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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity. "
Agree for the most part.
The vanity bit I have to disagree with, as body issues can 100% mess with your mental health, impact confidence etc so as much as I get where you're coming from, there's generally more to it than simple vanity |
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"Absolutely love hubbies cut cock I either, suck & bite, oil hamdjob or ride it everyday xx looks lovely to just my thing x "
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
Agree for the most part.
The vanity bit I have to disagree with, as body issues can 100% mess with your mental health, impact confidence etc so as much as I get where you're coming from, there's generally more to it than simple vanity "
Agree with you completely I was being over simplistic in approach, yes your mental wellbeing is as important as your physical. If that's a reason I would define that as medical, when I said aesthetic I meant purely because you like the look. |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
Agree for the most part.
The vanity bit I have to disagree with, as body issues can 100% mess with your mental health, impact confidence etc so as much as I get where you're coming from, there's generally more to it than simple vanity
Agree with you completely I was being over simplistic in approach, yes your mental wellbeing is as important as your physical. If that's a reason I would define that as medical, when I said aesthetic I meant purely because you like the look. "
Does anyone get it done purely because they like the look? It’s not something I’ve ever heard of anyone doing.
Are you against all forms of non essential plastic surgery? Do you think women getting breast implants is wrong as well? |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
Agree for the most part.
The vanity bit I have to disagree with, as body issues can 100% mess with your mental health, impact confidence etc so as much as I get where you're coming from, there's generally more to it than simple vanity
Agree with you completely I was being over simplistic in approach, yes your mental wellbeing is as important as your physical. If that's a reason I would define that as medical, when I said aesthetic I meant purely because you like the look.
Does anyone get it done purely because they like the look? It’s not something I’ve ever heard of anyone doing.
Are you against all forms of non essential plastic surgery? Do you think women getting breast implants is wrong as well? "
Yes people get it done purely for the look, I am pretty much against all forms of cosmetic surgery where it isn't impacting on the mental wellbeing of the person.
I simply think that if we accept who we are rather than trying to reach an impossible version of perfection we would all be happier as a society. This is certainly true pre-social media.
If someone wants to have surgery that's their choice I respect that choice as I respect them as a person. |
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"Absolutely love hubbies cut cock I either, suck & bite, oil hamdjob or ride it everyday xx looks lovely to just my thing x "
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
Agree for the most part.
The vanity bit I have to disagree with, as body issues can 100% mess with your mental health, impact confidence etc so as much as I get where you're coming from, there's generally more to it than simple vanity
Agree with you completely I was being over simplistic in approach, yes your mental wellbeing is as important as your physical. If that's a reason I would define that as medical, when I said aesthetic I meant purely because you like the look.
Does anyone get it done purely because they like the look? It’s not something I’ve ever heard of anyone doing.
Are you against all forms of non essential plastic surgery? Do you think women getting breast implants is wrong as well?
Yes people get it done purely for the look, I am pretty much against all forms of cosmetic surgery where it isn't impacting on the mental wellbeing of the person.
I simply think that if we accept who we are rather than trying to reach an impossible version of perfection we would all be happier as a society. This is certainly true pre-social media.
If someone wants to have surgery that's their choice I respect that choice as I respect them as a person."
But doesn’t ‘ impossible version of perfection we would all be happier as a society. This is certainly true pre-social media.’ Impact on mental health so therefore by your own definition mean that all surgery is justified? |
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It's nuanced BeardedGuy there is a difference between I don't really like this bit of me, wish this was smaller, bigger, smoother, whiter and so on, and then those who are so fixated on the body issue it becomes detrimental to their quality of life.
It makes an interesting debate though. |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
Agree for the most part.
The vanity bit I have to disagree with, as body issues can 100% mess with your mental health, impact confidence etc so as much as I get where you're coming from, there's generally more to it than simple vanity
Agree with you completely I was being over simplistic in approach, yes your mental wellbeing is as important as your physical. If that's a reason I would define that as medical, when I said aesthetic I meant purely because you like the look.
Does anyone get it done purely because they like the look? It’s not something I’ve ever heard of anyone doing.
Are you against all forms of non essential plastic surgery? Do you think women getting breast implants is wrong as well?
Yes people get it done purely for the look, I am pretty much against all forms of cosmetic surgery where it isn't impacting on the mental wellbeing of the person.
I simply think that if we accept who we are rather than trying to reach an impossible version of perfection we would all be happier as a society. This is certainly true pre-social media.
If someone wants to have surgery that's their choice I respect that choice as I respect them as a person."
Pretty sure cosmetic surgery pre dates social media. I hate social media and think it’s ruined society but only because it’s a platform for hateful and intolerant people to air their opinions anonymously, I don’t think people flaunting their surgically enhanced bodies has had such a negative impact.
How do you feel about people dying their hair or getting a fashionable hair cut or going to the gym excessively to bulk up their body rather than just to get fit or people getting tattoos that have no symbolic relevance to the wearer or even people getting a sun tan? These are all forms of vanity, not as extreme as cosmetic surgery but still body modification for no reason other than to improve their appearance. I would never have cosmetic surgery but I also don’t think it’s right to criticise people who do and pass them off as being vein when it’s their free choice to do so without being judged. |
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Sissy I get your point, I'm perhaps taking it from personal experience of someone who wanted surgery for one thing that led to multiple surgery's, fillers, botox and more.
I am absolutely not critical of people that wish to do it, I think it is not required but as I said I respect someone's decision to have it.
I view surgical intervention as pretty drastic given the risks associated with it and disagree generally with it. |
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"Sissy I get your point, I'm perhaps taking it from personal experience of someone who wanted surgery for one thing that led to multiple surgery's, fillers, botox and more.
I am absolutely not critical of people that wish to do it, I think it is not required but as I said I respect someone's decision to have it.
I view surgical intervention as pretty drastic given the risks associated with it and disagree generally with it. "
I agree that people getting addicted to it is a problem but people get addicted to alcohol, gambling even sex but that doesn’t mean everyone who drinks, gambles or has sex is doing something wrong.
I think it’s the responsibility of the surgeons to spot when someone is getting procedures done to satisfy an addiction and it’s getting out of hand but unfortunately there will always be a surgeon who’s prepared to ignore that someone has an addiction and will be willing to take advantage and get rich from feeding their addiction.
I’m sorry to hear about your friend, I hope s/he is in a better place now. |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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mine was done as a baby for medical reasons, so know no difference, however ive never had anyone complain about it, infact most have loved the fact, personally as a bi gy i prefere playing with a cut cock, dont really have a reason, but in the main think they look better cut, others may not agree |
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"Mine was done for medical reasons, and one of the best things that ever happened to me."
Likewise, was quite a tough recovery but the upshot is that the girth is pretty much along the whole length since its not being restricted by a tightish foreskin. |
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"Normalised genital mutilation "
I wonder what the percentage is between those circumcised for religious/social reasons and for medical?
I had mine done around the age of 3 for medical reasons. I don't consider it a mutilation...
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I remember hearing some years back on a radio documentary that there was some research done that indicated that those without a foreskin had a reduced chance of catching STDs. It wasn't conclusive proof, however there was some correlation between the numbers with/without. The theory being that being uncut meant there was a moist area where germs/viruses could grow. |
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Yeah. I'm generally into cutting off body parts. Why the heck wouldn't anybody prefer bodies with bits sliced off them? I'm a big advocate of cutting off earlobes too.
In case you are unsure, this is sarcasm. I understand some people need it done, but preferring it baffles me, and doing it for non-medical reasons is disgusting. Celebrating it is just a mystery to me. Luke |
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"I remember hearing some years back on a radio documentary that there was some research done that indicated that those without a foreskin had a reduced chance of catching STDs. It wasn't conclusive proof, however there was some correlation between the numbers with/without. The theory being that being uncut meant there was a moist area where germs/viruses could grow."
This has been challenged within the medical community. A lot of advocates site flawed studies that say it reduces the chances of getting HIV, America has the highest rates of circumcision yet the highest rates of HIV infection in the industrialised world. Reality does not bear out the claims it has a positive effect. |
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Mine had to be done because, my bell end is so much larger and thicker than the shaft that the first time that my foreskin was pulled back behind it wouldn't return. Four days later, in so much pain, I was taken into hospital to have it relieved under general anaesthetic. It was a painful recovery, but like I said, one of the best things that I ever did because, the aforementioned thick bell end has since recieved a lot of compliments. |
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"Yeah. I'm generally into cutting off body parts. Why the heck wouldn't anybody prefer bodies with bits sliced off them? I'm a big advocate of cutting off earlobes too.
In case you are unsure, this is sarcasm. I understand some people need it done, but preferring it baffles me, and doing it for non-medical reasons is disgusting. Celebrating it is just a mystery to me. Luke "
Tattoos? Piercings? Yeah, I'm generally into someone running a sewing machine over my body, why wouldn't you prefer a body permanently covered in graffiti and holes?
In case you're wondering that's sarcasm, why some people prefer these things baffles me and celebrating it is disgusting.
I totally get the arguments against carrying out the procedure on a child for religious reasons. No idea though why everyone else who has had it done for medical reasons and finds a partner who expresses a preference for the look should stand by whilst some twat online says that idea disgusts them.
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Didn’t we do this last week or the week before ? My cock is uncut ( check pic) and even when it’s soft the foreskin sits behind the ridge so no sock hanging over |
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"Doesn't seem to be very popular? Anyone a fan? "
Only for medical reasons. Otherwise, if it is carried out on anyone unable to consent to the procedure themselves. I view it as abuse.
Obviously, it's not to the same extent as FGM (far from it, in fact) but it's abuse all the same, IMHO. Interestingly, like FGM, the practice stems from religious beliefs.
We have a lot to thank the good lord for... |
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I don't mind either way.
But I do agree with previous comments, it should only be done for medical reasons or if requested by an adult male due to his own preference.
It should never be done to children just for custom or religion, that to me is child abuse. |
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"I remember hearing some years back on a radio documentary that there was some research done that indicated that those without a foreskin had a reduced chance of catching STDs. It wasn't conclusive proof, however there was some correlation between the numbers with/without. The theory being that being uncut meant there was a moist area where germs/viruses could grow."
There is no proof at all for any of these claims. As long as the area is kept clean there is no increased risk of germs and viruses.
Poor personal hygiene can lead to problems but just that's down to the owner of the penis. |
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"I remember hearing some years back on a radio documentary that there was some research done that indicated that those without a foreskin had a reduced chance of catching STDs. It wasn't conclusive proof, however there was some correlation between the numbers with/without. The theory being that being uncut meant there was a moist area where germs/viruses could grow.
There is no proof at all for any of these claims. As long as the area is kept clean there is no increased risk of germs and viruses.
Poor personal hygiene can lead to problems but just that's down to the owner of the penis. "
Exactly
..and it's not just limited to penises ..we don't suggest that women should have a measure of skin removed to let things breath.
Just nonsense to justify a barbaric practice. |
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"Yeah. I'm generally into cutting off body parts. Why the heck wouldn't anybody prefer bodies with bits sliced off them? I'm a big advocate of cutting off earlobes too.
In case you are unsure, this is sarcasm. I understand some people need it done, but preferring it baffles me, and doing it for non-medical reasons is disgusting. Celebrating it is just a mystery to me. Luke
Tattoos? Piercings? Yeah, I'm generally into someone running a sewing machine over my body, why wouldn't you prefer a body permanently covered in graffiti and holes?
In case you're wondering that's sarcasm, why some people prefer these things baffles me and celebrating it is disgusting.
I totally get the arguments against carrying out the procedure on a child for religious reasons. No idea though why everyone else who has had it done for medical reasons and finds a partner who expresses a preference for the look should stand by whilst some twat online says that idea disgusts them.
Mr"
All those things are done by consenting adults for themselves and not for medical purposes, so I don't see how they are in any way relevant to the circumcision discussion.
But let's just say people did do these things to some babies for non-medical reasons, would you be fine with somebody saying they preferred people who had this done to them? I wouldn't. It seems to me that would be celebrating something that should not have been done.
And if they were done for medical reasons, I still think it would be strange to say you preferred the outcome of somebody who had to have a medical procedure.
Nobody is saying anybody should wait around for anything. Nobody should be shamed because of something that happened to their body. I'm just saying I can't understand why anybody would say it's a good thing. |
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"Doesn't seem to be very popular? Anyone a fan?
Only for medical reasons. Otherwise, if it is carried out on anyone unable to consent to the procedure themselves. I view it as abuse.
Obviously, it's not to the same extent as FGM (far from it, in fact) but it's abuse all the same, IMHO. Interestingly, like FGM, the practice stems from religious beliefs.
We have a lot to thank the good lord for..."
I literally have no words for “parents” who put their girls through that just because someone in a book from thousands of years ago said to
This is why I hate religion, so many people use it as an excuse to do absolute vile things to others
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity. "
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes? |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes? "
Are those things done on unconsenting people? If not, there is a significant difference. |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes? "
It is exactly the same as FGM. It is mutilation of the body on an unconsenting child. |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes?
Are those things done on unconsenting people? If not, there is a significant difference. "
We are not just talking about children are we? |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes?
It is exactly the same as FGM. It is mutilation of the body on an unconsenting child. "
Your post did not limit those circumcised to children. Was that your intent? |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes?
It is exactly the same as FGM. It is mutilation of the body on an unconsenting child.
Your post did not limit those circumcised to children. Was that your intent?"
When is the majority of circumcision carried out? Children. If it is not for medical reasons I disagree with it, it is child abuse. If a consenting adult chose to mutilate themselves for whatever reason other than medical it is vanity or if religious stupidity.
Is that clear enough for you. Please don't play semantics with me. You will lose. |
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"Doesn't seem to be very popular? Anyone a fan? "
I am pleased to have been circumcised as a child. It has given me total control over my ejaculation by taking away that super sensitivity that leads to premature ejaculation. Circumcised penises are also less likely to become infected with a STI and are easier to clean. Ladies have said they enjoy the clear head definition they feel when giving me BJs.
No we can have long list of contrary points from those who hate circumcised penises.  |
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"If for medical reasons no problem with it, for any other reason it is mutilation, to do it in children is abuse, to do it for aesthetic reasons is vanity.
You seem very invested opposing circumcision?
I was circumcised as a child and have never thought for a second I was abused or mutilated. It is not like FGM.
Would I be right in saying, by your measure, ear piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery etc are all mutilation or vanity, yes?
It is exactly the same as FGM. It is mutilation of the body on an unconsenting child.
Your post did not limit those circumcised to children. Was that your intent?
When is the majority of circumcision carried out? Children. If it is not for medical reasons I disagree with it, it is child abuse. If a consenting adult chose to mutilate themselves for whatever reason other than medical it is vanity or if religious stupidity.
Is that clear enough for you. Please don't play semantics with me. You will lose. "
Please re-read your first sentence. Children are not the subject of that sentence they only occur in the third phrase. Your post is in effect a continuation of the OP's heading, "Circumcism", which did not mention children either.
If however you are limiting your consideration to children I would agree with you. Apart from medical reasons children should be left alone. |
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"Yeah. I'm generally into cutting off body parts. Why the heck wouldn't anybody prefer bodies with bits sliced off them? I'm a big advocate of cutting off earlobes too.
In case you are unsure, this is sarcasm. I understand some people need it done, but preferring it baffles me, and doing it for non-medical reasons is disgusting. Celebrating it is just a mystery to me. Luke
Tattoos? Piercings? Yeah, I'm generally into someone running a sewing machine over my body, why wouldn't you prefer a body permanently covered in graffiti and holes?
In case you're wondering that's sarcasm, why some people prefer these things baffles me and celebrating it is disgusting.
I totally get the arguments against carrying out the procedure on a child for religious reasons. No idea though why everyone else who has had it done for medical reasons and finds a partner who expresses a preference for the look should stand by whilst some twat online says that idea disgusts them.
Mr
All those things are done by consenting adults for themselves and not for medical purposes, so I don't see how they are in any way relevant to the circumcision discussion.
But let's just say people did do these things to some babies for non-medical reasons, would you be fine with somebody saying they preferred people who had this done to them? I wouldn't. It seems to me that would be celebrating something that should not have been done.
And if they were done for medical reasons, I still think it would be strange to say you preferred the outcome of somebody who had to have a medical procedure.
Nobody is saying anybody should wait around for anything. Nobody should be shamed because of something that happened to their body. I'm just saying I can't understand why anybody would say it's a good thing. "
It's not about it being a good thing, its asking if people prefer the look/feel of a circumcised penis. I can understand a distaste in preferring the look of something you know to be the scars of abuse but there's not one single comment on this thread from someone who has it done for religious reasons.
I don't understand why the idea of preferring a look disgusts you or is even strange. Anything that changes the way we look, whatever the reason it is done for is going to appeal to some people and not others. Would this thread be more enjoyable for you and give you greater validation if every woman replied saying that they find circumcised penises ugly, that they're a turn off that makes them think of child abuse? Maybe a few sick emojis to help things along?
For those of us who have had it done for whatever reason it's actually nice to know that since people like the look.
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I had it done as a child for medical reasons (head bigger than foreskin, causing problems). I have never had a partner object to it being circumcised, some have preferred it, most have been indifferent to the lack of foreskin. |
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An advantage of being circumcised is that when you encounter stupidity, you can simply say to the individual, "I can see that unlike me, you haven't been circumcised because, only a complete dick would say or do something like that." |
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"Doesn't seem to be very popular? Anyone a fan?
I am pleased to have been circumcised as a child. It has given me total control over my ejaculation by taking away that super sensitivity that leads to premature ejaculation. Circumcised penises are also less likely to become infected with a STI and are easier to clean. Ladies have said they enjoy the clear head definition they feel when giving me BJs.
No we can have long list of contrary points from those who hate circumcised penises. "
There is no proof at all that circumcision reduces STI's and not really that much easier to keep clean all an intact guy does is pull the skin back. |
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"Doesn't seem to be very popular? Anyone a fan?
I am pleased to have been circumcised as a child. It has given me total control over my ejaculation by taking away that super sensitivity that leads to premature ejaculation. Circumcised penises are also less likely to become infected with a STI and are easier to clean. Ladies have said they enjoy the clear head definition they feel when giving me BJs.
No we can have long list of contrary points from those who hate circumcised penises.
There is no proof at all that circumcision reduces STI's and not really that much easier to keep clean all an intact guy does is pull the skin back. "
There are numerous studies that infact do say that. |
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"Doesn't seem to be very popular? Anyone a fan?
I am pleased to have been circumcised as a child. It has given me total control over my ejaculation by taking away that super sensitivity that leads to premature ejaculation. Circumcised penises are also less likely to become infected with a STI and are easier to clean. Ladies have said they enjoy the clear head definition they feel when giving me BJs.
No we can have long list of contrary points from those who hate circumcised penises.
There is no proof at all that circumcision reduces STI's and not really that much easier to keep clean all an intact guy does is pull the skin back. "
Circumcision is not a profilactic. However, you make an ultimate statement " .. no proof at all .." that it reduces STIs. I beg to differ.
Please consider the following examples:-
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907642/
https://www.webmd.com/men/news/20090325/circumcision-cuts-stds
https://sti.bmj.com/content/76/6/474
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-10509-1
I am sure those men without phimosis who can fully retract their foreskin can clean it properly. They will of course have to ensure there is no smegma trapped beneath the foreskin and in the folds of the retracted foreskin. So, all I just said it is "easier to clean"; which it is.
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By *1bttmMan
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I love it! Depends what part of the world yr in I guess as to what's considered the norm/standard. In the US it was quite normal and circumcision rate used to be quite high but think it's dropped slightly. I've several friends there that know women who won't date uncut guys purely 'coz they're not used to it.
The debate goes on and on with at least one thread a month on this topic. |
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