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Will your next car be petrol or electric?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm curious if we've reached a tipping point where more people are gonna go electric. Or is that still off in the future?"
Petrol, because it’s easier to buy a cheap used one and I need a commuter. When electric gets a bit cheaper, I’d love a Tesla and electric motorcycle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd love an electric 4wd pick up for getting the peat, gathering sea, pulling the boat in and out of the harbour, driving 750 miles to see family down south, but until there is a pick up capable of doing the same work load as my Toyota pick up I'm staying with diesel. |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
Newry Down |
I will never purchase another personal vehicle; as I have a free pass for all public transport throughout Ireland; and have had a pass for NI for the past five years, such a purchase would be pointless and wasteful.  |
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By *ruebameMan
over a year ago
from the womb and tryout to get back |
I never thought I'd consider electric but I've recently been looking at the bmw i8 so maybe my next car will be electric however I'll still be keeping my petrol car as a backup |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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After driving an electric van for work and finding out how brilliant they are to drive around the local area id go electric as I don't do big long journeys very often |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
Just got a new compamy car, Petrol plug in hybrid.
Was offered full electric VW ID4 but range not suitable for travelling I do, and infrastructure not good enough yet.
I have had a home charge point installed for the PHEV and for when I do go full electric. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can see a time when I will have to give up being a car owner as they are going to make it increasingly difficult and more expensive to run any kind of fossil fuel vehicle, with various charges/taxes, and for the vast majority of peoples the infrastructure just isn't there to make running an electric vehicle viable. I don't think it's a case of things not being thought through, I think the powers to be just don't care, but I wonder how long it will be before they have to start taxing electric vehicles. The revenue loss from diesel and petrol will be huge. |
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By *.R.MMan
over a year ago
Norfolk |
I drive a company car and electric will be available, so I’ll go for that. They are loads of charging points around now so with planning it won’t be a problem, overnight stays at hotels with chargers |
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"I'm curious if we've reached a tipping point where more people are gonna go electric. Or is that still off in the future?"
I'd go electric if they weren't twice the price of their petrol equivalent. But they are so I won't be going electric anytime soon. |
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By *edheadjMan
over a year ago
High Wycombe |
My brother has a Tesla. Incredibly impressed with it. What's even better is that like mobile phones, their tech improves every year. By the time I'm in the market for one the battery should be able to give twice the distance of what they currently get |
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If you have more money than sense, and can park it at home with a charge point and also only do 23 miles a week, get a petrol...... they are no where near where they need to be, and won't be for a while. |
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We looked at a Polestar, but its just to expensive to justify it.
We can get a top end petrol or diesel for half the monthly cost of the electric car.
Maybe in 3 to 5 years time the prices may have dropped, however at this time it would just be a waste of money. |
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"I can see a time when I will have to give up being a car owner as they are going to make it increasingly difficult and more expensive to run any kind of fossil fuel vehicle,"
This, and road pricing. |
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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
Almost certainly a BEV, as I’d buy it through my company.
If I were to do it now it would have to be a Tesla; I don’t have any way to charge at home, so would be reliant on the Superchargers a few miles from me.
But with Tesla starting to open up the Supercharger network to all EVs, the options increase. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
In 8 ish years time the option to buy a new petrol or diesel car will be gone. It will take some time for the existing cars to be taken off the road but I think stricter MOT's and emissions testing will shorten that lifecycle.
I do wonder what kind of mileage people are travelling a day to say the range is not enough, especially compared to something like a Tesla model 3 with a range of approx 360 miles. Are people driving more than 360 miles a day? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ive had afew electric cars as daily drivers, im waiting on release of the electric landrover defender ill be having that.
Although in the meantime will probably pick up another petrol classic  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We have a Tesla and wouldn't go back to ICE. Yes you need to plan your journeys, but we almost always charge at the destination and when we can't a super charger is never far away.
Completed over 25k miles in a standard range model 3 so far and never had an issue. |
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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago
Kettering |
I wanted to get an electric car when I changed mine last year. They were to expensive for me and there is nowhere near me to charge it. I live in a terrace house and can't guarantee I can park outside it.  |
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Petrol… our last long return trip up to Harrogate from Beds was done on one tank of fuel £60 & filled in less than 5 mins.
We stopped a couple of times along the way for coffee & toilet but it became very apparent that there just isn’t the chargers yet for it to be fully mainstream, one Starbucks we pulled into had 4 cars charging & another 3 waiting.. I couldn’t afford to sit there for potentially 2 hours waiting to charge my motor.
They are definitely the way forward but there needs to be greater choice of chargers & 250/300 range cars sub £25k
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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dont need a car anymore, due to living in a town centre and having good local public transport plus Arri has a car if we need to go out togetherm cars are becoming a real luxury item these days, god help those who live in the styks and have to have one, i save thousands a year by not having one, i i did need a car it would be petrol , dont like diesal, way to much tax, they smell and are noisy, a modern petrol is cheaper to run /tax etc and buy. i dont have anywhere to charge an electric car as have a flat with no parking space, so thats out too, and has anyone wandered how the goverment are going to claw back the revenue lost fro fossil fuel cars if we all went electric?
they are cheap to run atm, if not buy, but they wont be for long |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
Why did I choose hybrid over full electric? Not everyones situations are the same. Heres mine.
I mostly use my car for work. 35 to 40K miles per year
I work all over UK. Scotland down to south west.
My house to London 200+ miles.
Go straight to site, no charging points.
Go to hotel, no charging points.
Go to office, guess what...no charging points.
No spare time to find a supermarket with one of 4 chargers working and free.
I already have multiple phone apps to locate and activate charge points.
So yes I could get to work, but couldnt get home without a long stop at an expensive motorway services.
I will go electric but only when infrastructure and charge times are better. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
Newcastle upon Tyne |
We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive. |
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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive."
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm curious if we've reached a tipping point where more people are gonna go electric. Or is that still off in the future?"
No.
Electric cars are counter productive.
They're made from unrecyclable materials.
They're still being made the same way other cars are made.
The Earth is being strip mined for the materials to make the batteries. Plus sl@ve labour is used to get the materials needed for the production of cobalt etc etc.
Where do all those batteries go after they are of no use?
They use the same rubber tyres as other cars.
The electric cars require more power from stations to charge, which in turn will need more power stations to be built.
The electric cars are shipped on the same transporters and ships that regular cars use.
They are no better than the cars we use now.
The main problem is the powers that be forcing higher fuel prices to try and push the defunkt electric cars.
I'll strap my tin hat on now  |
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Petrol. I never buy new. A car good £1k car gets you from A to B same as a £30k car yet the price difference is staggering (granted maybe with a few unessential bells and whistles). Maybe many years in the future when electric cars dominant the used car market and petrol stations are few and far between. But that won't be for some time. Or unless I get another 15-20 years out of my current car. |
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"I'm curious if we've reached a tipping point where more people are gonna go electric. Or is that still off in the future?
No.
Electric cars are counter productive.
They're made from unrecyclable materials.
They're still being made the same way other cars are made.
The Earth is being strip mined for the materials to make the batteries. Plus sl@ve labour is used to get the materials needed for the production of cobalt etc etc.
Where do all those batteries go after they are of no use?
They use the same rubber tyres as other cars.
The electric cars require more power from stations to charge, which in turn will need more power stations to be built.
The electric cars are shipped on the same transporters and ships that regular cars use.
They are no better than the cars we use now.
The main problem is the powers that be forcing higher fuel prices to try and push the defunkt electric cars.
I'll strap my tin hat on now "
People should be aware of these things as they drive their electric car to pick up their avocado and Peruvian asparagus knocking over a few partially sighted people who couldn't hear them coming. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We have a big car and a mid/big car
Landrover discovery and a mercedes e class copue.
One car is 2 years old and the other 4 years.
If we change the bigger car next yr 12 months time it will be a diesel but if change in about 2 years then at least a hybride |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce."
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good. |
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My next one will probably be another diesel unless I drastically change the way I drive then it will be a petrol.
I wouldnt go electric unless the infrastructure improves and the speed at which electrics can be charged speeded up and also they come up with cars to match the looks and performance/handling of electric cars to match an M3 or Porsche 911. |
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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good. "
Not impossible, but extremely complicated probably to the point of impracticality.
Packs would need some level of standardisation, by vehicle manufacturer at the very least; across multiple or all to get the most benefit.
Cars would likely become heavier as the pack casing could no longer be a fixed part of the chassis/floorpan.
Batteries could be charged off-car en masse, but where would they be stored to do so? Whether above or below ground there’s huge space requirements, all whilst adhering to the storage safety requirements for batteries of that capacity. It would also drive the need for greater power supply if you had mass off-car charging given you get more packs than cars in the same space. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Not impossible, but extremely complicated probably to the point of impracticality.
Packs would need some level of standardisation, by vehicle manufacturer at the very least; across multiple or all to get the most benefit.
Cars would likely become heavier as the pack casing could no longer be a fixed part of the chassis/floorpan.
Batteries could be charged off-car en masse, but where would they be stored to do so? Whether above or below ground there’s huge space requirements, all whilst adhering to the storage safety requirements for batteries of that capacity. It would also drive the need for greater power supply if you had mass off-car charging given you get more packs than cars in the same space."
The video did suggest batteries would be smaller but I guess that is futuristic thinking right there, they can be anything you imagine in a futuristic way. I think they have this type of battery technology today for mopeds, a lot smaller but the same idea |
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That's the wink I forgot to add 
At least milk floats we could hear the bottles clanking. I dont like the silence of electric engines "
. When I learned to drive we had the man walking in front saving a red flag so no danger of running people over in those days |
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Both, my plug in hybrid gives me the best of both electric for. Commuting and petrol for the longer runs, if I can I will stick with it.
Before that my last few cars were all running on LPG which I always found to be excellent |
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"In 8 ish years time the option to buy a new petrol or diesel car will be gone. It will take some time for the existing cars to be taken off the road but I think stricter MOT's and emissions testing will shorten that lifecycle.
I do wonder what kind of mileage people are travelling a day to say the range is not enough, especially compared to something like a Tesla model 3 with a range of approx 360 miles. Are people driving more than 360 miles a day? "
Yep and priced at from 42500 quid they can keep it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ve got two plug in hybrid BMWs.. do half my miles on electric and half on petrol - average almost 60mpg and no range anxiety. Now what other battery powered toys can I try with a lovely lady? ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I will never purchase another personal vehicle; as I have a free pass for all public transport throughout Ireland; and have had a pass for NI for the past five years, such a purchase would be pointless and wasteful. "
Not if it's a classic car and goes up in value faster than money in the bank ... |
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Not impossible, but extremely complicated probably to the point of impracticality.
Packs would need some level of standardisation, by vehicle manufacturer at the very least; across multiple or all to get the most benefit.
Cars would likely become heavier as the pack casing could no longer be a fixed part of the chassis/floorpan.
Batteries could be charged off-car en masse, but where would they be stored to do so? Whether above or below ground there’s huge space requirements, all whilst adhering to the storage safety requirements for batteries of that capacity. It would also drive the need for greater power supply if you had mass off-car charging given you get more packs than cars in the same space."
I can just see people being happy to swap out there brand new 5k tesla battery and have it swapped for a 5 year old no brand unwarrantied one. |
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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I can just see people being happy to swap out there brand new 5k tesla battery and have it swapped for a 5 year old no brand unwarrantied one. "
Indeed, another issue. You’re not going to get like for like.
The only time that would be moot would be in a utility model where no-one owns cars; you just rent one in demand for a specific journey or period of time. That comes with another catalogue of problems, though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm curious if we've reached a tipping point where more people are gonna go electric. Or is that still off in the future?
No.
Electric cars are counter productive.
They're made from unrecyclable materials.
They're still being made the same way other cars are made.
The Earth is being strip mined for the materials to make the batteries. Plus sl@ve labour is used to get the materials needed for the production of cobalt etc etc.
Where do all those batteries go after they are of no use?
They use the same rubber tyres as other cars.
The electric cars require more power from stations to charge, which in turn will need more power stations to be built.
The electric cars are shipped on the same transporters and ships that regular cars use.
They are no better than the cars we use now.
The main problem is the powers that be forcing higher fuel prices to try and push the defunkt electric cars.
I'll strap my tin hat on now
People should be aware of these things as they drive their electric car to pick up their avocado and Peruvian asparagus knocking over a few partially sighted people who couldn't hear them coming. "
Exactly!
Loud pipes saves lives!
I say supercharge big block V8's and run them on headers! |
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I've been considering getting another petrol C70 T5 now, to store for future use when it becomes uneconomical to maintain my current one - the danger there is of being forced to give up fossil fuel cars altogether, à la the 1981 Rush track:
"My uncle has a country place
No one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the "Motor Law"
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground
As the turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine
For 50 odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
We fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime
Wind in my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge
Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle at the fireside" |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I can just see people being happy to swap out there brand new 5k tesla battery and have it swapped for a 5 year old no brand unwarrantied one.
Indeed, another issue. You’re not going to get like for like.
The only time that would be moot would be in a utility model where no-one owns cars; you just rent one in demand for a specific journey or period of time. That comes with another catalogue of problems, though."
I believe that is the eventual plan, when vehicles become fully autonomous ownership of a vehicle will be replaced with pay as you go type leasing.
You summon a car to take you to wherever you want to go, you wont drive, it will drive you, drop you off and away it goes, you summon a car to get you home or to work. Charging the battery is no longer a persons problem, car parking will be a problem of the past, along with congestion, drink driving and human error.
Don't shoot the messenger |
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Mine will possibly be a bus pass!! Unless prices significantly reduce I’ll never be a position to afford an electric car apart from the tiny ugly Citroen one. I will probably have to get a newer car at some point but quite happy with my 11 year old unleaded
J x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mine is electric... I have range anxiety whenever i need to do a medium length journey
Long distance, oh my days it adds so much time to the journey (charging on route)
The mileage range seems to bear zero relation to an actual mile 
I can't get it to charge to it's max, but it's new, so i need to read the manual to see if I'm doing something wrong.. It's missing around 100 miles so far  |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
maidenhead |
When I buy a car it’s a outright cash sale and keep for many years.
For myself I am not a lease and give it back which imo is how most rent their cars and the only way to use a electric car. I consider them as a throw away item. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good. "
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mine is electric... I have range anxiety whenever i need to do a medium length journey
Long distance, oh my days it adds so much time to the journey (charging on route)
The mileage range seems to bear zero relation to an actual mile
I can't get it to charge to it's max, but it's new, so i need to read the manual to see if I'm doing something wrong.. It's missing around 100 miles so far "
What have you got? Im running a jaguar 'i pace' atm and getting 260 miles to a run the charge from 0-80% is very very fast, the 80%-100% takes the longest so when i had my bmw i3 if i stopped for a coffee mid run it would charge from say 30% to 70-80% in 15 mins, i never found it a inconvenience as such. I know vauxhall & audi/vw group are terrible still on the charging and actuallygetting the mileage they say they do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mine is electric... I have range anxiety whenever i need to do a medium length journey
Long distance, oh my days it adds so much time to the journey (charging on route)
The mileage range seems to bear zero relation to an actual mile
I can't get it to charge to it's max, but it's new, so i need to read the manual to see if I'm doing something wrong.. It's missing around 100 miles so far
What have you got? Im running a jaguar 'i pace' atm and getting 260 miles to a run the charge from 0-80% is very very fast, the 80%-100% takes the longest so when i had my bmw i3 if i stopped for a coffee mid run it would charge from say 30% to 70-80% in 15 mins, i never found it a inconvenience as such. I know vauxhall & audi/vw group are terrible still on the charging and actuallygetting the mileage they say they do. "
Its an enyaq.. Delivered with 350, but only recharges to 250-280ish so far.. It takes 1.5 hours on a fast charger from 60 ish to 250.. So i think something must br wrong in my settings |
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If we can afford it and it's practical then electric, simply because it looks like it's going to be harder to run a conventional fuel car. However, my biggest concern will be "is it suitable for my disability needs?" |
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"I can just see people being happy to swap out there brand new 5k tesla battery and have it swapped for a 5 year old no brand unwarrantied one.
Indeed, another issue. You’re not going to get like for like.
The only time that would be moot would be in a utility model where no-one owns cars; you just rent one in demand for a specific journey or period of time. That comes with another catalogue of problems, though.
I believe that is the eventual plan, when vehicles become fully autonomous ownership of a vehicle will be replaced with pay as you go type leasing.
You summon a car to take you to wherever you want to go, you wont drive, it will drive you, drop you off and away it goes, you summon a car to get you home or to work. Charging the battery is no longer a persons problem, car parking will be a problem of the past, along with congestion, drink driving and human error.
Don't shoot the messenger "
Is that the world where we all have 32 inch waists, more money then we can use and a harem of girls to attend to our every desire? |
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"Mine is electric... I have range anxiety whenever i need to do a medium length journey
Long distance, oh my days it adds so much time to the journey (charging on route)
The mileage range seems to bear zero relation to an actual mile
I can't get it to charge to it's max, but it's new, so i need to read the manual to see if I'm doing something wrong.. It's missing around 100 miles so far "
The mileage is correlated to fab inches |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When electric cars can do 500 miles fully loaded I may get one, what about people that have caravans, I don’t by the way, midland’s to Cornwall will take three days each way when they have to stop to charge up every 50 miles because of the weight |
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I'm not planning on changing any time soon.
To consider electric they will need to be a lot cheaper, longer range on one charge and schemes in place to recycle the batteries.
At the moment, if you include the entire manufacturing process and how the electricity is produced, electric vehicles are not as environmentally friendly as I would like. |
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over a year ago
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"I can just see people being happy to swap out there brand new 5k tesla battery and have it swapped for a 5 year old no brand unwarrantied one.
Indeed, another issue. You’re not going to get like for like.
The only time that would be moot would be in a utility model where no-one owns cars; you just rent one in demand for a specific journey or period of time. That comes with another catalogue of problems, though.
I believe that is the eventual plan, when vehicles become fully autonomous ownership of a vehicle will be replaced with pay as you go type leasing.
You summon a car to take you to wherever you want to go, you wont drive, it will drive you, drop you off and away it goes, you summon a car to get you home or to work. Charging the battery is no longer a persons problem, car parking will be a problem of the past, along with congestion, drink driving and human error.
Don't shoot the messenger
Is that the world where we all have 32 inch waists, more money then we can use and a harem of girls to attend to our every desire? "
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel. "
That will really shake it up, are they far off from implementing or is it a 5 - 10 year thing? |
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over a year ago
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I like the idea of going electric but right now there are too many issues.
Firstly the cost of buying one, the only two I really fancy right now are £50k second hand. Then there's the issue with the range, not such a problem if I had a driveway and charge it at home but I don't and without convenient fast charging locations it's a big problem.
Finally there's the ethical issues. The materials needed to produce the battery components are often sourced from mines reliant on child labour and health and safety abuses. I'd feel a touch of hypocrisy feeling smug about having cleaner air in a rich, developed nation whilst sending African children to their deaths in unsafe mines to do so. |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
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"When electric cars can do 500 miles fully loaded I may get one, what about people that have caravans, I don’t by the way, midland’s to Cornwall will take three days each way when they have to stop to charge up every 50 miles because of the weight "
At least they will have somewhere to sleep while it recharges |
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel.
That will really shake it up, are they far off from implementing or is it a 5 - 10 year thing?"
Within 5 years id say, the new defender has the system fitted, i went to a science in future engineering day and it looks like batteries will all be on a lease system. Also if your into your stocks/shares buy into 'premier africa minerals' |
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"When they make an electric vehicle that does what I need it to do and is realistically priced and has been on the market long enough to get second hand, I will consider it.
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And has a battery that doesn't cost more than the car when it needs replacing.....and can be recycled. Nothing about electric cars currently inspires me to take one on!  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel.
That will really shake it up, are they far off from implementing or is it a 5 - 10 year thing?
Within 5 years id say, the new defender has the system fitted, i went to a science in future engineering day and it looks like batteries will all be on a lease system. Also if your into your stocks/shares buy into 'premier africa minerals' "
The lease system sounds the right way to go. Another game changer will come with fully autonomous capability allowing the car to be leased too and not sitting outside an office or house doing nothing for 80% of its life. Exciting times in my opinion |
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I would def consider electric if I can get something within the next budget. I don’t do a lot of miles in the actual car so the range wouldn’t be a issue at all. |
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"In 8 ish years time the option to buy a new petrol or diesel car will be gone. It will take some time for the existing cars to be taken off the road but I think stricter MOT's and emissions testing will shorten that lifecycle.
I do wonder what kind of mileage people are travelling a day to say the range is not enough, especially compared to something like a Tesla model 3 with a range of approx 360 miles. Are people driving more than 360 miles a day? "
Probably not, but when I go and see my kids every couple of months, I don't want my current 4 hr drive to take 6 hrs because I need to recharge. |
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"In 8 ish years time the option to buy a new petrol or diesel car will be gone. It will take some time for the existing cars to be taken off the road but I think stricter MOT's and emissions testing will shorten that lifecycle.
I do wonder what kind of mileage people are travelling a day to say the range is not enough, especially compared to something like a Tesla model 3 with a range of approx 360 miles. Are people driving more than 360 miles a day?
Probably not, but when I go and see my kids every couple of months, I don't want my current 4 hr drive to take 6 hrs because I need to recharge."
Exactly... And 360 miles is a long way from my 650 mile diesel |
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"In 8 ish years time the option to buy a new petrol or diesel car will be gone. It will take some time for the existing cars to be taken off the road but I think stricter MOT's and emissions testing will shorten that lifecycle.
I do wonder what kind of mileage people are travelling a day to say the range is not enough, especially compared to something like a Tesla model 3 with a range of approx 360 miles. Are people driving more than 360 miles a day? "
most of us can't afford things like the Tesla3. I often do 450mile trips..and even my daily drive is over 60miles.
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It is a hard choice. The last ever petrol M3 (and only wagon ever!) or an even faster version a few years later which will have a fake noise. Heart says petrol, mind says should do the right thing and go green. So dunno yet. |
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel.
That will really shake it up, are they far off from implementing or is it a 5 - 10 year thing?
Within 5 years id say, the new defender has the system fitted, i went to a science in future engineering day and it looks like batteries will all be on a lease system. Also if your into your stocks/shares buy into 'premier africa minerals'
The lease system sounds the right way to go. Another game changer will come with fully autonomous capability allowing the car to be leased too and not sitting outside an office or house doing nothing for 80% of its life. Exciting times in my opinion "
How would that work for people who need specific adaptations to their vehicle and can't just drive any car that turns up? Even self driving cars aren't necessarily suitable for the stowage of mobility equipment or might lack the adaptation to allow a disabled person to actually get into the vehicle. |
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"It is a hard choice. The last ever petrol M3 (and only wagon ever!) or an even faster version a few years later which will have a fake noise. Heart says petrol, mind says should do the right thing and go green. So dunno yet. "
Do you really think it's going green. Buying a 2nd hand petrol car is much more eco friendly than buying a electric car. The batteries are not recyclable, they still use fossil fuels to charge them mostly |
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"It is a hard choice. The last ever petrol M3 (and only wagon ever!) or an even faster version a few years later which will have a fake noise. Heart says petrol, mind says should do the right thing and go green. So dunno yet.
Do you really think it's going green. Buying a 2nd hand petrol car is much more eco friendly than buying a electric car. The batteries are not recyclable, they still use fossil fuels to charge them mostly "
Going green would be to do without a car altogether. I agree EVs are not that green. |
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"It is a hard choice. The last ever petrol M3 (and only wagon ever!) or an even faster version a few years later which will have a fake noise. Heart says petrol, mind says should do the right thing and go green. So dunno yet.
Do you really think it's going green. Buying a 2nd hand petrol car is much more eco friendly than buying a electric car. The batteries are not recyclable, they still use fossil fuels to charge them mostly
Going green would be to do without a car altogether. I agree EVs are not that green."
which is not going to happen. |
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"It is a hard choice. The last ever petrol M3 (and only wagon ever!) or an even faster version a few years later which will have a fake noise. Heart says petrol, mind says should do the right thing and go green. So dunno yet.
Do you really think it's going green. Buying a 2nd hand petrol car is much more eco friendly than buying a electric car. The batteries are not recyclable, they still use fossil fuels to charge them mostly
Going green would be to do without a car altogether. I agree EVs are not that green. which is not going to happen. "
In general no. I was talking about specific situation. Which is what the question is about ‘your next purchase’ |
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"Nope as I (mr) believe they are dangerous, you can't hear them coming so it's a danger for kids crossing roads. Until they actually sort that out and the price then I'll stick with diesel "
That's not true, though. Listen to an electric car for yourself when one gets near you. You hear the wheels on the road loud and clear. |
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"Nope as I (mr) believe they are dangerous, you can't hear them coming so it's a danger for kids crossing roads. Until they actually sort that out and the price then I'll stick with diesel
That's not true, though. Listen to an electric car for yourself when one gets near you. You hear the wheels on the road loud and clear."
no you dont. It's not loud and clear at all. I nearly got hit by one 3 weeks ago. It's not loud and clear at all. |
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"Nope as I (mr) believe they are dangerous, you can't hear them coming so it's a danger for kids crossing roads. Until they actually sort that out and the price then I'll stick with diesel
That's not true, though. Listen to an electric car for yourself when one gets near you. You hear the wheels on the road loud and clear. no you dont. It's not loud and clear at all. I nearly got hit by one 3 weeks ago. It's not loud and clear at all. "
I never heard the tyres on the road on a milk float at 4.00am in days gone by that is for sure |
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"Nope as I (mr) believe they are dangerous, you can't hear them coming so it's a danger for kids crossing roads. Until they actually sort that out and the price then I'll stick with diesel
That's not true, though. Listen to an electric car for yourself when one gets near you. You hear the wheels on the road loud and clear. no you dont. It's not loud and clear at all. I nearly got hit by one 3 weeks ago. It's not loud and clear at all. "
Sorry to hear that. Always been loud and clear when I've been near one. |
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel.
That will really shake it up, are they far off from implementing or is it a 5 - 10 year thing?
Within 5 years id say, the new defender has the system fitted, i went to a science in future engineering day and it looks like batteries will all be on a lease system. Also if your into your stocks/shares buy into 'premier africa minerals' "
Us that the new hybrid Defender that has a 27 mile (optimistic) range when run on sunshine? |
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"I'm gonna build an iron man suit. Well, considering my engineering skills are next to nothing, likelihood is it will be built using cardboard so will go soggy when wet so I best go catch a bus lol"
So are Robert Downey Jr's, so there's hope for you |
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I've had my current car ten years. I'm not sure how I'm going to afford buying another car let alone which fuel it'll be powered by. I plan to keep my current one till it just won't drive anymore. |
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"Going electric; also got a diesel for longer miles. Electric goes 240 miles on a full charge, with the right contract can be free to charge. "
really so the government will eventually make no duty when and if all cars are electric?
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Looking forward to picking up our Zoe in December. Daily commute is 40 miles so this will be perfect. Have second petrol car that will sit idle most of the time but will be for Daily holidays of we need to do long distance.
On 100% green generation tarrif so the juice going in will be "clean"
Yes - the manufacturing process is still as bad as petrol or (ugh) diesel but we believe small nudges are the best way forward. |
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"Looking forward to picking up our Zoe in December. Daily commute is 40 miles so this will be perfect. Have second petrol car that will sit idle most of the time but will be for Daily holidays of we need to do long distance.
On 100% green generation tarrif so the juice going in will be "clean"
Yes - the manufacturing process is still as bad as petrol or (ugh) diesel but we believe small nudges are the best way forward. "
This; it’s a contribution to lesser emissions. |
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There seems to be a lack of estate cars in electric options. I currently drive a Renault Sport Tourer, which is a brilliant car to stow my rigid-frame wheelchair in. I don't need to remove the wheels or anti tip bar to stow it in the boot and being rigid frame, it doesn't fold into any sort of compact shape. I really struggle to wrestle with removing the wheels etc so it's absolutely essential for me to be able to stow my wheelchair without taking it to bits.
I've used taxis on occasion and most are now hybrid or electric. Things like Hyundai Ioniq or Toyota Prius are the norm. I've had to discombobulate my chair each and every time, on occasion needing to put the 24" back wheels in the rear foot well because there's simply not enough room in the boot. Not one single taxi had enough space to carry my chair in the way it fits in my shabby old Renault.
I won't be buying any car that doesn't fit my wheelchair in. SUV shaped cars can also be problematic due to the height you have to lift from the ground and the fact most SUVs have a "lip" to the boot. I hired a conventional Vauxhall Grandad while my car was being repaired and it was a fucking ball ache. So I wouldn't want anything like that either.
Where are the proper estate cars in electric options? |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
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I replaced my land rover discovery sport . Timing chain fault after less than three years old . This a diesel for towing caravan. Caravan sold so no need towing vehicle . Back to Honda diesel . 1.6 engine. 18 plate. This coming up four years old December . Yet under 17000 miles. Will keep as could be last car. Can get fishing tackle in . Plenty of room , seating. My average mph ,according to onboard computer is above 50 mph. Or 600 per tank full. Electric car price out of my range . People who have to tow caravans etc . Running out of options for vehicles for towing . Plus charging on route as towing part has to be unhitched to charge . |
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Great big V8, as l think these politicians live in a dream world , were the fuck r we geting the power from and what would be the cost of changing it , has nobody realised that electricity has gone up , stic with the V8 |
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"Great big V8, as l think these politicians live in a dream world , were the fuck r we geting the power from and what would be the cost of changing it , has nobody realised that electricity has gone up , stic with the V8"
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"I don’t know much about electric cars so can anyone answer, what does it cost to recharge a standard electric car and the comparison to the same range with combustion fuels?"
a lot of supermarkets have free charging, some charging points do charge and I think it’s about 15p-60p a Kw.
I have a smart car and a full charge from empty on a domestic supply is around £2.
It works out around 2p per mile running cost.
I’ve had it since around March and I’ve saved around £600 because I’m not using my motorbike anymore. |
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"I currently have a hybrid and it's quite nice. take me for a spin in it ? Or it don’t exist lol  ha I'm sure my little Mobius would love to "
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Electric car ordered on a lease. Factoring in the fuel saving it'll be a bit cheaper than my hybrid.
Planning to mainly charge at home but there's enough public charging points and the network is growing. BP are installing them at petrol stations and I'm sure others will be too. |
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And you don't think there will ever be problems with getting petrol? "
Ever? Well eventually yes of course - it will become increasingly harder and more expensive to obtain as the mass market is diverted elsewhere. Practically I don’t see that starting to become an issue for at least another 10 to 15 years - at least not to the point it will be a huge imposition. But once they ban the selling of ICE cars then the writing will be on the wall. I’d expect in 20 to 25 years it will be as challenging to find petrol or diesel as it is to find a supercharger today. Cost will likely be closer to £6 or £7 a litre though aa the cost of processing and distribution is carrier over fuel sales and governments ratchet up the tax to further encourage people to move to EV. |
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"Nope as I (mr) believe they are dangerous, you can't hear them coming so it's a danger for kids crossing roads. Until they actually sort that out and the price then I'll stick with diesel
That's not true, though. Listen to an electric car for yourself when one gets near you. You hear the wheels on the road loud and clear. no you dont. It's not loud and clear at all. I nearly got hit by one 3 weeks ago. It's not loud and clear at all.
Sorry to hear that. Always been loud and clear when I've been near one."
we had to send are electric lorry back to have a noise fitted it only does local drops but had two serious accidents due to people not hearing it coming |
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"We travel a lot so until the infrastructure improves we will not change our car. We fully intend to go electric, don't understand why they have not improved the range yet or found a decent way to charge the car whilst you drive.
New battery tech is on the way which should improve range, we’re basically at the mercy physics, chemistry and affordability of what those two can produce.
I watched a video that hinted the future of electric cars wont be to charge the battery as you wait, it will be a drive up and replace the battery in seconds. Not sure if that would be possible but it looked good.
Very much true, battery trays, evry manufactur bar tesla have signed upto this. Drive in drive out at the garage rather than fuel.
That will really shake it up, are they far off from implementing or is it a 5 - 10 year thing?
Within 5 years id say, the new defender has the system fitted, i went to a science in future engineering day and it looks like batteries will all be on a lease system. Also if your into your stocks/shares buy into 'premier africa minerals'
The lease system sounds the right way to go. Another game changer will come with fully autonomous capability allowing the car to be leased too and not sitting outside an office or house doing nothing for 80% of its life. Exciting times in my opinion
How would that work for people who need specific adaptations to their vehicle and can't just drive any car that turns up? Even self driving cars aren't necessarily suitable for the stowage of mobility equipment or might lack the adaptation to allow a disabled person to actually get into the vehicle. "
This is a little guess work with a little of understanding of how the fully autonomous vehicle is right now. We tend to think in what we know, the steering wheel, 2 seats in the front, back seats, transmission tunnels and all the other parts that make up the inside of a car that is driven by people. When a car is fully autonomous it wont need a lot of the dials, seating arrangements and extras we have in cars today. It will be more of a carriage space, giving a lot more room, I would imagine this would allow a lot more freedom to disabled people and any mobility equipment. I would imagine the car will be designed specifically for those needs and not those needs being adapted to an existing car. That's my thoughts. |
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I am looking for another diesel. The new petrol introduced it has the reduced mpg of the car, I need more economical car.
Not ruling out hybrids, just full electrical is not good for doing the mileage I do most of the time. |
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"I am looking for another diesel. The new petrol introduced it has the reduced mpg of the car, I need more economical car.
Not ruling out hybrids, just full electrical is not good for doing the mileage I do most of the time."
Diesels are dead, dont waste your money on a new one. What mileage do you do? I did derby to london daily (240 mile round trip )in a i3 no issues and do derby to harrogate every other day (200 mile round trip) in a i pace atm no issues whatso ever. Saves me a fortune |
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" Are people driving more than 360 miles a day? "
I very much doubt it. Unless you're a trucker, or doing a once in a blue moon trip to visit family/friends a long way away, the days of the rep travelling all over the UK to see your customers are long gone. It's all done on Teams or other video-streaming platforms now. |
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My budget for my next car is £10k and it will no doubt be a Merc or VW diesel.
Even if I could afford an electric car there's no way I'll be able to charge it from home or work. So my options are bollocksed |
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"I am looking for another diesel. The new petrol introduced it has the reduced mpg of the car, I need more economical car.
Not ruling out hybrids, just full electrical is not good for doing the mileage I do most of the time."
There are some diesel hybrids out there but they aren't cheap |
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" Are people driving more than 360 miles a day?
I very much doubt it. Unless you're a trucker, or doing a once in a blue moon trip to visit family/friends a long way away, the days of the rep travelling all over the UK to see your customers are long gone. It's all done on Teams or other video-streaming platforms now."
The issue for many isn't the range for a single drive it's the accumulation of mileage of daily commuting. Factor in too that 360 miles is best case scenario and would more likely be closer to 300 in real world use. |
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So we are being encouraged to go down the electric car route. Great if you can afford one and live in a house with a drive to charge it.
I don't own one but work in the automotive industry and have driven my fair share. Some of these cars have supercar levels of acceleration and that concerns me about the future of road safety. |
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