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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? |
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? "
Did you read it on Facebook? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
Did you read it on Facebook?"
No. I read the news on reuters. |
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My friend works alongside this kinda stuff
No one’s looking at your bank details
If they are it’s because they should be
No one just has access to everyone’s bank details. There’s a method to this. You need reason, evidence, research. You can’t just click on a person and see what they’re doing |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters."
And on there it was on the express's site.
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday |
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They don't have your login details. There are rules. They can look a reasonable amount. And frankly any company or person can check your Facebook page if you don't have your privacy settings on. It's just that the DWP and other institutions can use it to see if you've posted that you've got a new job and where you might be working. It's a very useful tool. |
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They dont have your password however they do monitor fraud cases. An example would be a claim for a bad back and the claimant then posts on a social media site a film of said person participating in a sport. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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This "story" has been reported across numerous media news sites in the past month, but it only relates to specific people.
The DWP were stating they'd be monitoring bank account activity of clients receiving Universal Credit, Job Seekers Allowance & other Government Benefits.
It is an exercise to check if claimants have additional sources of income that weren't being declared or had reasonable legitimate proof of receipt, especially at Christmas, which can be an expensive time of year!
They have bank account details already, since they already pay benefits into them!
In short, if you are following Benefits rules and not deceiving the DWP, you've nothing to worry about.
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"This "story" has been reported across numerous media news sites in the past month, but it only relates to specific people.
The DWP were stating they'd be monitoring bank account activity of clients receiving Universal Credit, Job Seekers Allowance & other Government Benefits.
It is an exercise to check if claimants have additional sources of income that weren't being declared or had reasonable legitimate proof of receipt, especially at Christmas, which can be an expensive time of year!
They have bank account details already, since they already pay benefits into them!
In short, if you are following Benefits rules and not deceiving the DWP, you've nothing to worry about.
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Seems fair enough then, good on em |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters.And on there it was on the express's site.
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This "story" has been reported across numerous media news sites in the past month, but it only relates to specific people.
The DWP were stating they'd be monitoring bank account activity of clients receiving Universal Credit, Job Seekers Allowance & other Government Benefits.
It is an exercise to check if claimants have additional sources of income that weren't being declared or had reasonable legitimate proof of receipt, especially at Christmas, which can be an expensive time of year!
They have bank account details already, since they already pay benefits into them!
In short, if you are following Benefits rules and not deceiving the DWP, you've nothing to worry about.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Banks have access to a lot of information on customers that not many people realise we do.
You do agree for us to have it though when you open bank accounts or take out products, it's all in the terms and conditions.
For people that have them even your National Insurance Numbers holds certain information which a bank has access too and the DWP departments and other places.
But like others have said, we don't sit there all day having a browse through people's accounts, you need a reason to be doing so.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm pretty certain they cannot just freely access bank details or social media without legitimate reason.
Otherwise it's a flat out breach of your rights to privacy.  "
Your bank itself sends information to the Revenue/DWP every year!
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By (user no longer on site)
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They have rules to follow the same as anyone else, they cannot just log in to someone's bank account randomly. There has to be reasons. When you claim benefits, you have to provide proof of all your accounts and how much is in them.
I claimed tax credits when I first become a single parent. I had to prove what I earned and what I had at the time. If my wages changed one month for whatever reason, I had to tell them and show them my payslips. When they do get access it's for suspected fraud cases because some people like to screw the system. If they had the kind of access the op is claiming, there wouldn't be any benefit fraud because they would catch it straight away. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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I meant to add in my earlier post, that the DWP monitor Social Media as often people can post messages, pictures and other information without thinking of any consequences!
It has been known for people who are on Benefits or receiving other Govt financial assistance, boasting on FB about their forthcoming foreign holiday, or one they'd just returned from.
Or the Benefits Cheats who claim Invalidity Benefits etc who stupidly post pics on FB or other sites, showing them dancing, partying, on holiday etc when supposedly they're in acute pain, can't walk ten steps before stopping in agony!
That's where the monitoring of Social Media comes in to check for Benefits Fraud.
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"My friend works alongside this kinda stuff
No one’s looking at your bank details
If they are it’s because they should be
No one just has access to everyone’s bank details. There’s a method to this. You need reason, evidence, research. You can’t just click on a person and see what they’re doing "
My ex wife worked as a tax inspector, she told me once that if she so much at glances at my file without any legitimate reason she would be dismissed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. "
 Tracey is living her best life |
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"I'm pretty certain they cannot just freely access bank details or social media without legitimate reason.
Otherwise it's a flat out breach of your rights to privacy.
Your bank itself sends information to the Revenue/DWP every year!
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That’s slightly different though, it’s legitimate interest, whereas OP specifically mentions monitoring people on UC or other government benefits. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits.
Tracey is living her best life "
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By *mmMandyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about "
I believe we all have a little tarnish on our halos,
Would you really declare that your nan left you a chunk in her will, or you sold your car and now have above the max allowable savings? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I meant to add in my earlier post, that the DWP monitor Social Media as often people can post messages, pictures and other information without thinking of any consequences!
It has been known for people who are on Benefits or receiving other Govt financial assistance, boasting on FB about their forthcoming foreign holiday, or one they'd just returned from.
Or the Benefits Cheats who claim Invalidity Benefits etc who stupidly post pics on FB or other sites, showing them dancing, partying, on holiday etc when supposedly they're in acute pain, can't walk ten steps before stopping in agony!
That's where the monitoring of Social Media comes in to check for Benefits Fraud.
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So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? "
This is BS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I meant to add in my earlier post, that the DWP monitor Social Media as often people can post messages, pictures and other information without thinking of any consequences!
It has been known for people who are on Benefits or receiving other Govt financial assistance, boasting on FB about their forthcoming foreign holiday, or one they'd just returned from.
Or the Benefits Cheats who claim Invalidity Benefits etc who stupidly post pics on FB or other sites, showing them dancing, partying, on holiday etc when supposedly they're in acute pain, can't walk ten steps before stopping in agony!
That's where the monitoring of Social Media comes in to check for Benefits Fraud.
So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?"
They can but is the ones pleading poverty then spending £10k on holiday they clamp down on or the ones claiming PIP then going on ski holidays yet can't walk to the car when assessed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about
I believe we all have a little tarnish on our halos,
Would you really declare that your nan left you a chunk in her will, or you sold your car and now have above the max allowable savings?"
Yes. My mum died in 2018, each sibling (6) got over 20k, each grandchild got 1k - yes I declared it, I don’t work due to disability & lack of skills, I bought a car outright, to not declare something like that amount is fraud. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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This is pretty old news. Years ago legislation was discussed/passed that allowed government departments to be more integrated. It allowed them to either access or be more homogenous - as other have said to reduce fraud.
Given people fraudulently claimed millions in bounce back loans with apparent ease, you wonder how well it works, as the money seems unrecoverable, routed out of the country.
From what I remember there were 26 departments that could access information, it was part of the move toward Big Data sharing, where Banks were encouraged to give consumers greater knowledge over spending habits.
It allowed sharing between groups such as the Police, Border Control, Work and Pensions, Banks, Transport, Judiciary etc. Your NI number basically links all activity if needed.
This is an editorial from 2017 I couldn't find the original that listed all the departments.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/16/the-guardian-view-on-data-sharing-the-privacy-of-citizens-is-being-eroded |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? "
Wifey used to work in fraud, and nobody can look at your bank stuff without a court order; and social media is public only, or the same applies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My ex wife worked as a tax inspector, she told me once that if she so much at glances at my file without any legitimate reason she would be dismissed."
Not changed- one of the 'unforgivable' crimes in DWP/Police etc. |
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Banks are already asked to monitor their clients' activity under various KYC and AML regulations. DWP will likely give them a new set of parameters to monitor for and alert DWP if the activity on the bank account matches those parameters. HMRC are toying with a similar idea under the name of Tax-Compliant Bank Accounts that would be monitored by HMRC and would give them powers to extract tax from your bank account automatically. Initially they want to do it for small businesses, but I'm guessing they'd like to do for ordinary people in the end. |
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?"
On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP. |
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My ex wife worked as a tax inspector, she told me once that if she so much at glances at my file without any legitimate reason she would be dismissed.
Not changed- one of the 'unforgivable' crimes in DWP/Police etc."
And banking. When I worked in London we had a lot of celebrities bank with us. No way could we look at their accounts without reason. |
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about
I believe we all have a little tarnish on our halos,
Would you really declare that your nan left you a chunk in her will, or you sold your car and now have above the max allowable savings?"
Well considering I have neither easy to say yes.
The one thing I was taught was never mess with the tax man or else it will bite back down the line. |
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"… but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? "
The world can see what you post on social media, subject to your privacy settings, without any special powers being required. That’s nothing sinister, and wether or not that lands you in hot water is limited only by your own stupidity.
Further levels of access to your personal financial information would require a) reasonable suspicion and b) a court order. An exception may be HMRC who have more powers than any other state office.
But if you were doing financial things you shouldn’t be doing and so use cash exclusively, beware. Don’t leave a paper trail. An individual was prosecuted where the key evidence that there actual income was more than their declared income was their tesco clubcard account, which showed spending well in excess of their alleged income. When prosecuting for fraud, every little helps! |
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?
On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP."
That’s not entirely true. On JSA you can go on holiday/ leave the country but you have to tell your work advisor where you’re going & how long you’ll be away for. If a job opportunity comes up they will expect you to cut your holiday short & return to either attend the interview or start the job. I was on JSA, though only looking for part time, & that’s what I was told. |
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?
On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP.
That’s not entirely true. On JSA you can go on holiday/ leave the country but you have to tell your work advisor where you’re going & how long you’ll be away for. If a job opportunity comes up they will expect you to cut your holiday short & return to either attend the interview or start the job. I was on JSA, though only looking for part time, & that’s what I was told. "
A long time ago (fortunately) when I was, I was told the opposite to you… leave the country and your signing off! |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"… but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
The world can see what you post on social media, subject to your privacy settings, without any special powers being required. That’s nothing sinister, and wether or not that lands you in hot water is limited only by your own stupidity.
Further levels of access to your personal financial information would require a) reasonable suspicion and b) a court order. An exception may be HMRC who have more powers than any other state office.
But if you were doing financial things you shouldn’t be doing and so use cash exclusively, beware. Don’t leave a paper trail. An individual was prosecuted where the key evidence that there actual income was more than their declared income was their tesco clubcard account, which showed spending well in excess of their alleged income. When prosecuting for fraud, every little helps!"
You are right there, as it depends what setting one have on the social media. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So people on benefits aren’t allowed a holiday? They can’t save up?
On JSA, no. While claiming JSA you agree to be available for work 24/7. If, for example, you were to leave the country for a period of time and so you were not deemed “available for work” then no payment for you. If you manage to get away between sign on dates then while you may “get away with it”, you’d still be defrauding the DWP."
That is not true. You can take a 2 week holiday in any 6 month period. |
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By *mmMandyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? "
I was disturbed by this and have enquired of an informed source
You would need to come to their attention for some other reason first.
They must be able to justify any such search / enquiry in court, (which are authorised at regional level, not locally) and safeguards are in place under various acts which could make this problematic for them.
In other words, they can, but they don’t in any but the most outrageous and flagrant cases of abuse of the benefit system
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By (user no longer on site)
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They certainly can access/monitor your social media accounts, a person has had to go to a tribunal, as when they were awarded certain benefits. Decided to post their celebrations and what not on a certain social media site/app for the DWP to then tell claimant they are not entitled to before mentioned benefits, and the person is now awaiting tribunal date. |
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
I was disturbed by this and have enquired of an informed source
You would need to come to their attention for some other reason first.
They must be able to justify any such search / enquiry in court, (which are authorised at regional level, not locally) and safeguards are in place under various acts which could make this problematic for them.
In other words, they can, but they don’t in any but the most outrageous and flagrant cases of abuse of the benefit system
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This is correct.
When she was Home Sec' Theresa May tried it introduce legislation that would've made this type of activity much easier, it bombed because even her own party couldn't support it. |
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Hello, I work closely with Universal Credit which is one element of DWP.
Its true, and has been for a long time that Social Media activity has been monitored for UC claiments who say for example they are the only adult occupant in a household as opposed to living with a partner and then both adults are claiming the single persons allowance as opposed to a joint claim. They can extend this and look at a person's income and expenditure within a claiments bank account. They don't require log in details or passwords as bank accounts will be linked to a claim.
There has to be an element of suspicion in order to request a monitored file and that's achieved by the claiment suspected of giving false info, a tip off from a 3rd party or a change in circumstances that is undeclared by the claiments but is found out at a later stage.
What I can say is if you are claiming benefits legitimately, provide full and correct information and advise of any change in circumstances then there is no chance whatsoever of you being monitored. |
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about
If I'm doing nothing wrong, they've no right to look."
and they wouldn’t.
Example I quit work December 2019, the only benefit I claim is child benefit. 10 months later as I wasn’t earning, signed on, paying tax etc, they froze my CB as they thought I’d left the country. All it took was a quick phone call to explain some information and the benefit was reinstated. |
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with??
because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty"
Bit harsh lol. They may not get benefits. I don’t and no pension either yet so they wouldn’t have mine. |
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. "
it's probably more alo.g the lines of someone who is claiming sick then checking into the gym everyday
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it? "
Whilst I’m not thrilled about it - I’ve nothing to fear either.
I remember an outcry a few years ago when it was said that google/social media et al could track you via your phone wherever you are on earth.
All I thought was - that’ll be handy if I ever get totally lost or k**napped. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters.And on there it was on the express's site.
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday"
I must admit I smirk a bit when someone starts a thread saying something , lots of others tell him it must be from FB etc and then they turn up with the link 
As others have said Shag, they have had powers for a while for certain things and to be honest if you were getting investigated for fraud then it does make sense, but I doubt if they will have your log in details but could request statements.
You would be surprised how many people check SM to see a lifestyle though, lots of insurance companies do to track fraud, employers etc to see if they want to employ you |
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"And bank accounts. I was surprised to know it as I just read that they have the "power" and could watch your social media profiles and bank account activity, whilst yes I do understand that they do it to see if there is any fraud going on, but still, that means that they might have your login info too, what do you think about it?
Did you read it on Facebook?No. I read the news on reuters.And on there it was on the express's site.
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1543731/DWP-warning-benefit-fraud-bank-statements-social-media-check-UK-2022/amp?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday
I must admit I smirk a bit when someone starts a thread saying something , lots of others tell him it must be from FB etc and then they turn up with the link
As others have said Shag, they have had powers for a while for certain things and to be honest if you were getting investigated for fraud then it does make sense, but I doubt if they will have your log in details but could request statements.
You would be surprised how many people check SM to see a lifestyle though, lots of insurance companies do to track fraud, employers etc to see if they want to employ you "
It sounded like a Facebook viral post. I'm a plonker. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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To be fair half of what's going on in this country at the moment sounds like it should be a FB post so it is hard to believe a lot of it....but some things are easily looked into rather than post dismissive posts when someone starts a thread/posts  |
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By *tew008Man
over a year ago
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Yea they don’t have massive amounts of access yet, from what I’ve heard. However that snoopers charter will give them access to everything including your passwords. Since it allows them to decrypt data. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. "
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Yea they don’t have massive amounts of access yet, from what I’ve heard. However that snoopers charter will give them access to everything including your passwords. Since it allows them to decrypt data."
Yeah, if that happens I wouldn't be happy. It would bother me even if I didn't have something to hide |
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By *mmMandyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with??
because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty
Bit harsh lol. They may not get benefits. I don’t and no pension either yet so they wouldn’t have mine. "
Child benefits? tax credits? self assessment?, there's always a way in, even premium bonds! |
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Haha. But they can be right shits. I know someone who had a real fight over their disability allowance, and it’s really not hard to tell someone is disabled when they have terminal cancer and cannot walk. |
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"Erm. How do they know who I bank with??
because they pay your benefits into your bank account numpty
Bit harsh lol. They may not get benefits. I don’t and no pension either yet so they wouldn’t have mine.
Child benefits? tax credits? self assessment?, there's always a way in, even premium bonds! "
nope, none of the above .... sorry to disappoint |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can just imagine them sitting there on social media. Fuck me Tracey’s checked in at Sainsbury’s 3 times this week and been to the pub twice and a maccies! Reduce her benefits. "
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