he was doing. Perhaps his mum thinks that he should bloody well pay the price for what he was doing. Perhaps his mum knows better than the rest of us what he was doing, and is sickened to her stomach that a child of hers was doing that. Perhaps his mum believes in the dignity of women, and truth, and law. And perhaps him mum wouldn't be throwing around racist insults either. | |||
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"What's racist about my opinion. " "Mick Mc Paddywack side kicks to go and play with their leprechaun's" If you can't see how that is racist, then there is something wrong with you. You've just managed to offend everyone on fab that has got any Irish ancestory, plus a good many that just generally hate the stink of racism. There is also somewhat of an eletist misogynistic vibe coming from a post that is calling for the son of the monarch to be given immunity from answering to charges of statutary r@pe just because the alleged offences took place in a different country. No doubt you also think that the UK should have declared war on Vietnam when Gary Glitter was arrested there for child sex offences. | |||
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"Why would Andrew settle privately if he is innocent ?" this! If you’re innocent, you fight!!! | |||
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" Use Google and do the work yourself. " That would be a great gambit in court. Now ladies and gentlemen of the jury I want you all to go and use Google. I rest my case for the prosecution My Lord | |||
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"I think that they should turn up the heating in court and wrap Andrew in a few warm layers. Just to see if his, "I can't sweat", claim holds." He agrees he can sweat now. It was in the night club all those years ago that he says he couldn't | |||
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"Lock the perv up.. hopefully Charlie will be next ( connections to sicko saville) no time for the sponging royals (except the wonderful lady Diana RIP) " If people on FAB were locked up for knowing of ... a dodgy sexual person ..... we'd all be online inside. What connections exactly ? Quite a lot of the time I find some of the comments on these threads to be libellous. | |||
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