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"Cull or vaccinate?" vaccinate... Vaccinate the cows while they're at it. End of problem... | |||
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"Cull or vaccinate? Vaccinate" Vaccinate! And sort the beavers out at the same time!!  | |||
"Cull or vaccinate? Vaccinate Vaccinate! And sort the beavers out at the same time!! "The yawning ones? | |||
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"Cull or vaccinate? Vaccinate Vaccinate! And sort the beavers out at the same time!! "Are you for reintroduction or not? | |||
"Cull or vaccinate? Vaccinate Vaccinate! And sort the beavers out at the same time!!
Are you for reintroduction or not?"Of course!! Love a nice cute beaver!! | |||
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"pardon the ignorance but is it something that's been on the news??" was just thinking the same lol | |||
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"pardon the ignorance but is it something that's been on the news?? was just thinking the same lol" Yes... I heard it on Radio 4 yesterday...;-);-) | |||
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"pardon the ignorance but is it something that's been on the news??" Permission has been given for a cull in one area. There has been a trial on halting culls and this has been a topic of discussion, wider than the farming community, for about 5 years now. | |||
"i farm so this is near to the heart cull but only in TB hot spots. As far as i know after talking to vets vacine is year away from been ready for use. there is no reason to cull badgers just for sake of it, ie i know of one set in same field as my cows but as my cows have tested clean for TB this set most be clean so i am happy to leave well alone. I if i had cows been killed because of Tb i would say different. " Thanks for commenting from a personal perspective. | |||
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"Working within a National Nature Conservation body it's bizarre the hypocrisy coming from within our own staff on the issue. Some say cull, some say vaccinate, and some say leave alone. Vaccination of badgers will not work, vaccination of cattle will, but then farmers will lose out on a status of 'clean' non-TB cattle. Culling will, in the long term be ineffective too, and changing the biodiversity of the landscape is a non starter." Thank you. I have found that the issue is not black and white (apologies!) even amongst the conservation and animal charities. | |||
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"i had a mate who got a farm which was tb clear so twice a year we went out and paint balled them as to identify resedent badgers to rouges thats moved in and he would only cull the new ones so if you culled all badgers there would be mayhem as they always look for new territorys to take over" That is a very good point. Marking seems fine but paintballing hurts  | |||
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"only bit of debate i dont agree with is when organic farmers jump on band wagon trying to say that there some how safer when truth is the indoor intensive farms are the safest, i dont like saying that as i dont like indoor intensive farms, but i believe you say the truth" Indoor intensive farming are only safe in the sense that it is an entirely controlled environment. What we don't know is what the knock on effect of that will be long term. Look at what has happened with human immunity and the rise in allergies just from keeping things too clean. | |||
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"Am I being thick here......... but I understood that isnt the only way that TB has come back into this Country, at one point it was irradicated ....... or, and this could be where I am being dense, can humans not get TB from badgers and cows?????????? and where is the quizzical smiley when u want it? " Bovine TB can spread to humans but it is not the danger that human to human TB transmission is. The increase in rough sleeping and spitting combined with the ease of global travel have led to an increase in TB rates in this country. | |||
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"i did not meen i like or aprove of intensive farming :i dont: just i dont like some organic farmers taking moral high ground under false reasons " I am sorry, I was the one being less than clear. I understood what you were saying but it prompted my thoughts on allergies and immunity. I can see some thinking that because cattle is food it should be treated as sterile all along it's production. | |||
"Am I being thick here......... but I understood that isnt the only way that TB has come back into this Country, at one point it was irradicated ....... or, and this could be where I am being dense, can humans not get TB from badgers and cows?????????? and where is the quizzical smiley when u want it? Bovine TB can spread to humans but it is not the danger that human to human TB transmission is. The increase in rough sleeping and spitting combined with the ease of global travel have led to an increase in TB rates in this country." yeah I knew that bit about human TB and also because we stopped the vaccination programme in this country because it had been eradicated - wasnt sure if bovine TB could be passed to humans  | |||
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" The sad thing is that intensive farming has led to this crisis (and bse/cjd) as animals are unhealthy and live in poorer conditions than free range or organic farming produces. " A very interesting point of view, could you give me some evidence that intensive farming has caused the problem. It seems to be a popular view that is trotted out by the anti cull lobby, I can't find any link between intensive and non intensive(whatever those terms mean), because it seems to me if that was the problem ALL intensive farms would have a TB problem and free range would have no TB. Whereas that is not the case. By the way I'm not keen on culling, I just can't see a viable alternative. I mean how are you going to vaccinate a sett of badgers? disturb them and they will bugger off never to come back, the same as if you shoot 1 the rest scarper. I'm just glad I don't have to make the final decision. | |||
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"Save or badgers !!!! Everything has right to live n be here! Xx " I agree, but what about the 34,000 cattle slaughtered last year and the 31.000 the year before and the 37,000 the year before that. There is no easy answer to the problem but it seems to me there is no joined up thinking about it, surely it cannot continue being a one sided way of dealing with TB, or can it? | |||
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"Cull them I dont want meat I might eat full of any more drugs than they have to have." Do you eat badger??? Oh, you mean the cattle....what drugs do they give them then? | |||
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"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be." What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores? | |||
"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be.What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores? "In a nutshell, by eating meat, carnivores are contributing to the imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals to satisfy their own selfish pleasure. The only time that it is morally acceptable is in those few countries where there are no affordable alternatives to avoid starvation and that is certainly not the case here. The only advancement of medical science that is going to make eating "meat" anything but morally repugnant is to grow it artificially in the laboratory so no animals suffer in the process. | |||
"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be.What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores?
In a nutshell, by eating meat, carnivores are contributing to the imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals to satisfy their own selfish pleasure. The only time that it is morally acceptable is in those few countries where there are no affordable alternatives to avoid starvation and that is certainly not the case here.
The only advancement of medical science that is going to make eating "meat" anything but morally repugnant is to grow it artificially in the laboratory so no animals suffer in the process."
Vaccinate.
Will never forget the screams from that poor women on the news when the men went in her house to kill her pets when the foot and mouth was going on.
What the government wasn't telling every body is its possible to still eat an animal after foot and mouth when treated by antibiotics.
What's not being told now?
I'm country born and bred and in all my years have only ever seen 2 badgers(one of which i nearly hit).
It was also said on tv yesterday that it's the cows passing it to the badgers not the other way round | |||
"Cull or vaccinate? vaccinate... Vaccinate the cows while they're at it. End of problem..." exactly! | |||
"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be.What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores?
In a nutshell, by eating meat, carnivores are contributing to the imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals to satisfy their own selfish pleasure. The only time that it is morally acceptable is in those few countries where there are no affordable alternatives to avoid starvation and that is certainly not the case here.
The only advancement of medical science that is going to make eating "meat" anything but morally repugnant is to grow it artificially in the laboratory so no animals suffer in the process."Or simply by buying organic free range meat because we are hunter gatherers after all. | |||
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"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be.What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores?
In a nutshell, by eating meat, carnivores are contributing to the imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals to satisfy their own selfish pleasure. The only time that it is morally acceptable is in those few countries where there are no affordable alternatives to avoid starvation and that is certainly not the case here.
The only advancement of medical science that is going to make eating "meat" anything but morally repugnant is to grow it artificially in the laboratory so no animals suffer in the process.
Or simply by buying organic free range meat because we are hunter gatherers after all."If man was a natural "hunter", he would be able to catch his prey with his speedy legs, haul it down with his talon-like claws, kill with his carnivorous fangs, eat the prey raw and digest it properly with his canivorous intestinal tract. If you can do that, I will concede that man is a carnivore. Of course, you can't because we don't have the speed to catch our prey, no claws, no fangs, herbivore teeth and a herbivore sized intestinal tract. Man started eating meat because he was colonising areas of land where other sources of food were not plentiful or because he found dead animals lying around and realised they were a source of food if he could devise ways to catch them - and eventually farm them. Early man had no thoughts of the pain and suffering he was causing. Of course, now we have advanced to a stage where, unlike early man, we no longer rape our wives, hang draw and quarter our prisoners or scalp our enemies. We have also advanced to a stage where the vast majority no longer need to cause pain and suffering to animals in order to feed ourselves. There is no moral excuse anymore for causing that pain and suffering. Only selfishness and laziness. Indeed, if everyone was to give up meat, the human population would be more healthy (less heart attacks, less diabetes, less obesity, less starvation, etc, etc) and the world would be better off environmentally as it uses fewer resources (water, land, fuel, etc) to make vegan food than it does to make those feeding a meat-based diet. So much so that the World Health Organisation and the United Nations recently repeated its belief that the world needed to move to a plant-based diet if it was going to be capable of feeding its expanding population in the near future. Indeed, the world would be a healthier place psychologically too as how it treats its animals is a mark of how advanced and civilised a nation has become. It has been shown scientifically that those who are willing to harm animals have a much greater tendency to harm their fellow human beings. | |||
"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be.What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores?
In a nutshell, by eating meat, carnivores are contributing to the imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals to satisfy their own selfish pleasure. The only time that it is morally acceptable is in those few countries where there are no affordable alternatives to avoid starvation and that is certainly not the case here.
The only advancement of medical science that is going to make eating "meat" anything but morally repugnant is to grow it artificially in the laboratory so no animals suffer in the process.
Or simply by buying organic free range meat because we are hunter gatherers after all.
If man was a natural "hunter", he would be able to catch his prey with his speedy legs, haul it down with his talon-like claws, kill with his carnivorous fangs, eat the prey raw and digest it properly with his canivorous intestinal tract. If you can do that, I will concede that man is a carnivore.
Of course, you can't because we don't have the speed to catch our prey, no claws, no fangs, herbivore teeth and a herbivore sized intestinal tract.
Man started eating meat because he was colonising areas of land where other sources of food were not plentiful or because he found dead animals lying around and realised they were a source of food if he could devise ways to catch them - and eventually farm them.
Early man had no thoughts of the pain and suffering he was causing. Of course, now we have advanced to a stage where, unlike early man, we no longer rape our wives, hang draw and quarter our prisoners or scalp our enemies. We have also advanced to a stage where the vast majority no longer need to cause pain and suffering to animals in order to feed ourselves.
There is no moral excuse anymore for causing that pain and suffering. Only selfishness and laziness. Indeed, if everyone was to give up meat, the human population would be more healthy (less heart attacks, less diabetes, less obesity, less starvation, etc, etc) and the world would be better off environmentally as it uses fewer resources (water, land, fuel, etc) to make vegan food than it does to make those feeding a meat-based diet. So much so that the World Health Organisation and the United Nations recently repeated its belief that the world needed to move to a plant-based diet if it was going to be capable of feeding its expanding population in the near future.
Indeed, the world would be a healthier place psychologically too as how it treats its animals is a mark of how advanced and civilised a nation has become. It has been shown scientifically that those who are willing to harm animals have a much greater tendency to harm their fellow human beings."what would british country side look like with no green fields? not eating meat meens no animals in fields if no one was eating meat there would be no livestock in fields no piont in hedges fences no where for wildlife to live . what would lakeland fells of cumbria be like with no sheep? ( please dont say sheep can be kept just for wool cost more to shear than wool is worth to sell ) farming and livestock have shaped british country side, who put walls hedges fences there? no one says you have to eat meat its a free country | |||
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"I find the whole debate laughable in a horrific sense. We are needlessly killing innocent animals so we can needlessly kill other animals for our own selfish pleasure (food). We are supposed to be a civilised country. Until we stop needlessly imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals because of our own selfishness, we never will be.What about the advancement of medical science? What about us Carnivores?
In a nutshell, by eating meat, carnivores are contributing to the imprisoning, raping, torturing, maiming and killing animals to satisfy their own selfish pleasure. The only time that it is morally acceptable is in those few countries where there are no affordable alternatives to avoid starvation and that is certainly not the case here.
The only advancement of medical science that is going to make eating "meat" anything but morally repugnant is to grow it artificially in the laboratory so no animals suffer in the process.
Or simply by buying organic free range meat because we are hunter gatherers after all.
If man was a natural "hunter", he would be able to catch his prey with his speedy legs, haul it down with his talon-like claws, kill with his carnivorous fangs, eat the prey raw and digest it properly with his canivorous intestinal tract. If you can do that, I will concede that man is a carnivore.
Of course, you can't because we don't have the speed to catch our prey, no claws, no fangs, herbivore teeth and a herbivore sized intestinal tract.
Man started eating meat because he was colonising areas of land where other sources of food were not plentiful or because he found dead animals lying around and realised they were a source of food if he could devise ways to catch them - and eventually farm them.
Early man had no thoughts of the pain and suffering he was causing. Of course, now we have advanced to a stage where, unlike early man, we no longer rape our wives, hang draw and quarter our prisoners or scalp our enemies. We have also advanced to a stage where the vast majority no longer need to cause pain and suffering to animals in order to feed ourselves.
There is no moral excuse anymore for causing that pain and suffering. Only selfishness and laziness. Indeed, if everyone was to give up meat, the human population would be more healthy (less heart attacks, less diabetes, less obesity, less starvation, etc, etc) and the world would be better off environmentally as it uses fewer resources (water, land, fuel, etc) to make vegan food than it does to make those feeding a meat-based diet. So much so that the World Health Organisation and the United Nations recently repeated its belief that the world needed to move to a plant-based diet if it was going to be capable of feeding its expanding population in the near future.
Indeed, the world would be a healthier place psychologically too as how it treats its animals is a mark of how advanced and civilised a nation has become. It has been shown scientifically that those who are willing to harm animals have a much greater tendency to harm their fellow human beings.
what would british country side look like with no green fields?
not eating meat meens no animals in fields
if no one was eating meat there would be no livestock in fields no piont in hedges fences no where for wildlife to live .
what would lakeland fells of cumbria be like with no sheep? ( please dont say sheep can be kept just for wool cost more to shear than wool is worth to sell )
farming and livestock have shaped british country side, who put walls hedges fences there?
no one says you have to eat meat its a free country"So your justification for us imprisoning, torturing, maiming, raping and killing animals is so our countryside can look nice? Very compassionate  | |||
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"torturing, maiming, raping ? i dont think so, modern farms be them organic non organic have more red tape inspectors etc than ever in history. so what would happen to all cattle sheep pigs hens in the county side once you turned us into vegies" Raping...Dairy cows need to be kept constantly pregnant so they can produce milk. They are usually artificially inseminated. They are therefore being raped, which is basically having their sexual parts invaded without their permission and, worse still, not even by their own species. There are similar practices in the farming of other animals. Torturing...Most dairy cows have their offspring taken away from them immediately after birth. They pine for the loss of their babies for weeks, while their babies pine for their mothers. The male offspring are then usually fattened up for veal, living solitary lives being force fed and then killed after a couple of weeks or months. That is only one example of the torture that animals are put through for our pleasure. Factory farming, where we get most of our meat, eggs, etc, is all torture for the animals involved. The trip to the slaughterhouse is torture, research showing that they often realise what is about to happen to them, especially at the slaughterhouse, where they can hear and smell the death of their friends and family. No surprise that many try to escape. Maiming....Cattle have their horns clipped, pigs have their tails docked, animals are castrated and branded, the list is endless, many of these processes carried out without anaesthetic. As for what would happen to all the cattle, sheeps, pigs and hens in the countryside (remember that the vast bulk of our meat and other animal products now come from factory farms, not animals in fields). Well, what happens to them now? They are slaughtered without having been able to live out the natural lengths of their lives. They only exist because we breed them, so if we stopped breeding them, they wouldn't exist, simple. You may suggest that these cattle, sheep, pigs and hens would rather exist for a short time than not at all. Well, imagine if some master race came to earth from another planet and decided it liked the taste of our flesh, that our skin was great for their clothes and shoes. They started breeding us in the way we breed animals, keeping us imprisoned, branding us, cutting off our sexual organs, killing us for their meat and clothing whenever they chose. I am sure you would not think then that living a short life before heading for the slaughterhouse was better than none. | |||
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"Cull called off until next year." Yesssss | |||
"Cull called off until next year. Yesssss "The Olympics and the weather are being used as reasons why the cull can't go ahead this year. There is also a side story that the numbers that need to be culled to make any difference is much greater than originally thought. | |||
" what would british country side look like with no green fields?" A bit like it did a couple of hundred years ago before the enclosure acts changed it beyond recognition maybe. | |||
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"Personally I would retrain them to assist the disabled." brilliant business idea and thanks to you I am soaking wet... with tea spilt all over my top!!! | |||
"torturing, maiming, raping ? i dont think so, modern farms be them organic non organic have more red tape inspectors etc than ever in history. so what would happen to all cattle sheep pigs hens in the county side once you turned us into vegies Raping...Dairy cows need to be kept constantly pregnant so they can produce milk. They are usually artificially inseminated. They are therefore being raped, which is basically having their sexual parts invaded without their permission and, worse still, not even by their own species. There are similar practices in the farming of other animals. Torturing...Most dairy cows have their offspring taken away from them immediately after birth. They pine for the loss of their babies for weeks, while their babies pine for their mothers. The male offspring are then usually fattened up for veal, living solitary lives being force fed and then killed after a couple of weeks or months. That is only one example of the torture that animals are put through for our pleasure. Factory farming, where we get most of our meat, eggs, etc, is all torture for the animals involved. The trip to the slaughterhouse is torture, research showing that they often realise what is about to happen to them, especially at the slaughterhouse, where they can hear and smell the death of their friends and family. No surprise that many try to escape. Maiming....Cattle have their horns clipped, pigs have their tails docked, animals are castrated and branded, the list is endless, many of these processes carried out without anaesthetic. As for what would happen to all the cattle, sheeps, pigs and hens in the countryside (remember that the vast bulk of our meat and other animal products now come from factory farms, not animals in fields). Well, what happens to them now? They are slaughtered without having been able to live out the natural lengths of their lives. They only exist because we breed them, so if we stopped breeding them, they wouldn't exist, simple. You may suggest that these cattle, sheep, pigs and hens would rather exist for a short time than not at all. Well, imagine if some master race came to earth from another planet and decided it liked the taste of our flesh, that our skin was great for their clothes and shoes. They started breeding us in the way we breed animals, keeping us imprisoned, branding us, cutting off our sexual organs, killing us for their meat and clothing whenever they chose. I am sure you would not think then that living a short life before heading for the slaughterhouse was better than none. " This did make me chuckle! Such story line! Clearly a veggie from the planet potato! Man has eaten and caught meet from the very start. Shellfish, fish, fruit, nuts, seeds and their version of road kill (scraps left by carnivores or simply dead animals oh and other humanoids!) were all on the menu! We learnt to kill not just for food but for their skins and other useful parts, as was demonstrated in last nights BBC2 9pm prog reconstructing neandathol man. Isn't it said that cattle etc produce the most/more greenhouse gases.... Just imagine if we all just consumed nothing but veggies!! Phew! Doesn't bear thinking about! As for being healthier well sorry but as much as I like veggies desires, craves and needs a little meat now and then, mostly chicken and fish I hasten to add. Of course the animal cruelty side of things is a whole different kettle of fish! Where do you draw the line? Eg: Line court fish or nets? Organic seems to be the way but we still have death at the end if it... We make the distinction as being the top species in our world that if an animal suffers we will put it down, why? Because we don't believe in suffering, but in the natural world nature is extreme and a mother bear will even leave a sickly cub to fend for its self... They have instinct and have to think about survival.. We help where we can. We farm to survive as there is no real need to be hunter gatherers in the full sense of the statement, of course some still have too and will kill and eat just about anything that crawls, swims, flies or walks! As for badgers if there's a link between a heard and a set then cull as there is no current vaccine.. Temple Grandin recognised that animal husbandry was essential to humanely looking after and slaughtering cattle, she is autistic. Well worth reading about. | |||
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"Interestingly enough, 2 men were arrested for badger baiting up here the past couple of days. I get the difference between baiting and culling, but still interesting that they could face prosecution for tampering with a badger's set. " Pretty obvious why really!! Decently lengthy sentence required!! | |||
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"Cull or vaccinate?" vaccinate every time.  | |||
"Interestingly enough, 2 men were arrested for badger baiting up here the past couple of days. I get the difference between baiting and culling, but still interesting that they could face prosecution for tampering with a badger's set. Pretty obvious why really!! Decently lengthy sentence required!!" My thoughts exactly! But really dont get the whole cull/vaccnate thng. As aforementioned, I'm a true city girl and have only seen badgers on tv at Centre Parcs. I have only ever seen 2 wild foxes in my life, so I admit I am totally ignorant to culling/vaccinating/leave be. I dont know enough about tb etc to say to cull them, but found the badger baiting case interesting. | |||
"Interestingly enough, 2 men were arrested for badger baiting up here the past couple of days. I get the difference between baiting and culling, but still interesting that they could face prosecution for tampering with a badger's set. " definitely think its wrong to play with a badgers set...regardless of its sex | |||
"Interestingly enough, 2 men were arrested for badger baiting up here the past couple of days. I get the difference between baiting and culling, but still interesting that they could face prosecution for tampering with a badger's set. definitely think its wrong to play with a badgers set...regardless of its sex" When i posted, I did think 'ooo errr matron' (carry on style) but ddnt think anyone would get it lol | |||
"torturing, maiming, raping ? i dont think so, modern farms be them organic non organic have more red tape inspectors etc than ever in history. so what would happen to all cattle sheep pigs hens in the county side once you turned us into vegies Raping...Dairy cows need to be kept constantly pregnant so they can produce milk. They are usually artificially inseminated. They are therefore being raped, which is basically having their sexual parts invaded without their permission and, worse still, not even by their own species. There are similar practices in the farming of other animals. Torturing...Most dairy cows have their offspring taken away from them immediately after birth. They pine for the loss of their babies for weeks, while their babies pine for their mothers. The male offspring are then usually fattened up for veal, living solitary lives being force fed and then killed after a couple of weeks or months. That is only one example of the torture that animals are put through for our pleasure. Factory farming, where we get most of our meat, eggs, etc, is all torture for the animals involved. The trip to the slaughterhouse is torture, research showing that they often realise what is about to happen to them, especially at the slaughterhouse, where they can hear and smell the death of their friends and family. No surprise that many try to escape. Maiming....Cattle have their horns clipped, pigs have their tails docked, animals are castrated and branded, the list is endless, many of these processes carried out without anaesthetic. As for what would happen to all the cattle, sheeps, pigs and hens in the countryside (remember that the vast bulk of our meat and other animal products now come from factory farms, not animals in fields). Well, what happens to them now? They are slaughtered without having been able to live out the natural lengths of their lives. They only exist because we breed them, so if we stopped breeding them, they wouldn't exist, simple. You may suggest that these cattle, sheep, pigs and hens would rather exist for a short time than not at all. Well, imagine if some master race came to earth from another planet and decided it liked the taste of our flesh, that our skin was great for their clothes and shoes. They started breeding us in the way we breed animals, keeping us imprisoned, branding us, cutting off our sexual organs, killing us for their meat and clothing whenever they chose. I am sure you would not think then that living a short life before heading for the slaughterhouse was better than none. " Mental | |||
"torturing, maiming, raping ? i dont think so, modern farms be them organic non organic have more red tape inspectors etc than ever in history. so what would happen to all cattle sheep pigs hens in the county side once you turned us into vegies Raping...Dairy cows need to be kept constantly pregnant so they can produce milk. They are usually artificially inseminated. They are therefore being raped, which is basically having their sexual parts invaded without their permission and, worse still, not even by their own species. There are similar practices in the farming of other animals. Torturing...Most dairy cows have their offspring taken away from them immediately after birth. They pine for the loss of their babies for weeks, while their babies pine for their mothers. The male offspring are then usually fattened up for veal, living solitary lives being force fed and then killed after a couple of weeks or months. That is only one example of the torture that animals are put through for our pleasure. Factory farming, where we get most of our meat, eggs, etc, is all torture for the animals involved. The trip to the slaughterhouse is torture, research showing that they often realise what is about to happen to them, especially at the slaughterhouse, where they can hear and smell the death of their friends and family. No surprise that many try to escape. Maiming....Cattle have their horns clipped, pigs have their tails docked, animals are castrated and branded, the list is endless, many of these processes carried out without anaesthetic. As for what would happen to all the cattle, sheeps, pigs and hens in the countryside (remember that the vast bulk of our meat and other animal products now come from factory farms, not animals in fields). Well, what happens to them now? They are slaughtered without having been able to live out the natural lengths of their lives. They only exist because we breed them, so if we stopped breeding them, they wouldn't exist, simple. You may suggest that these cattle, sheep, pigs and hens would rather exist for a short time than not at all. Well, imagine if some master race came to earth from another planet and decided it liked the taste of our flesh, that our skin was great for their clothes and shoes. They started breeding us in the way we breed animals, keeping us imprisoned, branding us, cutting off our sexual organs, killing us for their meat and clothing whenever they chose. I am sure you would not think then that living a short life before heading for the slaughterhouse was better than none. Mental" I'm getting solar panels attached to my forehead...I cant stand to eat another plant or animal, so I will therefore also live in a bubble. | |||
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"Cull or vaccinate? vaccinate... Vaccinate the cows while they're at it. End of problem..." doesn't work:-its been tried | |||
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"I have a question:-how do you ensure you vaccinate enough badgers to give them "herd immunity" we can't seem to do it with people hence the current measles problem,that shows you only have to miss a few per cent for an epidemic to start" How do you cull enough to make the risk of Bovine TB negligible? | |||
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"I have a question:-how do you ensure you vaccinate enough badgers to give them "herd immunity" we can't seem to do it with people hence the current measles problem,that shows you only have to miss a few per cent for an epidemic to start How do you cull enough to make the risk of Bovine TB negligible? " I think shooting is the wron way,gassing would be a better more humane way,less chance of injured/maimed animals surviving in pain from wounds | |||
"How do you cull enough to make the risk of Bovine TB negligible? " I don't think they know,that's why they are trialing in 2 areas | |||
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"Vaccinate. I heard a report on the radio where it was stated that the cull of infected animals would have to continue for around 20 years for bovine TB to be irradicated from the badger population. Cattle could still catch TB by other methods" Including other cattle. | |||
"I have a question:-how do you ensure you vaccinate enough badgers to give them "herd immunity" we can't seem to do it with people hence the current measles problem,that shows you only have to miss a few per cent for an epidemic to start" i thought they were vaccinating the cattle  | |||
"I have a question:-how do you ensure you vaccinate enough badgers to give them "herd immunity" we can't seem to do it with people hence the current measles problem,that shows you only have to miss a few per cent for an epidemic to start i thought they were vaccinating the cattle "Two culling trials start tomorrow morning. | |||
"I have a question:-how do you ensure you vaccinate enough badgers to give them "herd immunity" we can't seem to do it with people hence the current measles problem,that shows you only have to miss a few per cent for an epidemic to start i thought they were vaccinating the cattle
Two culling trials start tomorrow morning."no - i know the culing is taking place because develping the vacine would be very costly but the post i quoted said thety were thinking of vaccinating the badgers not the cattle, thats what confused me | |||
"I have a question:-how do you ensure you vaccinate enough badgers to give them "herd immunity" we can't seem to do it with people hence the current measles problem,that shows you only have to miss a few per cent for an epidemic to start i thought they were vaccinating the cattle
Two culling trials start tomorrow morning.
no - i know the culing is taking place because develping the vacine would be very costly but the post i quoted said thety were thinking of vaccinating the badgers not the cattle, thats what confused me"Ah! | |||
