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Should The Death Penalty Return?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

In light of the sickening events in Wales with the missing child, should people responsible for these sorts of crimes be allowed to survive? I don't mean all criminals to be given the chair but I mean convicted sex offenders, child murderers etc?

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Bit heavy for a swingers site, isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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no and no

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

With the evidence of our "HONEST" coppers !!!!!!

NEVER

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

had this discussion the other week on here somewhere.

And the answer is no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope

Im not even going to go into my _iews on this subject

all i will say is there has been far to many muscarages of justic to even think of bring this back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Gonna be the devil's advocate here and say yes!

Billy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think paedophiles can be rehabilitated. They're sick and they're not fixable by any currently available method.

If they were guilty without question, yes, I'd put them down like rabid animals.

It's the "without question" part that's usually the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Waiting for the following words to appear from people......

Hard, earned, taxpayers, cash, holiday camp, playstation, castration.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No we are not living in the days of an eye for an eye etc.

Also I do believe with certain crimes committed, the death penalty is an easy get out for the offender.

They "get" away without facing the horror & recrimination of their crime.

It is a cowards way out, and one where people imo who sentence people to death think they can play god.

Also there are so many cases where the guilty has been executed and then proved innocent all too late.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

but life should mean life and be consistent, not depending on who you murdered and how prolific you are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I don't think paedophiles can be rehabilitated. They're sick and they're not fixable by any currently available method.

If they were guilty without question, yes, I'd put them down like rabid animals.

It's the "without question" part that's usually the problem."

Criminals such as Ian Huntley, Ian Brady and Peter Tobin are who I had in mind.

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Waiting for the following words to appear from people......

Hard, earned, taxpayers, cash, holiday camp, playstation, castration."

No need to wait, you just typed them!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but life should mean life and be consistent, not depending on who you murdered and how prolific you are."

Absolutely!!!!

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

and many abusers are the victims of abuse, does not excuse it but some can be helped.

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I think repeat offending self-confessed kiddy fiddlers should be given the option to choose death when serving life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think repeat offending self-confessed kiddy fiddlers should be given the option to choose death when serving life."

Death or chemical castration.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"I think repeat offending self-confessed kiddy fiddlers should be given the option to choose death when serving life."

good point

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"I think repeat offending self-confessed kiddy fiddlers should be given the option to choose death when serving life.

Death or chemical castration."

Death.

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By *entscotscplCouple over a year ago

falkirk ish

Touch Ane, Touch A' - Better Meddle Wi' the Deil then the Bairns o' Falkirk".

if proven guilty they should be done away with

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"and many abusers are the victims of abuse, does not excuse it but some can be helped."

What evidence is there that any can be helped?

I believe if the evidence is irrefutable,which in a lot of cases it is,then these men should be executed like the dogs they are,there is no cure for people who get there kicks from torturing children and we should not try to understand them.The one message our society should send out to its children is we will protect them and kill those who seek to harm them,if through DNA we can prove beyond doubt that someone did commit the crime

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By *rank_SimoneCouple over a year ago

Bideford

Yes Yes and Yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"and many abusers are the victims of abuse, does not excuse it but some can be helped.

What evidence is there that any can be helped?

Spot on. Don't think anyone could disagree with that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep absolutely. There are no real consequences for actions in this country.

With the DNA profiling and other methods of proving someone's guilt these days if it can be proved 100% that someone is guilty then life for a life.

Anyone found guilty of child offences should be castrated without pain relief then branded on their foreheads(inglorious basterds method) so people will forever know what they were. Doubt they'll last that long but hey they made the choice.

Obviously the PC human right do gooding arseholes will not like this and may say its barbaric. My answer would be to ask what hurting/interfering with a child could be classed as.

(Sits back and awaits ANOTHER session on naughty step)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just glad you're not in charge then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Waiting for the following words to appear from people......

Hard, earned, taxpayers, cash, holiday camp, playstation, castration."

nothing to do with money for me

I look at cases such as the guildford bombing where four people was sent to prison, who was guilty without question, along with 7 other members on the Conlon family

!5 years they spent in prison for a crime the did not commit, when they was sentanced to life it was know by the police they was innocent, they had a aliby that was hidden from the defence and the police had tampered with evidance and reports, as well as holding a gun to Jerry conlons head to make his sigh a statement he did not write

The police was under pressure to get a conviction and that they did

Giusepp Conlon died in a prison cell a after serving 11 years of his sentace for a crime he did not commit

Patrick and Vincent Maguire was just 14 and 17 years old when they served a 5 year prison sentace each

Carole Richardson was sentanced to life just 17 years old

When they was sentanced the judge actually said

Its a great pity hanging is not still legal in this country, a sentance i would have no problem passing in this case!

That would be four innocent people dead

Theres no such thing as guilty without doubt, we get to know what the police want us to know and if people think corruption is not still happening they are wrong

media hype etc all adds to peoples _iews and out comes on such cases, innoncent people still go to jail and if the death sentance was back that would mean innocent people would die

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

SNIP...................

Also there are so many cases where the guilty has been executed and then proved innocent all too late.

Actually not that many. About 4 "questionable" executions in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are so many miscarriages of justice and even with DNA we still have mistakes made, so my vote is a definite NO

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, no and once again no.

Better one hundred are kept alive, than one judicially murdered wrongly.

The real issue is not the death sentence, but sentencing in gerneral. Due to overcrowding, terms are reduced (and if you behave well, significantly so). What we need is for heinous crimes, WHICH HAVE BEEN PROVED, to recieve the maxium that can be given without parole. For some, this means life is life.

No doubt some will castigate my _iew on this, but i strongly believe that the death sentence is just not a viable means of punishment today, as it does not do that...PUNISH.

Just my honest opinion

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Just glad you're not in charge then."

I'll ask you then if someone was found beyond doubt that they tortured/murdered children, do they deserve to be protected in a prison cell for the rest of their days? At the end of the day sex offenders are housed together in prison so it's not even as though they will face the music from other prisoners who aren't sex offenders.

Also murdering psychopaths like Peter Tobin will never be sane enough for release and show no remorse, why should people of this ilk be allowed to survive?

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By *he Happy ManMan over a year ago

Merseyside

No. No humane and civilised society has the death penalty. Life should mean life though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just glad you're not in charge then.

Also murdering psychopaths like Peter Tobin will never be sane enough for release and show no remorse, why should people of this ilk be allowed to survive?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

deffo a yes ,,,n as 4 tattooing the forhead ide do it across the face as they cud grow hair n try covering it up ,,,,we shud have a deterant also against ppl who r asked 2 remove sed tattoo,,,,,,

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By *els_BellsWoman over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"There are so many miscarriages of justice and even with DNA we still have mistakes made, so my vote is a definite NO "
as is mine.

However, I would just like them to suffer in prison.

For example, Ian Brady wants to die, I dont think he should be given that choice. Their victims were not given the choice if they lived or died, so why should he be able to choose?!

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By *istress_L-CaptainCouple over a year ago

Southport

If we can't kill ourselves or family members when we have a condition like locked in syndrome why should we kill people for doing wrong! Just let them rot!

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"Waiting for the following words to appear from people......

Hard, earned, taxpayers, cash, holiday camp, playstation, castration.

nothing to do with money for me

I look at cases such as the guildford bombing where four people was sent to prison, who was guilty without question, along with 7 other members on the Conlon family

The police was under pressure to get a conviction and that they did

Giusepp Conlon died in a prison cell a after serving 11 years of his sentace for a crime he did not commit

Patrick and Vincent Maguire was just 14 and 17 years old when they served a 5 year prison sentace each

Carole Richardson was sentanced to life just 17 years old

When they was sentanced the judge actually said

Its a great pity hanging is not still legal in this country, a sentance i would have no problem passing in this case!

That would be four innocent people dead

Theres no such thing as guilty without doubt, we get to know what the police want us to know and if people think corruption is not still happening they are wrong

media hype etc all adds to peoples _iews and out comes on such cases, innoncent people still go to jail and if the death sentance was back that would mean innocent people would die"

Whilst i agree with some of your points you are mixing two different things up

In the guildford case as you yourself say it was a complete stitch up,same as the birmingham six,same as judith ward,in fact all the major IRA cases were all stitch ups,that suggests that this was a british policy in the dirty war,a case of well ok if you bomb our cities we will stitch up one of your irish families,thats just an opinion im not stating that as fact but thats corruption,if the police with-hold evidence then they are guilty of crimes themselves and should be punished for that.

Do you think there is any doubt that Ian huntley is Guilty?

How about Robert Black?

How about Peter Tobin,the list goes on and on,people who we know beyond doubt because they have told us themselves. These are the scum i refer too,these are the people we should make examples of

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If we can't kill ourselves or family members when we have a condition like locked in syndrome why should we kill people for doing wrong! Just let them rot!"

They are hardly rotting though if they are being fed and watered, and in many cases, isolated so they don't even get beaten up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we can't kill ourselves or family members when we have a condition like locked in syndrome why should we kill people for doing wrong! Just let them rot!"

see i think like this

if i had commint a crime and had to choose between life in prison or a injection to put me to sleep id take the injection

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

over the years I have been here there have been more people posting their distrust of the police, the lawyers and the MP's...

yet the people they detest or distrust are the people who will be key in determining someone fate and the scream for the gallows.

bizarre, but I respect peoples differing opinions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

I'd find it harder putting down a dog that bit someone than I would a convicted molester/serial killer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No to sex offenders, child abusers etc.

Yes to anyone who deliberately takes the life of a police officer whilst they are on duty.

and yes, the uniform DOES make a difference and so it should

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

Well just speaking for myself,i would gladly be-head them live every friday night on mainstream tv,sure beat big brother

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No to sex offenders, child abusers etc.

Yes to anyone who deliberately takes the life of a police officer whilst they are on duty.

and yes, the uniform DOES make a difference and so it should "

i cant agree with that (and i know your not asking em to lol)

but for me its a yes or a no, i cant put one persons life above another

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Obviously the PC human right do gooding arseholes will not like this and may say its barbaric. "

that is offensive..

just because someone differs from your (extreme and barbaric) point of _iew does not make them an arsehole..

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

Well just speaking for myself,i would gladly be-head them live every friday night on mainstream tv,sure beat big brother

what an utterly, utterly ridiculous comment and it actually detracts from your position for the death penalty. You have a strong _iew on a very passionate subject and that I respect.

beheadings live on TV, just stupid

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what you are saying is that you could happily kill someone. With a big fucking smile on your faces.

Now what's the word for people who enjoy killing others? And what punishment would be suitable for such a person?

The day people with _iews like those get into power is the day everyone needs to be very afraid.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"No to sex offenders, child abusers etc.

Yes to anyone who deliberately takes the life of a police officer whilst they are on duty.

and yes, the uniform DOES make a difference and so it should "

Hold on a minute,every single police officer took an oath for the queen,they all know the risks

Children have only society to protect them why should we have the lives of police officers above that of innocent children?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think repeat offending self-confessed kiddy fiddlers should be given the option to choose death when serving life."

So there is no incentive at all to leave the victim alive to testify then?

Once upon a time they had the death sentence for kidnap, virtually no kidnap victims lived to identify their attacker as a result.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

SNIP...................

Also there are so many cases where the guilty has been executed and then proved innocent all too late.

oh is that all, ah well thats fine then..

what if one of those was your dad, son, brother, mum etc etc..

still happy with it?

Actually not that many. About 4 "questionable" executions in the UK."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So what you are saying is that you could happily kill someone. With a big fucking smile on your faces.

Now what's the word for people who enjoy killing others? And what punishment would be suitable for such a person?

The day people with _iews like those get into power is the day everyone needs to be very afraid.

I wouldn't be happy killing anyone but someone who without doubt committed a sickening crime such as Thomas Hamilton (yes I know he's dead) I would be capable of ending their life.

I'll ask you hypothetically, if someone close to you or your own child was a victim to someone like that would you feel differently at all over their fate?

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"No. No humane and civilised society has the death penalty. Life should mean life though. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No to sex offenders, child abusers etc.

Yes to anyone who deliberately takes the life of a police officer whilst they are on duty.

and yes, the uniform DOES make a difference and so it should

Hold on a minute,every single police officer took an oath for the queen,they all know the risks

Children have only society to protect them why should we have the lives of police officers above that of innocent children?"

but by the same token, i feel that taking an oath to serve and protect should also carry a weight of responsibility for society as a whole, not just on the individual taking it.

no 1 asks to be killed (well, very few) irregardless of age or innocence or vulnerability, so turning your _iewpoint on it's head why should a person who murders a child be treated any differently than someone who murders an adult ?

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By *vana sukalotWoman over a year ago

In a land of make believe (Derby)

How many people here have been affected by such crimes in one way or another, their _iews might be one of eye for an eye...

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

People respond, in my experience, far more strongly when a vulnerable person ie a child or an old defenseless personhas been harmed in some way - and maybe there in lies the clue as to why emotions run so high in this case. Murder (has not been confirmed yet though, has it?) remains murder whether the victim is a child, a policeman, an elderly person....

The difference lies with the vulnerability of the victim. Now that in my _iew should not be the key to whether somebody should be executed.... neither should the motive of revenge apply in a civilised society.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"No to sex offenders, child abusers etc.

Yes to anyone who deliberately takes the life of a police officer whilst they are on duty.

and yes, the uniform DOES make a difference and so it should

Hold on a minute,every single police officer took an oath for the queen,they all know the risks

Children have only society to protect them why should we have the lives of police officers above that of innocent children?

but by the same token, i feel that taking an oath to serve and protect should also carry a weight of responsibility for society as a whole, not just on the individual taking it.

Simply because a police officer makes that choice

Children cannot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think paedophiles can be rehabilitated. They're sick and they're not fixable by any currently available method.

You are speaking from a position of ignorance here aren't you?

But to the OP, no the death sentence has no place in a civilised society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wouldn't be happy killing anyone but someone who without doubt committed a sickening crime such as Thomas Hamilton (yes I know he's dead) I would be capable of ending their life.

I'll ask you hypothetically, if someone close to you or your own child was a victim to someone like that would you feel differently at all over their fate?"

No. I'd want to know they were being punished. I wouldn't want anymore blood shed.

And if you are happy to kill someone, someone who has done nothing to you personally, then you are indeed as bad as them. Wether you take pleasure in jt or not, you are still wanting to kill someone. That makes you as bad as them.

I don't know why you can't see that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. No humane and civilised society has the death penalty. Life should mean life though.

I am sure certain members of the United States government might beg to differ on that one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How many people here have been affected by such crimes in one way or another, their _iews might be one of eye for an eye..."

I'm speaking as someone who's family has been deeply affected by a child murder. That is probably where the strong _iewpoints come from.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No to sex offenders, child abusers etc.

Yes to anyone who deliberately takes the life of a police officer whilst they are on duty.

and yes, the uniform DOES make a difference and so it should

Hold on a minute,every single police officer took an oath for the queen,they all know the risks

Children have only society to protect them why should we have the lives of police officers above that of innocent children?

but by the same token, i feel that taking an oath to serve and protect should also carry a weight of responsibility for society as a whole, not just on the individual taking it.

Simply because a police officer makes that choice

Children cannot"

but neither does an adult (generally)

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I wouldn't be happy killing anyone but someone who without doubt committed a sickening crime such as Thomas Hamilton (yes I know he's dead) I would be capable of ending their life.

I'll ask you hypothetically, if someone close to you or your own child was a victim to someone like that would you feel differently at all over their fate?

No. I'd want to know they were being punished. I wouldn't want anymore blood shed.

I don't know why you can't see that? "

We should have moved on from "and eye for an eye" if we want to call ourselves civilised.

I have the greatest admiration for relatives of victims who do not demand revenge.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"How many people here have been affected by such crimes in one way or another, their _iews might be one of eye for an eye...

I'm speaking as someone who's family has been deeply affected by a child murder. That is probably where the strong _iewpoints come from."

sorry to hear that. all the best

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"How many people here have been affected by such crimes in one way or another, their _iews might be one of eye for an eye...

I'm speaking as someone who's family has been deeply affected by a child murder. That is probably where the strong _iewpoints come from."
And while I differ in my _iew, I can totally understand the intensity of your feelings and empathise. So sorry to hear that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I wouldn't be happy killing anyone but someone who without doubt committed a sickening crime such as Thomas Hamilton (yes I know he's dead) I would be capable of ending their life.

I'll ask you hypothetically, if someone close to you or your own child was a victim to someone like that would you feel differently at all over their fate?

No. I'd want to know they were being punished. I wouldn't want anymore blood shed.

I don't know why you can't see that? "

The first line of my comment says I wouldn't be happy killing anyone.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

I wouldn't be happy killing anyone but someone who without doubt committed a sickening crime such as Thomas Hamilton (yes I know he's dead) I would be capable of ending their life.

I'll ask you hypothetically, if someone close to you or your own child was a victim to someone like that would you feel differently at all over their fate?

No. I'd want to know they were being punished. I wouldn't want anymore blood shed.

I don't know why you can't see that? "

Well it can be argued that all soldiers 'want' to kill someone.

It isn't about 'wanting'to kill anyone,you asked whether the ones advocating could actually do it themselves.Let me put it this way i have three daughters and if some pervert got his hands on any one of them and took one of their lives,then yes i would take his life,simple as that

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

There is the term "mob" or "lynch" justice - surely that would take society (any society) back to medieval times?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

sorry but I find this castrate them nonsense absolutely stupid(in the case of child crimes)..are u saying take away their balls would make them less likely to offend again???- I think some people here lack the understanding of sexual gratification and the forms it comes in, however intolerable to society they are.If it isnt a biological condition, I doubt that castration would have an form of deterrent to future offences.

Unfortunately just reading some f the comments has already led me to believe many of u read the reactionary media ie the daily mail.

as for the death penalty, give me 100% facts on who committed the crime, because on my conscience in 20 yrs time when some evidence comes to light that they got the wrong man, unintentionally or intentionally(should those who have been found to have intentionally caused an unlawful death via the criminal the justice systems of the world also be put to death??? eye for and eye...), anyway I dont want that on my conscience.

the people also screaming out for the death penalty, it might sound like the right thing to do, taking vengeance, but I think most ppl would struggle with effectively killing someone..even worse as I'm sure it would have deep psychological effects that most wont even think about till after they have pulled the 'trigger'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Replace the word 'happy' with 'want' then. But it doesn't change what I was trying to say.

If you want to pull the trigger or swing the axe and would feel no remorse about it then you're no better.

It's about time we started moving away from this eye for an eye bollocks. An outdated idea from an outdated book that the majority of people have never read or believe in.

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By *histler21Man over a year ago

Ipswich

I think I'm in favour of the death penalty for murder where there is irrefutable evidence. Anders Brevik, for instance.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Replace the word 'happy' with 'want' then. But it doesn't change what I was trying to say.

If you want to pull the trigger or swing the axe and would feel no remorse about it then you're no better.

It's about time we started moving away from this eye for an eye bollocks. An outdated idea from an outdated book that the majority of people have never read or believe in. "

I don't get how you think someone who ends the life of a serial killer etc is then as bad as the person they've just killed.

Do you think the US Marine who killed Bin Laden is as bad as him?

Obviously not all criminals deserve to die but there are some who don't deserve to live.

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By *vana sukalotWoman over a year ago

In a land of make believe (Derby)

I personally don't think they can be rehabilitated,

they are sexually attracted to children in the same way heterosexuals and homosexuals etc are attracted to each other. That is the way these people are wired the same as we can't choose who we find attractive neither can they. IMO

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

the reason two words

stpahan kisco

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No man/woman on this earth should be able to play god and nothing will ever bring back the lost.

Vengeance solves nothing.

I will stand by my earlier comment, they should be made to serve their time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I personally don't think they can be rehabilitated,

No, that is wrong, not every child murder has sexual connotations.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I personally don't think they can be rehabilitated,

No, that is wrong, not every child murder has sexual connotations. "

I assume they were referring to paedophiles.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. No humane and civilised society has the death penalty. Life should mean life though. "

U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A! (they are morons though!!!)

No way that the death penalty should return. It's a no brainer. too many outside factors that make it impossible!

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"no

the reason two words

stpahan kisco "

It seem s that the only real reason people are using in favour of the current prison system is the one of the wrongly convicted.

Of course our prisons have many innocent people within them even now.

Everyone knows prisons are universities of crime,they spend there time discussing each others crimes,arrests,trials and sentences,this is natural,so what happens when you put all the sex offenders together? All protected from the mainstream prisoners.

They spend the time discussing their own crimes,working out how to get better and remain undetected,building networks and alliances.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No man/woman on this earth should be able to play god and nothing will ever bring back the lost.

Vengeance solves nothing.

I will stand by my earlier comment, they should be made to serve their time. "
Yes in the gates of hell

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't get how you think someone who ends the life of a serial killer etc is then as bad as the person they've just killed.

Do you think the US Marine who killed Bin Laden is as bad as him?

Obviously not all criminals deserve to die but there are some who don't deserve to live."

Because they want/are happy to kill someone. That is why they are no better. You're not going to punish someone by killing them.

Are you wanting to start a different thread along the lines of "is it murder if a soldier kills on the orders of his superiors"? As that's a whole other can of worms.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"No man/woman on this earth should be able to play god and nothing will ever bring back the lost.

Vengeance solves nothing.

I will stand by my earlier comment, they should be made to serve their time. Yes in the gates of hell"

These killers are the ones who choose to play god ,killers like myra hindley or rose west,i could go on and on,these people will never get out so its not about making them do their time because they will,whats needed is a real deterrent for killing children

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cutting through all the rubbish about comparisons, is someone better than someone else.............

I will entirely change my opinions on the subject (which are anti) if anyone in favour of the death penalty can answer me these two questions.........

a) If the death penalty was a deterrent to serious crime, why were there serious crimes being committed when the death sentence was being carried out?

b) How does one reverse a sentence of death, once it's been carried out, when it turns out that the conviction was in error?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

As a human and a dad. I can honestly say that anyone that put child/wife/family member through an ordeal such as rape or murder. Then yes I would easily be able to do the act myself.

If I am classed a monster for saying so then I make no apology. People who commit such horrible crimes as seen in the Soham case do not deserve the oxygen.

I dont think there are many a parent that had their world shattered in such a way that couldn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obviously the PC human right do gooding arseholes will not like this and may say its barbaric.

that is offensive..

just because someone differs from your (extreme and barbaric) point of _iew does not make them an arsehole.."

My opinion! Human rights has gone too far IN MY OPINION. They protect the wrong people some of the time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

As a human and a dad. I can honestly say that anyone that put child/wife/family member through an ordeal such as rape or murder. Then yes I would easily be able to do the act myself.

If I am classed a monster for saying so then I make no apology. People who commit such horrible crimes as seen in the Soham case do not deserve the oxygen.

I dont think there are many a parent that had their world shattered in such a way that couldn't.

totally different

i have 3 daughters and make no bone anyone if raped one of my girls id cut their bollocks off and force fed them to them

Thats not the same as killing someone who has done you personally no harm for a living

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The problem with the death penalty is that to have it you need to be 100% confident in both the people and the processes that lead to the conviction.

Unfortunately the processes are nowhere near infallible and no matter how many 100% honest police officers there are it is proven time and time again there are a fair few rotten ones and don't even get me started on the Judges......

Which is why the police need to clean their act up and Judges should be elected..... but just my opinion.

So the answer has to be a firm NO from me.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

Obviously the PC human right do gooding arseholes will not like this and may say its barbaric.

that is offensive..

just because someone differs from your (extreme and barbaric) point of _iew does not make them an arsehole..

My opinion! Human rights has gone too far IN MY OPINION. They protect the wrong people some of the time. "

that I agree with

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I don't get how you think someone who ends the life of a serial killer etc is then as bad as the person they've just killed.

Do you think the US Marine who killed Bin Laden is as bad as him?

Obviously not all criminals deserve to die but there are some who don't deserve to live.

Because they want/are happy to kill someone. That is why they are no better. You're not going to punish someone by killing them.

Are you wanting to start a different thread along the lines of "is it murder if a soldier kills on the orders of his superiors"? As that's a whole other can of worms.

I'm sorry but that's bollocks. If a parent took out revenge on the murderer of their child then there is no way in hell they are as bad as them. If Ian Huntley for example was killed by the parents of his victims then I really don't get how you could say they are as bad as each other. They are totally different scenarios.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

You cant have 'selective' capital punishment for 'really bad' murders, such as those of children nor for serial killers etc but not for other murders..

you either have it or you dont..

and the 'system' has flaws, innocent people have been found guilty of murder before and will continue to be so..

for ALL those saying they want the state to take a life, how happy would you be if the next miscarriage of justice was YOUR dad, son, brother, mum, sister etc etc..

A society does not lower itself to the lowest level of its most vile member..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, they deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives by being put in a strict prison regime which effectively limits their contact with others and the outside world. It should be life.

All those who've said yes to the death penalty and/or mutilation of people for killing another, how many of you could actually do the act yourselves?

As a human and a dad. I can honestly say that anyone that put child/wife/family member through an ordeal such as rape or murder. Then yes I would easily be able to do the act myself.

If I am classed a monster for saying so then I make no apology. People who commit such horrible crimes as seen in the Soham case do not deserve the oxygen.

I dont think there are many a parent that had their world shattered in such a way that couldn't.

"
Well said

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Obviously the PC human right do gooding arseholes will not like this and may say its barbaric.

that is offensive..

just because someone differs from your (extreme and barbaric) point of _iew does not make them an arsehole..

My opinion! Human rights has gone too far IN MY OPINION. They protect the wrong people some of the time. "

Respect your opinion and your right to have your say..

but if you cant disagree woth someone without thinking them an 'arsehole', then thats a bit sad..

imho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

b) How does one reverse a sentence of death, once it's been carried out, when it turns out that the conviction was in error? "

Good needle and thread and a trip to one of the orange ladies in boots???!

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By *amschwingerzCouple over a year ago

West

100% yes...for, serial killers/motiveless kills

Add to that...

Life for rapists, Peados..and no segregation either.

Minimum 10 years caught with a gun..20 if they use it

Minimum 5 five caught with a blade..15 if they use it

Drink drivers, 5 year ban first offence, 10 year for second, life ban for thrid offence..taking their cars away and selling them at auction with the proceeds going to victims of drink drive crime.

Minimum 10 for a burglar or mugger

Fuck the softly softly approach deterrents are needed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% yes...for, serial killers/motiveless kills

Add to that...

Life for rapists, Peados..and no segregation either.

Minimum 10 years caught with a gun..20 if they use it

Minimum 5 five caught with a blade..15 if they use it

Drink drivers, 5 year ban first offence, 10 year for second, life ban for thrid offence..taking their cars away and selling them at auction with the proceeds going to victims of drink drive crime.

Minimum 10 for a burglar or mugger

Fuck the softly softly approach deterrents are needed."
Shall we send the prison bill to you by post or just take it from your salary?

Where is the room for remorse and rehabilitation?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"100% yes...for, serial killers/motiveless kills

Add to that...

Life for rapists, Peados..and no segregation either.

Minimum 10 years caught with a gun..20 if they use it

Minimum 5 five caught with a blade..15 if they use it

Drink drivers, 5 year ban first offence, 10 year for second, life ban for thrid offence..taking their cars away and selling them at auction with the proceeds going to victims of drink drive crime.

Minimum 10 for a burglar or mugger

Fuck the softly softly approach deterrents are needed."

I like your style.

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"Yep absolutely. There are no real consequences for actions in this country.

With the DNA profiling and other methods of proving someone's guilt these days if it can be proved 100% that someone is guilty then life for a life.

Obviously the PC human right do gooding arseholes will not like this and may say its barbaric. My answer would be to ask what hurting/interfering with a child could be classed as.

(Sits back and awaits ANOTHER session on naughty step)"

BUT!!!!!

Did you see the case this week about the DNA testing lab which mixed up DNA samples, and an innocent man spent 2 months in jail for RAPE before the authorities found out he was innocent after all!

No matter how good the systems are, no matter how many checks there are in process, there will always be "failures" in the technological procedures, which could condemn the innocent.

Then you come back to a life sentence, and that is what it should be; you walk into prison and you come out in a wooden box. In between, you are made to work HARD, and earn your privileges, NOT be given them as standard.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But as you said, it's then revenge not punishment.

They need to be punished for the rest of their lives. So that relatives can know that this is what is happening if they want to feel better.

Having/wanting/feeling the need to kill someone is wrong. Particularly as has been pointed out the justice system will always be fallible.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No and no; plain and simple

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

But as you said, it's then revenge not punishment.

They need to be punished for the rest of their lives. So that relatives can know that this is what is happening if they want to feel better.

Having/wanting/feeling the need to kill someone is wrong. Particularly as has been pointed out the justice system will always be fallible. "

I'll tell you from personal experience, the thought of the person who inflicted so much pain on my family being alive and well in prison makes my skin crawl and is actually very disturbing. Death to them has helped people move on.

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By *red and florenceCouple over a year ago

whitstable

Goodness what an emotive subject and what different opinions.. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.. Just feel that there has to be some deterrent to an offender who has committed a despicable crime.. Our thoughts are with the poor parents whose child is missing..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No need to repeat myself on this one. But I feel the need to remark that I personally think that people who call for capital punishment aren't an asset to the world. Generally they are driven by primitive emotions, and it is people who are driven by primitive emotions rather than rational thought who commit all the killings and other violent acts in the world.

This is why the child killers never come from among the more intelligent better educated sections of society but always from the least intelligent least educated sections of society. The latter types are likely to read tabloids like The Sun, and of course it is always the tabloids which call for capital punishment.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"No need to repeat myself on this one. But I feel the need to remark that I personally think that people who call for capital punishment aren't an asset to the world. Generally they are driven by primitive emotions, and it is people who are driven by primitive emotions rather than rational thought who commit all the killings and other violent acts in the world.

I completely, completely agree with this part of your statement regarding some quite irrational thoughts and opinions expressed not just in this thread or on this site - I am not in favour of an opinion that necessarily links a captial crime with a lack of intelligence, education and upbringing. Psychopathy simply is not like this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about the person who shot and killed the people in Norway?

What about the terrorists that have killed countless innocent people?

What about the serial killers that killed for fun?

What about people like Huntlet and Brady and the rest?

All confessed to their crimes without any remorse, should they be left to draw breath, while the families have to suffer knowing that the criminals are living a comfortable life?

In my opinion, they should be put to death.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and many abusers are the victims of abuse, does not excuse it but some can be helped.

What evidence is there that any can be helped?

Understood... but in many many cases these very people have been abused by those who should have been giving them the protection you speak of when they were children so how do we eradicate that because by not doing so we are merely firefighting and doing nothing to prevent it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I used to be an advocate of the death penalty, but there have been so many miscarriages of justice that I think it is too dangerous.

Life imprisonment seems a waste of taxpayers money.

No idea what the punishment should be, but it should fit the crime.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"100% yes...for, serial killers/motiveless kills

Add to that...

Life for rapists, Peados..and no segregation either.

Minimum 10 years caught with a gun..20 if they use it

Minimum 5 five caught with a blade..15 if they use it

Drink drivers, 5 year ban first offence, 10 year for second, life ban for thrid offence..taking their cars away and selling them at auction with the proceeds going to victims of drink drive crime.

Minimum 10 for a burglar or mugger

Fuck the softly softly approach deterrents are needed."

It'd be so easy to go all Godwin's Law on that !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

definately no.

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Yes, but only for timewasters who moan about it on a a thursday

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hmmm, an emotive issue indeed ! in an effort to balance the books, a life time of expensive segregation imprisonment against the somewhat repugnant and immoral act of taking life under judicial instruction ! try this one !

anyone convicted of the most heinous crimes against society's weakest members, children, the old & infirm, should perhaps be tossed to the lions in a colosium style execution, the perpetrator gets to feel whats its like to be preyed upon & nature would carry out the physical deed of executioner and you could sell seats to those who wish to see justice done !

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

What about people like tony blair and george bush,were they using primitive emotions or rational thought when they ordered violent acts,plenty of violent acts are committed by people using rational thought so this argument is non-sensical.

And to suggest killers never come from the better educated classes is a sick fucking joke i assume?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well reading all this i think the people that dont agree with death are right.. the guy or guys that have raped murdered wee April Jones.. yup i know, no proof as yet.. but i believe Ian huntly was proven.. should have a cuddle a bit of a telling off, 15 years and a new identity... hey after all it probably wasnt there fault. They were spanked as kids, so its totally fine to rape and murder kids... aye fecking right !!!!

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By *ittle-Miss-MuffetCouple over a year ago

Chester / North Wales

"Do you think there is any doubt that Ian huntley is Guilty?

How about Robert Black?

How about Peter Tobin,the list goes on and on,people who we know beyond doubt because they have told us themselves. These are the scum i refer too,these are the people we should make examples of

People that commit these crimes are obviously evil, mentally unwell, or both. Do you really think that making an 'example' is going to deter others of their kind. A body for a body? So murder for a murder then.. do some people really believe that bullshit?

Life should mean life - and an unpleasant one at that hopefully, but I could never promote the death penalty as 'justice'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can miss moffet and probably their parents can also ...

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By *arkstaffsMan over a year ago

Rugeley

"In light of the sickening events in Wales with the missing child, should people responsible for these sorts of crimes be allowed to survive? I don't mean all criminals to be given the chair but I mean convicted sex offenders, child murderers etc? "

Never. It belongs in history.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Waiting for the following words to appear from people......

Hard, earned, taxpayers, cash, holiday camp, playstation, castration."

Well I worked hard all week to earn my wages in which being a taxpayer i used my remaining cash to go to a holiday camp where i played on my playstation before i go for my castration.......dont make sense but used the words best i could for you :p

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and many abusers are the victims of abuse, does not excuse it but some can be helped.

What evidence is there that any can be helped?

Problem there is whilst I would like to castrate these scumbags, execution will only push those who haven't been caught yet to work harder to cover their tracks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As for death penalty....no I don't think it should come back. Death is a release not a punishment. Look at that poor bloke who was confined to a wheel chair and he wanted to die to ease his pain and suffering and doctors and courts refused to let him go so he starved himself.........

Child molesters, murderers, sex offenders should be locked up for life in a cold hard jail cell with NOTHING. No tv's' games, king size beds etc. Just bars and a mattrass, let them pay for the sick crimes they have committed. If found guilty of course.

Either that or just put them in a retirement home as prisoners these days have it good whilst the elderly and those who cant look after themselves are treat like shit.

Just my opinion and _iews.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Waiting for the following words to appear from people......

Hard, earned, taxpayers, cash, holiday camp, playstation, castration.

I think their comment was meant that those in prison have a cushy life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Life should mean life - and an unpleasant one at that hopefully, but I could never promote the death penalty as 'justice'."

But the people who commit these crimes are better protected than the victims family. Look at Jamie Bulger case. They have been give. A pathetic sentence then handed freedom, new identity and probably a council house to begin their lives again. While they can move on with their life. The Bulger family has has their world torn apart and are now in the knowledge that the killers are walking free. Just not right in my books.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And to suggest killers never come from the better educated classes is a sick fucking joke i assume?"

the last comment is fucking stupid as you have correctly stated... look at the likes of Ted Bundy and Ian Brady.... barking mad, but not at all stupid

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As for death penalty....no I don't think it should come back. Death is a release not a punishment. Look at that poor bloke who was confined to a wheel chair and he wanted to die to ease his pain and suffering and doctors and courts refused to let him go so he starved himself.........

Either that or just put them in a retirement home as prisoners these days have it good whilst the elderly and those who cant look after themselves are treat like shit.

Just my opinion and _iews."

I have to agree with the point that If prisons were like that then it would be best to let them rot. Thai jails or Alcatraz(been their and its pretty grim) Very hard and NO comfort what so ever. Unfortunately the human rights people would step in and say that they were being treated unfairly though. I don't think these people can be classed as human and deserve less rights than vermin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about the person who shot and killed the people in Norway?

What about the terrorists that have killed countless innocent people?

What about the serial killers that killed for fun?

What about people like Huntlet and Brady and the rest?

All confessed to their crimes without any remorse, should they be left to draw breath, while the families have to suffer knowing that the criminals are living a comfortable life?

In my opinion, they should be put to death.

With fewer scum bags to pay for in prisons, maybe it would help the country financially.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds are spent on the individuals to protect them.

If there guilty were taken out of society altogether, look how much the country would save, not just a few hundred thousand, but, millions!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about the person who shot and killed the people in Norway?

What about the terrorists that have killed countless innocent people?

What about the serial killers that killed for fun?

What about people like Huntlet and Brady and the rest?

All confessed to their crimes without any remorse, should they be left to draw breath, while the families have to suffer knowing that the criminals are living a comfortable life?

In my opinion, they should be put to death.

With fewer scum bags to pay for in prisons, maybe it would help the country financially.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds are spent on the individuals to protect them.

If there guilty were taken out of society altogether, look how much the country would save, not just a few hundred thousand, but, millions!"

I do agree to a degree, but can financial considerations be a good reason for the Death Penalty.

Maybe something like Devils Island a la Papillon? Find a island in the middle of butt fuck nowhere that no wants to visit, stick em there and let them get on with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i dunno about a return of the death penalty. what i do know if life in prison isnt punishment enough for some crimes being committed

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By *orseydaveMan over a year ago

Norwich NR5

Hanratty, Bentley,Rose and Ellis are 4 good reasons it will never return - waste of breath even discussing it, only 4 countries in the world hang killers, i wonder why ?

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By *kin BohnerMan over a year ago

derby

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By *kin BohnerMan over a year ago

derby

If only one person is 'executed' mistakenly it is one person too many!

There can be no justification for state sanctioned execution, an eye for an eye leads to a land populated by blind people!

As for DNA evidence... a man has just been cleared after so called DNA evidence proved he was guilty... a mix up in the lab.

And who in their right mind has any trust in the police these days!

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By *U1966Man over a year ago

Devon

Yes Yes Yes bring it back be cheaper than 8 years of legal wrangling

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Yes Yes Yes bring it back be cheaper than 8 years of legal wrangling"

The hanging would come after the "8 years of legal wrangling", you've got to find someone guilty of a crime before you get to sentence them to death!

PS - It's a no from me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont know Law enough, all we know is, they arrested a prime suspect, and we dont have much clue as to why yet.

Car resembles that described, was in the area at the time etc, certainly hope the police have way more to go on than we glean from news reports, so, NO.

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By *U1966Man over a year ago

Devon

"Yes Yes Yes bring it back be cheaper than 8 years of legal wrangling

The hanging would come after the "8 years of legal wrangling", you've got to find someone guilty of a crime before you get to sentence them to death!

Not in my book

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

"Yes Yes Yes bring it back be cheaper than 8 years of legal wrangling

The hanging would come after the "8 years of legal wrangling", you've got to find someone guilty of a crime before you get to sentence them to death!

Not in my book "

so, you are saying execute the accused

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its a shitty subject but some of us have to sacrifice for the greater good

executing an innocent would be 1 in a million with the evidence gathering techniques we have today. isit really 1 too many

we are never gonna live in a perfect world

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By *kin BohnerMan over a year ago

derby

Yes, one mistake is one too many... what if you were the mistake, is one in a million still acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, one mistake is one too many... what if you were the mistake, is one in a million still acceptable? "

no its not but taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture tells a different story

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By *eicsbimaleMan over a year ago

loughborough

Yes if crime is proved beyound doubt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"its a shitty subject but some of us have to sacrifice for the greater good

executing an innocent would be 1 in a million with the evidence gathering techniques we have today. isit really 1 too many

we are never gonna live in a perfect world"

it would be one too many if that innocent was connected to u somehow ...........

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By *wencatWoman over a year ago

Leeds

my cousin and best mate was murdered with a ex boyfriend the most the judge could give him was 15 yrs classed as crime of passion I think if can ever be proved beyond all doubt execute the buggers why should we pay for them to live I know I won't be popular but I don't care look at these men and women kill there own kids u cannot tell me they deserve to live

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By *vana sukalotWoman over a year ago

In a land of make believe (Derby)

Prison is too good for these types of people, my relative is a prison officer and he has told me, the treatment they get inside is far from punishment, even he is sickened by the 'justice' and 'punishment' of prison.

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By *amschwingerzCouple over a year ago

West

"my cousin and best mate was murdered with a ex boyfriend the most the judge could give him was 15 yrs classed as crime of passion I think if can ever be proved beyond all doubt execute the buggers why should we pay for them to live I know I won't be popular but I don't care look at these men and women kill there own kids u cannot tell me they deserve to live "

This

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

In this fine country one punishment fits all.It doesn't matter what you do,nick a tv,go to prison,burgle a house,go to prison,steal a car go to prison,mug someone,go to prison,assault someone,go to prison,rape and murder 200 people,go to prison,it seems to be our only answer to everything,but does it work?

A little bit of logic proves it does not

Prison is for three reasons.1,to punish the offender,2 to rehabilitate the offender,3,to protect the public.

As an example

If i steal lets say a tv from dixons and as punishment i am sentenced to two years prison.

well at a cost of 60,000 a year who is being punished? Me or the taxpayer?

If i then learn from other prisoners how to commit better crimes and how to get away with them more effectively then instead of being rehabillitated i am being educated,so that cancels out the third reason public protection,because all prisons do is make stronger,wiser and harder to catch criminals,that does not protect the public.

Yes we all know ours is a corrupt system where police officers stitch up innocent people usually because of clamours from the public to 'get a conviction',and yes i know the saying its better to let a thousand guilty go free than to jail one innocent person but we need to start protecting the youngest within our society and send out the message that we will not tolerate the rape, abuse and the murder of innocent children.

The way a lot of people talk on here it would seem like innocent people are released from custody every week,most innocent alledged killers die in jail anyway without being released or exonerated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Children should feel safe, and be protected, unfortunetly the system doesnt protect us, If there is no doubt and its a reoffence involving children or a sex offence then yeah they should be given the death sentance. I know there as been people wrongly convicted but with now adays dna evidence this is becoming less freqeunt. So again if there is no doubt then theres only one way to deal with these type of predators DEATH SENTANCE

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By *amschwingerzCouple over a year ago

West

"100% yes...for, serial killers/motiveless kills

Add to that...

Life for rapists, Peados..and no segregation either.

Minimum 10 years caught with a gun..20 if they use it

Minimum 5 five caught with a blade..15 if they use it

Drink drivers, 5 year ban first offence, 10 year for second, life ban for thrid offence..taking their cars away and selling them at auction with the proceeds going to victims of drink drive crime.

Minimum 10 for a burglar or mugger

Fuck the softly softly approach deterrents are needed. Shall we send the prison bill to you by post or just take it from your salary?

Where is the room for remorse and rehabilitation?"

So they go to court and say 'im sorry I didnt mean it' ..thats remorse???..

Rehabilitation?...you cant rehabilitate psychopaths or kiddy fiddlers..they are like sick dogs.

My reasoning is that if the deterrent is strong enough half of these scum wouldnt commit the crimes in the first place, thus less people burdening the state with the cost of keeping them in prison in the first place..

Half of the problem is the limp wristed approach to punishment and all this 'human rights' bollocks...if you commit certain crimes then you give up you human rights by default, in the same vein as you have denied the innocent victims their rights.

At the moment drink drivers obviously _iew taking the chance of being caught as a chance worth taking..they might think again if they were faced with a massive ban and a fine, and no car.

I was attacked once while walking my girlfriend home by a stranger armed with a cut-throat razor (for a 'laugh' and a bit of bravado in front of his mate)..it was COMPLETELY unprovoked and uninvited..thankfully he come off worse and will hopefully regret his 'laugh' for the rest of his life..

If he have had the threat of 10 years again over his head then im sure he would have thought again about carrying it.

Making people think twice first is in effect rehabilitating them before they commit the crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about the person who shot and killed the people in Norway?

What about the terrorists that have killed countless innocent people?

What about the serial killers that killed for fun?

What about people like Huntlet and Brady and the rest?

All confessed to their crimes without any remorse, should they be left to draw breath, while the families have to suffer knowing that the criminals are living a comfortable life?

In my opinion, they should be put to death.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% yes...for, serial killers/motiveless kills

Add to that...

Life for rapists, Peados..and no segregation either.

Minimum 10 years caught with a gun..20 if they use it

Minimum 5 five caught with a blade..15 if they use it

Drink drivers, 5 year ban first offence, 10 year for second, life ban for thrid offence..taking their cars away and selling them at auction with the proceeds going to victims of drink drive crime.

Minimum 10 for a burglar or mugger

Fuck the softly softly approach deterrents are needed."

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

Yes Z

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The US has the death penalty in some states and that acts as no deterrent. The problems in those states are just as bad as the ones where they don't have it. Feel free to google that.

I don't agree that all perpetrators of these crimes are from one particular social group. That's not born out historically. I will agree that most people who are in favour of the DP probably read the Mail, or the Sun. They also seem keen on using the word 'Scum' and the phrase 'hard earned taxpayers money' alot. Probably as it's what those papers say.

I think what really needs fixing is the problem, which is the state of our prisons. If prisons all had a 5*9 cell, basic bed, sink and toilet and a door onto a similarly sized outdoor cell so they could see some sunlight once a day and move around, no tv or fraternization with other prisoners. Allow them books to read but thats all. This for life, or even a shorter term would be punishment. I agree, prison reform has taken it too far the other way where it's seen as an easy option. At the moment prison hierarchys are allowed to form between inmates and there's proliferation of violence and smuggling things in. This needs to be stopped, and you do that by isolating everyone. Social contact for most people is essential, take that away and we suffer.

It's that sort of thing that needs sorting out. The answer is not to kill people. A person, so isolated for the rest of his life from others and the outside world will suffer enough and have real chance to dwell on what they've done. That is punishment. And should any new evidence come to light proving innocence then the person is alive to be freed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The US has the death penalty in some states and that acts as no deterrent. The problems in those states are just as bad as the ones where they don't have it. Feel free to google that.

u copied me on my last deathpenalty forum post lol... yup

isolation to the maximum IS a deterrent to most.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"The US has the death penalty in some states and that acts as no deterrent. The problems in those states are just as bad as the ones where they don't have it. Feel free to google that.

I have to laugh when people try to differentiate between newspapers,it doesnt matter if you read the sun or the guardian they are all government tools of propaganda,they just go about it in different ways,your no better which ever one you read they are all designed to keep you in the dark,soplease lets not have people assuming which paper you read simply because you use the word scum or any other word thats just ridiculous,there are no upmarket newspapers they all serve the same purpose.

Its also not true to say that segregation somehow stops smuggling,there are plenty of prisons in america where there is complete segregation,yet they still have massive drug problems,why? because most goods in prison are smuggled in by corrupt prison officers,especially in those prisons that are segregated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

u copied me on my last deathpenalty forum post lol... yup

isolation to the maximum IS a deterrent to most."

Prison is NOT a deterrent! They have life far to easy in prison! It's a holiday camp to them!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

see... this subject comes up and i always ask the same question of those who want the death penalty brought back....

what do you say to the families of those who you get it wrong?

ooops!!!! my bad!!! sorry!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they are proven to be a 100% certain, then yes, all sex offenders should be castrated like a bull !!!!!!!!!

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"see... this subject comes up and i always ask the same question of those who want the death penalty brought back....

what do you say to the families of those who you get it wrong?

ooops!!!! my bad!!! sorry!!!!

Apart from stephan kisco,name one child killer from the last thirty years who was found to be innocent and released and compensated

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"see... this subject comes up and i always ask the same question of those who want the death penalty brought back....

what do you say to the families of those who you get it wrong?

ooops!!!! my bad!!! sorry!!!!

Apart from stephan kisco,name one child killer from the last thirty years who was found to be innocent and released and compensated

so you going to be the person who tells the family.... "well... we got it wrong.... but we did it for the greater good"...

or be the one who told his mother that campaigned on his behalf to her grave....

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

My last words on a very emotive subject.

Did you know that the yorkshire ripper was sentenced to life with a recommendation he serve 25 years.

The great train robbers were sentenced to thirty years,and herein lies the problem,money is valued more than human life.

The kray twins biggest gripe was that they were sentenced to longer than sutcliffe,they got thirty years rec too

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"see... this subject comes up and i always ask the same question of those who want the death penalty brought back....

what do you say to the families of those who you get it wrong?

ooops!!!! my bad!!! sorry!!!!

Apart from stephan kisco,name one child killer from the last thirty years who was found to be innocent and released and compensated

so you going to be the person who tells the family.... "well... we got it wrong.... but we did it for the greater good"...

or be the one who told his mother that campaigned on his behalf to her grave....

You didnt answer the question

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Apart from stephan kisco,name one child killer from the last thirty years who was found to be innocent and released and compensated

well done them.....

so he got out late 1992.... and died late 1993... so 1 year out of prison after spending 16 years IN for a crime he never comitted

and the compensation you speak of... was never fully paid out because he died so soon after leaving prison

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

You didnt answer the question"

you never answered mine and you got your facts wrong.....

i will support the death penalty on one premise....

all those in favour sign a legal contract.... and if ANY is then found in hindsight to be wrong.... we have to right to take YOUR life in compensation.....

thats fair....

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

Apart from stephan kisco,name one child killer from the last thirty years who was found to be innocent and released and compensated

well done them.....

so he got out late 1992.... and died late 1993... so 1 year out of prison after spending 16 years IN for a crime he never comitted

and the compensation you speak of... was never fully paid out because he died so soon after leaving prison"

Are you not reading correctly? i asked you to name someone 'apart'from stephan kisco,that means 'not' him

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Father killed himself after hate mob wrongly accused him of being James Bulger child killer Robert Thompson

Scott Bradley, 36, was found dead on Sunday after being hounded for months over false rumours that he was the child killer

James Bulger's mother Denise Fergus says she is 'shocked and upset' to hear of Mr Bradley's death

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186431/Father-killed-hate-mob-wrongly-accused-James-Bulger-child-killer-Robert-Thompson.html#ixzz28XCzpc6H

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

sometimes they don't need to be wrongly convicted, just hunted by the ignorant

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Sally Clark (August 1964 – 15 March 2007)[1] was a British solicitor who became the victim of an infamous miscarriage of justice when she was wrongly convicted of the murder of two of her sons in 1999. Even after the conviction was overturned, she never recovered from the experience, developed a number of serious psychiatric problems including serious alcohol dependency and died in 2007 from alcohol poisoning.[4]

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Are you not reading correctly? i asked you to name someone 'apart'from stephan kisco,that means 'not' him"

okay....

hmmm...

Andrew Evans served more than 25 years for the murder of 14-year-old Judith Roberts. He confessed to the 1972 murder after seeing the girl's face in a dream. His conviction was overturned in 1997.

I know... fluke eh.... hmmm...

Paul Blackburn was convicted in 1978 when aged 15 of the attempted murder of a 9-year old boy, and spent more than 25 years in 18 different prisons, during which time he maintained his innocence. He said he had never considered saying he was guilty to secure an earlier release because it was a matter of "integrity". He was finally released in May 2005 having served 25 years when the Court of Appeal ruled his trial was unfair and his conviction 'unsafe'.

ooooh..... or... shall we now go for a Mother and a Young Daughter...... okay...

Timothy Evans's wife and young daughter were killed in 1949. Evans was convicted of the murder of his daughter and was hanged in 1950. An official inquiry conducted 15 years later determined that the real killer of Evans's daughter had been Evans's co-tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie. Christie was also responsible for the death of Evans's wife, his own wife, and six other women. He was the chief witness against Evans at his trial because the police accepted all of his statements as fact. The police were incompetent in their several searches of the house at Rillington Place, missing bones of earlier victims exposed in the tiny garden of the property. They also concocted false confessions from Evans to justify their accusations against Evans. The case was important in leading directly to the abolition of capital punishment in 1965 in the UK.

or.... how about the bridgewater four....

The Bridgewater Four were convicted in 1979 of murdering Carl Bridgewater, a 13-year-old paper boy who was shot on his round when he disturbed robbers at a farm in Staffordshire. Patrick Molloy died in jail in 1981. The remaining three were released in 1997 after their convictions were overturned.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"Father killed himself after hate mob wrongly accused him of being James Bulger child killer Robert Thompson

Scott Bradley, 36, was found dead on Sunday after being hounded for months over false rumours that he was the child killer

James Bulger's mother Denise Fergus says she is 'shocked and upset' to hear of Mr Bradley's death

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186431/Father-killed-hate-mob-wrongly-accused-James-Bulger-child-killer-Robert-Thompson.html#ixzz28XCzpc6H

And your point is?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're right about all media being used to keep people in line by the people who want things a certain way.

But you can tell what newspapers people read, if at all. For instance, you don't get Richard Littlejohn mouthing off in the Guardian about how his hard earned taxes are going to keep this murdering scum in prison...etc

Each media source tailored to keep a specific section of the public amused.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

And your point is?"

you are so hungry to pump yourself up to be the leader of the mob that hangs them high, out of sheer bluster and effect, i was drawing a parallel.

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

Are you not reading correctly? i asked you to name someone 'apart'from stephan kisco,that means 'not' him

okay....

hmmm...

Andrew Evans served more than 25 years for the murder of 14-year-old Judith Roberts. He confessed to the 1972 murder after seeing the girl's face in a dream. His conviction was overturned in 1997.

I know... fluke eh.... hmmm...

ooooh..... or... shall we now go for a Mother and a Young Daughter...... okay...

or.... how about the bridgewater four....

None of those case are from the last thirty years,none of them were convicted on DNA evidence.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Are you not reading correctly? i asked you to name someone 'apart'from stephan kisco,that means 'not' him

okay....

hmmm...

Andrew Evans served more than 25 years for the murder of 14-year-old Judith Roberts. He confessed to the 1972 murder after seeing the girl's face in a dream. His conviction was overturned in 1997.

I know... fluke eh.... hmmm...

ooooh..... or... shall we now go for a Mother and a Young Daughter...... okay...

or.... how about the bridgewater four....

None of those case are from the last thirty years,none of them were convicted on DNA evidence."

oh, that's ok then.... poor them

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

None of those case are from the last thirty years,none of them were convicted on DNA evidence."

not the question you asked....

so how about now answering my question?

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

None of those case are from the last thirty years,none of them were convicted on DNA evidence.

not the question you asked....

so how about now answering my question?"

Go back and read again,it was excactly the question i asked

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Pediatrician Sir Roy Meadow regularly testified in child death cases, and Sally Clark was not the only woman whose life he ruined by contributing to a wrongful conviction. Angela Cannings had three children die at the age of between seven and 18 weeks old, and after Meadow testified to the statistical unlikelihood of their deaths being natural, in 2002 she was convicted for the murder of her two sons — one in 1991 and the other in 1999. The BBC found that her family had a long history of sudden infant death syndrome, and her conviction was overturned in 2003. After her conviction, Cannings' marriage dissolved, her relationship with her surviving daughter was heavily strained, and she was harassed by a former prison inmate. In 2005, Meadow was banned from practicing medicine due to professional misconduct, but later reinstated after an appeal.

only a few years ago.....

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By *uggers nemesisCouple over a year ago

london

"see... this subject comes up and i always ask the same question of those who want the death penalty brought back....

what do you say to the families of those who you get it wrong?

ooops!!!! my bad!!! sorry!!!!

Apart from stephan kisco,name one child killer from the last thirty years who was found to be innocent and released and compensated

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

None of those case are from the last thirty years,none of them were convicted on DNA evidence."

I have avoided this thread as the trenchant _iews on here have been aired before.

The difference with the miscarriages of justice now and 50 years ago is that people are released. It's hard to do that when you are a long time dead.

Even with DNA testing and modern forensics, mistakes still happen on all sorts of cases, not just murder.

Those who want the death penalty back should be prepared to carry out the sentence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But surely to condone the reintroduction of the death penalty, we would have to accept that in case’s where a miscarriage of justice is proven after the execution of an innocent person, everyone involved in the process of convicting that person now becomes party to manslaughter or murder and therefore should also face prosecution for this act ….

So I vote "NO"

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