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"Why was he given the health brief?
How long before we have the sort of political pronouncements that the American holier than thou right spout?"
Can't wait to read Polly Toynbee tomorrow (or Monday...)
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Hell hath no fury like the entire fertile female population scorned...... 
Wonder if dear ole Jezza will be 'spending more time with his family' any time soon...??? 
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I doubt it. Cameron knew Hunt's views when he gave him the health brief.
It must pose a real dilemma for them, though. Ensure women give birth to unwanted children on one belief system and then make life really miserable for them by ensuring there are no benefits/support systems on another set of beliefs. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Hell hath no fury like the entire fertile female population scorned......
Wonder if dear ole Jezza will be 'spending more time with his family' any time soon...???
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Unfortunately he is not the only one with these beliefs in the current government. The Tories have always voted for changing the limit on abortions to something earlier. As you say though, it looks like they've realised it won't be a popular policy and really, at the mo, they've got other thinsg to worry about. If they get in next time though I wouldn't be surprised if its in their manifesto somewhere.  |
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"Hell hath no fury like the entire fertile female population scorned......
Wonder if dear ole Jezza will be 'spending more time with his family' any time soon...???
I doubt it. Cameron knew Hunt's views when he gave him the health brief.
It must pose a real dilemma for them, though. Ensure women give birth to unwanted children on one belief system and then make life really miserable for them by ensuring there are no benefits/support systems on another set of beliefs."
What sticks in my craw as a bloke, is how ANY male thinks he has any right to pontificate to women about abortion at all - Minister of Health or otherwise! As for having an arbitrary time limit - the lower they try to make it, the more misery it will cause as far as I can see.
'There but for the grace of God'... and all that...?
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Hell hath no fury like the entire fertile female population scorned......
Wonder if dear ole Jezza will be 'spending more time with his family' any time soon...???
Unfortunately he is not the only one with these beliefs in the current government. The Tories have always voted for changing the limit on abortions to something earlier. As you say though, it looks like they've realised it won't be a popular policy and really, at the mo, they've got other thinsg to worry about. If they get in next time though I wouldn't be surprised if its in their manifesto somewhere. "
If Romney wins in the States it may well boost their confidence to press for this in a second term.
I think there is a lot of ambivalence about abortion at the moment. It is something I wrestle with. Abortion at 24 weeks is awful and you have to be in a very particular place to want to go through that. My son was born at 25 weeks, which colours my views, but I would not want the limit reduced to as low as 12 weeks. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Hell hath no fury like the entire fertile female population scorned......
Wonder if dear ole Jezza will be 'spending more time with his family' any time soon...???
I doubt it. Cameron knew Hunt's views when he gave him the health brief.
It must pose a real dilemma for them, though. Ensure women give birth to unwanted children on one belief system and then make life really miserable for them by ensuring there are no benefits/support systems on another set of beliefs.
What sticks in my craw as a bloke, is how ANY male thinks he has any right to pontificate to women about abortion at all - Minister of Health or otherwise! As for having an arbitrary time limit - the lower they try to make it, the more misery it will cause as far as I can see.
'There but for the grace of God'... and all that...?
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I think it is fair for men to have a view. They have been involved in the creation of a pregnancy (mostly). But, they have to then be prepared to follow through and raise that child and support the birth mother if they want to take an anti-abortion stand. Individually and collectively.
I'm happy to have the debate but it's ill thought out pronouncements that annoy me most. |
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"Hell hath no fury like the entire fertile female population scorned......
Wonder if dear ole Jezza will be 'spending more time with his family' any time soon...???
I doubt it. Cameron knew Hunt's views when he gave him the health brief.
It must pose a real dilemma for them, though. Ensure women give birth to unwanted children on one belief system and then make life really miserable for them by ensuring there are no benefits/support systems on another set of beliefs.
What sticks in my craw as a bloke, is how ANY male thinks he has any right to pontificate to women about abortion at all - Minister of Health or otherwise! As for having an arbitrary time limit - the lower they try to make it, the more misery it will cause as far as I can see.
'There but for the grace of God'... and all that...?
I think it is fair for men to have a view. They have been involved in the creation of a pregnancy (mostly). But, they have to then be prepared to follow through and raise that child and support the birth mother if they want to take an anti-abortion stand. Individually and collectively.
I'm happy to have the debate but it's ill thought out pronouncements that annoy me most."
Quite. And yes, men are entitled to a 'view' - but as far as I am concerned that is where it should end. It is, and will always be, the case that it will be the mother who will have to live with the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy or terminate - the guy can (and sadly too often does) walk away.
As for Mr Hunt..... wonder what his wife thinks....?
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"What sticks in my craw as a bloke, is how ANY male thinks he has any right to pontificate to women about abortion at all - Minister of Health or otherwise! As for having an arbitrary time limit - the lower they try to make it, the more misery it will cause as far as I can see.
'There but for the grace of God'... and all that...?
I think it is fair for men to have a view. They have been involved in the creation of a pregnancy (mostly). But, they have to then be prepared to follow through and raise that child and support the birth mother if they want to take an anti-abortion stand. Individually and collectively.
I'm happy to have the debate but it's ill thought out pronouncements that annoy me most.
Quite. And yes, men are entitled to a 'view' - but as far as I am concerned that is where it should end. It is, and will always be, the case that it will be the mother who will have to live with the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy or terminate - the guy can (and sadly too often does) walk away.
As for Mr Hunt..... wonder what his wife thinks....?
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I do know men who have spent years grieving for the pregnancies terminated by the women they were with. Unfortunately, most of them think it was an easy decision for the woman.
I am not saying it is not a simple decision for some but for most that I have spoken to it has been one of the hardest decisions of their lives and few relationships survive it. Again, my views are probably quite coloured by the reasons I was talking to these people. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"What sticks in my craw as a bloke, is how ANY male thinks he has any right to pontificate to women about abortion at all - Minister of Health or otherwise! As for having an arbitrary time limit - the lower they try to make it, the more misery it will cause as far as I can see.
'There but for the grace of God'... and all that...?
I think it is fair for men to have a view. They have been involved in the creation of a pregnancy (mostly). But, they have to then be prepared to follow through and raise that child and support the birth mother if they want to take an anti-abortion stand. Individually and collectively.
I'm happy to have the debate but it's ill thought out pronouncements that annoy me most.
Quite. And yes, men are entitled to a 'view' - but as far as I am concerned that is where it should end. It is, and will always be, the case that it will be the mother who will have to live with the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy or terminate - the guy can (and sadly too often does) walk away.
As for Mr Hunt..... wonder what his wife thinks....?
I do know men who have spent years grieving for the pregnancies terminated by the women they were with. Unfortunately, most of them think it was an easy decision for the woman.
I am not saying it is not a simple decision for some but for most that I have spoken to it has been one of the hardest decisions of their lives and few relationships survive it. Again, my views are probably quite coloured by the reasons I was talking to these people."
They are getting Theresa May to do all the talking! |
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"What sticks in my craw as a bloke, is how ANY male thinks he has any right to pontificate to women about abortion at all - Minister of Health or otherwise! As for having an arbitrary time limit - the lower they try to make it, the more misery it will cause as far as I can see.
'There but for the grace of God'... and all that...?
I think it is fair for men to have a view. They have been involved in the creation of a pregnancy (mostly). But, they have to then be prepared to follow through and raise that child and support the birth mother if they want to take an anti-abortion stand. Individually and collectively.
I'm happy to have the debate but it's ill thought out pronouncements that annoy me most.
Quite. And yes, men are entitled to a 'view' - but as far as I am concerned that is where it should end. It is, and will always be, the case that it will be the mother who will have to live with the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy or terminate - the guy can (and sadly too often does) walk away.
As for Mr Hunt..... wonder what his wife thinks....?
I do know men who have spent years grieving for the pregnancies terminated by the women they were with. Unfortunately, most of them think it was an easy decision for the woman.
I am not saying it is not a simple decision for some but for most that I have spoken to it has been one of the hardest decisions of their lives and few relationships survive it. Again, my views are probably quite coloured by the reasons I was talking to these people.
They are getting Theresa May to do all the talking!"
She's another 'Reductionist. 20 weeks was saying on LBC this morning (same as the other Tory woman this week), so it looks like it's well and truly on their agenda.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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They are getting Theresa May to do all the talking!
She's another 'Reductionist. 20 weeks was saying on LBC this morning (same as the other Tory woman this week), so it looks like it's well and truly on their agenda.
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It may be a clever ploy to reduce to 20 weeks without too much kerfuffle. Everyone will be thinking, it could be 12 so let's not make a fuss. I'm too cynical for my own good. |
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