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Bennie Ecclestone

By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

So Bennie says he's supposed Lewis is trying to win his 8th championship. He says Lewis should have retired this year and stayed at 7 titles out of respect for Schumacher. Funny why he didn't suggest the same to Schumacher when he broke Fangio's record for his 6th title

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He's an elitist and probably racist knob. F1 is so much better since he left.

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

its bernie eccelstone and he built f1...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

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By *ob08Man over a year ago

Macclesfield

Hes the fastest milkman in the West. Oh wait that's Benny Hill, my bad.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

He's not the only one making a statement.

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

I don't think he gets a choice in the matter. The team says he's racing, he's racing, full stop.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

He's exactly where he needs to be and he's making a statement by wearing the rainbow coloured helmet and voicing out that things need to change.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

He's exactly where he needs to be and he's making a statement by wearing the rainbow coloured helmet and voicing out that things need to change."

Exactly!

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as. "

You're right,it's that simple .

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"He's an elitist and probably racist knob. F1 is so much better since he left."

He's definitely lost his mind

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

A little rivalry and drama makes the races a little more exciting but when shit like the beliefs and opinions on other matters outside of motor racing starts creeping in, i lose respect for everyone who gets involved.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Live F1 but become a self licking lolly these days!

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are. "

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

What's people's opinions are Sebastian Vettel organising the women's karting race in Saudi?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will he get traction ?????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's people's opinions are Sebastian Vettel organising the women's karting race in Saudi?"

Good on him.

It will highlight just how oppressive their regime is.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?"

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's an elitist and probably racist knob. F1 is so much better since he left.

He's definitely lost his mind "

I think he did many years ago, if it was every fully there in the first place. To be fair, he was instrumental in building the sport and business. Emphasis on BUSINESS. He never cared about the sport only the money and commercialism. And his draconian Victorian era management style soon lost its place.

Plus he was just a rude, nasty arsehole about any person, issue, or topic that were not in his own commercial interests. Especially drivers he didn't like for whatever reason.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"What's people's opinions are Sebastian Vettel organising the women's karting race in Saudi?"

That's the impact that people in sport have . We'll done to Seb

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

"So Bennie says he's supposed Lewis is trying to win his 8th championship. He says Lewis should have retired this year and stayed at 7 titles out of respect for Schumacher. Funny why he didn't suggest the same to Schumacher when he broke Fangio's record for his 6th title "
. No one should tell anyone when to retire when the time is right we will know when to retire whether we are sports people or ordinary working people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's people's opinions are Sebastian Vettel organising the women's karting race in Saudi?

Good on him.

It will highlight just how oppressive their regime is. "

I didn't see about that. Fair play seb!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Exactly.

Next to Putin, Ecclestone is probably one of the most corrupt businessmen in the world (although Putin has never run any business, he just steals and executes). Of course, Putin, is one of Bernies best mates.........that's why we have the shit track in Sochi.

Ecclestone has no right to say what Hamilton should or shouldn't do........and certainly can't do it from any high moral ground.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference "

I dont doubt the sport can be used as a platform to support others in need but it also allows toxicity to spread around among the fans and those involved. I dont remember there being this much drama off the track regarding racism and political and social beliefs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?"

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"What's people's opinions are Sebastian Vettel organising the women's karting race in Saudi?

Good on him.

It will highlight just how oppressive their regime is. "

But nobody is complaining that he shouldn't do it or make a statement. I agree, good on him.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

You don't follow football then...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"What's people's opinions are Sebastian Vettel organising the women's karting race in Saudi?

That's the impact that people in sport have . We'll done to Seb "

Yep, he's a funny guy too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian. "

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything. "

The machine is nothing without the driver.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport."

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

That's because people chose to ignore it and it's always been and elite sport . Like someone has already mentioned Seb has organised a karting event for woman which is a huge statement. If football and other sports can address racism why should F1 not do it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

You don't follow football then..."

No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

You don't follow football then...

No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty"

You missed the whole debate around taking the knee?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

Im not saying F1 shouldnt be involved in such things. Im saying the toxicity regarding the racers, the teams, the bosses etc. is just getting tiresome

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything. "

Is horse racing a sport?

Is Polo a sport?

Is cycling a sport?

All of these and many more are sports. You need both the car and the driver to make it work . You shouldn't try to complicate things . It's the same as taking away the ball in football,rugby,tennis etc and questioning if they're sports?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver. "

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"I dont get all these silly off the track politics in F1 these days.

Its motor racing, worry about the sport and less about what other ppls beliefs are.

People in sport can use this platform to help those that are oppressed . You see in in football with the rainbow laces and it does make a difference

You don't follow football then...

No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty"

So pointing out problems is being petty?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty

You missed the whole debate around taking the knee?"

No im very well aware of it among a lot of sports.

I just dont agree with the divide its causing among the fans and the participants.

What happened to enjoying the sport for what is and continuing to make it exciting and appealing to others rather than turning it into a game of social politics?

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver. "

Exactly. Just a football is useless without the 22 players kicking it on the pitch.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table."

Just as in athletics if you don't have access to the best trainers and equipment you're never going to win a gold medal. Lewis and Max have team mates who drive the same cars but they can't keep up with them though which suggests to me that there's skill involved

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

Is horse racing a sport?

Is Polo a sport?

Is cycling a sport?

To suggest taking a ball away somehow compares with using a machine which is the main driver (no pun intended)

I have confess to having worked in motor racing specifically F1 and Moto GP. The emphasis is on the machine it’s components and ultimately it’s performance.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty

You missed the whole debate around taking the knee?

No im very well aware of it among a lot of sports.

I just dont agree with the divide its causing among the fans and the participants.

What happened to enjoying the sport for what is and continuing to make it exciting and appealing to others rather than turning it into a game of social politics?"

The race will still be a race though, you can still watch it and enjoy it for what it is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest."

You can say the same for a tennis racket, baseball bat, or golf club. But yes, the tooling does have more influence on than the result than it should however in the current F1 format, I agree with that. Lewis and Max wouldn't win anything in a Haas car despite their skill level.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It's should be noted that the driver very massively still influences the result! If the average person attempted to drive their car they'd either crash trying to get it out the garage. Or crash on the outlap after going very slowly. Also, even if you were able to sit in one as a passenger, you'd be dead or paralyzed permanently after a race distance at full speed due to the endurance required. So they're still top skilled and trained sportspeople. But a little over reliant on their cars at the moment yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty

So pointing out problems is being petty?"

I didnt say that.

For example its petty throwing hatred at lewis simply because of his sociopolitical beliefs. Or why Ecclestone wants lewis to retire.

Its just unnecessary.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!"

So the driver does make a difference?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No i never liked football, but i know what goes on in football.

Its why i preferred motor racing, not only cos im a massive petrol head myself but i always admired the degree of maturity and respect among the racers, the teams and, for the most part, the fans.

Even my dad whos been watching almost all of the races since he was a kid agrees that the drama we have these days is getting petty

So pointing out problems is being petty?

I didnt say that.

For example its petty throwing hatred at lewis simply because of his sociopolitical beliefs. Or why Ecclestone wants lewis to retire.

Its just unnecessary."

I agree with you there. Lewis comes in for a lot of criticism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No im very well aware of it among a lot of sports.

I just dont agree with the divide its causing among the fans and the participants.

What happened to enjoying the sport for what is and continuing to make it exciting and appealing to others rather than turning it into a game of social politics?

The race will still be a race though, you can still watch it and enjoy it for what it is. "

Dont get me wrong the races are still (at least from what i see) untainted, you dont see any drivers running lewis off the track cos of his ethnicity, unlike i football where you see olayers getting into squabbles and throwing racist remarks at each other. But a lot of F1 is also what happens off the track and theres a lot of toxicity creeping into the sport as a result of ppls social and political beliefs. Its just completely unnecessary

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?"

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No im very well aware of it among a lot of sports.

I just dont agree with the divide its causing among the fans and the participants.

What happened to enjoying the sport for what is and continuing to make it exciting and appealing to others rather than turning it into a game of social politics?

The race will still be a race though, you can still watch it and enjoy it for what it is.

I agree. You must hold similar views around the Azeem Rafiq situation in cricket

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?"

That's the same with every sport,take away the equipment they use then the sport ends

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?"

I think we'll just have to agree to accept that we have differing opinions on this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Dont get me wrong the races are still (at least from what i see) untainted, you dont see any drivers running lewis off the track cos of his ethnicity, unlike i football where you see olayers getting into squabbles and throwing racist remarks at each other. But a lot of F1 is also what happens off the track and theres a lot of toxicity creeping into the sport as a result of ppls social and political beliefs. Its just completely unnecessary

I agree. You must hold similar views around the Azeem Rafiq situation in cricket "

I wouldnt know anything about cricket honestly, i hear more stuff about football on social media than anything about cricket. All i know about cricket is you whack a ball with a flat stick and run back and fore

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?

That's the same with every sport,take away the equipment they use then the sport ends"

Oh I don't know I used to cut quite a dash on the lacrosse pitch without my stick

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I agree. You must hold similar views around the Azeem Rafiq situation in cricket

It's pretty boring if you don't enjoy it

Have a bit of a read about Rafiq though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?"

F1 drivers generally practice from age 4-8. Out of the many 100s of thousands that try karting, 20 get to drive an F1 car and most don't last a season or two. Those that stick out are the the multiple winners and champions. They usually stick out for one or two reasons: they convert a much better than average win rate, or they achieve results "beyond the car". Russell being a good example this season, the Williams car is the second a slowest, and Latifi is an alright F1 driver, the two together average about 15th place, which is about right for that combo. Russell however in the same car has scored points on several occasions and actually got close to the front a couple of times. This is why he'll drive for Merc next year. Most of the F1 greats score top results in "poor" cars on their way up. The driver is rather important!

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?"

You do understand that these teams don't have their own personal training circuits compared to football,rugby,cricket etc where they have training grounds. Please tell me how they stick the best at the front? You do know that there's qualifying before each race,I would expect you to know this better than anyone since you've worked in motorsport

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?

That's the same with every sport,take away the equipment they use then the sport ends

Oh I don't know I used to cut quite a dash on the lacrosse pitch without my stick

Now if you have any pictures of you in a lacrosse kit I would be happy to give am opinion!

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?

That's the same with every sport,take away the equipment they use then the sport ends

Oh I don't know I used to cut quite a dash on the lacrosse pitch without my stick

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Of course I am aware of the testing, qualifying and competition requirements of motor racing.

I am saying that competitors are allowed to practice (qualifying) then those who are fastest get to start in the front. So the Haas team with nil points in the constructors championship will never attain a pole position.

It’s the machine that is everything!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?"

Most probably not because Hass doesn't really develop their car that much. You get out what you put in plus Hass knows they'll not attract a driver like MV or LH ,if they did then they'd know they stand a chance to win and they'd develop their car

So you see my honourable friend you need both the car and the driver .

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?"

Probably not, the best drivers and riders get the best machinery. Why would you spend millions on R&D etc only to let someone who's not capable of winning drive or ride that machine.

I've won plenty of motorbike club races, it doesn't matter what bike you give me, I'm never going to win BSB, let alone Moto Gp.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?"

That's why there's a Drivers and Constructors championship.

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By *Booboo-Man over a year ago

Edinburgh

This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

Time to bring the whole pointless circus to an end. Give a higher profile to rallying instead.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think we've got a bit sidetracked by the old.. 'is it a sport?' Or.. 'but they're in the best car anyway' debates.

All of that aside. Anybody who knows anything about Bernie, knows that he loves saying contrary things to get people riled.. job done

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By *exfordMan over a year ago

You don't think he actually believes that do you? Bernie is the master of controversy, saying things to get people talking. He is salivating at the prospect of an 8th title for Lewis but where's the mileage in him saying that? I'd he said that he'd be like every other person and nothing more would be reported. This way he starts on the news and it gets reported everywhere. He didn't become a billionaire by accident... He's bloody shrewd and still is even at his age.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

I think you need to be a little more than a custodian.

Its not a sport though is it?

I mean the machine is everything.

The machine is nothing without the driver.

I would suggest it’s the other way round. The machine is manufactured to a standard governed by the resources put into the design.

I think Raikkonnen is an excellent driver but his construction team have amassed 11 points in the constructors table.

I don’t think there is a lot difference between all the principle drivers in terms of skill. Courage now that’s a different story!

So the driver does make a difference?

The machine has the final say. If the machine fails the competitors participation comes to an end?

That's the same with every sport,take away the equipment they use then the sport ends

Oh I don't know I used to cut quite a dash on the lacrosse pitch without my stick

Now if you have any pictures of you in a lacrosse kit I would be happy to give am opinion!

The evidence has long since been destroyed to protect the guilty

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really"

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

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By *Booboo-Man over a year ago

Edinburgh

In the early days cars were more extreme but we're going soooooooo much slower. You will probably find that F4 is doing the same pace as F1 was doing years ago.

The sheer power required to push the brake pedal hard enough is immense, and then there's the strain on the neck. Not only that but doing that while being around 70kg to fit in the car.

1.5-2hours of sheer abuse on your body is not easy. Endurance racing is even more demanding.

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Exactly.

Ecclestone has no right to say what Hamilton should or shouldn't do........and certainly can't do it from any high moral ground."

That is a brave statement to make about two litigious billionaires.

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By *hugwelMan over a year ago

Jersey

"its bernie eccelstone and he built f1...

"
Correct

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as. "

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing "

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

Not only that but there were only 10 races per year in f1, you couldnt rack up poles and points like you can now... hamilton is good but the stats fail to take plenty into account.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields... "

these fans know nothing!

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

Not only that but there were only 10 races per year in f1, you couldnt rack up poles and points like you can now... hamilton is good but the stats fail to take plenty into account."
I know the history of the sport very well. Maybe you should do yourself a favour a watch races from those days and you'll see that there were not a lot of safety measures in place,look at how the tracks were designed. Looked at today's races with the possibility of hitting the walls at over a 120 miles per hour .

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

Not only that but there were only 10 races per year in f1, you couldnt rack up poles and points like you can now... hamilton is good but the stats fail to take plenty into account. I know the history of the sport very well. Maybe you should do yourself a favour a watch races from those days and you'll see that there were not a lot of safety measures in place,look at how the tracks were designed. Looked at today's races with the possibility of hitting the walls at over a 120 miles per hour . "

What are you on about? Are you trying to say its more dangerous now? clarify what point you are actually making?

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields... "

If not him then someone else would have done it and that doesn't give him the right to say Lewis should have retired out of respect for Schumacher and break the record. Like I said why didn't Schumacher retire out of respect for Fangio's record?

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

What are you on about? Are you trying to say its more dangerous now? clarify what point you are actually making?"

Yes it is more dangerous now even with all the safety measures that they keep coming up with. Simple logic,it's more dangerous to crash at high speed than it is at a slower speed

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

Point is Bernie did do it... and for someone who says they know the history of the sport etc you called him bennie!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

What are you on about? Are you trying to say its more dangerous now? clarify what point you are actually making?

Yes it is more dangerous now even with all the safety measures that they keep coming up with. Simple logic,it's more dangerous to crash at high speed than it is at a slower speed"

Its more dangerous but there are less deaths, by a long way.... interesting concept!

And if you ask ANY f1 driver what they think, theyll say its the safest its ever been!

Youve lost credibility

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete.

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

What are you on about? Are you trying to say its more dangerous now? clarify what point you are actually making?

Yes it is more dangerous now even with all the safety measures that they keep coming up with. Simple logic,it's more dangerous to crash at high speed than it is at a slower speed

Its more dangerous but there are less deaths, by a long way.... interesting concept!

And if you ask ANY f1 driver what they think, theyll say its the safest its ever been!

Youve lost credibility

So you're saying for something to be considered dangerous it has to have more deaths ??

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

Point is Bernie did do it... and for someone who says they know the history of the sport etc you called him bennie!

Bernie ,bennie ,Betty however you spell his name . You do know about typos and predictive text right

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"This who think that motor racing isnt a sport obviously haven't done any racing.

The physical, mental and sheer levels of concentration and reactions is immense. There are very few sports out there where you risk your life every time you compete

in the early days, yes, now, not really

The cars are faster and some circuits are trickier. Accidents at those speeds they do can be life changing

lol you have no idea about the sports history do you? 18 drivers DIED in the 60s, not injured or burnt or .... but died. 70s saw 24 deaths.... want to brake late into that corner now?

What are you on about? Are you trying to say its more dangerous now? clarify what point you are actually making?

Yes it is more dangerous now even with all the safety measures that they keep coming up with. Simple logic,it's more dangerous to crash at high speed than it is at a slower speed

Its more dangerous but there are less deaths, by a long way.... interesting concept!

And if you ask ANY f1 driver what they think, theyll say its the safest its ever been!

Youve lost credibility

So you're saying for something to be considered dangerous it has to have more deaths ??

Youve not clarified your point have you.

BUT its obvious it was MORE dangerous in 70s than in 2021! Which is why so many drivers died on the track!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

Point is Bernie did do it... and for someone who says they know the history of the sport etc you called him bennie!

Bernie ,bennie ,Betty however you spell his name . You do know about typos and predictive text right "

nice try, but the N and the R arent even close on keyboard

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

saw an interview with jenson button, he was saying how some drivers are great on the simulator, but get them on the track where you can actually crash and they go to shit.... now imagine if you take away all the modern safety measures and they know people have already died so far this season....

The whole sport has been sanitized

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"saw an interview with jenson button, he was saying how some drivers are great on the simulator, but get them on the track where you can actually crash and they go to shit.... now imagine if you take away all the modern safety measures and they know people have already died so far this season....

The whole sport has been sanitized

So for the sport to be exciting people have to die ?? Dear me.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

Point is Bernie did do it... and for someone who says they know the history of the sport etc you called him bennie!

Bernie ,bennie ,Betty however you spell his name . You do know about typos and predictive text right

nice try, but the N and the R arent even close on keyboard

Small things amuse small minds. No point in explaining to you how predictive text works

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

The whole sport has been sanitized

So for the sport to be exciting people have to die ?? Dear me."

So you agree then it was MORE dangerous than it is now? that lewis is basking in the glories of a by gone era? Last death in F1 1994!

And yes it was more exciting knowing death was the possible price... shoot me down for it if you like, doesnt change the fact, risk equals excitement.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

Point is Bernie did do it... and for someone who says they know the history of the sport etc you called him bennie!

Bernie ,bennie ,Betty however you spell his name . You do know about typos and predictive text right

nice try, but the N and the R arent even close on keyboard

Small things amuse small minds. No point in explaining to you how predictive text works"

youre a bit embarrassed arent you, but keep digging, you tapped the N twice and spelt bennie coz you didnt realise he was called BERNIE, predictive text will not change that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?

So you see my honourable friend you need both the car and the driver ."

So it’s the machine.........todays qualifying proves it!

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By *Booboo-Man over a year ago

Edinburgh

Danger doesn't make it any less of a sport. I was talking about the physicalities it takes and how much they train.

The last death in F1 was 2015 but there have been deaths on the same weekends for example Anthoine Hubert killed at spa 2 years ago.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as.

Errr... Really? Think again where f1 would be without bernie. Still driving around airfields...

Well the point is nobody else did it and he did. And he's as entitled as anyone else to pass comment. If he did. The fact you don't like it isn't really the point.

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?

So you see my honourable friend you need both the car and the driver .

So it’s the machine.........todays qualifying proves it!"

If anything today's qualifying proved that you don't just need a fast car but a driver who can handle it well and that what Lewis did compared to Max

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?

So you see my honourable friend you need both the car and the driver .

So it’s the machine.........todays qualifying proves it!

If anything today's qualifying proved that you don't just need a fast car but a driver who can handle it well and that what Lewis did compared to Max "

Max and Lewis are both superb drivers in great cars. Max was right on the limit today in Saudi Arabia and went to 105% of limit on one corner and sadly paid the price.

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By *antasyrealmCouple over a year ago

Congleton

Its ok if ypu dont cheat mr hamilton......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is motor racing a sport?

In F1 is the driver just the custodian and operator of a very complicated machine?

With highly trained athleticism and skill, used in competition. So yes, the actual definition of a sport.

The performance is dependent on a machine functioning correctly. No machine on contest.

I'd like standard cars like in the lower formula's where all you can really do is mess with their setup. That was it's then more down to the driver.

It’s the only “sport” where you get to practice in the arena for a considerable period of time and if you’re the best they stick you at the front for the start.

How many drivers have failed to be awarded points from starting on the front 3 grid positions this season?

Ok answer this last question.

If you stuck MV and LH in the Haas car would they win the championship?

So you see my honourable friend you need both the car and the driver .

So it’s the machine.........todays qualifying proves it!

If anything today's qualifying proved that you don't just need a fast car but a driver who can handle it well and that what Lewis did compared to Max

Max and Lewis are both superb drivers in great cars. Max was right on the limit today in Saudi Arabia and went to 105% of limit on one corner and sadly paid the price. "

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!"

It’s obviously a combination of both.

You put a crap driver in the best car he won’t get the results that the best drivers will.

You put the best drivers in the worst car, they probably won’t win, but the performance will be better than a lesser driver.

The notion that is either the driver or the car is facile.

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Time to bring the whole pointless circus to an end. Give a higher profile to rallying instead."

They are not even in the same arena!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!

It’s obviously a combination of both.

You put a crap driver in the best car he won’t get the results that the best drivers will.

You put the best drivers in the worst car, they probably won’t win, but the performance will be better than a lesser driver.

The notion that is either the driver or the car is facile. "

Your point is somewhat circular.

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

He may be good at what he does but Lewis Hamilton is an egotistical knob that uses the sport for his own popularity. Charitable yes … but he’s still a 1st class knob

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its ok if ypu dont cheat mr hamilton......"

St Lewis of Mercedes never cheats!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He may be good at what he does but Lewis Hamilton is an egotistical knob that uses the sport for his own popularity. Charitable yes … but he’s still a 1st class knob "

A little harsh don’t you think?

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!

It’s obviously a combination of both.

You put a crap driver in the best car he won’t get the results that the best drivers will.

You put the best drivers in the worst car, they probably won’t win, but the performance will be better than a lesser driver.

The notion that is either the driver or the car is facile.

Your point is somewhat circular."

What a meaningless comment.

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"He may be good at what he does but Lewis Hamilton is an egotistical knob that uses the sport for his own popularity. Charitable yes … but he’s still a 1st class knob

A little harsh don’t you think?"

Nope, not at all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He may be good at what he does but Lewis Hamilton is an egotistical knob that uses the sport for his own popularity. Charitable yes … but he’s still a 1st class knob

A little harsh don’t you think?

Nope, not at all "

On what would you basis your theory?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!

It’s obviously a combination of both.

You put a crap driver in the best car he won’t get the results that the best drivers will.

You put the best drivers in the worst car, they probably won’t win, but the performance will be better than a lesser driver.

The notion that is either the driver or the car is facile.

Your point is somewhat circular.

What a meaningless comment. "

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a word I am saying!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Danger doesn't make it any less of a sport. I was talking about the physicalities it takes and how much they train.

The last death in F1 was 2015 but there have been deaths on the same weekends for example Anthoine Hubert killed at spa 2 years ago.

Not when i googled it, who are you saying is the last person to die in an F1 race? The thread is about F1 and not other forms of racing.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!

It’s obviously a combination of both.

You put a crap driver in the best car he won’t get the results that the best drivers will.

You put the best drivers in the worst car, they probably won’t win, but the performance will be better than a lesser driver.

The notion that is either the driver or the car is facile.

Your point is somewhat circular.

What a meaningless comment.

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a word I am saying!"

Unfortunately in todays world its about the machine and the team as much as the driver, the drivers dont even have to decide if there is an issue with the car, the computer does that, they dont have to decide when to come into refuel they dont have to decide... much at all really!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Danger doesn't make it any less of a sport. I was talking about the physicalities it takes and how much they train.

The last death in F1 was 2015 but there have been deaths on the same weekends for example Anthoine Hubert killed at spa 2 years ago.

Not when i googled it, who are you saying is the last person to die in an F1 race? The thread is about F1 and not other forms of racing."

Jules Bianchi crashed into a recovery tractor at the Japanese GP in 2014. He was in a coma until his death in mid 2015. I'm not sure how recency of deaths validates the sport though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The machine failed competition over. It’s not a sport more of a hobby with different levels of enthusiasts.

I will change my view if the Mercedes and RBR drivers are put in the Alfa and Haas cars and they win the GP today. It’s all about the machine!

It’s obviously a combination of both.

You put a crap driver in the best car he won’t get the results that the best drivers will.

You put the best drivers in the worst car, they probably won’t win, but the performance will be better than a lesser driver.

The notion that is either the driver or the car is facile.

Your point is somewhat circular.

What a meaningless comment.

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a word I am saying!

And the fact they use a thumb or index finger to change gear. That is an athlete at peak performance!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Danger doesn't make it any less of a sport. I was talking about the physicalities it takes and how much they train.

The last death in F1 was 2015 but there have been deaths on the same weekends for example Anthoine Hubert killed at spa 2 years ago.

Not when i googled it, who are you saying is the last person to die in an F1 race? The thread is about F1 and not other forms of racing."

The last F1 driver was killed in 2015, a french guy, jules somebody, think it was the Japanese Grand Prix, but could be mistaken.

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

"Hes the fastest milkman in the West. Oh wait that's Benny Hill, my bad."

Love this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Danger doesn't make it any less of a sport. I was talking about the physicalities it takes and how much they train.

The last death in F1 was 2015 but there have been deaths on the same weekends for example Anthoine Hubert killed at spa 2 years ago.

Not when i googled it, who are you saying is the last person to die in an F1 race? The thread is about F1 and not other forms of racing.

The last F1 driver was killed in 2015, a french guy, jules somebody, think it was the Japanese Grand Prix, but could be mistaken. "

Jules Bianchi.

Went head first into a tractor hard enough it launched the tractor into the air. He died of brain damage about a year later after being in a coma if I remember correctly.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Danger doesn't make it any less of a sport. I was talking about the physicalities it takes and how much they train.

The last death in F1 was 2015 but there have been deaths on the same weekends for example Anthoine Hubert killed at spa 2 years ago.

Not when i googled it, who are you saying is the last person to die in an F1 race? The thread is about F1 and not other forms of racing.

Jules Bianchi crashed into a recovery tractor at the Japanese GP in 2014. He was in a coma until his death in mid 2015. I'm not sure how recency of deaths validates the sport though. "

your right, missed him, first since 1994... it validates the sport as danger plays a major role in whether you risk your arse or not and if you know you have a huge run off area rather than a load of trees it makes a difference to how one might drive!

As I said earlier in thread, jenson button said you get promising drivers on simulator but on track its a different game because you can crash! If you know a crash is almost certain death im sure it would impact your lap times? attitude? if we took all the kit away, id have max and alonso at front and lewis midfield... no proof, i cant prove it, just an inkling. Oh and george!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s most definitely not a sport!

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"It’s most definitely not a sport!"

What is a sport then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason.

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By *orace99Man over a year ago

York

"Hes the fastest milkman in the West. Oh wait that's Benny Hill, my bad."

Nope that was Ernie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something that does not involve internal combustion as the power to gaining excellence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason. "

My position is entirely reasonable. Sitting on your arse for two hours pressing buttons and moving your feet occasionally is not sport.

It’s highly tunes mechanics and technology being guided by a custodian!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason.

My position is entirely reasonable. Sitting on your arse for two hours pressing buttons and moving your feet occasionally is not sport.

It’s highly tunes mechanics and technology being guided by a custodian!"

Have you ever driven a car round a track?

What about Darts?

Sport is competition. Not an arbitrary list of what equipment is acceptable. Unless the naked 100m dash is your only thing….

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bit rich coming from someone who refused to retire himself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason.

My position is entirely reasonable. Sitting on your arse for two hours pressing buttons and moving your feet occasionally is not sport.

It’s highly tunes mechanics and technology being guided by a custodian!

Have you ever driven a car round a track?

What about Darts?

Sport is competition. Not an arbitrary list of what equipment is acceptable. Unless the naked 100m dash is your only thing…."

Have you ever been in the F1 paddock on race day.

Have you ever sat on the FIM and FIA advisory panel for circuit safety.

Have you ever been involved in the design of an F1 track from inception to an inaugural GP?

If the answer to any of those questions is yes then I just may enter into a salient debate about the travelling circus that is F1 or MotonGP.

Darts, snooker, horse racing are in my opinion not sport.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason.

My position is entirely reasonable. Sitting on your arse for two hours pressing buttons and moving your feet occasionally is not sport.

It’s highly tunes mechanics and technology being guided by a custodian!

Have you ever driven a car round a track?

What about Darts?

Sport is competition. Not an arbitrary list of what equipment is acceptable. Unless the naked 100m dash is your only thing….

Have you ever been in the F1 paddock on race day.

Have you ever sat on the FIM and FIA advisory panel for circuit safety.

Have you ever been involved in the design of an F1 track from inception to an inaugural GP?

If the answer to any of those questions is yes then I just may enter into a salient debate about the travelling circus that is F1 or MotonGP.

Darts, snooker, horse racing are in my opinion not sport."

Let’s say I have done those things. What difference would it make to your response?

Ok let’s make this simpler. What IS sport?

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

I don't think he gets a choice in the matter. The team says he's racing, he's racing, full stop. "

Do anybody remember the Apartheid sports embargo?

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"Hes the fastest milkman in the West. Oh wait that's Benny Hill, my bad.

Nope that was Ernie

Express Dairies logo on F1 cars would be comical.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason.

My position is entirely reasonable. Sitting on your arse for two hours pressing buttons and moving your feet occasionally is not sport.

It’s highly tunes mechanics and technology being guided by a custodian!

Have you ever driven a car round a track?

What about Darts?

Sport is competition. Not an arbitrary list of what equipment is acceptable. Unless the naked 100m dash is your only thing….

Have you ever been in the F1 paddock on race day.

Have you ever sat on the FIM and FIA advisory panel for circuit safety.

Have you ever been involved in the design of an F1 track from inception to an inaugural GP?

If the answer to any of those questions is yes then I just may enter into a salient debate about the travelling circus that is F1 or MotonGP.

Darts, snooker, horse racing are in my opinion not sport.

Let’s say I have done those things. What difference would it make to your response?

Ok let’s make this simpler. What IS sport?

Well if you had done those things you may have an insight into the fact that it is all about the machine, technology and money. Sporting competition comes way done the pecking order.

If you put LH and MV in the ARR or Haas car they would be nowhere to be seen. Merc and RBR plough huge amounts of money into technology to try and gain 100th of a second.........how on Earth is that sport.

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer. "

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

Bernie who, an irelivance

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

"It’s most definitely not a sport!"

Ive worked in motorsport all my live, at various levels, and yes it is a sport, everyone involved gives thier all, same way a runner would, it is a team sport but every person gives thier all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal"

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

I watched the race yesterday albeit intermittently and apart from one incident it was pretty much as expected. The two most highly engineered machines won, no shock there but most were not expecting anything different.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Snooker and darts count though, by your definition…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Simply, competition based on a combination of physical skill and exertion.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Simply, competition based on a combination of physical skill and exertion. "

Lol.........that’s the OED definition!

The machine expends the most energy!

We agree to disagree like you say no problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

So skiing isn’t sport, the energy come from gravity not the competitors. Or diving. Just do t think you thought it through and are digging your heels in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win. "

After 20 years of practice I would probably give him a run for his money as he has had that experience. I am not suggesting he doesn’t have skill or experience but the machine is the critical component.

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

hes managining to make his team mate look very avarage tho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

So skiing isn’t sport, the energy come from gravity not the competitors. Or diving. Just do t think you thought it through and are digging your heels in "

Dreadful examples I have to say.

The last sentence does not make sense?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

hes managining to make his team mate look very avarage tho"

His team mate is told what to do and when to do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

No one can play football without a ball, it’s the crucial component.

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something that does not involve internal combustion as the power to gaining excellence."

Only internal combustion? So Air races, motorbike racing, drag racing, rallying, autocross, etc are not sports?

So why not disregard any mechanical or biological enhanced sport? Cycling, rifle shooting, Archery, skate boarding, bmx racing, scuba diving, sailing, sand yacht racing, endurance events, horse racing, eventing, dressage, etc.

But hell! If one darts player has better darts than his rival he will win so no equipment. no football, rugby ball, no boots. ....

So we are left with naked men and women running. I like that.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Sporting equipment is usually critical in many sports. Compare footballs these days to old balls the game is very different due to the equipment and pitches. That south African world cup where the ball was crazy, definitely affected results. Football boot technology. Golf clubs increasing the range of golfers. Cycling with their carbon fibre bikes etc.

The manufacturer side of F1 is as valid a competition as the driver's side.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

So skiing isn’t sport, the energy come from gravity not the competitors. Or diving. Just do t think you thought it through and are digging your heels in

Dreadful examples I have to say.

The last sentence does not make sense?"
it’s just a typo, “ just don’t think” . And I don’t think you have. Just because an engine is moving the man, doesn’t mean the man isn’t using physical skill and exertion to compete. So some cars are better, so what, doesn’t mean they’re not competing. Seems like you have a thing against motorsport, and also a thing that sport is just about running around getting tired.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

No one can play football without a ball, it’s the crucial component. "

No very true.

But you can always borrow a ball a £8m bit of kit just might be a tad hard to get a hold of in a couple of minutes.

Next week in Catalunya I will reflect on the not having a ball to play with!

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

So skiing isn’t sport, the energy come from gravity not the competitors. Or diving. Just do t think you thought it through and are digging your heels in

Dreadful examples I have to say.

The last sentence does not make sense? it’s just a typo, “ just don’t think” . And I don’t think you have. Just because an engine is moving the man, doesn’t mean the man isn’t using physical skill and exertion to compete. So some cars are better, so what, doesn’t mean they’re not competing. Seems like you have a thing against motorsport, and also a thing that sport is just about running around getting tired."

Motor racing is not a sport. It’s technology being harnessed to manufacture a machine that produces more power to compete against other machines which happen to have a input from an operator into the end product.

If it was a sport with the required physical exertion your dietitian would prescribe driving at high speed to loose weight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

I didn’t spot this, it’s the most laughable reply yet. You wouldn’t make it 2 months before parking your arse in a wall and never daring to race again, neither would I. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you can belittle their skill on the basis that the car provides the momentum. It’s like saying 20 years and I could score more than Ronaldo. Or ride faster than Wiggins. Or golf better than…, whoever is good at golf.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

Read it again and comment coherently!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

So skiing isn’t sport, the energy come from gravity not the competitors. Or diving. Just do t think you thought it through and are digging your heels in

Dreadful examples I have to say.

If it was a sport with the required physical exertion your dietitian would prescribe driving at high speed to loose weight. "

Then explain all those categories below F1 that use identical machines and apply your logic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thread will close soon, but I’m out, he’s dragging me down to his level and will win with experience. Obviously better at the sport of shitposting than me

going to consult my GP see if he can prescribe me something for the RSI from shaking my head so much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

Lol

You are funny.

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

Read it again and comment coherently!"

yes and yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thread will close soon, but I’m out, he’s dragging me down to his level and will win with experience. Obviously better at the sport of shitposting than me

going to consult my GP see if he can prescribe me something for the RSI from shaking my head so much "

Why are you being insulting and obtuse?

You need to speak to the doc about some chill pills!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

Read it again and comment coherently!

yes and yes"

You are still being incoherent?

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

My interpretation of sport is an individual or team pitted against another when the main energy used to compete comes from the competitors not a fuel injection system designed by a computer.

Terrible definition. Much like a problem statement shouldn’t contain the solution, you can’t define what something is by what it isn’t.

I’d post the dictionary definition but I don’t think you’d get the bit where skill is just as important as exertion, hence you excluding darts and snooker. We can’t agree, not a big deal

It’s my definition and one I stick to.

Post all the dictionary definitions you like but sport in my view is not that prescriptive ask the underdog in a Heineken or FA cup match!

Without seeking the advice of the OED I would be be interested to know your definition of sport?

Put you in the most highly engineered machine and then put Lewis Hamilton in the same highly engineered machine and I can guarantee who would win.

Read it again and comment coherently!

yes and yes

You are still being incoherent?"

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By *hristopherd999Man over a year ago

Brentwood

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

He's not the only one making a statement."

They shouldn't be racing in that part of the world at all,it's all about the money

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

Lewis squeals better than any other racer lol he says I want to race and then bitches the other driver is crazy! Lol

However, who ever has the best horse often wins to..... there are lots if sports we could cull

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"Probably because Ecclestone, like most people of his status, are f'ing clueless when it comes to actual sport.

You race to win, simple as. "

Otherwise it's a fix?

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"It’s most definitely not a sport!

What is a sport then?

Something he likes, probably. Don’t expect reason.

My position is entirely reasonable. Sitting on your arse for two hours pressing buttons and moving your feet occasionally is not sport.

It’s highly tunes mechanics and technology being guided by a custodian!"

Oi! I didn’t decry the man may be a genius behind the wheel …. It’s his attitude I don’t much care for. None the less it’s a fearless man would get into a shell of a car with engine capable of hideous speed that would then drive it to its limit …. That’s NOT just pushing buttons for any F1 driver!

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

and what about fighting the G-forces at breakneck speed?

I'm not an F1 fan, but RUSH was a great film.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"and what about fighting the G-forces at breakneck speed?

I'm not an F1 fan, but RUSH was a great film."

have you read the thread? rush was a totally different era.

Personally like horse racing, make the drivers jokeys and give the credibility to the horse! Let the teams swap drivers to prove anyone can win on their horse!

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By *laymatetee OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

One more win to greatness

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who’s Bennie Ecclestone?

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Lewis shouldn’t race, he’s SO against human rights in that part of the world a bigger statement would be not to race and put his ego of wins to one side.

He's not the only one making a statement.

They shouldn't be racing in that part of the world at all,it's all about the money"

Then the Premier League is a scientific project aimed at improving the foot/eye coordination of mankind. Nothing to do with the money of course! Perish the thought!

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By *iman2100Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Who’s Bennie Ecclestone?

Bernie Ecclestone half brother who runs a safe house for abused children in Namibia. ?-)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good Bennie Ecclestone everyone.

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