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over a year ago
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I think it probably is however it's completely different to a street flasher as its expected and consent has been given just by being on the site if that makes sense. |
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"I think it probably is however it's completely different to a street flasher as its expected and consent has been given just by being on the site if that makes sense. "
Has it though? Do the T's & C's say 'by signing up you will be sent willy pics so don't complain to us'? |
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Yes because if it was on such a site like this, there is no way anyone could defend sending on other platforms such as insta.
We keep saying as a community we want to be accepted more in society and not something seeedy. So if the community as a whole took this stance imagine the impact it could have. I think as a community we can help protect young adults and therefore I think we should. |
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"I think on a platform like this it would be incredibly difficult to police
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Not really, If your first message from a guy includes a picture of his penis then you already have proof of a violation.
I suspect that the mods can view interaction between members on forum or private message. |
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"Yes because if it was on such a site like this, there is no way anyone could defend sending on other platforms such as insta.
We keep saying as a community we want to be accepted more in society and not something seeedy. So if the community as a whole took this stance imagine the impact it could have. I think as a community we can help protect young adults and therefore I think we should. "
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"Is sending a unasked for dick pic on here classed as cyber flashing?"
I think it will be, yes. Let's be honest, it's already pretty rude to assume that someone you don't know is going to want to see your todger - even here. |
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I think sending a picture of your nob without being asked for it is a rather aggressive and non-consensual act (as is sending a picture of your tits or foofoofanella). I am not sure why anyone would do it, so therefore I would say yes.
Having a picture of your nob (tits or foofoofanella) on your profile is however different, when you sign-up to the site, you tacitly agree to viewing other peoples profiles and you are made aware that this is an 18+ adult site. You are actively choosing to view profiles and the assumption would be that you accept the consequences of those actions. |
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"I think on a platform like this it would be incredibly difficult to police
Not really, If your first message from a guy includes a picture of his penis then you already have proof of a violation.
I suspect that the mods can view interaction between members on forum or private message. "
I don't think there are enough mods to manage that successfully |
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"I think sending a picture of your nob without being asked for it is a rather aggressive and non-consensual act (as is sending a picture of your tits or foofoofanella). I am not sure why anyone would do it, so therefore I would say yes.
Having a picture of your nob (tits or foofoofanella) on your profile is however different, when you sign-up to the site, you tacitly agree to viewing other peoples profiles and you are made aware that this is an 18+ adult site. You are actively choosing to view profiles and the assumption would be that you accept the consequences of those actions. "
Totally agree with you. I'd personally would like a function on here that pictures weren't shown unless you chose to click the paperclip or something like that. It is something simple that gives the recipient some control over what they see. |
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"I think sending a picture of your nob without being asked for it is a rather aggressive and non-consensual act (as is sending a picture of your tits or foofoofanella). I am not sure why anyone would do it, so therefore I would say yes.
Having a picture of your nob (tits or foofoofanella) on your profile is however different, when you sign-up to the site, you tacitly agree to viewing other peoples profiles and you are made aware that this is an 18+ adult site. You are actively choosing to view profiles and the assumption would be that you accept the consequences of those actions.
Totally agree with you. I'd personally would like a function on here that pictures weren't shown unless you chose to click the paperclip or something like that. It is something simple that gives the recipient some control over what they see. "
On the mobile version this exists. You have to actively open someone’s gallery to view their pic, otherwise you just see their avatar and profile details. Now some of us have an explicit avatar (this includes me) I can see this changing in the future to fall in line with legislation. One day I will have to pack up my penis and hide him away, given the nature of this site, I will view that as a sad day for sexual freedom. |
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"I think sending a picture of your nob without being asked for it is a rather aggressive and non-consensual act (as is sending a picture of your tits or foofoofanella). I am not sure why anyone would do it, so therefore I would say yes.
Having a picture of your nob (tits or foofoofanella) on your profile is however different, when you sign-up to the site, you tacitly agree to viewing other peoples profiles and you are made aware that this is an 18+ adult site. You are actively choosing to view profiles and the assumption would be that you accept the consequences of those actions.
Totally agree with you. I'd personally would like a function on here that pictures weren't shown unless you chose to click the paperclip or something like that. It is something simple that gives the recipient some control over what they see.
On the mobile version this exists. You have to actively open someone’s gallery to view their pic, otherwise you just see their avatar and profile details. Now some of us have an explicit avatar (this includes me) I can see this changing in the future to fall in line with legislation. One day I will have to pack up my penis and hide him away, given the nature of this site, I will view that as a sad day for sexual freedom. "
I think that is a shame also. Because to me personally I think there is a difference between nude shots and some of the photos I'm sent. I adore sculpture and obviously a lot of that is nude, I enjoy looking at the human form. But when someone sends a nude directly at you it's in a sexual way and that's different. Can't explain it very well unfortunately. But although I'm against cyber flashing I'm not against nudity. |
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I'd have thought there would be consideration for expectations. It's reasonable to use something like Instagram and to not expect to receive naked images.
If I go to the shop I don't expect to see people having sex.
If I go to a club I do. If they were to insist that people only had sex behind closed doors I see less interest in going to a club.
If you sign up to a site like this it seems likely that you can expect to see naked body parts. |
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"I think sending a picture of your nob without being asked for it is a rather aggressive and non-consensual act (as is sending a picture of your tits or foofoofanella). I am not sure why anyone would do it, so therefore I would say yes.
Having a picture of your nob (tits or foofoofanella) on your profile is however different, when you sign-up to the site, you tacitly agree to viewing other peoples profiles and you are made aware that this is an 18+ adult site. You are actively choosing to view profiles and the assumption would be that you accept the consequences of those actions.
Totally agree with you. I'd personally would like a function on here that pictures weren't shown unless you chose to click the paperclip or something like that. It is something simple that gives the recipient some control over what they see.
On the mobile version this exists. You have to actively open someone’s gallery to view their pic, otherwise you just see their avatar and profile details. Now some of us have an explicit avatar (this includes me) I can see this changing in the future to fall in line with legislation. One day I will have to pack up my penis and hide him away, given the nature of this site, I will view that as a sad day for sexual freedom.
I think that is a shame also. Because to me personally I think there is a difference between nude shots and some of the photos I'm sent. I adore sculpture and obviously a lot of that is nude, I enjoy looking at the human form. But when someone sends a nude directly at you it's in a sexual way and that's different. Can't explain it very well unfortunately. But although I'm against cyber flashing I'm not against nudity. "
The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit? |
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?"
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site? |
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"I think sending a picture of your nob without being asked for it is a rather aggressive and non-consensual act (as is sending a picture of your tits or foofoofanella). I am not sure why anyone would do it, so therefore I would say yes.
Having a picture of your nob (tits or foofoofanella) on your profile is however different, when you sign-up to the site, you tacitly agree to viewing other peoples profiles and you are made aware that this is an 18+ adult site. You are actively choosing to view profiles and the assumption would be that you accept the consequences of those actions.
Totally agree with you. I'd personally would like a function on here that pictures weren't shown unless you chose to click the paperclip or something like that. It is something simple that gives the recipient some control over what they see.
On the mobile version this exists. You have to actively open someone’s gallery to view their pic, otherwise you just see their avatar and profile details. Now some of us have an explicit avatar (this includes me) I can see this changing in the future to fall in line with legislation. One day I will have to pack up my penis and hide him away, given the nature of this site, I will view that as a sad day for sexual freedom.
I think that is a shame also. Because to me personally I think there is a difference between nude shots and some of the photos I'm sent. I adore sculpture and obviously a lot of that is nude, I enjoy looking at the human form. But when someone sends a nude directly at you it's in a sexual way and that's different. Can't explain it very well unfortunately. But although I'm against cyber flashing I'm not against nudity.
The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?"
I totally agree with you it all boils down to consent. I feel we all keep saying on one hand this isn't a sex site it's a swinging site but on the other we're on here so we should expect to be sent explicit photos. It doesn't make sense to me to be honest. |
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?"
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me. "
Yet by that logic I haven't given consent to seeing your breast. |
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me.
Yet by that logic I haven't given consent to seeing your breast."
Did I sent you a picture to your personal inbox? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me.
Yet by that logic I haven't given consent to seeing your breast.
Did I sent you a picture to your personal inbox? "
I'm looking at it right now. Didn't ask to.
What's the difference? |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me. "
So block them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Does the same apply to naked profile photos?
Makes me think I should rethink some of the ones I use  "
Looks fine to me 
If it is the case that you're not allowed to show your bits off without receiving explicit permission I guess sites like this would have to change their terms and conditions of membership/ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you don't want to buy clothes, don't go into a clothes shop.
If you're upset by someone showing you their wares, perhaps this isn't the market for you.
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"I'd have thought there would be consideration for expectations. It's reasonable to use something like Instagram and to not expect to receive naked images.
If I go to the shop I don't expect to see people having sex.
If I go to a club I do. If they were to insist that people only had sex behind closed doors I see less interest in going to a club.
If you sign up to a site like this it seems likely that you can expect to see naked body parts."
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It is more helpful to view this site as too separate components with regards to the issue of cyber flashing.
1 - at its very simplest level this is a site that allows people to exhibit their bodies and sexual preferences in a consensual non confrontational manner, you are able to choose to join, view or display pictures (or switch on the NSFW filter). It is a protected space for the exhibition and viewing of pictures and words that are “adult” in nature.
2- it is also a direct messaging service, as a messaging service it should be constrained to allow choice, it does this through the use of filters, by and large, much like any other messaging service, you have the power to choose who can view and message you, however like every other messaging service, it cannot control what people send. Just because this is an adult site however, does not mean we can ignore that it is a messaging service and as such should suffer the same legislation that will occur on other messaging services |
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I would think in the eyes of the law it would be considered cyber flashing . Just because its on a site like this doesn't mean consent is giving . Id imagine if you go to a club and touched someone without permission that's would be considered assault same as anywhere else . Just because your in a club doesn't mean its a free for all and any more acceptable than outside |
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me.
Yet by that logic I haven't given consent to seeing your breast.
Did I sent you a picture to your personal inbox?
I'm looking at it right now. Didn't ask to.
What's the difference?"
The difference is, is that my inbox is my own personal space ergo it's private. My avatar is in the public domain. And that to me and many of the other females here see as the difference, one space is public the other is private.
It's like I would walk around my house which is private naked but not down the street which is not. |
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"I would think in the eyes of the law it would be considered cyber flashing . Just because its on a site like this doesn't mean consent is giving . Id imagine if you go to a club and touched someone without permission that's would be considered assault same as anywhere else . Just because your in a club doesn't mean its a free for all and any more acceptable than outside "
Presumably then being naked in a club would be flashing? |
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Well don't think it should illegal but again rule of thumb or common sense SHOULD tell the males on here ..Unless they ask for a picture of your penis/dick/throbbing hard member/spurting members it is pretty much a GIVEN that they don't want to recieve it ??? and it just leads to being deleted and blocked in our case and that should also apply to the male profiles .one picture of a penis ..ok but many pictures with no other pictures ..bad |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Is sending a unasked for dick pic on here classed as cyber flashing?"
Technically if it is unasked/unsolicited then yes it is… which is going to be really interesting if the law is passed to in effect make cyber flashing the same legal ramifications as flashing on the streets…. |
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"Is sending a unasked for dick pic on here classed as cyber flashing?"
Although, not it's target, when I saw the incoming legislation I immediately thought of this site and those that send unsolicited pictures back and forth. One would assume that any explicit picture - unsolicited - will be caught by this. And whilst it often seems to be males that send over the most unsolicited pictures (never understood the dic pic one), women also do it (in my experience). The legislation will not differentiate between types of genitals, in respect of cyber flashing.
It will turn on the issue of consent, no doubt - and whether it is possible to give it by implication of your presence on a given site. I suspect this will not be possible. Although, sites such as OF and so on, will no doubt involve implied consent. |
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me.
Yet by that logic I haven't given consent to seeing your breast.
Did I sent you a picture to your personal inbox?
I'm looking at it right now. Didn't ask to.
What's the difference?
The difference is, is that my inbox is my own personal space ergo it's private. My avatar is in the public domain. And that to me and many of the other females here see as the difference, one space is public the other is private.
It's like I would walk around my house which is private naked but not down the street which is not. "
You can manage your inbox.
You're not walking around your house naked. By having a naked public profile photo you're effectively walking down the street naked.
The difference is that the street is kind of like Cap D'Agde and everyone there knew what they could expect.
Except it seems a few people didn't like everything they saw. |
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"I would think in the eyes of the law it would be considered cyber flashing . Just because its on a site like this doesn't mean consent is giving . Id imagine if you go to a club and touched someone without permission that's would be considered assault same as anywhere else . Just because your in a club doesn't mean its a free for all and any more acceptable than outside
Presumably then being naked in a club would be flashing? "
No because consent is giving by people walking about naked and that would be expected in that area . As a few have said the inbox is a private thing and unless consent is giving no nude photos should be sent . As I was trying to stress in the club consent has to be giving before things happen between people |
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A way round it would be to move to non-explicit pictures as profile pictures. This is a condition for any dating app wishing to list on the Apple Store, for example. Explicit pictures will then only be available on request and unrequested ones sent through will constitute a crime, in effect.
As with anything like this, it's entirely dependent on a person reporting the image to the police. How often do you think that is going to happen in relation to a dic picture sent here? And, importantly, how often will the police investigate it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think yes it is. Not everyone wants to see that. So consent should be a factor.
Maybe a feature where you tick a box on your profile to show you allow cock (or other more x rated) pics that also blocks them if unticked. Each pic uploaded would have a rating and automatically can't be sent if the recipient hasn't ticked the box.
However if you then wanted to see pics further into chatting maybe an override would be needed at the recipients control for specific users.
Would there not also be another problem created though where once someone has seen your x rated pic and then tturn you down and rejection kicks in and has a negative impact. I'm thinking more about size Queens here who then might reject someone.
Maybe I'm over thinking this.
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"I would think in the eyes of the law it would be considered cyber flashing . Just because its on a site like this doesn't mean consent is giving . Id imagine if you go to a club and touched someone without permission that's would be considered assault same as anywhere else . Just because your in a club doesn't mean its a free for all and any more acceptable than outside
Presumably then being naked in a club would be flashing?
No because consent is giving by people walking about naked and that would be expected in that area . As a few have said the inbox is a private thing and unless consent is giving no nude photos should be sent . As I was trying to stress in the club consent has to be giving before things happen between people "
Ah ok.
So private nudes without consent = cyber flashing.
Public nudes without consent = reasonable expectation? |
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It is by an large an aggressive act to personally direct an image of one’s intimate areas to someone unsolicited.
It is not an aggressive act however to post the same pictures in publicly available galleries.
One has a target (individual) the other has a different target (audience). One allows consent, one does not. The simple act of owning an inbox does not grant consent, by that measure, people in my village, knowing that I was a swinger, could post naked Polaroids through my letter box or flash me every time I walked past them.
There is no such thing as “implied consent” which is why cyber-flashing is being made illegal in the first place. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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There isn't even consensus on the site as to what a Dick Pic is.
There are lots of tasteful pics with a cock in them, but some people still see that as a Dick Pic.
I don't think a full length frontal male body shot is a dick pic, but it's definitely got a dick in it.
I think a close up of an erection being ranked to ejaculation is a dick pic.
But not everyone will agree with me.
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"The difference is consent. There's nothing wrong with nudes or action shots, the human body is beautiful and looking at it isn't inherently sexual.
If you get aroused and share your arousal with others without asking, you're straying very close to sexual assault territory and if you violate consent for pics, what other violations are you willing to commit?
But do you give consent to reading/seeing adult content when you voluntarily sign up to an adult site?
But I do not give consent to be sent explicit pictures and often explicitly what they'd do to me.
Yet by that logic I haven't given consent to seeing your breast.
Did I sent you a picture to your personal inbox?
I'm looking at it right now. Didn't ask to.
What's the difference?
The difference is, is that my inbox is my own personal space ergo it's private. My avatar is in the public domain. And that to me and many of the other females here see as the difference, one space is public the other is private.
It's like I would walk around my house which is private naked but not down the street which is not.
You can manage your inbox.
You're not walking around your house naked. By having a naked public profile photo you're effectively walking down the street naked.
The difference is that the street is kind of like Cap D'Agde and everyone there knew what they could expect.
Except it seems a few people didn't like everything they saw."
It's fine we do not agree that a private inbox is just that, private and that is ok. I have no issues with nudity if I went to a nudist beach I'd expect to bump into nude people, same as I do here. However, if on said beach a man approached me with his cock in his hand I wouldn't be quite as happy.
If having a clothed avatar would mean no cyber flashing that is something I'd be happy with doing. I have never sent any pictures of any of my anatomy to a stranger on here ever or anywhere else come to that.
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"It is by an large an aggressive act to personally direct an image of one’s intimate areas to someone unsolicited.
It is not an aggressive act however to post the same pictures in publicly available galleries.
One has a target (individual) the other has a different target (audience). One allows consent, one does not. The simple act of owning an inbox does not grant consent, by that measure, people in my village, knowing that I was a swinger, could post naked Polaroids through my letter box or flash me every time I walked past them.
There is no such thing as “implied consent” which is why cyber-flashing is being made illegal in the first place. "
Firstly I don't personally consider it to be an 'aggressive act'. I wasn't shocked when we received naked photos from people on a swinger's site. Most of the photos sent to our profiles have included naked men and women. Mostly women.
If I received one on Facebook I would consider that offensive.
If it is the case that there can be no implied consent then presumably a site like this will need to request explicit consent.
I guess they may make a distinction between consents as to what may be sent privately and publicly? |
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And a fill frontal of a naked man we do not class as a dick pic or even a dick clad in underwear but sending just a dick pic to a couple is most times like sending coals to ..and Mrs4 is far more interested what is attached to said dick and for her it shows amongst many things a stunning lack of imagination so the chances of great company and great sex is virtually zero !!  |
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"Get sent loads of todger pics if I was offended by them I would rethink shd I really b on here? X "
I'm not offended by them whatsoever, I often go looking for them myself.
My point is if sending sexual pictures without consent was deemed wrong even on a swinging site. Nobody could ever ever defend sending them on other platforms where there are teenagers or young adults. |
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"My point is if sending sexual pictures without consent was deemed wrong even on a swinging site. Nobody could ever ever defend sending them on other platforms where there are teenagers or young adults. "
I don't see how that can be defended regardless of what happens on sites like this. |
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"It is by an large an aggressive act to personally direct an image of one’s intimate areas to someone unsolicited.
It is not an aggressive act however to post the same pictures in publicly available galleries.
One has a target (individual) the other has a different target (audience). One allows consent, one does not. The simple act of owning an inbox does not grant consent, by that measure, people in my village, knowing that I was a swinger, could post naked Polaroids through my letter box or flash me every time I walked past them.
There is no such thing as “implied consent” which is why cyber-flashing is being made illegal in the first place.
Firstly I don't personally consider it to be an 'aggressive act'. I wasn't shocked when we received naked photos from people on a swinger's site. Most of the photos sent to our profiles have included naked men and women. Mostly women.
If I received one on Facebook I would consider that offensive.
If it is the case that there can be no implied consent then presumably a site like this will need to request explicit consent.
I guess they may make a distinction between consents as to what may be sent privately and publicly?"
You may not see it as an aggressive act but that’s you. Many woman (and I can’t speak for all women) would view an unsolicited dick pick as aggressive, a penis can be used to violate someone and has been done on many occasions.
Confronting someone with this image, when they have not asked for it, is an aggressive act. It states “here, you didn’t ask for this, you didn’t choose to look at this, but I am putting in your inbox anyway, whether you like it or not” |
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"My point is if sending sexual pictures without consent was deemed wrong even on a swinging site. Nobody could ever ever defend sending them on other platforms where there are teenagers or young adults.
I don't see how that can be defended regardless of what happens on sites like this."
They do though, you're wearing a revealing top. I have received such images on non explicit images because I'm apparently being sexually suggestive. Therefore, it's ok to send me sexually explicit images, and I'm a grown woman and can call it out, I'm unsure I would have been as confident in my teenage years.
If I can have all my bits and bobs out on here and as a community we say no you still can't send a unsolicited picture. There is no grey area to try and hide in. |
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"Yes because if it was on such a site like this, there is no way anyone could defend sending on other platforms such as insta.
We keep saying as a community we want to be accepted more in society and not something seeedy. So if the community as a whole took this stance imagine the impact it could have. I think as a community we can help protect young adults and therefore I think we should. "
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"a penis can be used to violate someone and has been done on many occasions. "
So the issue is dicks rather than nudity?
" Confronting someone with this image, when they have not asked for it, is an aggressive act. It states “here, you didn’t ask for this, you didn’t choose to look at this, but I am putting in your inbox anyway, whether you like it or not” "
This seems to be even more the case for public images than private ones? |
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" And, importantly, how often will the police investigate it?"
Its not a matter of the police investigating, the place will be shut down if the admin and mods can't keep a lid on it. Had it threatened on other, non related forums after a change in the law. The admin even had the police at his door at one point on one forum over illegal content being posted.. |
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"a penis can be used to violate someone and has been done on many occasions.
So the issue is dicks rather than nudity?
Confronting someone with this image, when they have not asked for it, is an aggressive act. It states “here, you didn’t ask for this, you didn’t choose to look at this, but I am putting in your inbox anyway, whether you like it or not”
This seems to be even more the case for public images than private ones?"
The distinction you are missing is a very basic one. If you sign up to this site, you accept that there are public galleries full of nudity, you have a choice to view those or not, but by the act of signing up, this was accepted and deemed acceptable by you, you consented.
Unless it says “please send me a photo of your intimate parts with an out of the blue message” on your profile however you have not consented to being the target of any person who feels that sending an intimate image as an opener, without being requested, is appropriate.
There is a subtle difference (I would argue it’s actually not that subtle)
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The difference is, is that my inbox is my own personal space ergo it's private. My avatar is in the public domain. And that to me and many of the other females here see as the difference, one space is public the other is private.
It's like I would walk around my house which is private naked but not down the street which is not. "
This. Your profile, is YOUR profile to do what you like with with, and express yourself.
My inbox, is MY inbox, and I should be able to set the boundaries for it. |
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"It is by an large an aggressive act to personally direct an image of one’s intimate areas to someone unsolicited.
It is not an aggressive act however to post the same pictures in publicly available galleries.
One has a target (individual) the other has a different target (audience). One allows consent, one does not. The simple act of owning an inbox does not grant consent, by that measure, people in my village, knowing that I was a swinger, could post naked Polaroids through my letter box or flash me every time I walked past them.
There is no such thing as “implied consent” which is why cyber-flashing is being made illegal in the first place.
Firstly I don't personally consider it to be an 'aggressive act'. I wasn't shocked when we received naked photos from people on a swinger's site. Most of the photos sent to our profiles have included naked men and women. Mostly women.
If I received one on Facebook I would consider that offensive.
If it is the case that there can be no implied consent then presumably a site like this will need to request explicit consent.
I guess they may make a distinction between consents as to what may be sent privately and publicly?
You may not see it as an aggressive act but that’s you. Many woman (and I can’t speak for all women) would view an unsolicited dick pick as aggressive, a penis can be used to violate someone and has been done on many occasions.
Confronting someone with this image, when they have not asked for it, is an aggressive act. It states “here, you didn’t ask for this, you didn’t choose to look at this, but I am putting in your inbox anyway, whether you like it or not” "
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I don't see why not. If the site were called "JoinForFreeDickPics.com" then the argument might be different but the nature of the site doesn't change the fact that people don't want unsolicited dick pics (as a general rule).
That's why I make extra sure someone wants me to send on first. Like seriously, almost having to beg for it... to the point where they can't even be bothered with it any more. It's the only way to stay safe 
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"The distinction you are missing is a very basic one. If you sign up to this site, you accept that there are public galleries full of nudity, you have a choice to view those or not, but by the act of signing up, this was accepted and deemed acceptable by you, you consented.
Unless it says “please send me a photo of your intimate parts with an out of the blue message” on your profile however you have not consented to being the target of any person who feels that sending an intimate image as an opener, without being requested, is appropriate.
There is a subtle difference (I would argue it’s actually not that subtle)
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Ah, forgive me for missing the 'not that subtle' difference.
So when I signed up to this site I did so with the expectation I may have communication with people that were potentially interested in having sex with me or others.
Because of that it was reasonable I might see some nakedness. Maybe even some sex. I might read people talking about it.
The basic distinction I missed (presumably because I'm not even at basic stage) is that while I should have that expectation on pretty much every single part of the site I should also have had the subtle expectation that nobody would ever send me those very same images to my inbox.
Well now that you've pointed it out I shall look at the people sending those images very differently. |
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There is an irony here though that of all the photos I can ever remember receiving in messages on this site it's been overwhelmingly normal to receive naked body shots first.
Only at a much later stage have people tended to send face pics!
Or maybe I've just had a much different experience to others. I'm beginning to believe so from some of the comments. |
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"The distinction you are missing is a very basic one. If you sign up to this site, you accept that there are public galleries full of nudity, you have a choice to view those or not, but by the act of signing up, this was accepted and deemed acceptable by you, you consented.
Unless it says “please send me a photo of your intimate parts with an out of the blue message” on your profile however you have not consented to being the target of any person who feels that sending an intimate image as an opener, without being requested, is appropriate.
There is a subtle difference (I would argue it’s actually not that subtle)
Ah, forgive me for missing the 'not that subtle' difference.
So when I signed up to this site I did so with the expectation I may have communication with people that were potentially interested in having sex with me or others.
Because of that it was reasonable I might see some nakedness. Maybe even some sex. I might read people talking about it.
The basic distinction I missed (presumably because I'm not even at basic stage) is that while I should have that expectation on pretty much every single part of the site I should also have had the subtle expectation that nobody would ever send me those very same images to my inbox.
Well now that you've pointed it out I shall look at the people sending those images very differently. "
Apologies, I did not mean to sound condescending, however the distinction is a rather basic one to understand is it not? The site is effectively broken into two separate components or services. One is essentially an adult social media site, the other is a messaging service.
If you feel that explicitly stated consent is not required before sending an unsolicited direct message to someone that contains an intimate image then that’s cool, that’s your opinion, as you can see from my responses, I do not agree, that doesn’t mean that I am implying you are wrong, merely that we interpret the issue of consent differently when applied to this site.
My understanding is that you feel that signing up to the site, grants consent to all members to send you intimate pictures (filters permitting) without being asked therefore it’s not cyber flashing I hold the opposite opinion. It is not a question of who is right and who is wrong, they are both statements that warrant exploration, it is up to the users of this sites messaging system (like all messaging system) to determine the validity of either of our opinions.
Again, I apologise if you have felt my words on this subject somehow invalidated your opinion or were condescending, that was not my intention |
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The question is would it be classed as cyber flashing and in my humble opinion without consent yes it is . Just because someone wants to display themselves on a site like this doesn't give anyone the right to assume anything about that person . It doesn't give anyone the right to send random photos to another person without permission |
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Is there a legal definition for cyberflashing?
Is it considered to be an intentional act ie. somebody actively sending an image?
I guess that could make sense. Although as I said earlier my experience on here has been that it's overwhelmingly been the norm for people to send naked photos up front. Therefore if this is to be considered offensive there would need to be quite a shift in how people use the site. |
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"Is there a legal definition for cyberflashing?
Is it considered to be an intentional act ie. somebody actively sending an image?
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Good question
There isn’t a legal definition for cyber flashing as such….
….however the legal definition of flashing is that the act must take place in person, the current definition doesn’t cover electronic communication and that is the loophole that is being discussed
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"It's concerning how many people don't understand what consent is in this thread.
Consent MUST be given freely, explicitly and enthusiastically. "
No wonder some people seem to think that because someone is on here they are guaranteed sex from them. And some people are even condoning this.
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"Is there a legal definition for cyberflashing?
Is it considered to be an intentional act ie. somebody actively sending an image?
Good question
There isn’t a legal definition for cyber flashing as such….
….however the legal definition of flashing is that the act must take place in person, the current definition doesn’t cover electronic communication and that is the loophole that is being discussed
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I'm guessing it isn't possible for a nudist to flash? As in if you're in a naturist village you'd expect to see naked people.
So I imagine one issue will be to what extent that applies online.
The other issue is maybe to what extent a person's inbox can be regarded as their private space.
We've sent explicit photos to people after meeting them. Sometimes that's been on request but other times we've sent them as a memento and maybe that's also an issue of consent?
We've certainly received such images and wished we hadn't!  |
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"Yes I believe it should be considered flashing if sent one privately without them asking or saying it's ok to send nudes.
Having said this I like nudes
You can flash me anytime   "
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"Yes I believe it should be considered flashing if sent one privately without them asking or saying it's ok to send nudes.
Having said this I like nudes
You can flash me anytime "
For arguments sake....your on a train to work when you get an airdrop message of a dick pic....still ok? |
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over a year ago
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"Yes I believe it should be considered flashing if sent one privately without them asking or saying it's ok to send nudes.
Having said this I like nudes
You can flash me anytime
For arguments sake....your on a train to work when you get an airdrop message of a dick pic....still ok?"
I would probably assume they saw me on here
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"I think it probably is however it's completely different to a street flasher as its expected and consent has been given just by being on the site if that makes sense.
Has it though? Do the T's & C's say 'by signing up you will be sent willy pics so don't complain to us'?"
No but anybody with a couple of brain cells can work out on any site like this even normal dating sites it is almost certainly gang to happen. |
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By *abioMan
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"I think it probably is however it's completely different to a street flasher as its expected and consent has been given just by being on the site if that makes sense.
Has it though? Do the T's & C's say 'by signing up you will be sent willy pics so don't complain to us'?
No but anybody with a couple of brain cells can work out on any site like this even normal dating sites it is almost certainly gang to happen. "
The problem is “almost certain going to happen” doesn’t make it right…. Or should not necessarily make it acceptable
I personally never “got” the whole sending a dick pic thing… but I do see the difference between someone requesting one , and one just landing with you unsolicited..
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Yea, it is. I’d argue to say it’s practically over the line into sexual assault territory when consent hasn’t been given.
