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Why is it acceptable to use the term man flu, especially in a derogatory manner.
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I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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Do you get tetchy when you have a stuffy nose 
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them. "
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all. |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all. "
Who are you and what have you done with fiddles? |
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
Oh man up! . "
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all. "
It's a fair point. All the men I know are incredibly supportive of women going through the menopause or having 'monthly issues'. |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all.
Who are you and what have you done with fiddles?"
To be honest I want to call the woman at work who laughed at me for having man flu when I’d not even mentioned having a cold, we’ll I wanted to call her a miserable c*nt but apparently that’s not appropriate |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all.
It's a fair point. All the men I know are incredibly supportive of women going through the menopause or having 'monthly issues'. "
Thinly veiled sarcasm tarring all men with the same brush.
You’re better than that. |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all.
Who are you and what have you done with fiddles?
To be honest I want to call the woman at work who laughed at me for having man flu when I’d not even mentioned having a cold, we’ll I wanted to call her a miserable c*nt but apparently that’s not appropriate "
Make her a cuppa and sneeze in it.
Want me to come and rub your chest? |
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"I think it's a term that's meant to give men an inkling of what it's like to be casually referred to in an oppressive way  "
At last a sensible answer which I accept, however I have not casually oppressed the lady that has said it to me. |
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"I tend to find its men who use that term themselves. 
Maybe but I’ve found lots of others use the term especially in a demeaning way. "
How is it demeaning? Do you really feel oppressed by the term?
To be the boring person, women are expected to soldier on as if their whole body isn't going through huge hormone withdrawals and cha ges every month and then at the end of their reproductive life, when, for some, their body goes through the biggest change. They still have to show up to work, look after their family and be their perfect selves.
Most men when they have a cold or more rarely the actual flu base themselves on the sofa give up living for the period that they are ill and expect any woman in their life to look after them.
Maybe, I dunno.....comparing menopause to a cold is like comparing apples and oranges really. |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all.
It's a fair point. All the men I know are incredibly supportive of women going through the menopause or having 'monthly issues'. "
I think you’ll find that’s just self preservation.
Get on the wrong side of a hormonal woman at your peril.  |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all.
It's a fair point. All the men I know are incredibly supportive of women going through the menopause or having 'monthly issues'.
I think you’ll find that’s just self preservation.
Get on the wrong side of a hormonal woman at your peril. "
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"I tend to find its men who use that term themselves.
Maybe but I’ve found lots of others use the term especially in a demeaning way.
How is it demeaning? Do you really feel oppressed by the term?
To be the boring person, women are expected to soldier on as if their whole body isn't going through huge hormone withdrawals and cha ges every month and then at the end of their reproductive life, when, for some, their body goes through the biggest change. They still have to show up to work, look after their family and be their perfect selves.
Most men when they have a cold or more rarely the actual flu base themselves on the sofa give up living for the period that they are ill and expect any woman in their life to look after them.
Maybe, I dunno.....comparing menopause to a cold is like comparing apples and oranges really. "
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"I think it's a term that's meant to give men an inkling of what it's like to be casually referred to in an oppressive way
At last a sensible answer which I accept, however I have not casually oppressed the lady that has said it to me. "
The rest of society does that on your behalf |
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"I tend to find its men who use that term themselves.
Maybe but I’ve found lots of others use the term especially in a demeaning way.
How is it demeaning? Do you really feel oppressed by the term?
To be the boring person, women are expected to soldier on as if their whole body isn't going through huge hormone withdrawals and cha ges every month and then at the end of their reproductive life, when, for some, their body goes through the biggest change. They still have to show up to work, look after their family and be their perfect selves.
Most men when they have a cold or more rarely the actual flu base themselves on the sofa give up living for the period that they are ill and expect any woman in their life to look after them.
Maybe, I dunno.....cinoaring menopause to a cold is like comparing apples and oranges really. "
I accept that there is no comparison, but I don’t accept your comments that women soldier on and men don’t.
Classic fab answer of some do and some don’t applies here doesn’t it.
I had chicken pox in my 30s which can be a serious illness at that age and made me very unwell, however I took on the main caring duties for two young children one still on the bottle to protect their pregnant mother who had never had chicken pox either.
Some men like some women can carry on through illness and disability. |
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all.
Who are you and what have you done with fiddles?
To be honest I want to call the woman at work who laughed at me for having man flu when I’d not even mentioned having a cold, we’ll I wanted to call her a miserable c*nt but apparently that’s not appropriate
Make her a cuppa and sneeze in it.
Want me to come and rub your chest? "
Yes please I’m sure that it will help. |
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Don’t worry about it…men have to accept that if they get a sniffle then they get accused of having manflu and then the jokes about not coping well with illness
It’s the same for women but in a different context. As soon as they don’t like something or get upset then “they must be on the blob” or “fuckinell calm down love are Liverpool playing at home??”
It’s all good fun |
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"I would not let it "seriously annoy" me.
Fair play, perhaps mildly annoyed is more appropriate. "
It is a fair point. Some tv were adverts banned fairly recently because they made men out to be utter idiots.
' The hapless dad will be a stereotype of the past — at least it will be in British advertisements. The ASA, or Advertising Standards Authority, recently ruled that ads enforcing gender stereotypes are to be banned in Britain. One of the problematic depictions? Ads that feature men “trying and failing” to conduct “simple parental or household tasks.” ' |
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"Don’t worry about it…men have to accept that if they get a sniffle then they get accused of having manflu and then the jokes about not coping well with illness
It’s the same for women but in a different context. As soon as they don’t like something or get upset then “they must be on the blob” or “fuckinell calm down love are Liverpool playing at home??”
It’s all good fun "
so funny! Haha |
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"Don’t worry about it…men have to accept that if they get a sniffle then they get accused of having manflu and then the jokes about not coping well with illness
It’s the same for women but in a different context. As soon as they don’t like something or get upset then “they must be on the blob” or “fuckinell calm down love are Liverpool playing at home??”
It’s all good fun "
With you there and those who know me will no that I am typically self deprecating, caring and an easy going person, but I do believe that if you are going to give out the jokes one way you’ve got to take them back.
That now brings us to what constitutes a joke and what level the jokes are at. |
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Double standards exist and sadly there’s no pointing fighting that right now. There busy trying to make look at women a crime, so I’d just keep your head down and get on with it.
Plus, men rule the world don’t you know? You’d know that if you attended our monthly men only patriarchy meetings |
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"Don’t worry about it…men have to accept that if they get a sniffle then they get accused of having manflu and then the jokes about not coping well with illness
It’s the same for women but in a different context. As soon as they don’t like something or get upset then “they must be on the blob” or “fuckinell calm down love are Liverpool playing at home??”
It’s all good fun
With you there and those who know me will no that I am typically self deprecating, caring and an easy going person, but I do believe that if you are going to give out the jokes one way you’ve got to take them back.
That now brings us to what constitutes a joke and what level the jokes are at. "
Not allowed to joke anymore. Did you not get the memo? |
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Because yet again it’s a derogatory term used to tell men to toughen up and well basically be a man, be stronger and to not complain or show emotions. I personally hate the term along with quite a few others |
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"Because yet again it’s a derogatory term used to tell men to toughen up and well basically be a man, be stronger and to not complain or show emotions. I personally hate the term along with quite a few others"
That's extreme! It would be a laugh not to mean it in that context to belittle them. My friend winds me up when i've been under the weather, You just laugh it 0ff. Haha  |
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"I would not let it "seriously annoy" me.
Fair play, perhaps mildly annoyed is more appropriate.
It is a fair point. Some tv were adverts banned fairly recently because they made men out to be utter idiots.
' The hapless dad will be a stereotype of the past — at least it will be in British advertisements. The ASA, or Advertising Standards Authority, recently ruled that ads enforcing gender stereotypes are to be banned in Britain. One of the problematic depictions? Ads that feature men “trying and failing” to conduct “simple parental or household tasks.” '"
I’m not actually that bothered about the whole inclusivity thing but one thing I do believe in life is fairness and politeness and most importantly look at yourself before criticising others. There’s stuff I’m good at there’s stuff I’m not but I don’t judge others by my own abilities.
I don’t think I’ve articulated that too well but I just think the whole jolly banter of the battle of the sexes is actually an unwinnable argument and is actually absolutely fine amongst friends, family and lovers but not with people you hardly know. |
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More seriously though, the phrase Man Flu is an implication that you are exaggerating your symptoms and therefore being disingenuous.
That annoys me more than the gender based stereotype.
Not that I ever have a cold or flu.
Being a real man |
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"Don’t worry about it…men have to accept that if they get a sniffle then they get accused of having manflu and then the jokes about not coping well with illness
It’s the same for women but in a different context. As soon as they don’t like something or get upset then “they must be on the blob” or “fuckinell calm down love are Liverpool playing at home??”
It’s all good fun
With you there and those who know me will no that I am typically self deprecating, caring and an easy going person, but I do believe that if you are going to give out the jokes one way you’ve got to take them back.
That now brings us to what constitutes a joke and what level the jokes are at.
Not allowed to joke anymore. Did you not get the memo? "
No at all, went straight to the formal written warning. |
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"It's not acceptable in my opinion. Why would you dismiss another person purely based on their gender? "
It happens all the time. I went into a well known high street electrical and pc chain once looking at kitchen white goods (washing machines etc) …:as a male I was completely ignored and had to complain to the supervisor.
I went into the same place a week later looking at big tellies and they were like flies round shit
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"Because yet again it’s a derogatory term used to tell men to toughen up and well basically be a man, be stronger and to not complain or show emotions. I personally hate the term along with quite a few others That's extreme! It would be a laugh not to mean it in that context to belittle them. My friend winds me up when i've been under the weather, You just laugh it 0ff. Haha "
How is it extreme? It has the word man in it so it therefore aimed at men only |
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"Because yet again it’s a derogatory term used to tell men to toughen up and well basically be a man, be stronger and to not complain or show emotions. I personally hate the term along with quite a few others That's extreme! It would be a laugh not to mean it in that context to belittle them. My friend winds me up when i've been under the weather, You just laugh it 0ff. Haha
How is it extreme? It has the word man in it so it therefore aimed at men only"
man flu is used in the context of a joke. No one said you can't show emotions etc real men do all these things anyway. |
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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are you actually seriously annoyed by this? Or is this a joke thread? |
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"Don’t worry about it…men have to accept that if they get a sniffle then they get accused of having manflu and then the jokes about not coping well with illness
It’s the same for women but in a different context. As soon as they don’t like something or get upset then “they must be on the blob” or “fuckinell calm down love are Liverpool playing at home??”
It’s all good fun
With you there and those who know me will no that I am typically self deprecating, caring and an easy going person, but I do believe that if you are going to give out the jokes one way you’ve got to take them back.
That now brings us to what constitutes a joke and what level the jokes are at.
Not allowed to joke anymore. Did you not get the memo?
No at all, went straight to the formal written warning. "
On pink paper? |
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"Because yet again it’s a derogatory term used to tell men to toughen up and well basically be a man, be stronger and to not complain or show emotions. I personally hate the term along with quite a few others That's extreme! It would be a laugh not to mean it in that context to belittle them. My friend winds me up when i've been under the weather, You just laugh it 0ff. Haha
How is it extreme? It has the word man in it so it therefore aimed at men only man flu is used in the context of a joke. No one said you can't show emotions etc real men do all these things anyway. "
It is dismissive terminology |
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In all honesty it depends what kind of person you are. If someone said my hot flushes keep me warm I’d think it was funny, a different woman would kick off. When I was really ill was flu last month I said I’m totally drained I can’t do anything, must be man flu. I think, especially these days, the key is to “know your audience!” |
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Hubby uses the term now and again, he hardly gets anything though as he has an amazing immune system, he had the flu 2 weeks ago and kicked it within a few days |
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I can see both points.
Men may feel that people they hardly know/work with are not taking there illness seriously . Men and women deal with illness differently due to their bodies.
Ladies have to deal with a lot of body changing symptoms throughout their life and work, which males can't actually fully understand how that must feel physically and emotionally, and have to carry on. They too get mocked by men, when it's "their time of the month," however ladies have colds so can relate to men having colds although the colds may or may not affect men and ladies differently.
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I never say man flu to a guy. But my husband always complains about his near fatal case of Man Flu when he is tucked up in bed. And I always get told 'at least you women can't get Man Flu, the whinging would never stop', when I have a 100° temp and coughing up a lung.
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness."
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
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Im all for having a joke around but that's different, you shouldn't be belitted by GP staff that's taking it to another level. |
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
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Should have asked for her name and reported her. Trying to withhold or deny medical treatment because of gender must be a crime |
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There's some evidence that men have weaker immune systems and therefore react differently to Flu and so on. One must assume that's where the term originated from.
I would try not to get triggered by such comments; life is too short. |
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"There's some evidence that men have weaker immune systems and therefore react differently to Flu and so on. One must assume that's where the term originated from.
I would try not to get triggered by such comments; life is too short. "
Very well said |
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"There's some evidence that men have weaker immune systems and therefore react differently to Flu and so on. One must assume that's where the term originated from.
I would try not to get triggered by such comments; life is too short. "
I like to imagine my self like a fine tuned machine. Like a Ferrari.
An old banger will start and run no matter what, but the slightest thing wrong with a £120000 machine and it’s not starting without going into the garage for a service, and then it will roar like a lion again.
Like I said, I imagine.  |
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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"There's some evidence that men have weaker immune systems and therefore react differently to Flu and so on. One must assume that's where the term originated from.
I would try not to get triggered by such comments; life is too short.
I like to imagine my self like a fine tuned machine. Like a Ferrari.
An old banger will start and run no matter what, but the slightest thing wrong with a £120000 machine and it’s not starting without going into the garage for a service, and then it will roar like a lion again.
Like I said, I imagine. "
I’m imagining you driving a Robin Reliant now |
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As a general rule when men have colds (I dislike the term manflu, flu can be a very serious illness) they tell every one..
What is contradictory when they know inside they're are ill not obvious to others and they should be telling someone they ignore or stay silent.
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"As a general rule when men have colds (I dislike the term manflu, flu can be a very serious illness) they tell every one..
What is contradictory when they know inside they're are ill not obvious to others and they should be telling someone they ignore or stay silent.
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Yes. Men are less likely than women to go to the doctors and when they do go it is more likely to be a serious issue. This may be because they get the non serious ones treated at home with hugs and bowls of chicken soup.
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Blimey Fiddles, what's got into you today. Man up will you
Seriously though, when my ex and feel a little unwell they take paracetamol and get on with it. Unless they're really ill, then they go to bed and get on with it.
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"As a general rule when men have colds (I dislike the term manflu, flu can be a very serious illness) they tell every one..
What is contradictory when they know inside they're are ill not obvious to others and they should be telling someone they ignore or stay silent.
Yes. Men are less likely than women to go to the doctors and when they do go it is more likely to be a serious issue. This may be because they get the non serious ones treated at home with hugs and bowls of chicken soup.
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"Blimey Fiddles, what's got into you today. Man up will you
Seriously though, when my ex and feel a little unwell they take paracetamol and get on with it. Unless they're really ill, then they go to bed and get on with it.
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"There's some evidence that men have weaker immune systems and therefore react differently to Flu and so on. One must assume that's where the term originated from.
I would try not to get triggered by such comments; life is too short.
I like to imagine my self like a fine tuned machine. Like a Ferrari.
An old banger will start and run no matter what, but the slightest thing wrong with a £120000 machine and it’s not starting without going into the garage for a service, and then it will roar like a lion again.
Like I said, I imagine. "
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"There's some evidence that men have weaker immune systems and therefore react differently to Flu and so on. One must assume that's where the term originated from.
I would try not to get triggered by such comments; life is too short.
I like to imagine my self like a fine tuned machine. Like a Ferrari.
An old banger will start and run no matter what, but the slightest thing wrong with a £120000 machine and it’s not starting without going into the garage for a service, and then it will roar like a lion again.
Like I said, I imagine.
I’m imagining you driving a Robin Reliant now "
I imagine you pushing me to get me started |
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
Did you take it up with her ?"
Actually I did. Although technically it wasn’t strictly relevant, I asked her to provide pro rata the number of sick notes provided to men and to women for ‘colds’ and if significantly more were given to men then I would apologise to her, if they were the same between men and women then I would expect an apology from her.
She apologised there and then, although I suspect she thought I was being a dick. |
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Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
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"I tend to find its men who use that term themselves.
Maybe but I’ve found lots of others use the term especially in a demeaning way. "
I agree with you FS.
I live by the phrase 'know better, do better' and man-flu has been dropped from my vocabulary.
If I challenge the negative language levied at women then I hold myself to the same standard. |
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"I tend to find its men who use that term themselves.
Maybe but I’ve found lots of others use the term especially in a demeaning way.
I agree with you FS.
I live by the phrase 'know better, do better' and man-flu has been dropped from my vocabulary.
If I challenge the negative language levied at women then I hold myself to the same standard."
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
Did you take it up with her ?
Actually I did. Although technically it wasn’t strictly relevant, I asked her to provide pro rata the number of sick notes provided to men and to women for ‘colds’ and if significantly more were given to men then I would apologise to her, if they were the same between men and women then I would expect an apology from her.
She apologised there and then, although I suspect she thought I was being a dick. "
Perhaps it would have been better just to ask her not to trivialise or demean your health concerns |
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
Did you take it up with her ?
Actually I did. Although technically it wasn’t strictly relevant, I asked her to provide pro rata the number of sick notes provided to men and to women for ‘colds’ and if significantly more were given to men then I would apologise to her, if they were the same between men and women then I would expect an apology from her.
She apologised there and then, although I suspect she thought I was being a dick.
Perhaps it would have been better just to ask her not to trivialise or demean your health concerns "
It would have been more helpful yes. |
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"Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
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That's ok, us men find it irksome when ladies can't control their moodiness and blame the fact they've lashed out for absolutely no reason on their hormones/ being in pain - as though they have absolutely no control over their behaviour....
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When you are the majority in control of a dynamic you don't get to whine about small jokes made at your expense.
When the feminist revolution happens and men become a repressed part of society then we get to point out how society is being cruel against us. Til then we suck it up
I use the term man flu all the time. Women get man flu too. I was bed ridden for 2 weeks about 10 years ago. Since then the sniffles are not something to complain about and if you do, you get hit with man flu comments |
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"Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
That's ok, us men find it irksome when ladies can't control their moodiness and blame the fact they've lashed out for absolutely no reason on their hormones/ being in pain - as though they have absolutely no control over their behaviour....
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"In all honesty it depends what kind of person you are. If someone said my hot flushes keep me warm I’d think it was funny, a different woman would kick off. When I was really ill was flu last month I said I’m totally drained I can’t do anything, must be man flu. I think, especially these days, the key is to “know your audience!” "
I’m always joking with my husband and my young adult sons when they get ill but I would never joke with random men .. |
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"I've only ever heard men say it about their own illness.
We obviously mix in different circles. I’ve even had a female receptionist in a medical centre when I called to ask if it would be ok to turn up for an unrelated appointment with a cold, ask if it was man flu.
Did you take it up with her ?
Actually I did. Although technically it wasn’t strictly relevant, I asked her to provide pro rata the number of sick notes provided to men and to women for ‘colds’ and if significantly more were given to men then I would apologise to her, if they were the same between men and women then I would expect an apology from her.
She apologised there and then, although I suspect she thought I was being a dick. "
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"Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
That's ok, us men find it irksome when ladies can't control their moodiness and blame the fact they've lashed out for absolutely no reason on their hormones/ being in pain - as though they have absolutely no control over their behaviour....
Mr
Have you ever been in so much pain that you can barely think straight? Were you the life and soul of the party? "
I've been in a level of pain where I couldn't stand and was given morphine to cope. I doubt this was as bad as your average period cramps of course but whilst not the life and soul of the party I wasn't obnoxious either.
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"Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
That's ok, us men find it irksome when ladies can't control their moodiness and blame the fact they've lashed out for absolutely no reason on their hormones/ being in pain - as though they have absolutely no control over their behaviour....
Mr
Have you ever been in so much pain that you can barely think straight? Were you the life and soul of the party?
I've been in a level of pain where I couldn't stand and was given morphine to cope. I doubt this was as bad as your average period cramps of course but whilst not the life and soul of the party I wasn't obnoxious either.
Mr"
Come to that, my ex wife suffered terribly with endemitriosis which gave her 2 - 3 weeks of agony every month and she was never hurtful, unkind or snappy with it. Some men use a "sniffle" for sympathy, some get on with it. Some women think hormones are a reasonable excuse for disgusting behaviour, some get on with it ...
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I know everything is very PC now, but really… someone’s getting upset because their sniffles were mis termed? Enough to incite a 100 answer thread? Try this one :
Toughen. The fuck. Up.
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"I know everything is very PC now, but really… someone’s getting upset because their sniffles were mis termed? Enough to incite a 100 answer thread? Try this one :
Toughen. The fuck. Up.
Everything going on in life and that’s your gripe "
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"Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
That's ok, us men find it irksome when ladies can't control their moodiness and blame the fact they've lashed out for absolutely no reason on their hormones/ being in pain - as though they have absolutely no control over their behaviour....
Mr
Have you ever been in so much pain that you can barely think straight? Were you the life and soul of the party?
I've been in a level of pain where I couldn't stand and was given morphine to cope. I doubt this was as bad as your average period cramps of course but whilst not the life and soul of the party I wasn't obnoxious either.
Mr
Come to that, my ex wife suffered terribly with endemitriosis which gave her 2 - 3 weeks of agony every month and she was never hurtful, unkind or snappy with it. Some men use a "sniffle" for sympathy, some get on with it. Some women think hormones are a reasonable excuse for disgusting behaviour, some get on with it ...
Mr"
You're suggesting we make a conscious decision to become angry when our hormones are raging. I was lucky that, although I had incredible pain and blood loss with my periods, due to huge fibroids and endometriosis, I was never hormonal or angry. |
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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Using the menopause to insult a woman, is disgusting. Men in general use the term man flu. It's a widely used term and meant as no insult. Stop being so sensitive! |
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"I know everything is very PC now, but really… someone’s getting upset because their sniffles were mis termed? Enough to incite a 100 answer thread? Try this one :
Toughen. The fuck. Up.
Everything going on in life and that’s your gripe
Oh dear "
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"I get seriously annoyed when I hear people refer to man flu, I cope exceptionally well with the common cold including cycling to work in this weather, but I simply blow my nose and apparently I’ve got man flu.
I’m sure if I responded to the lady that made that comment with,
Well you don’t have to worry about the cold with your hot flushes there would be hell to play.
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You obviously just had a bit of cold not real man flu, if you had actual man flu you’d know, it’s awful. You need round the clock care , drinks, meals , cuddles , occasional blow jobs from a pretty woman, with a good care plan like this for 4-5 days you will begin to recover |
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That's a very reductionist argument. Firstly it diminishes what is actually a complex problem. Secondly it implies that the O.P. is somehow over sensitive which also has absolutely no bearing on the argument put forward.
Your last point presents the O.P.'s point as a gripe rather than an observation. It also implies that people shouldn't care about anything except the MOST horrendous event in 'life' and that is nothing but subjective. We cannot refuse to focus on one aspect of relationships because Joe Bloggs has it worse or there is civil unrest in another country. The entire planet doesn't deal with one issue at a time.
Given time for thought, I now see your comments as empty. They offer nothing but insult. I guess you didn't have anything to say on the matter. Nothing constructive in any case.
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Using the term Man Flu in a derogatory manner is out of order in the workplace.
I use it all the time to people I know won't give a shit but in the workplace i'd never chance my arm.
To tell a man that he is exaggerating how ill he feels is tantamount to expecting a woman to stop moaning about giving birth and keep answering the calls....
Pesonally i'd rather give birth.
Telling an individual they are a moaner when they are ill is fine. Saying they moan because of their gender isn't on.
And if P.C. bothers you ...... ask yourself why ? What is it that p.c. won't let you do ?
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"Because women have lots of reproductive health issues from first period to menopause and all the hormonal crap and pain over 40ish years to deal with.
So when a man sniffles and a 'I don't feel very well' appears its rather irksome and the retort just slips out...
That's ok, us men find it irksome when ladies can't control their moodiness and blame the fact they've lashed out for absolutely no reason on their hormones/ being in pain - as though they have absolutely no control over their behaviour....
Mr
Have you ever been in so much pain that you can barely think straight? Were you the life and soul of the party?
I've been in a level of pain where I couldn't stand and was given morphine to cope. I doubt this was as bad as your average period cramps of course but whilst not the life and soul of the party I wasn't obnoxious either.
Mr
Come to that, my ex wife suffered terribly with endemitriosis which gave her 2 - 3 weeks of agony every month and she was never hurtful, unkind or snappy with it. Some men use a "sniffle" for sympathy, some get on with it. Some women think hormones are a reasonable excuse for disgusting behaviour, some get on with it ...
Mr
You're suggesting we make a conscious decision to become angry when our hormones are raging. I was lucky that, although I had incredible pain and blood loss with my periods, due to huge fibroids and endometriosis, I was never hormonal or angry."
No, I'm suggesting it's possible to make a conscious decision not to take out your bad mood (whatever it's cause) on others. It was the woman I replied to that suggested the level of pain was a reasonable excuse for poor mood control.
In terms of this thread, a guy has rightly pointed out that assuming a man who has complained of feeling unwell is by default exaggerating his experience simply because he is a man is sexist and wrong. He quite rightly said that were a man to make a comment about a woman's behaviour and put it down to her inability to cope with hormonal changes he would be (rightly) be accused of sexism.
The thread has since had a number of women defending their use of the term man flu, including the woman I replied to who expressed her feeling of being irked by a man's sniffles and his expression of feeling unwell. Her assumption that the exterior sympton of "sniffles" justifies her diagnosis of him making a fuss about nothing, and therefore justifies the insult, is no different to my assumption that a woman should be able to deal with a little hormonal blip without making those around her suffer. However, the one will be derided and anyone complaining about it will be met with the instruction to grow a pair, man up, learn to take a joke etc etc whilst the other will be taken as proof positive of a misogynistic mindset.
I wonder if my use of "little hormonal blip" will be ignored the same as her use of "sniffles"?
Hey ho eh?
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Toughen. The fuck. Up.
Everything going on in life and that’s your gripe
Oh dear
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"Simply because it’s what is generally known as a joke. Seems to me increasingly that people don’t get them.
I get your point, my point is that jokes especially in the workplace that suggest that other groups are less capable of coping with adversity would not be seen as funny at all. "
. Anyone seeing the joke about man flu as being offensive sounds like someone i would be very very happy to never meet. |
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I joke about an flu with men and women, how we are lucky to be alive after a bout, etc. Honestly, the sensitivity of some people is astounding.
We have lower pain thresholds, we take more time off and we need more sympathy when we have ailments. It's just a joke |
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"I joke about an flu with men and women, how we are lucky to be alive after a bout, etc. Honestly, the sensitivity of some people is astounding.
We have lower pain thresholds, we take more time off and we need more sympathy when we have ailments. It's just a joke"
You see I was trying to leave it today but it’s difficult.
My view is nothing to do with being sensitive in fact I’d say I’m reasonably confidant enough in my own persona and of course my handsome if not particularly large penis, to not be sensitive or offended by very much. Neither am I bothered what people think about the amount of mucus pouring from my nose; my issue is the assumption that it is somehow ok to take a notion and joke about it with people you don’t know.
I personally have no issue with the word cunt in fact I have used it as a term of endearment to people who absolutely got where it had come from.
I’m sure if I replied to somebody to the question
“How’s your man flu”
With
“It’s been cuntish but I’ll survive”
Then I’m sure that some people would have issue with it, and actually they’d probably have a point, I certainly wouldn’t think they were being sensitive.
Further when making a critical argument you may want to check facts, for example your assumption that men (I assume that was the ‘we’) take more time off sick, even if it’s true it doesn’t apply to me and as for my colleagues there is a significant greater number of days pro rats taken off sick by the ladies than the gentleman. They are all legitimate absences and rightly so has no bearing on this argument other than you seem to think it does the other way round.
Honestly the stupidity of some people to assume the sensitivity of others is astounding. |
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"I joke about an flu with men and women, how we are lucky to be alive after a bout, etc. Honestly, the sensitivity of some people is astounding.
We have lower pain thresholds, we take more time off and we need more sympathy when we have ailments. It's just a joke
You see I was trying to leave it today but it’s difficult.
My view is nothing to do with being sensitive in fact I’d say I’m reasonably confidant enough in my own persona and of course my handsome if not particularly large penis, to not be sensitive or offended by very much. Neither am I bothered what people think about the amount of mucus pouring from my nose; my issue is the assumption that it is somehow ok to take a notion and joke about it with people you don’t know.
I personally have no issue with the word cunt in fact I have used it as a term of endearment to people who absolutely got where it had come from.
I’m sure if I replied to somebody to the question
“How’s your man flu”
With
“It’s been cuntish but I’ll survive”
Then I’m sure that some people would have issue with it, and actually they’d probably have a point, I certainly wouldn’t think they were being sensitive.
Further when making a critical argument you may want to check facts, for example your assumption that men (I assume that was the ‘we’) take more time off sick, even if it’s true it doesn’t apply to me and as for my colleagues there is a significant greater number of days pro rats taken off sick by the ladies than the gentleman. They are all legitimate absences and rightly so has no bearing on this argument other than you seem to think it does the other way round.
Honestly the stupidity of some people to assume the sensitivity of others is astounding. "
Do you think those on this thread who think it's a joke do so because they refuse to be associated with the rest of us who try not to use sexist tropes?
Like being sensitive and thoughtful is a negative thing to be?
All that 'man up' bollocks has a lot to answer for. |
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There has been quite a few comments that men tend to use this phrase to other men and that for me goes back to primeval thinking of showing another to be weaker and therefore less attractive. It plays straight into male toxicity. Something that evolution of the human species needs to stop and quickly for many reasons.
Belittling, invalidating and ridiculing another human whether that being subconsciously or even consciously is a toxic trait |
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Genuinely, I always thought the term man flu was a suggestion that men caught a worse, more serious strain of flu and were too manly to be effected by normal flu so this thread is quite a revelation to me .
I'm also a bit confused about how this thread about flu has ended up with so much talk about periods, menopause and being hormonal as if it's in any way similar to being unwell. We only have to look at a high school to see that nobody deals with fluctuating hormones particularly well. Not that I understand what it has to do with the flu. |
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"Genuinely, I always thought the term man flu was a suggestion that men caught a worse, more serious strain of flu and were too manly to be effected by normal flu so this thread is quite a revelation to me .
I'm also a bit confused about how this thread about flu has ended up with so much talk about periods, menopause and being hormonal as if it's in any way similar to being unwell. We only have to look at a high school to see that nobody deals with fluctuating hormones particularly well. Not that I understand what it has to do with the flu. "
You’re right to be confused as it actually has little to do with flu or hormones but mor about how people find it acceptable to make fun of some things but not others. |
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In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory. |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory. "
It could have been but luckily I was able to contextualise it as the stupid moronic not particularly witty attempt to belittle me that it was. |
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"Genuinely, I always thought the term man flu was a suggestion that men caught a worse, more serious strain of flu and were too manly to be effected by normal flu so this thread is quite a revelation to me .
I'm also a bit confused about how this thread about flu has ended up with so much talk about periods, menopause and being hormonal as if it's in any way similar to being unwell. We only have to look at a high school to see that nobody deals with fluctuating hormones particularly well. Not that I understand what it has to do with the flu.
You’re right to be confused as it actually has little to do with flu or hormones but mor about how people find it acceptable to make fun of some things but not others. "
Personally I don't actually have a problem with period jokes depending on the context of the joke and who it's coming from. My partner jokes to me about offering me a punch in the uterus. I find it funny. I doubt he'd say the same to someone he barely knew though. It's more all the discussion about women apparently using periods/menopause/hormones as an excuse for their behaviour and some sort of suggestion that we're less productive because of these things? Not really sure what that has to do with what things are acceptable to joke about.
However, in context of workplaces, at least the period shits might help readdress the gender balance when it comes to being paid to poo. |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory. "
Was that to me?? Sorry must not make a joke.
How about lighten up? |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory.
Was that to me?? Sorry must not make a joke.
How about lighten up?"
I think there was a much more aggressive use of man up suggesting I was less of a man. Of course I may be a bit light on my feet but personally I’m comfortable with it. |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory.
Was that to me?? Sorry must not make a joke.
How about lighten up?
I think there was a much more aggressive use of man up suggesting I was less of a man. Of course I may be a bit light on my feet but personally I’m comfortable with it. "
Good because I’d say it was pretty bloody obvious I was joking. x |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory.
It could have been but luckily I was able to contextualise it as the stupid moronic not particularly witty attempt to belittle me that it was. "
Actually it was toughen the fuck up I was advised to do. I think I’m tough enough thank you. |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory.
Was that to me?? Sorry must not make a joke.
How about lighten up?
I think there was a much more aggressive use of man up suggesting I was less of a man. Of course I may be a bit light on my feet but personally I’m comfortable with it.
Good because I’d say it was pretty bloody obvious I was joking. x"
I'm not really sure I can take that term as a joke in any circumstance. It has far reaching consequences for men who feel they can't open up about their problems. I'd certainly rate it as worse and more destructive than the term "man flu". |
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"In these times of mental health issues and increasing male suicide I feel the suggestion previously in this thread of "man up" is way more serious than any suggestions of man flu being derogatory.
Was that to me?? Sorry must not make a joke.
How about lighten up?
I think there was a much more aggressive use of man up suggesting I was less of a man. Of course I may be a bit light on my feet but personally I’m comfortable with it.
Good because I’d say it was pretty bloody obvious I was joking. x
I'm not really sure I can take that term as a joke in any circumstance. It has far reaching consequences for men who feel they can't open up about their problems. I'd certainly rate it as worse and more destructive than the term "man flu". "
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