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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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In the past few months I've noticed this trend in email signatures.... Especially at work...
Anyone here have such signatures?
It's not something that I'll ever do but I'm just really intrigued. |
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Not something I've ever noticed to be fair. Would be helpful though as some overseas colleagues have names where I'm not sure if they're male or female so it would definitely stop me mixing them up  |
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Omfg we have this in work. I have no issues with how people wish to identify themselves what so ever but what gets me is that I tend to refer to people by their name. Very rarely do I refer to a person by their gender via email.
I get that it has been a long uphill fight for people who don't identify with the gender that they were born with and its about time that society recognise them for who they are, however when I'm told to put it on my email....just no, I have a bloody name for a reason. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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Not that big of a deal in my opinion. It helps avoid misgendering people. It's not going to impact my life and in fact makes it easier for me to learn/know what it is I should be using with regards to a particular person.
I don't think it should ever be mandatory though, if you are okay with people assuming then it's all good anyway. |
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"Omfg we have this in work. I have no issues with how people wish to identify themselves what so ever but what gets me is that I tend to refer to people by their name. Very rarely do I refer to a person by their gender via email.
I get that it has been a long uphill fight for people who don't identify with the gender that they were born with and its about time that society recognise them for who they are, however when I'm told to put it on my email....just no, I have a bloody name for a reason. "
It... doesn't replace your name? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well you don't write dear him do you? Lol its useful to a point but as you say we all address people by name, and only the most prickly would protest about a mistake in pronoun. |
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"Not that big of a deal in my opinion. It helps avoid misgendering people. It's not going to impact my life and in fact makes it easier for me to learn/know what it is I should be using with regards to a particular person.
I don't think it should ever be mandatory though, if you are okay with people assuming then it's all good anyway. "
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What I don't fully understand and maybe someone on this thread can enlighten me. What use is having this on your email genuinely is?
In an email or even if I'm being spoken to I expect people to use my name or my work title, depending on situation. She or her would be used when I'm spoken about by others? And if I'm not sure of gender (which is a common occurrence in work) I automatically use they already. So why is it important I guess my question is? Not supposed to offend anyone I'm curious. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am very happy to refer to others by the pronouns they desire, but I don't think it should be made compulsory. Some people may not ready to reveal that and shouldn't pushed into it. Some don't believe they have a gender identity. And there is evidence that women are treated differently (better) at work when their name is neutral and people aren't sure which sex they are. |
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"What I don't fully understand and maybe someone on this thread can enlighten me. What use is having this on your email genuinely is?
In an email or even if I'm being spoken to I expect people to use my name or my work title, depending on situation. She or her would be used when I'm spoken about by others? And if I'm not sure of gender (which is a common occurrence in work) I automatically use they already. So why is it important I guess my question is? Not supposed to offend anyone I'm curious. "
I do it to normalise it, so trans people who need it aren't so singled out. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"What I don't fully understand and maybe someone on this thread can enlighten me. What use is having this on your email genuinely is?
In an email or even if I'm being spoken to I expect people to use my name or my work title, depending on situation. She or her would be used when I'm spoken about by others? And if I'm not sure of gender (which is a common occurrence in work) I automatically use they already. So why is it important I guess my question is? Not supposed to offend anyone I'm curious. "
I think it's more of a case just so you are aware for when/if it ever needs to be done and used.
Just view it as a bit of a signature at the end of an email. |
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I understand what both the posts above me are saying. And they are valid points.
But it is something I find difficult in a work setting. I've spent half my career proving my gender is irrelevant to how good I am at my job. And now I'm supposed to put it as my signature. May have to do some more thinking about it. |
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"I understand what both the posts above me are saying. And they are valid points.
But it is something I find difficult in a work setting. I've spent half my career proving my gender is irrelevant to how good I am at my job. And now I'm supposed to put it as my signature. May have to do some more thinking about it. "
I get that, I really do. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"I understand what both the posts above me are saying. And they are valid points.
But it is something I find difficult in a work setting. I've spent half my career proving my gender is irrelevant to how good I am at my job. And now I'm supposed to put it as my signature. May have to do some more thinking about it. "
Not mandatory is it? So no you shouldn't have to. It is safe to say that you are okay with people assuming your gender, so they don't need to be informed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I am very happy to refer to others by the pronouns they desire, but I don't think it should be made compulsory. Some people may not ready to reveal that and shouldn't pushed into it. Some don't believe they have a gender identity. And there is evidence that women are treated differently (better) at work when their name is neutral and people aren't sure which sex they are. "
Good point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In the past few months I've noticed this trend in email signatures.... Especially at work...
Anyone here have such signatures?
It's not something that I'll ever do but I'm just really intrigued."
We don't do it at my work but if they do I will opt out. |
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"I understand what both the posts above me are saying. And they are valid points.
But it is something I find difficult in a work setting. I've spent half my career proving my gender is irrelevant to how good I am at my job. And now I'm supposed to put it as my signature. May have to do some more thinking about it.
Not mandatory is it? So no you shouldn't have to. It is safe to say that you are okay with people assuming your gender, so they don't need to be informed. "
I understand that it's not mandatory. Like Swing said she does it so trans people aren't singled out. I don't want to upset anyone with me not using it either.
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Apart from the trans etc issues, the point that somebody made earlier in the thread about foreign names is very good. The world gets ever smaller, we communicate by email and telephone to a 100 countries. I would hazard that there are more people in the world with names that we cannot guess the gender from, than those that we can. And we should not expect others to be able to guess our genders from our names, as our names are equally unknowable to those from other cultures.
I don't see it as any type of compulsory thing, but as customs change and evolve it might become more general usage. In just the same way that somebody at some time in the past started the convention of preceding names with Mr or Miss or Mrs. And for some reason it became correct for women to indicate whether they were married or not from their pronoun, while there was no such requirement for men!
In my own lifetime I remember the huge indignation from some when women started using the Ms pronoun! Shock horror, the inhumanity of not knowing if it was okay to proposition a woman because we didn't know if they were "owned" by a husband!
My feeling is that if somebody does not tell me how they prefer to be addressed, they have no business being butt-hurt if I address them in the wrong way. I'll make my best guess, but I might be wrong for any number of reasons. Is Dr. Kelly Wilson a man or a woman? I can't tell from the name, I might well not be able to tell from the clothes, they could be wearing a mask, and there is enough overlap between male and female vocal range (particularly across different countries) that this might give no clue either. But depending on social context it could be absolutely vital that I get it right first time.
Likewise, if I don't tell someone how I prefer to be addressed, it's my own fault if they get it wrong. On the other hand though, I feel that if I do indicate my preferred pronouns on my email signature, my ID badge or in any other way, then anybody who deliberately ignores that is being disrespectful and should expect my censure.
If you wish to be addressed properly - tell people your pronouns. If people tell you their pronouns - be respectful and use them. It's just a matter of good manners. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I understand what both the posts above me are saying. And they are valid points.
But it is something I find difficult in a work setting. I've spent half my career proving my gender is irrelevant to how good I am at my job. And now I'm supposed to put it as my signature. May have to do some more thinking about it.
Not mandatory is it? So no you shouldn't have to. It is safe to say that you are okay with people assuming your gender, so they don't need to be informed.
I understand that it's not mandatory. Like Swing said she does it so trans people aren't singled out. I don't want to upset anyone with me not using it either.
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I get that, and it's good you feel that way, but that is on them if they take offence to that. You are doing it for your own reasons. And very valid and good reasons at that. You are not disrespecting them by not doing it, regardless of what others think - that's a general others, not directed at Inaswingdress.
It is a two way street. People need to respect (at the very least accept) others decisions for doing things.
I respect that people (whomever they are) want to put it, those same people need to respect that I may not want to. It is not about causing offence. It is about doing what is right for you under any circumstance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I understand what both the posts above me are saying. And they are valid points.
But it is something I find difficult in a work setting. I've spent half my career proving my gender is irrelevant to how good I am at my job. And now I'm supposed to put it as my signature. May have to do some more thinking about it.
Not mandatory is it? So no you shouldn't have to. It is safe to say that you are okay with people assuming your gender, so they don't need to be informed.
I understand that it's not mandatory. Like Swing said she does it so trans people aren't singled out. I don't want to upset anyone with me not using it either.
I get that, and it's good you feel that way, but that is on them if they take offence to that. You are doing it for your own reasons. And very valid and good reasons at that. You are not disrespecting them by not doing it, regardless of what others think - that's a general others, not directed at Inaswingdress.
It is a two way street. People need to respect (at the very least accept) others decisions for doing things.
I respect that people (whomever they are) want to put it, those same people need to respect that I may not want to. It is not about causing offence. It is about doing what is right for you under any circumstance. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mainly seen this on Twitter and LinkedIn. Not something I see the point of to be honest.
I kinda get it to some extent on Twitter where people don't necessarily use thier name and profile pics are random and not always of them. But LinkedIn, everyone uses thier names, profile pics are of them...what's the point? |
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"What polly said
Sorry, I narrowed it down since quoting huge text annoys me.
I agree on what you say pretty much.
Another
Thanks Polly for your post, makes lots of sense to me "
Another for Polly.
It's becoming equally common at work.
I don't as I choose to sign off as Mrs but many women, quite rightly, don't see why they should advertise their sex and marital status. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In the past few months I've noticed this trend in email signatures.... Especially at work...
Anyone here have such signatures?
It's not something that I'll ever do but I'm just really intrigued."
You mean the pronouns stuff? I don’t have it as I don’t see a need for it. If I’m emailing someone, I wouldn’t be referring to them as their pronoun as I would be directly speaking to them! |
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"What polly said
Sorry, I narrowed it down since quoting huge text annoys me.
I agree on what you say pretty much.
Another
Thanks Polly for your post, makes lots of sense to me
Another for Polly.
It's becoming equally common at work.
I don't as I choose to sign off as Mrs but many women, quite rightly, don't see why they should advertise their sex and marital status. "
I meant increasingly not equally... |
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