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I wouldn't dream of doing that
Also "respect your elders" is a load of tosh. Respect is due to all until they show that it isn't.
I've noticed no difference when driving but I've noticed a huge amount of respect from young people where COVID is concerned with regard to distancing and ensuring older people are safe, not so the other way round. | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate." That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate? | |||
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"I watched an interesting documentary last night made by Monica Lewinsky called 15 minutes of shame, and it’s about how social media has made people more instantly reactionary and intolerant and how it has allowed dehumanisation of people on-line which has then spread more and more into real life with marked decreases in empathy in people matched by increases in narcissism. So, yes, you’re right. " Where is it available? | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate?" Shall we start with house price increases, free universities... or did people work really hard for those? | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate? Shall we start with house price increases, free universities... or did people work really hard for those?" Ok. Let's continue with interest rates of 16% on mortgages and the crash of the housing market plunging many of us into negative equity. Free higher education is something I'm extremely grateful for and never think of as having been handed to me on a plate | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate?" It’s not so much that we got handed things on a plate, but much more that our generation had many things that have been taken away, or denuded, or made more difficult in terms of trying to get on in life and I think that the boomer generation often struggles to see the difficulties that younger generations face. So we got free university education and could leave uni debt free We didn’t have to deal with things like zero hours contracts The cost of housing and rent proportional to wages was so much lower, it was far easier to get on the property ladder That’s to say nothing of the problems around social media, climate change etc. | |||
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"I watched an interesting documentary last night made by Monica Lewinsky called 15 minutes of shame, and it’s about how social media has made people more instantly reactionary and intolerant and how it has allowed dehumanisation of people on-line which has then spread more and more into real life with marked decreases in empathy in people matched by increases in narcissism. So, yes, you’re right. Where is it available? " I watched it on my Kodi through a fire stick, I’m not sure how easy it is to find generally | |||
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"It’s not so much that we got handed things on a plate, but much more that our generation had many things that have been taken away, or denuded, or made more difficult in terms of trying to get on in life and I think that the boomer generation often struggles to see the difficulties that younger generations face. So we got free university education and could leave uni debt free We didn’t have to deal with things like zero hours contracts The cost of housing and rent proportional to wages was so much lower, it was far easier to get on the property ladder That’s to say nothing of the problems around social media, climate change etc." I wouldn't disagree with that. It seems to me that many older people talk as though they were able to drag themselves from the gutter to the mountain top oblivious to the cable car pulling them most of the way up. Then they get angry at those unable to benefit from the cable car... even though it was them that shut it down. | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible "How do you know they're foreign? | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate? Shall we start with house price increases, free universities... or did people work really hard for those?" I can understand house price increases for some, though it's not exactly handed on a plate. If you didn't take advantage (or were in a position to), and buy your home/house, you would still be renting. Many of my extended family past and present still rent well into their 80's despite working all their life. Again, free university - it will only have helped those in their mid-late 40's maybe early 50's, as it was a push to get people educated. | |||
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"Again, free university - it will only have helped those in their mid-late 40's maybe early 50's, as it was a push to get people educated. " er?! | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate? It’s not so much that we got handed things on a plate, but much more that our generation had many things that have been taken away, or denuded, or made more difficult in terms of trying to get on in life and I think that the boomer generation often struggles to see the difficulties that younger generations face. So we got free university education and could leave uni debt free We didn’t have to deal with things like zero hours contracts The cost of housing and rent proportional to wages was so much lower, it was far easier to get on the property ladder That’s to say nothing of the problems around social media, climate change etc." Ok. I personally don't struggle to see the problems the younger generation face. I have kids in their thirties I know what they're up against. I do think that the younger generation tends to think that our younger lives were somehow more blessed than theirs and that we are sitting comfortably having made no effort at all. It isn't so in my experience. | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate? Shall we start with house price increases, free universities... or did people work really hard for those? I can understand house price increases for some, though it's not exactly handed on a plate. If you didn't take advantage (or were in a position to), and buy your home/house, you would still be renting. Many of my extended family past and present still rent well into their 80's despite working all their life. Again, free university - it will only have helped those in their mid-late 40's maybe early 50's, as it was a push to get people educated. " I'm mid sixties I got further education free, I also got a grant towards living expenses. It's something I'm eternally grateful for. My brother is mid fifties and had to take out loans | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible
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"I’ve noticed this, lots of aggression. Completely unnecessary, even when they are in the wrong. Even a woman parked on double yellows, making it really awkward to pass, had to fold mirrors in. I wound my window down, as did she, I said, that’s why we have double yellows so cars don’t park there. She was like ok, whatever, I get last and all the abuse starts flying. I feel I want to be a new super hero called ‘consequences’. You’re talking to me like a piece of shit, yet we haven’t been introduced. Hi, I’m consequences. And just unleash fury. Maybe they’ll be a bit more respectful of strangers in future. There really is no need for such aggression, we are practically spoon fed everything, no real struggles so why can’t we all just get along. " This post was a pretty aggressive way of saying you don’t like others being aggressive | |||
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"I've noticed that the people and things people respect have changed. For instance my parents automatically give respect to wealthy people and those in the professions. For instance whenever I accompany my father to a medical appointment he calls male doctors sir and is incredibly awkward with women doctors because he's not quite sure how to address them .
I wouldn't dream of doing that
Also "respect your elders" is a load of tosh. Respect is due to all until they show that it isn't.
I've noticed no difference when driving but I've noticed a huge amount of respect from young people where COVID is concerned with regard to distancing and ensuring older people are safe, not so the other way round."We have also noticed this in our travels, there are exceptions as always. I know this isn't the Virus forum so it is just purely a comment on the above. In our experience it seems to be the mid generation 25-35 that have a total disregard for distancing and the rules. Young mostly seem to be more respectful, even just out walking they give a wide birth where as above just seem to walk through. We were in the pub having a nice meal and the youngsters came in with masks as did the olders. Put the point of the OP yes we are a much less tolerant and more self serving society. Is it that people do not have to make effort or struggle anymore - is it financially or status driven - it is sad we have come so far yet lost so much in the process - just my musing | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible
How do you know they're foreign? because they are chatting in a foreign language"I'm often found chatting in Spanish whilst sat in cafés in Manchester, but I'm British, not a sausage of Spanish ancestry (well, not that I'm aware of). These people may well be British citizens but simply conversant in more than one language. | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible "Is that about others though or the fact those that are older are more vulnerable so they're thinking of protecting themselves more than others? Also we used to mock other countries that have worn masks for years to prevent spreading their germs to others. The British are far more resistant to mask wearing than other European countries so it's definitely something within the culture of our country. | |||
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"Ok. I personally don't struggle to see the problems the younger generation face. I have kids in their thirties I know what they're up against. I do think that the younger generation tends to think that our younger lives were somehow more blessed than theirs and that we are sitting comfortably having made no effort at all. It isn't so in my experience." I think it's more a thing of resenting the loss of opportunities. In terms of the generational respect differences I notice far more comments of 'snowflakes', 'woke' etc. etc. which I tend to assume are from older people with a suggestion that they're somehow a tougher bunch that fought for everything they have. | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible
How do you know they're foreign? because they are chatting in a foreign language"Ah ok. Not British but multilingual than. | |||
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"Again, free university - it will only have helped those in their mid-late 40's maybe early 50's, as it was a push to get people educated. er?!" University was typically seen as a middle class pursuit. The reason to go to Uni was to gain a profession. The number going to uni was as a result small as Universities needed to know entrants were capable of gaining pass marks or to promote their status. Gradually more and more realised you got better career options with a degree, though in the early stages of free higher ed, you'd have to be pretty forward thinking, come from a very good family or have the grades that meant it was a no brainier. | |||
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"Respect/manners seems to have declined Worlds gone too pc, you cant do this or that incase you offend someone and take away their human rights Hence people have evolved to a point where they are rude/etc. the past 2 years has supercharged this. Dont get me started on law, criminals get away with everything. Hope we change our laws and become more like america, punish. Instead of going ‘oh his mental health was bad cause of his upbringing/etc… lets not send him to jail even though he near enough has a huge criminal record/etc. As the joker film said Everyone just yells and screams at each other, nobody is civil anymore’ " So offending people more will increase respect?  | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? " Definitely something I've noticed in Ireland as well. Not enough discipline in the home or school. I was given a regular dose of the slipper at home and ruler at school and I have nothing but respect for my parents and teachers | |||
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"I watched an interesting documentary last night made by Monica Lewinsky called 15 minutes of shame, and it’s about how social media has made people more instantly reactionary and intolerant and how it has allowed dehumanisation of people on-line which has then spread more and more into real life with marked decreases in empathy in people matched by increases in narcissism. So, yes, you’re right. Where is it available? " Not sure if this is the same one. But there's a Ted talk by her on you tube it's very poignant and sad. | |||
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"I’ve noticed this, lots of aggression. Completely unnecessary, even when they are in the wrong. Even a woman parked on double yellows, making it really awkward to pass, had to fold mirrors in. I wound my window down, as did she, I said, that’s why we have double yellows so cars don’t park there. She was like ok, whatever, I get last and all the abuse starts flying. I feel I want to be a new super hero called ‘consequences’. You’re talking to me like a piece of shit, yet we haven’t been introduced. Hi, I’m consequences. And just unleash fury. Maybe they’ll be a bit more respectful of strangers in future. There really is no need for such aggression, we are practically spoon fed everything, no real struggles so why can’t we all just get along. This post was a pretty aggressive way of saying you don’t like others being aggressive "Yeah I’m aware of the hypocrisy, haha. Just they seem to rely on the fact no one will throw it back in their face. They’ll just drive off like a civilised human being, of which they are not. No consequences for being horrible. | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? Definitely something I've noticed in Ireland as well. Not enough discipline in the home or school. I was given a regular dose of the slipper at home and ruler at school and I have nothing but respect for my parents and teachers " My parents hit me, i wasn't a naughty child though ! I have NO respect for them at all. | |||
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"I don't see how being violent to another person will make them respect you. It makes you fearfull !" I think that sometimes respect for someone's ability to hurt you or fear as I like to call it is mistaken for overall respect for a person. | |||
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"I’ve noticed this, lots of aggression. Completely unnecessary, even when they are in the wrong. Even a woman parked on double yellows, making it really awkward to pass, had to fold mirrors in. I wound my window down, as did she, I said, that’s why we have double yellows so cars don’t park there. She was like ok, whatever, I get last and all the abuse starts flying. I feel I want to be a new super hero called ‘consequences’. You’re talking to me like a piece of shit, yet we haven’t been introduced. Hi, I’m consequences. And just unleash fury. Maybe they’ll be a bit more respectful of strangers in future. There really is no need for such aggression, we are practically spoon fed everything, no real struggles so why can’t we all just get along. " You were aggressive to her first. | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? Definitely something I've noticed in Ireland as well. Not enough discipline in the home or school. I was given a regular dose of the slipper at home and ruler at school and I have nothing but respect for my parents and teachers " Glad that dont happen anymore!  my mum abused me with slippers/coat hangers were her fave weapons! All it instlled in me was fear! Certainly not respect! Teachers used books blackboard cleaners and feared them 2! Although luckily never had them thrown in my direction usually just the boys! X | |||
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"My children and their friends are respectful , generous and kind. They have values and principles like lifelong learning, protecting the planet and only working for companies that have a positive impact. They see older generations and government as quite selfish and leaving them a lot of problems to sort out" By the same token a lot of the advantages the younger generation enjoy are down to the foundations we laid. Every generation has its challenges to overcome. | |||
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"My children and their friends are respectful , generous and kind. They have values and principles like lifelong learning, protecting the planet and only working for companies that have a positive impact. They see older generations and government as quite selfish and leaving them a lot of problems to sort out" Agree with this us oldies have truly fucked up imo! I find in majority youth of today have great respect and acceptance of others! Far more than my own generation! X | |||
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"My children and their friends are respectful , generous and kind. They have values and principles like lifelong learning, protecting the planet and only working for companies that have a positive impact. They see older generations and government as quite selfish and leaving them a lot of problems to sort out Agree with this us oldies have truly fucked up imo! I find in majority youth of today have great respect and acceptance of others! Far more than my own generation! X" I find it to be the other way round | |||
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"My children and their friends are respectful , generous and kind. They have values and principles like lifelong learning, protecting the planet and only working for companies that have a positive impact. They see older generations and government as quite selfish and leaving them a lot of problems to sort out Agree with this us oldies have truly fucked up imo! I find in majority youth of today have great respect and acceptance of others! Far more than my own generation! X I find it to be the other way round" Ohh? We must speak as we find? Just as an example in my world I found younger peeps more accepting of my transgender daughter than oldies sad to say alot in my own family were very bigoted in their views! I know this is only one instance but I do find the youngsters so much more accepting of individuals than oldies majority of time work with across the age peeps and it comes through there as well! Sitting in canteen with them sometimes embarrassing some of the oldies opinions x | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? " Had to have a chat with my 19 year old yesterday. Gave her a few home truths, she cried which made me feel bad but told her that she can't go through life treating people the way she treats me. Also said that if I'd have spoken to my mother the way she does me, that I'd have had a clip round the ear | |||
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"I think what is sometimes classed as bad manners or respect is simply a difference rather than a direction. For me - the disappearance of 'childhood' has played an enormous part ( detrimentally ) By this I do not mean that children are more savvy with tech and more socially aware ........ I MEAN ..... the pecking order has been lost and I believe STRONGLY that this has caused huge problems. Watching parents letting children dictate - asking little humans with NO life experience , where the family should go .... what furniture should they buy ... what food ... yada yada yada ...... THAT is the main cause of no respect. Children think ( and they are led to these thoughts ) that they are YOUR equal. " Totally agree. My parents used to involve us in decisions like that. But more like a choice of 3 options and there had to be polite discussion and a consensus. | |||
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"When I initially commented on this I responded with the idea of society as a whole in mind. I find it interesting it has decended into yet another row between generations. Is any generation really such an homogeneous immovable group with the same ideas and attitudes for their entire life span? I doubt it. " Ano I did same shame was interesting now just generational rants | |||
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"I've noticed that the people and things people respect have changed. For instance my parents automatically give respect to wealthy people and those in the professions. For instance whenever I accompany my father to a medical appointment he calls male doctors sir and is incredibly awkward with women doctors because he's not quite sure how to address them .
I wouldn't dream of doing that
Also "respect your elders" is a load of tosh. Respect is due to all until they show that it isn't.
I've noticed no difference when driving but I've noticed a huge amount of respect from young people where COVID is concerned with regard to distancing and ensuring older people are safe, not so the other way round." | |||
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"Kenneth John Freeman 1907 - summarising works of Aristotle on children's behaviour in Ancient Times. QUOTE The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. … Children began to be the tyrants, not the sl-aves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters. " The younger generation has always rejected the values of the generation above. I remember reading a novel by Douglas Coupland where it was remarked that the difference between humans and animals was the need of successive generations of humans to differentiate themselves from those that came before. As Bob Dylan said: "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land And don't criticize what you can't understand Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly aging Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand For the times, they are a-changin'" | |||
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"Definitely, we have been stabbed in the back by so called friends, we have also noticed levels of greed and jealousy have gotten much worse, we much prefer animals to people. " Wholeheartedly with u on this animals are far nicer than alot of people and so so loyal x | |||
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"It’s not so much that we got handed things on a plate, but much more that our generation had many things that have been taken away, or denuded, or made more difficult in terms of trying to get on in life and I think that the boomer generation often struggles to see the difficulties that younger generations face. So we got free university education and could leave uni debt free We didn’t have to deal with things like zero hours contracts The cost of housing and rent proportional to wages was so much lower, it was far easier to get on the property ladder That’s to say nothing of the problems around social media, climate change etc. I wouldn't disagree with that. It seems to me that many older people talk as though they were able to drag themselves from the gutter to the mountain top oblivious to the cable car pulling them most of the way up. Then they get angry at those unable to benefit from the cable car... even though it was them that shut it down." I won't start preaching history but maybe some older people have every right to be angry because dependent on geographical location and circumstances not everything was handed to them. Maybe my experience was completely different to yours because of when and where I grew up but we didn't even have a voice never mind a choice simply because people of a different religion and political background told us we were irrelevant. Younger people may have to pay a higher price for everything now but they also have a much greater level of expectation. | |||
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"I am afraid its all true and has been for a while. Manners has gone out of the window. Not just drivers, although I agree, everywhere in shops, cafes, bars, the petrol station, car parks in the street people just do what they like with no consideration to anyone. Even neighbours don't care that much of what they do and how it affects others around them. Have you tried having a coffee or a meal in peace these days? Surrounded by just loud people with no manners. Customer service in lots of places is just diabolical and hod forbit you dare mention anything. What have you done, you made me let it all out now hut lets have a new years resolution for all to show respect, good manners and love and care for others. Here is hoping "I agree that this is nothing to do with age as many have said. My own observations above are primarily about adults who seem to walk about their business often ready to pick up an argument. You can almost see it on their faces with that agree look, the way and manner they walk, the lack of appreciation in your custom with good customer service diminishing, and general behaviour and attitude even amongst themeselves, never mind other people. Kids learn from the behaviour of adults often. That of course does not mean there are not lots of nice and 'well mannered' adults as well as younger people around, as there are and who often also do so much gor other less fortunate people. Unfortunately they seem to be increasingly part of a minority. | |||
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" Maybe my experience was completely different to yours because of when and where I grew up but we didn't even have a voice never mind a choice simply because people of a different religion and political background told us we were irrelevant. Younger people may have to pay a higher price for everything now but they also have a much greater level of expectation. " I expect it was. You know nothing of my life. I know nothing of yours and nor was I debating it. Newer generations are entitled to expect more. That's how we progressed from caves. | |||
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
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"If the lurkers would be so kind as to post their rude messages on the forum, rather than by PM, it would be preferred. Ta and all that *doffs cap* *courtsys* *curries favour* *holds door open* I think I covered all bases there. Please. And also thank you. "So weird when that happens....... | |||
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"I watched an interesting documentary last night made by Monica Lewinsky called 15 minutes of shame, and it’s about how social media has made people more instantly reactionary and intolerant and how it has allowed dehumanisation of people on-line which has then spread more and more into real life with marked decreases in empathy in people matched by increases in narcissism. So, yes, you’re right. Where is it available? " I saw the end of it a month or so ago, it was good.
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"I think there are many more decent folks than idiots. It's just the idiots tend to be more visible. " Or we tend to focus on the negative. I too think there are far more decent people around and I find the younger generation more caring than 'we' were. Who ever we was. | |||
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"I think there are many more decent folks than idiots. It's just the idiots tend to be more visible. " And louder. | |||
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" Who ever we was. " Really old people *nods* *Scarpers* | |||
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" Who ever we was. Really old people *nods* *Scarpers* "See ....... rude whipper snappers | |||
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" Who ever we was. Really old people *nods* *Scarpers*
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
No one said that. What a weird interpretation of what was said. "It’s kind of true in that kids respect you for what you do over what you say. You can tell them stuff till you’re blue in the face , but if what you are saying contradicts what they see you doing, you won’t stand a chance, they will think you irrelevant at best or a hypocrite at worst. Unfortunately it’s usually too late to fix | |||
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No one said that. What a weird interpretation of what was said. "My apologies. I must have misinterpreted the bit that said: "Watching parents letting children dictate - asking little humans with NO life experience , where the family should go .... what furniture should they buy ... what food ... yada yada yada ......"  | |||
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" It’s kind of true in that kids respect you for what you do over what you say. You can tell them stuff till you’re blue in the face , but if what you are saying contradicts what they see you doing, you won’t stand a chance, they will think you irrelevant at best or a hypocrite at worst. Unfortunately it’s usually too late to fix "
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? " On the driving side I tend to give a crash course in respect. When said twat drives up the arse of the car flashing their lights at me, I let them go for an undertake. I speed up to stop them getting past me, then slam the brakes on when I get to a slower car in their lane. They can crash into the slower car, crash into me or hope their brakes are good. | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? On the driving side I tend to give a crash course in respect. When said twat drives up the arse of the car flashing their lights at me, I let them go for an undertake. I speed up to stop them getting past me, then slam the brakes on when I get to a slower car in their lane. They can crash into the slower car, crash into me or hope their brakes are good." I hope the people they crash into don’t get injured or killed … | |||
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"To many touchie feelie people been to soft, discipline has been lost because you can't shout at someone who identify's as a fryingpan. Parents are to soft and teachers can't give the slipper or cane anymore. Free speech has been lost as you check step about saying something that might upset some cupcake. " | |||
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"To many touchie feelie people been to soft, discipline has been lost because you can't shout at someone who identify's as a fryingpan. Parents are to soft and teachers can't give the slipper or cane anymore. Free speech has been lost as you check step about saying something that might upset some cupcake. " It's hard to express how much respect I have for you now... | |||
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"My children and their friends are respectful , generous and kind. They have values and principles like lifelong learning, protecting the planet and only working for companies that have a positive impact. They see older generations and government as quite selfish and leaving them a lot of problems to sort out By the same token a lot of the advantages the younger generation enjoy are down to the foundations we laid. Every generation has its challenges to overcome. " | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? On the driving side I tend to give a crash course in respect. When said twat drives up the arse of the car flashing their lights at me, I let them go for an undertake. I speed up to stop them getting past me, then slam the brakes on when I get to a slower car in their lane. They can crash into the slower car, crash into me or hope their brakes are good. I hope the people they crash into don’t get injured or killed …" I get the feeling, that is the last thing on his mind | |||
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"Manners cost nothing..and respect is earned not a given.. If you can be anything..#bekind" Why is respect earned? Never understood this notion. Surely you give people respect from the off, it's welcoming and good natured, if they then mess it up then that respect is withdrawn but at least respect was there than never there at all, no? | |||
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"Manners cost nothing..and respect is earned not a given.. If you can be anything..#bekind Why is respect earned? Never understood this notion. Surely you give people respect from the off, it's welcoming and good natured, if they then mess it up then that respect is withdrawn but at least respect was there than never there at all, no?" Exactly , respect and trust is a given. If you started a new job and didn’t show trust and respect to your colleagues , you wouldn’t get very far. Loyalty is earned. Manners are just some weird British Victorian thing to separate the classes, a 19th century fixation with etiquette . Adding extra little words to a sentence doesn’t make you a nice person, but thinking others that don’t use them are worth less makes you a shitty person | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? " | |||
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate?" | |||
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"I watched an interesting documentary last night made by Monica Lewinsky called 15 minutes of shame, and it’s about how social media has made people more instantly reactionary and intolerant and how it has allowed dehumanisation of people on-line which has then spread more and more into real life with marked decreases in empathy in people matched by increases in narcissism. So, yes, you’re right. " Good share and observation. Same goes for many on here!! Massive rise and far worse than we many will admit. On a steep rise!! | |||
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"Manners cost nothing..and respect is earned not a given.. If you can be anything..#bekind Why is respect earned? Never understood this notion. Surely you give people respect from the off, it's welcoming and good natured, if they then mess it up then that respect is withdrawn but at least respect was there than never there at all, no? Exactly , respect and trust is a given. If you started a new job and didn’t show trust and respect to your colleagues , you wouldn’t get very far. Loyalty is earned. Manners are just some weird British Victorian thing to separate the classes, a 19th century fixation with etiquette . Adding extra little words to a sentence doesn’t make you a nice person, but thinking others that don’t use them are worth less makes you a shitty person" The problem with this is not that respect is a given but that some people demand it. In the same way that anyone who has to continuously tell everyone that they are a nice person must be projecting a completely different image if they have to remind others. If you demand something or tell people that they must respect you it usually has the opposite effect and makes them question why you feel the need to do so. Actions will always speak louder than words so act nicely rather than tell everyone how nice you are. That applies across all generations and is not unique to millenials. It's easy to say that respect is a given and doesn't have to be earned but that doesn't apply across the board. Initial respect towards someone as a human being regardless of race, creed colour or sexual orientation is a given of course but as an individual based on their initial engagement with you, not all are deserving of your respect and they must earn it. | |||
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"Been going downhill for years , respect has long gone , I walked past a man having a heart attack in the street , he was getting help by paramedics but there was about 20 people will teens all filming it on there phones , he died but they carried on till the police turned up , shocking lack of respect, what do they want with this footage, likes on tik tok , it’s all about getting likes on social media , sad world " It's a getting high and higher on likes!! People watching ,reactions not being accountable for even bothering to meet up or show up, Ghosting plus much more. It all goes on here and the wider society. Only takes one to make one. | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible
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"Agree about the driving. Especially after the first lockdown, seemed to be a huge increase in people driving like arseholes. Don't agree about younger people though. I generally find older people less pleasant these days whereas our kids seem to have really decent friends. I think older generations are often very entitled and oblivious to how much was handed to them on a plate. That's an interesting observation, what was handed to us on a plate? Shall we start with house price increases, free universities... or did people work really hard for those? I can understand house price increases for some, though it's not exactly handed on a plate. If you didn't take advantage (or were in a position to), and buy your home/house, you would still be renting. Many of my extended family past and present still rent well into their 80's despite working all their life. Again, free university - it will only have helped those in their mid-late 40's maybe early 50's, as it was a push to get people educated. I'm mid sixties I got further education free, I also got a grant towards living expenses. It's something I'm eternally grateful for. My brother is mid fifties and had to take out loans" Well said!! Younglady.. | |||
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"Being part of an older generation. Some comments on here don't seem to fit. Take mask wearing more older people are wearing them than younger people, but I have also noticed that a lot of foreign people are not following the rules so not sure if this is rubbing off on the rest of the population. I personally observe distancing and try to be as courteous as possible
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I'm often found chatting in Spanish whilst sat in cafés in Manchester, but I'm British, not a sausage of Spanish ancestry (well, not that I'm aware of). These people may well be British citizens but simply conversant in more than one language. "We know where Mr Kettering is going with all this. And maybe he has no problem with the Spanish! It's the French he is pointing a finger at?? Or others he finds strange because of the Foreign language..... | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful." What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. " I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? | |||
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"Manners cost nothing..and respect is earned not a given.. If you can be anything..#bekind Why is respect earned? Never understood this notion. Surely you give people respect from the off, it's welcoming and good natured, if they then mess it up then that respect is withdrawn but at least respect was there than never there at all, no? Exactly , respect and trust is a given. If you started a new job and didn’t show trust and respect to your colleagues , you wouldn’t get very far. Loyalty is earned. Manners are just some weird British Victorian thing to separate the classes, a 19th century fixation with etiquette . Adding extra little words to a sentence doesn’t make you a nice person, but thinking others that don’t use them are worth less makes you a shitty person The problem with this is not that respect is a given but that some people demand it. In the same way that anyone who has to continuously tell everyone that they are a nice person must be projecting a completely different image if they have to remind others. If you demand something or tell people that they must respect you it usually has the opposite effect and makes them question why you feel the need to do so. Actions will always speak louder than words so act nicely rather than tell everyone how nice you are. That applies across all generations and is not unique to millenials. It's easy to say that respect is a given and doesn't have to be earned but that doesn't apply across the board. Initial respect towards someone as a human being regardless of race, creed colour or sexual orientation is a given of course but as an individual based on their initial engagement with you, not all are deserving of your respect and they must earn it. " Interesting | |||
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents?" I don't know I don't know many people with young children at the moment but won't kids be interacting with older people in child care, nursery, school etc? | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? I don't know I don't know many people with young children at the moment but won't kids be interacting with older people in child care, nursery, school etc?" I don't have kids. Given the number of colleagues lamenting over childcare costs, I thought that's the trend. Can't blame the parents though. Childcare workers aren't really that old. And I don't think they or even schools particularly excel in teaching respect. | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? I don't know I don't know many people with young children at the moment but won't kids be interacting with older people in child care, nursery, school etc? I don't have kids. Given the number of colleagues lamenting over childcare costs, I thought that's the trend. Can't blame the parents though. Childcare workers aren't really that old. And I don't think they or even schools particularly excel in teaching respect. " I absolutely blame parents for any lack of respect their kids show, they learn by example. It isn't a school's job to teach respect by the time a kid reaches school age the pattern is already set. | |||
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"People are on their phone a lot. Specially women (sorry ladies, no offence!)" Damn! Us pesky women on our phones stopping people respecting each other | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? I don't know I don't know many people with young children at the moment but won't kids be interacting with older people in child care, nursery, school etc? I don't have kids. Given the number of colleagues lamenting over childcare costs, I thought that's the trend. Can't blame the parents though. Childcare workers aren't really that old. And I don't think they or even schools particularly excel in teaching respect. I absolutely blame parents for any lack of respect their kids show, they learn by example. It isn't a school's job to teach respect by the time a kid reaches school age the pattern is already set." Agreed | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? I don't know I don't know many people with young children at the moment but won't kids be interacting with older people in child care, nursery, school etc? I don't have kids. Given the number of colleagues lamenting over childcare costs, I thought that's the trend. Can't blame the parents though. Childcare workers aren't really that old. And I don't think they or even schools particularly excel in teaching respect. I absolutely blame parents for any lack of respect their kids show, they learn by example. It isn't a school's job to teach respect by the time a kid reaches school age the pattern is already set." | |||
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"People are on their phone a lot. Specially women (sorry ladies, no offence!) Damn! Us pesky women on our phones stopping people respecting each other " Did you use your phone for that ? | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? I don't know I don't know many people with young children at the moment but won't kids be interacting with older people in child care, nursery, school etc? I don't have kids. Given the number of colleagues lamenting over childcare costs, I thought that's the trend. Can't blame the parents though. Childcare workers aren't really that old. And I don't think they or even schools particularly excel in teaching respect. I absolutely blame parents for any lack of respect their kids show, they learn by example. It isn't a school's job to teach respect by the time a kid reaches school age the pattern is already set. "A moment in my life that told me I got at least one thing right was when our kids were around 10/12 and we were at a small French airport. There was a family of very badly behaved children, disrespecting people's property etc. Our son looked at me and said "thank goodness you didn't let us behave like that". | |||
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"People are on their phone a lot. Specially women (sorry ladies, no offence!) Damn! Us pesky women on our phones stopping people respecting each other Did you use your phone for that ?" I did! | |||
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"Everyone. Do you feel respected? In your daily life, by your employer, family, the authorities, government, people in the street? " I am shown respect by many, but I am also shown a lack of respect by some, usually people who are strangers too me. Is this just an extrapolation of the disrespect bourne out of anonymity we experience so much on the internet today. ? | |||
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"Everyone. Do you feel respected? In your daily life, by your employer, family, the authorities, government, people in the street? I am shown respect by many, but I am also shown a lack of respect by some, usually people who are strangers too me. Is this just an extrapolation of the disrespect bourne out of anonymity we experience so much on the internet today. ?" No fish face, it's not. | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? " “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Sócrates circa 400 BC Adults moaning about the youth of the world is a time honoured passage. | |||
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"Everyone. Do you feel respected? In your daily life, by your employer, family, the authorities, government, people in the street? " Yes to all apart from the government. | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents?" Most kids grandparents are still working these days. | |||
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"Do I feel respected : Yes In my daily life : Most times By my employer : When I had one - yes but there are legalities they have to follow. By my family : yes By the authorities : No we are faceless By the government : No, we are faceless and inconsequential apart from 'the vote' By people in the street : Yes. " Same for me except I felt respect from my employer wane over time. | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? Most kids grandparents are still working these days. " Unsurprising really when most lids grandparents are 39! | |||
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"Everyone. Do you feel respected? In your daily life, by your employer, family, the authorities, government, people in the street? I am shown respect by many, but I am also shown a lack of respect by some, usually people who are strangers too me. Is this just an extrapolation of the disrespect bourne out of anonymity we experience so much on the internet today. ?" I honestly don't know but I notice no real difference between the respect shown to me by strangers pre internet to now. | |||
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
No one said that. What a weird interpretation of what was said.
My apologies. I must have misinterpreted the bit that said:
Watching parents letting children dictate - asking little humans with NO life experience , where the family should go .... what furniture should they buy ... what food ... yada yada yada ......
Yes that's right. You did. Extrapolated, misinterpreted and misunderstood.
"Funny because I figured you'd done exactly that yourself. Didn't like my comments about certain people of a certain age. Seized an opportunity to pounce when you thought you'd found it. As it appears I have to be clear my stance is that the 'didn't do me any harm' and 'I'm the master of the house' approaches to discipline are unnecessary to gain/keep the respect of your children. | |||
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"These things are hard to quantify and prove. We can go only by anecdotal evidences. But I have heard it a lot. There could be multiple things happening here. The current generation has spent much less time with grandparents or extended family. This has already been pointed as one of the reasons of them having higher rates of depression. It could also be the reason of lack of respect you mentioned. I learnt how to talk to elders in the family by seeing my parents talk to their parents when they were old regularly. I think these kind of interactions have reduced a lot in the western societies. What they consider as respectful could be totally different from what you consider as respectful. What age group is the current generation? Our children are in their thirties, they and many of their contemporaries spent much more time with their grandparents than either of us did, in part because they died in their sixties but also because grandparents frequently took on a lot of childcare. I was thinking more of current teenagers. I guess the latest trend is to send the kids to child care instead of getting help from grandparents? Most kids grandparents are still working these days. Unsurprising really when most lids grandparents are 39!" In my family, most first time parents have been in their early 30s and grandparents in their 50s but those grandparents are unlikely to be retiring while those kids still need childcare. | |||
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
No one said that. What a weird interpretation of what was said.
My apologies. I must have misinterpreted the bit that said:
Watching parents letting children dictate - asking little humans with NO life experience , where the family should go .... what furniture should they buy ... what food ... yada yada yada ......
Yes that's right. You did. Extrapolated, misinterpreted and misunderstood.
Funny because I figured you'd done exactly that yourself.
Didn't like my comments about certain people of a certain age. Seized an opportunity to pounce when you thought you'd found it.
As it appears I have to be clear my stance is that the 'didn't do me any harm' and 'I'm the master of the house' approaches to discipline are unnecessary to gain/keep the respect of your children."You are FULL of imagination. Seriously, that's all in your mind and bears no relation to anything I have said. | |||
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"As I drive around the country (hgv driver ) I can’t help but notice that we brits have no respect for our countryside , fly tipping , McDonald’s drink and food cartons thrown out of car windows and house hold waste dumped at the road side " *Some* Brits. But yes, it's disgusting. | |||
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
No one said that. What a weird interpretation of what was said.
My apologies. I must have misinterpreted the bit that said:
Watching parents letting children dictate - asking little humans with NO life experience , where the family should go .... what furniture should they buy ... what food ... yada yada yada ......
Yes that's right. You did. Extrapolated, misinterpreted and misunderstood.
Funny because I figured you'd done exactly that yourself.
Didn't like my comments about certain people of a certain age. Seized an opportunity to pounce when you thought you'd found it.
As it appears I have to be clear my stance is that the 'didn't do me any harm' and 'I'm the master of the house' approaches to discipline are unnecessary to gain/keep the respect of your children.
You are FULL of imagination.
Seriously, that's all in your mind and bears no relation to anything I have said.
"You haven't said anything have you? other than telling me I'm full of shit because you have a different interpretation of what you believe my interpretation of what somebody else wrote. | |||
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"You gain the respect of your children by dictating what furniture they get, where they go and what they eat. Well there's some rich life advice
No one said that. What a weird interpretation of what was said.
My apologies. I must have misinterpreted the bit that said:
Watching parents letting children dictate - asking little humans with NO life experience , where the family should go .... what furniture should they buy ... what food ... yada yada yada ......
Yes that's right. You did. Extrapolated, misinterpreted and misunderstood.
Funny because I figured you'd done exactly that yourself.
Didn't like my comments about certain people of a certain age. Seized an opportunity to pounce when you thought you'd found it.
As it appears I have to be clear my stance is that the 'didn't do me any harm' and 'I'm the master of the house' approaches to discipline are unnecessary to gain/keep the respect of your children.
You are FULL of imagination.
Seriously, that's all in your mind and bears no relation to anything I have said.
You haven't said anything have you? other than telling me I'm full of shit because you have a different interpretation of what you believe my interpretation of what somebody else wrote."I never said that either. | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Sócrates circa 400 BC Adults moaning about the youth of the world is a time honoured passage." I love this quote and was very disappointed to find out it isn't real. It is however over 100 years old and, when written, was a students summary of ancient complaints about children so it does at least show the ever present generational belief that the youth of today are rude ungrateful little shits. Mr | |||
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"I'm not talking about the old" in my day kid's had respect for their elders" grandad type moan. I'm talking In general it seems that people just have zero respect for anyone or anything. Not sure if it's been a result of the pandemic or a systematic breakdown in values or right and wrong. But you see and hear the way people act towards others it really makes me sad. This insular me first fuck everyone else attitude kinda scares me. My daughter she's in her mid 20's and I have to remind her that I'm her father and not to talk to me like I'm a piece of dirt. Now I know I was no angel and but I always knew where to draw a line. But people just don't seem to give a crap regardless of the age or sex of the person they are being disrespectful towards. Maybe this is a British thing or even a English or cultural thing. I'm not sure, but I have definitely noticed a huge downturn in civility in the past couple of years, particularly in the way people drive. Now is this just me noticing this or has anyone else noticed? Or are you one of those" fuck everyone else me first types" who think it's not a problem? “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” Sócrates circa 400 BC Adults moaning about the youth of the world is a time honoured passage. I love this quote and was very disappointed to find out it isn't real. It is however over 100 years old and, when written, was a students summary of ancient complaints about children so it does at least show the ever present generational belief that the youth of today are rude ungrateful little shits. Mr" I share your disappointment but not as much as Sócrates. He will be distraught! | |||
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"Kenneth John Freeman 1907 - summarising works of Aristotle- Socrates - Plato on children's behaviour in Ancient Times. Part of his thesis" Though I preferred the Dylan quote above. | |||
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