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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Say what

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Say what "

How has it been with you?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?"

has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect "

Every couple or woman who has expressed interest in me has been a fantasist/time waster.

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare

Get out to socials and clubs. Get talking to people.

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By *eliWoman  over a year ago

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"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect "

It's not that everything must be perfect it's more about knowing what you want and being able to express that. Why should anyone (incl single men) settle for a less than good fuck?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?"

I'll supply it when ladies demand it

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By *sBlueWoman  over a year ago

Up North

Another woe me thread

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think the general feeling of entitlement and general superiority I get from you in forum posts probably is not lessened in 1:1 communication, and could be part of what you see as an issue. Just a gut feel.

Try to reframe your expectations of why people will want you over anyone else rather than just treating it as a numbers game. There would be only 2 single guys on here and you could still be disregarded …

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Or maybe it's the mens approach?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well that one lady must just feel super right now

Some single men do just fine thanks OP. And some lady's and couples have a terrible time here.

But having such a negative outlook on your time here will undoubtedly have a self-fulfilling end

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Say what

How has it been with you?"

It was great when I was first here many moons ago few meets and veris, but now I'm an old fucker no so great

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There COULD be only 2 single guys on here and you could still be disregarded …"

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By *aiseiMan  over a year ago

Birmingham


"Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks "

To get that in a month, you’re doing well. Many have been here years without even that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Get out to socials and clubs. Get talking to people. "

That's the best advice. Real life beats the internet. Online is, at best, only a preliminary.

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By *orello-pieWoman  over a year ago

southwest


"Get out to socials and clubs. Get talking to people. "

This is exactly it x

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"It's not that everything must be perfect it's more about knowing what you want and being able to express that. Why should anyone (incl single men) settle for a less than good fuck? "

Yep. I'm not everybody's type. It's just a matter of patience, though, because I am some people's type. Everybody is. I think a lot of men join this site thinking that they should get a free introductory shag as a joining offer.

I don't really use Fab to make contact. I use it to keep in touch with people I meet at socials and clubs.

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By *ynecplCouple  over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

All meetings be they as a couple of a single require an element of luck but also a bit of persistence and an element of making your own luck.

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By *aggy dollsCouple  over a year ago

Bradford

On the bright side, you dont need to change your bedding everyday

Mr Hayes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?"

I like how sexual interaction is described as ‘supply and demand’ nice.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?

I like how sexual interaction is described as ‘supply and demand’ nice. "

It may not be eloquent but its not completely inaccurate.

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By *ollycouple71Couple  over a year ago

manchester


"Get out to socials and clubs. Get talking to people. "
This

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect

It's not that everything must be perfect it's more about knowing what you want and being able to express that. Why should anyone (incl single men) settle for a less than good fuck? "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?"

Or attraction and it's variables?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks "

If you always blame something such as luck you will never figure out why you aren’t getting meets and it will always be the excuse

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect

Every couple or woman who has expressed interest in me has been a fantasist/time waster."

. They all are. This is mainly a site full of attention seekers and keyboard wankers with,thankfully, just a few people genuinely looking to actually meet.

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By *aggy dollsCouple  over a year ago

Bradford


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand?

Or attraction and it's variables? "

Surely it can't be anything sensible like that.

Mr Hayes.

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By *ucka39Man  over a year ago

Newcastle

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By *ucka39Man  over a year ago

Newcastle

Theirs someone out there for everyone so why the need to rush my experience here has been an eventful one because I am looking for someone who we both end up enjoying the company with that may lead elsewhere respectfully and even if it doesn't still has been lovely chatting with whomever it's my normal way how I act so nope not bottom not middle but in a comfortable zone And have no expectations everything is a bonus

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"They all are. This is mainly a site full of attention seekers and keyboard wankers with,thankfully, just a few people genuinely looking to actually meet. "

Just a few people genuinely wanting to actually meet you, you mean. If someone's not attracted to you, that doesn't make them an attention seeker, keyboard wanker or time waster. I'm getting a sense of entitlement from your reply. You're basically saying if they don't want to knob you, they must be a fake or a fantasist.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just a wee observation here, but you’ve just shot yourself in the foot. As you are saying straight guys are at the bottom of the pile, then you go get yourself verified with a guy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect

Every couple or woman who has expressed interest in me has been a fantasist/time waster.. They all are. This is mainly a site full of attention seekers and keyboard wankers with,thankfully, just a few people genuinely looking to actually meet. "

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By *agerMorganMan  over a year ago

Canvey Island

Is it luck?

More of a supply/demand & attitude problem at play here.

Also: you do not speak for me as a single guy.

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare

One thing I will note is that these single guy posts all seem to be about the sex. Swinging is so much more than sex. I went for a curry last night with my partner and a swinging friend of ours. We didn't play, although some of the conversation was hilarious and hair raising. Next week, a few of us are going bowling.

The friends I've made while swinging are some of the best, closest friends I have, because we can talk to each other about ANYTHING. If you want to have a nice time on Fab, it's social. Be sociable.

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By *aggy dollsCouple  over a year ago

Bradford


"One thing I will note is that these single guy posts all seem to be about the sex. Swinging is so much more than sex. I went for a curry last night with my partner and a swinging friend of ours. We didn't play, although some of the conversation was hilarious and hair raising. Next week, a few of us are going bowling.

The friends I've made while swinging are some of the best, closest friends I have, because we can talk to each other about ANYTHING. If you want to have a nice time on Fab, it's social. Be sociable. "

Well said that man

Mr Hayes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Another woe me thread"

Must be the most common theme of newly posted threads on here.

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By *hunkymonkey81Man  over a year ago

Sheffield

Patience the key i think

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"All meetings be they as a couple of a single require an element of luck but also a bit of persistence and an element of making your own luck."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks

To get that in a month, you’re doing well. Many have been here years without even that."

Are you serious?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Just a wee observation here, but you’ve just shot yourself in the foot. As you are saying straight guys are at the bottom of the pile, then you go get yourself verified with a guy "

If you notice its a couple.

And I kinda later didn't crave the idea of being with another couple.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It's not that everything must be perfect it's more about knowing what you want and being able to express that. Why should anyone (incl single men) settle for a less than good fuck?

Yep. I'm not everybody's type. It's just a matter of patience, though, because I am some people's type. Everybody is. I think a lot of men join this site thinking that they should get a free introductory shag as a joining offer.

I don't really use Fab to make contact. I use it to keep in touch with people I meet at socials and clubs. "

This I guess is the most sensible way forward

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect

It's not that everything must be perfect it's more about knowing what you want and being able to express that. Why should anyone (incl single men) settle for a less than good fuck? "

You are right. But men would never know what a woman wants right? We just got to keep trying.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Patience the key i think"

Yeah, and persistence

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just a wee observation here, but you’ve just shot yourself in the foot. As you are saying straight guys are at the bottom of the pile, then you go get yourself verified with a guy

If you notice its a couple.

And I kinda later didn't crave the idea of being with another couple."

It’s a man?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can’t relate, but single men definitely aren’t at the bottom of my pile. Even the ones that get a bit bitter and aggy to people I try and understand what brought them there.

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By *sBlueWoman  over a year ago

Up North


"Patience the key i think

Yeah, and persistence "

That sounds desperate. Go to clubs meet some people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just a wee observation here, but you’ve just shot yourself in the foot. As you are saying straight guys are at the bottom of the pile, then you go get yourself verified with a guy

If you notice its a couple.

And I kinda later didn't crave the idea of being with another couple."

I hate to burst the bubble but that’s just a guys profile

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"They all are. This is mainly a site full of attention seekers and keyboard wankers with,thankfully, just a few people genuinely looking to actually meet.

Just a few people genuinely wanting to actually meet you, you mean. If someone's not attracted to you, that doesn't make them an attention seeker, keyboard wanker or time waster. I'm getting a sense of entitlement from your reply. You're basically saying if they don't want to knob you, they must be a fake or a fantasist. "

. I base my comments on being on the site for several years and experiencing the endless stream of people asking to meet and immediately disappearing, asking for cam or phone play , and simply seeing how few people have verifications from actually meeting. So your somewhat smug rude comments are actually quite wrong. Perhaps have a look at my verifications on fabguys to see if people are meeting me.

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By *ver the hill for fabMan  over a year ago

LONDON

In the interest of democracy and British fair play i think one day a month should be dedicated to single men too be picked at random by all females on this site for sex that would stop them complaining about not getting any who agrees with me

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"I base my comments on being on the site for several years and experiencing the endless stream of people asking to meet and immediately disappearing, asking for cam or phone play , and simply seeing how few people have verifications from actually meeting. So your somewhat smug rude comments are actually quite wrong. Perhaps have a look at my verifications on fabguys to see if people are meeting me. "

I'm not on fabguys, but isn't that a site exclusively for men? This thread is about meeting women and couples. Different situation entirely. I'm sure you're doing fine over there because there's never a shortage of blokes who want their puds pulled.

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By *sBlueWoman  over a year ago

Up North


"They all are. This is mainly a site full of attention seekers and keyboard wankers with,thankfully, just a few people genuinely looking to actually meet.

Just a few people genuinely wanting to actually meet you, you mean. If someone's not attracted to you, that doesn't make them an attention seeker, keyboard wanker or time waster. I'm getting a sense of entitlement from your reply. You're basically saying if they don't want to knob you, they must be a fake or a fantasist. "

Too many on here using that excuse that everyone is a time waster etc if they won’t meet

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"In the interest of democracy and British fair play i think one day a month should be dedicated to single men too be picked at random by all females on this site for sex that would stop them complaining about not getting any who agrees with me "

Women should just pick a single bloke at random and give him a pity shag? I'm assuming you're joking, but it's hard to tell on here sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Just a wee observation here, but you’ve just shot yourself in the foot. As you are saying straight guys are at the bottom of the pile, then you go get yourself verified with a guy

If you notice its a couple.

And I kinda later didn't crave the idea of being with another couple.

It’s a man?"

Nah, he had his lady.

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By *uenevereWoman  over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks "

You've only been here a month and had 2 meets already. Albeit not with women.

I'd say that's pretty good going.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Well that one lady must just feel super right now

Some single men do just fine thanks OP. And some lady's and couples have a terrible time here.

But having such a negative outlook on your time here will undoubtedly have a self-fulfilling end "

I am in no way negative about the experience. Life is meant to be filled with experiences

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"They all are. This is mainly a site full of attention seekers and keyboard wankers with,thankfully, just a few people genuinely looking to actually meet.

Just a few people genuinely wanting to actually meet you, you mean. If someone's not attracted to you, that doesn't make them an attention seeker, keyboard wanker or time waster. I'm getting a sense of entitlement from your reply. You're basically saying if they don't want to knob you, they must be a fake or a fantasist.

Too many on here using that excuse that everyone is a time waster etc if they won’t meet"

Absolutely

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS  over a year ago

Carlisle

No it's if you vibe with someone too. You can't just expect to get what you want! No one is entitled and being too demanding can be a turn off. I'm sure plenty of guys have had knock backs but they still get meets?

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By *ookingaboutMan  over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I find being able to accommodate is huge bonus

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare

OP, I've just looked at your veri of the person who verified you. People who look at your profile and follow a veri trail might find "Got a hot Mrs that looks like a virgin. Mmmm" somewhat icky and off-putting. Hope this helps.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

While I agree men do have it tough on here, their expectations are way too high. This is not a guranteed sex website, it's about being lucky enough to make connections with the right people and believe me it's not that easy just because you have a vagina either.

We would all get on a lot better here if we read the profiles, only messaged people who are likely to be a match, don't take rejection as a personal attack and just have fun. You win some, you lose some. It's not that deep.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"While I agree men do have it tough on here, their expectations are way too high. This is not a guranteed sex website, it's about being lucky enough to make connections with the right people and believe me it's not that easy just because you have a vagina either.

We would all get on a lot better here if we read the profiles, only messaged people who are likely to be a match, don't take rejection as a personal attack and just have fun. You win some, you lose some. It's not that deep."

Naaah, never took a rejection as an attack. Come on, I am 38 and a professional.

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"We would all get on a lot better here if we read the profiles, only messaged people who are likely to be a match, don't take rejection as a personal attack and just have fun. You win some, you lose some. It's not that deep."

Absolutely. If someone says they're not interested, I wish them well with what they're looking for. Why be any other way?

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"Naaah, never took a rejection as an attack. Come on, I am 38 and a professional. "

A professional what?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OP, I've just looked at your veri of the person who verified you. People who look at your profile and follow a veri trail might find "Got a hot Mrs that looks like a virgin. Mmmm" somewhat icky and off-putting. Hope this helps. "

Eeeew I just looked at that. Gave me Rochdale vibes.

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By *lex46TV/TS  over a year ago

Near Wells


"I base my comments on being on the site for several years and experiencing the endless stream of people asking to meet and immediately disappearing, asking for cam or phone play , and simply seeing how few people have verifications from actually meeting. So your somewhat smug rude comments are actually quite wrong. Perhaps have a look at my verifications on fabguys to see if people are meeting me.

I'm not on fabguys, but isn't that a site exclusively for men? This thread is about meeting women and couples. Different situation entirely. I'm sure you're doing fine over there because there's never a shortage of blokes who want their puds pulled."

Don't start that Fabguys is for men (which I am one). But quite a few guys on there are moaning about girls like me being there.

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By *izzy.miss.lizzyCouple  over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

the bi women I seek are thin on the ground for me at present

I guess some of that is still on-going from the pandemic fall out, people seem to want to chat and perv on line rather that get up close and personal,

Hope things improve for us all soon x

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS  over a year ago

Carlisle


"OP, I've just looked at your veri of the person who verified you. People who look at your profile and follow a veri trail might find "Got a hot Mrs that looks like a virgin. Mmmm" somewhat icky and off-putting. Hope this helps. "
Just seen it

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"the bi women I seek are thin on the ground for me at present

I guess some of that is still on-going from the pandemic fall out, people seem to want to chat and perv on line rather that get up close and personal,

Hope things improve for us all soon x"

You are right. Hope it improves some asap. Looks like lockdown restrictions forced people into an introvert lifestyle

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"Gave me Rochdale vibes. "

And you don't mean the folk songs and comedy of Mike Harding.

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"You are right. Hope it improves some asap. Looks like lockdown restrictions forced people into an introvert lifestyle "

Oddly, since the easing of lockdown, there's been a blossoming of fun, but it's mainly been in clubs. People are glad to get out and about again.

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By *sBlueWoman  over a year ago

Up North


"You are right. Hope it improves some asap. Looks like lockdown restrictions forced people into an introvert lifestyle

Oddly, since the easing of lockdown, there's been a blossoming of fun, but it's mainly been in clubs. People are glad to get out and about again. "

Agree clubs are very busy.

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By *hroatQueen_CATV/TS  over a year ago

Carlisle


"Theirs someone out there for everyone so why the need to rush my experience here has been an eventful one because I am looking for someone who we both end up enjoying the company with that may lead elsewhere respectfully and even if it doesn't still has been lovely chatting with whomever it's my normal way how I act so nope not bottom not middle but in a comfortable zone And have no expectations everything is a bonus "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect "

Trust me gonna get far worse. As days go by in to the future.

De humanisation in full flow.

Matrix will be like Nursery time!

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By *2000ManMan  over a year ago

Worthing

o/p just see fab as a social club.

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"Agree clubs are very busy. "

We're off out tonight. Looking forward to seeing everyone. If any play happens, lovely, but if not, it's just a nice night out.

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By *entleman JayMan  over a year ago

Wakefield

I’m a straight bloke and I do ok!

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By *ogerBottomsMan  over a year ago

Aberdare


"I’m a straight bloke and I do ok! "

Same. You've obviously got a good attitude to it all.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect "

Of course it has to be perfect, I'd rather never have sex again than shag someone who doesn't quite do it for me.

Stop blaming others for your lack of success.

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham

1 a month? Your doing alright. Humble brag!

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By *hrista BellendWoman  over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Its not luck it's compatability.

There has to be attraction...

Lots of good looking single men are very successful on here, you can be as skilled as you like but at the end of the day if the ladies don't find any attraction with a man then it's a no.

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By *uitednbooted2Man  over a year ago

Berkshire

I do really well on Fab, but it’s taken along time to get to this position. Definitely not luck just time and effort. Pays off eventually

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By *sBlueWoman  over a year ago

Up North


"Agree clubs are very busy.

We're off out tonight. Looking forward to seeing everyone. If any play happens, lovely, but if not, it's just a nice night out. "

Me too. Enjoy

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By *eyond PurityCouple  over a year ago

Lincolnshire

It’s effort not luck that will get you what you want.

FAB supplies the tools for you to be as successful/unsuccessful as you want. Sell yourself/don’t sell yourself. Go to clubs/don’t go to clubs, socials, etc.

It’s all there for you to make the most of. If people aren’t successful then it’ll be because of themselves, no anyone else’s fault.

I’ll guarantee that the ones who moan about this site are the ones not using all the tools available to them.

We’ve been to parties, socials, clubs and chatted to a lot of people. We’ve made our profile (hopefully) look appealing and thought about our pics…it’s taken time but we are having a fantastic time!

K

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"One thing I will note is that these single guy posts all seem to be about the sex. Swinging is so much more than sex. I went for a curry last night with my partner and a swinging friend of ours. We didn't play, although some of the conversation was hilarious and hair raising. Next week, a few of us are going bowling.

The friends I've made while swinging are some of the best, closest friends I have, because we can talk to each other about ANYTHING. If you want to have a nice time on Fab, it's social. Be sociable. "

I think this is the point a lot of single guys miss, it's not dial a ride a lot of people are here for the social side. I've had one meet this year and that's by choice, I've chatted to a good few but I'm honestly past the stage of a random shag, someone else get to.socials etc. I love the social side to fab and I've made some great friends.

As the saying goes you get what you put into and heres the same.

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By *iscean_dreamMan  over a year ago

Llanelli

I do ok myself, I don't just shag everyone that shows interest in me though and I've been here almost 3 years.

If you can communicate well and not wave your dick around thinking it's some kind of magical wand then it's a good start

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it luck?

Or is it simply supply and demand? has to be supply and demand. Moreover people are so mechanised, they even look for references lol. Matrix movie in the real world. Everything must be perfect

It's not that everything must be perfect it's more about knowing what you want and being able to express that. Why should anyone (incl single men) settle for a less than good fuck? "

Here here! Couldn't agree more

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By *nnocentimesMan  over a year ago

over there by that tree

Op you need tinder if you want Insta-shag, dude seriously…

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks "

You right OP. Pyramid cannot be build without foundation covering large area, and we (singles) are foundation stone so othera can climb to top Cheers

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By *aiseiMan  over a year ago

Birmingham


"Straight men are probably at the bottom on the luck list around here. I can say that safely cos in over a month it's been just 1 lady trying to get under the sheets with me. Anyway, beautiful profiles keep us going, and we shall beat the odds with our persistency.

Happy fabbing folks

To get that in a month, you’re doing well. Many have been here years without even that.

Are you serious?"

Yes, entirely. A quick search on the forums and you’ll find plenty of reports of such a situation.

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