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"i would like to know if these so called social child workers who dont spot this stuff still have jobs " That just goes to show you know NOTHING about the abysmal state the social work service is in. I knew that headline would fuel this type of narrow minded, finger pointing idiocy. They system is utterly broken and has been for years, just like the NHS, police, ambulance, fire service...... | |||
"i would like to know if these so called social child workers who dont spot this stuff still have jobs " Don’t dare blame a social worker. | |||
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"i would like to know if these so called social child workers who dont spot this stuff still have jobs That just goes to show you know NOTHING about the abysmal state the social work service is in. I knew that headline would fuel this type of narrow minded, finger pointing idiocy. They system is utterly broken and has been for years, just like the NHS, police, ambulance, fire service......" Very true, as much as things like this should never happen it's a miracle they don't happen more given demand and increase in thresholds to manage that demand which set up a perfect storm for disaster. | |||
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"Cut/paste from someone who puts it better than me. Can’t believe some peoples attitudes. “Ive been following the Arthur story and like everyone else I am horrified, angry and want justice. But please DO NOT blame child protection social workers for this little boy's tragic murder. They are not the police, they do not have police powers of entry or arrest. They cannot just 'take a child' there are laws and solicitors and courts involved and many other people - it is NOT the social workers decision to remove, ultimately. It is a judges. They cannot force people to give them information, they cannot coerce or threaten people. They can only work with what they know and what they'know' has to be agreed with by others. Child Protection is one of the hardest jobs in the world to do I do not care what anyone says. They have none of the power and all of the responsbility. People like Arthurs care givers are the reason a lot of us went into social work - we dedicate our lives to finding these kids and making them safe, and then assisting the police with the parents to make sure they face JUSTICE. To remove a child takes hours and hours of debate, negotiation, risk assessment and planning by up to 10 different agencies and lawyers. IT IS NOT JUST A CASE OF TAKING ONE AWAY. Please be kind to social workers in England and Wales especially whilst anger like this is high, they work damn hard 24/7 365 and its not fair.”" Agreed, people think it's so simple and they speak with the benefit of hindsight and all the pieces shown at once. I'm not saying there aren't shortfalls in the system of course there are but the person responsible for these children's deaths are the very ones who should be protecting them, parents/carers! | |||
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"Cut/paste from someone who puts it better than me. Can’t believe some peoples attitudes. “Ive been following the Arthur story and like everyone else I am horrified, angry and want justice. But please DO NOT blame child protection social workers for this little boy's tragic murder. They are not the police, they do not have police powers of entry or arrest. They cannot just 'take a child' there are laws and solicitors and courts involved and many other people - it is NOT the social workers decision to remove, ultimately. It is a judges. They cannot force people to give them information, they cannot coerce or threaten people. They can only work with what they know and what they'know' has to be agreed with by others. Child Protection is one of the hardest jobs in the world to do I do not care what anyone says. They have none of the power and all of the responsbility. People like Arthurs care givers are the reason a lot of us went into social work - we dedicate our lives to finding these kids and making them safe, and then assisting the police with the parents to make sure they face JUSTICE. To remove a child takes hours and hours of debate, negotiation, risk assessment and planning by up to 10 different agencies and lawyers. IT IS NOT JUST A CASE OF TAKING ONE AWAY. Please be kind to social workers in England and Wales especially whilst anger like this is high, they work damn hard 24/7 365 and its not fair.”" So well said, thank you for sharing this! | |||
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"You're going to get absolute Hellfire & Brimstone for that post OP. Despite it being reported 5 times that something was wrong, both from the babysitter & family members and closed each time with the statement "Nothing is wrong". so are the people who decided that nothing is wrong still employed " | |||
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"You're going to get absolute Hellfire & Brimstone for that post OP. Despite it being reported 5 times that something was wrong, both from the babysitter & family members and closed each time with the statement "Nothing is wrong". so are the people who decided that nothing is wrong still employed " Well, yes. It's not a murder charge. It's a procedural problem.  That & the abusive mothers did everything to cover up bruises etc to make it look as though nothing was wrong.
Until the report comes out from Bradford council as to what happened, it's speculative right now. | |||
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"Did you know a social worker can't speak to a child of talking age without the parents consent? Meaning that an abusive parent will say no and a social worker has to try and see the situation for what it truly is. With an manipulative abuser giving all the talk, hiding what they can, that social worker has to determine what is the truth. These visits are scheduled, meaning the abuser can coerce the child into feeling safe in that moment. I can't even imagine doing this job, even if it is blatantly in their face a child is in danger, they aren't able to scoop them up in their arms and march out of the house with them. They have that painstaking moment leaving the house knowing that child needs help. They have to go back and do immense amounts of paperwork to get the ball rolling to even try and get the child out of the situation. All whilst knowing they have more children to see, more visits, more investigation, more paperwork, more torture, guilt and I can imagine many many sleepless nights. I send so much love and strength to them all, they are the only people able to save these children with no power. It's heartbreaking." incorrect a child can be spoken too whilst they are school without a parent being present | |||
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"Did you know a social worker can't speak to a child of talking age without the parents consent? Meaning that an abusive parent will say no and a social worker has to try and see the situation for what it truly is. With an manipulative abuser giving all the talk, hiding what they can, that social worker has to determine what is the truth. These visits are scheduled, meaning the abuser can coerce the child into feeling safe in that moment. I can't even imagine doing this job, even if it is blatantly in their face a child is in danger, they aren't able to scoop them up in their arms and march out of the house with them. They have that painstaking moment leaving the house knowing that child needs help. They have to go back and do immense amounts of paperwork to get the ball rolling to even try and get the child out of the situation. All whilst knowing they have more children to see, more visits, more investigation, more paperwork, more torture, guilt and I can imagine many many sleepless nights. I send so much love and strength to them all, they are the only people able to save these children with no power. It's heartbreaking. incorrect a child can be spoken too whilst they are school without a parent being present " Ok and a child doesn't start school until 4 years of age. Which can also be pushed back a year until they are 5. If they aren't in any form of childcare, the parent can say no. | |||
"Cut/paste from someone who puts it better than me. Can’t believe some peoples attitudes. “Ive been following the Arthur story and like everyone else I am horrified, angry and want justice. But please DO NOT blame child protection social workers for this little boy's tragic murder. They are not the police, they do not have police powers of entry or arrest. They cannot just 'take a child' there are laws and solicitors and courts involved and many other people - it is NOT the social workers decision to remove, ultimately. It is a judges. They cannot force people to give them information, they cannot coerce or threaten people. They can only work with what they know and what they'know' has to be agreed with by others. Child Protection is one of the hardest jobs in the world to do I do not care what anyone says. They have none of the power and all of the responsbility. People like Arthurs care givers are the reason a lot of us went into social work - we dedicate our lives to finding these kids and making them safe, and then assisting the police with the parents to make sure they face JUSTICE. To remove a child takes hours and hours of debate, negotiation, risk assessment and planning by up to 10 different agencies and lawyers. IT IS NOT JUST A CASE OF TAKING ONE AWAY. Please be kind to social workers in England and Wales especially whilst anger like this is high, they work damn hard 24/7 365 and its not fair.”" Social workers can get an emergency order and enter a property if theres any concern that they may have even on whimsical evidence. Lets make it perfectly clear here I hate that record we learn by our mistakes. more like cover up go after the easy targets is my comment We can blame the currant system for its failures and there many. But even i can assure you I wouldnt want to see a private system thats slowly being pushed in. There was many cases within this private borstal system (60-90s) that has and still is being covered up where it all happened | |||
Plus, I wouldn’t be able to play nicely when dealing with the arsehole parents. | |||
"Who ever hurts kids deserves to die. "this | |||
"I’d be the world’s worst Social Worker. I’d end up removing them anyway and getting my silly arse arrested
Plus, I wouldn’t be able to play nicely when dealing with the arsehole parents."I would be exactly the same! | |||
"Did you know a social worker can't speak to a child of talking age without the parents consent? Meaning that an abusive parent will say no and a social worker has to try and see the situation for what it truly is. With an manipulative abuser giving all the talk, hiding what they can, that social worker has to determine what is the truth. These visits are scheduled, meaning the abuser can coerce the child into feeling safe in that moment. I can't even imagine doing this job, even if it is blatantly in their face a child is in danger, they aren't able to scoop them up in their arms and march out of the house with them. They have that painstaking moment leaving the house knowing that child needs help. They have to go back and do immense amounts of paperwork to get the ball rolling to even try and get the child out of the situation. All whilst knowing they have more children to see, more visits, more investigation, more paperwork, more torture, guilt and I can imagine many many sleepless nights. I send so much love and strength to them all, they are the only people able to save these children with no power. It's heartbreaking."  | |||
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"Walk a mile in the shoes of any committed, passionate Social Worker before you make any of your narrow minded, misinformed comments. No power. No autonomy. It's parents/carers that kill their children, NOT social Workers. This government has cut funding and resources for years! " Incorrect as if you did you would know full well. if the grandparent walked into hospital or into there local doctors with a child with bruises with concerns. They would be sent to the hospital with child and the doctors would inform social services and would be met at the hospital. Then the social workers would be called and an order would be placed for non removal of the child from either the hospital or from the person. | |||
"i would like to know if these so called social child workers who dont spot this stuff still have jobs That just goes to show you know NOTHING about the abysmal state the social work service is in. I knew that headline would fuel this type of narrow minded, finger pointing idiocy. They system is utterly broken and has been for years, just like the NHS, police, ambulance, fire service......" Spot on!!!! | |||
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"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child" The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... | |||
"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend...." I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me 
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"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me
LvM"No it’s combined within the NHS now. | |||
"No school in this case, lockdown. Unsure if this pedantic post is because you’re pedantic or in support of the OPs stance " The little girl from Bradford was way below school age also. School attendance is irrelevant in this case and we may assume she did not attend a day nursery or other childcare setting (who may have observed issues and could have reported). | |||
"Cut/paste from someone who puts it better than me. Can’t believe some peoples attitudes. “Ive been following the Arthur story and like everyone else I am horrified, angry and want justice. But please DO NOT blame child protection social workers for this little boy's tragic murder. They are not the police, they do not have police powers of entry or arrest. They cannot just 'take a child' there are laws and solicitors and courts involved and many other people - it is NOT the social workers decision to remove, ultimately. It is a judges. They cannot force people to give them information, they cannot coerce or threaten people. They can only work with what they know and what they'know' has to be agreed with by others. Child Protection is one of the hardest jobs in the world to do I do not care what anyone says. They have none of the power and all of the responsbility. People like Arthurs care givers are the reason a lot of us went into social work - we dedicate our lives to finding these kids and making them safe, and then assisting the police with the parents to make sure they face JUSTICE. To remove a child takes hours and hours of debate, negotiation, risk assessment and planning by up to 10 different agencies and lawyers. IT IS NOT JUST A CASE OF TAKING ONE AWAY. Please be kind to social workers in England and Wales especially whilst anger like this is high, they work damn hard 24/7 365 and its not fair.”" Very well put…. Heart goes out to all involved in an unforgiving job and one I wouldn’t do X | |||
"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me
LvM
No it’s combined within the NHS now. "What's combined? My health records are certainly not. Manchester, Salford, Bolton and on occasion, Lancashire. None of them "talk" to each other. My GP records cannot be seen by any of them, save blood tests or other tests processed in a hospital. Much of my records (and other people's) from yesteryear are on paper, in giant paper folders. The contents of this maybe pertinent to my appointment but not on the computer. Obviously I can recall, but for example, when my Dad was asked before a colonoscopy if he'd ever had surgery, he said no. The nurse was about to accept that answer but my brother (who'd had to argue to be allowed to remain) butted in and listed the various surgeries he'd had. These surgeries took place in different Trusts years ago. They were about to take the word of a man with dementia, FFS and my brother was only there after making a massive fuss. This was earlier this year, 2021. Ditto in 2020 when he was admitted to A&E in a different city, they had ZERO records about him. The fact vaccine records from Wales, Scotland and NI cannot be seen on the NHS App also highlights how NOT national the health service is. They need to sort this out for the health and safety of everyone. | |||
"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me
LvM
No it’s combined within the NHS now.
What's combined? My health records are certainly not. Manchester, Salford, Bolton and on occasion, Lancashire. None of them "talk" to each other. My GP records cannot be seen by any of them, save blood tests or other tests processed in a hospital. Much of my records (and other people's) from yesteryear are on paper, in giant paper folders. The contents of this maybe pertinent to my appointment but not on the computer. Obviously I can recall, but for example, when my Dad was asked before a colonoscopy if he'd ever had surgery, he said no. The nurse was about to accept that answer but my brother (who'd had to argue to be allowed to remain) butted in and listed the various surgeries he'd had. These surgeries took place in different Trusts years ago. They were about to take the word of a man with dementia, FFS and my brother was only there after making a massive fuss. This was earlier this year, 2021. Ditto in 2020 when he was admitted to A&E in a different city, they had ZERO records about him.
The fact vaccine records from Wales, Scotland and NI cannot be seen on the NHS App also highlights how NOT national the health service is.
They need to sort this out for the health and safety of everyone. "I’m just going from my experience and what I was told by the school nurse. My daughter sees many many different people NHS and privately. Every single NHS consultant/doctor/department can see everything. I actually questioned it as I was surprised and thought it was great that they could and I didn’t have to keep going through everything hundreds of times. | |||
"Social workers .... damned if they do damned if they dont Before fingers are pointed at individuals lets not forget that Social Work in general has been historically underfunded, much like child mental health services and a whole raft of other family/early years support services. Combine the cuts with fewer staff, massive overload of cases, experienced staff leaving due to stress then it is no suprise we have these sickening cases. When cases like these happen it is not simply an individuals fault, it is a failing of society to protect the most vulnerable. Sadly the govmnt would rather spend billions on train tracks that no longer go where they said they would than give the funding to where it is needed more. Save 20mins on the train from Leeds to London or support children across the country? I do wonder what £50 billion invested in child services would bring? I reckon the benefit to society would be more than shaving a few minutes of a train ride. " I couldn't say it any better honestly it really cool to see so many people educated on this matter. | |||
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"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me
LvM
No it’s combined within the NHS now.
What's combined? My health records are certainly not. Manchester, Salford, Bolton and on occasion, Lancashire. None of them "talk" to each other. My GP records cannot be seen by any of them, save blood tests or other tests processed in a hospital. Much of my records (and other people's) from yesteryear are on paper, in giant paper folders. The contents of this maybe pertinent to my appointment but not on the computer. Obviously I can recall, but for example, when my Dad was asked before a colonoscopy if he'd ever had surgery, he said no. The nurse was about to accept that answer but my brother (who'd had to argue to be allowed to remain) butted in and listed the various surgeries he'd had. These surgeries took place in different Trusts years ago. They were about to take the word of a man with dementia, FFS and my brother was only there after making a massive fuss. This was earlier this year, 2021. Ditto in 2020 when he was admitted to A&E in a different city, they had ZERO records about him.
The fact vaccine records from Wales, Scotland and NI cannot be seen on the NHS App also highlights how NOT national the health service is.
They need to sort this out for the health and safety of everyone.
I’m just going from my experience and what I was told by the school nurse. My daughter sees many many different people NHS and privately. Every single NHS consultant/doctor/department can see everything. I actually questioned it as I was surprised and thought it was great that they could and I didn’t have to keep going through everything hundreds of times. "This may be a) where you live and/or b) that hospitals are part of the same Trust. I can assure you things are NOT joined up round here. I shall be going to an appointment in Manchester on Friday and they will have absolutely no idea about anything that's happened beyond the gynaecological procedures done within the Manchester Trust. I will, yet again, repeat my medication list and all the rest. That info should be available at the touch of a button. Last time (Nov 2020), the surgeon wrote the notes with a fountain pen on yellow paper. | |||
"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me
LvM
No it’s combined within the NHS now.
What's combined? My health records are certainly not. Manchester, Salford, Bolton and on occasion, Lancashire. None of them "talk" to each other. My GP records cannot be seen by any of them, save blood tests or other tests processed in a hospital. Much of my records (and other people's) from yesteryear are on paper, in giant paper folders. The contents of this maybe pertinent to my appointment but not on the computer. Obviously I can recall, but for example, when my Dad was asked before a colonoscopy if he'd ever had surgery, he said no. The nurse was about to accept that answer but my brother (who'd had to argue to be allowed to remain) butted in and listed the various surgeries he'd had. These surgeries took place in different Trusts years ago. They were about to take the word of a man with dementia, FFS and my brother was only there after making a massive fuss. This was earlier this year, 2021. Ditto in 2020 when he was admitted to A&E in a different city, they had ZERO records about him.
The fact vaccine records from Wales, Scotland and NI cannot be seen on the NHS App also highlights how NOT national the health service is.
They need to sort this out for the health and safety of everyone.
I’m just going from my experience and what I was told by the school nurse. My daughter sees many many different people NHS and privately. Every single NHS consultant/doctor/department can see everything. I actually questioned it as I was surprised and thought it was great that they could and I didn’t have to keep going through everything hundreds of times.
This may be a) where you live and/or b) that hospitals are part of the same Trust. I can assure you things are NOT joined up round here. I shall be going to an appointment in Manchester on Friday and they will have absolutely no idea about anything that's happened beyond the gynaecological procedures done within the Manchester Trust. I will, yet again, repeat my medication list and all the rest. That info should be available at the touch of a button. Last time (Nov 2020), the surgeon wrote the notes with a fountain pen on yellow paper. "That’s terrible. I must admit I just assumed it was the same throughout. | |||
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" I’m just going from my experience and what I was told by the school nurse. My daughter sees many many different people NHS and privately. Every single NHS consultant/doctor/department can see everything. I actually questioned it as I was surprised and thought it was great that they could and I didn’t have to keep going through everything hundreds of times. " Mine is the same, whichever hospital or clinic (as long as it's NHS) they have or can get a copy of my records | |||
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"Too many variable factors but fundamentally the people who commit these heinous crimes are very good at manipulating people and playing the system. They know when to move, they known when to present at different hospitals, all the right things to say and how to detract attention from their behaviours towards the child The fact that injuries to children (or other victims of abuse) can be covered up by moving from hospital to hospital is utterly ridiculous. The fact that there is not just ONE single NHS record for an individual, accessible at any NHS clinic, surgery, hospital or other facility, is obscene. I have care at three different NHS sites, all in different Trusts. None of them can see the records of the other and they rely on me, the patient, to explain what the other Trust has said/recommended. I am able to do that, but so many people are not, including children who rely on parents, guardians and carers to speak for them. This one change, to a single NHS record, would make child and victim protection significantly easier. I don't know why there isn't more clamour and appetite for it. I personally want it so that I can stop telling medics my life story when I attend.... I'm sorry, what?! Admittedly I'm a little out of the loop when it comes to the NHS but really, there isn't one combined system so every medic can see a person's record? Doesn't sound particularly "National" to me
LvM
No it’s combined within the NHS now.
What's combined? My health records are certainly not. Manchester, Salford, Bolton and on occasion, Lancashire. None of them "talk" to each other. My GP records cannot be seen by any of them, save blood tests or other tests processed in a hospital. Much of my records (and other people's) from yesteryear are on paper, in giant paper folders. The contents of this maybe pertinent to my appointment but not on the computer. Obviously I can recall, but for example, when my Dad was asked before a colonoscopy if he'd ever had surgery, he said no. The nurse was about to accept that answer but my brother (who'd had to argue to be allowed to remain) butted in and listed the various surgeries he'd had. These surgeries took place in different Trusts years ago. They were about to take the word of a man with dementia, FFS and my brother was only there after making a massive fuss. This was earlier this year, 2021. Ditto in 2020 when he was admitted to A&E in a different city, they had ZERO records about him.
The fact vaccine records from Wales, Scotland and NI cannot be seen on the NHS App also highlights how NOT national the health service is.
They need to sort this out for the health and safety of everyone.
I’m just going from my experience and what I was told by the school nurse. My daughter sees many many different people NHS and privately. Every single NHS consultant/doctor/department can see everything. I actually questioned it as I was surprised and thought it was great that they could and I didn’t have to keep going through everything hundreds of times.
This may be a) where you live and/or b) that hospitals are part of the same Trust. I can assure you things are NOT joined up round here. I shall be going to an appointment in Manchester on Friday and they will have absolutely no idea about anything that's happened beyond the gynaecological procedures done within the Manchester Trust. I will, yet again, repeat my medication list and all the rest. That info should be available at the touch of a button. Last time (Nov 2020), the surgeon wrote the notes with a fountain pen on yellow paper.
That’s terrible. I must admit I just assumed it was the same throughout. "I must admit, NHS records are a bit broken somewhere. I took my son to a&e couple years back, first time he was back in a hospital since birth. They were 'concerned' as he was actually coming up with my maiden name as they give the mother's name at birth. Despite being registered under our married name, registered with doctors in our married name. They had no record of him, it showed he hadn't been in the system since birth. And then questioned my nationality due to me having a non UK origin surname (my maiden name). Was a bit strange. | |||
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"i would like to know if these so called social child workers who dont spot this stuff still have jobs Don’t dare blame a social worker." indeed. Anyone can create a perfect family life or faux life... behind closed doors can be very different.  | |||
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"If we brought in the death penalty or even better put them in a room full of mothers 15 mins should do it,I'm sure that would be a deterrent" A room full of mothers? Do you realise the recent two cases in the news were of women (stepmothers) who have been convicted of a child's death? Mothers, unfortunately, are not all suitable to be mothers. | |||
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