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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon

This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?

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By *atricia ParnelWoman  over a year ago

In a town full of colours

I do this

I hate running out of milk x

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By *uriousscouserWoman  over a year ago

Wirral

I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple  over a year ago

notts


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?"

We always have a pint of ordinary milk in the freezer for emergencies, it does freeze, the trick though is to remember to defrost it BEFORE you actually run out lol.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don’t like it in my coffee

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?"

I mostly always buy UHT milk when I am in France but their milk tastes nicer than U.K. milk anyway. I only really use it for hot milk 50/50 in my breakfast coffee so doesn’t make a lot of difference.

My cat Mitzi however is a real connoisseur and won’t touch UHT.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't analyse taste of milk so much and don't drink it enough to know the difference ! It's a great invention for these emergency times

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I do this

I hate running out of milk x"

Same here! It's just sensible. But do you actually like the taste? X

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless."

Evap? That's hardcore!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless."

I taught myself to drink black coffee because when work stopped supplying milk and ever fucker kept stealing mine I just drank black coffee and listened to people moaning about there not being milk,

Doughnut

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If I ran out of milk then I'd chuck whatever milk/substitute I had left.

I must admit, I have put breast milk in once or twice (only my own of course).

We have a milkman now though so we get regular deliveries

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By *uriousscouserWoman  over a year ago

Wirral


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless.

Evap? That's hardcore!"

Better coffee with a splash of evap than no coffee at all.

I am pretty hard-core though

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By *atricia ParnelWoman  over a year ago

In a town full of colours


"I do this

I hate running out of milk x

Same here! It's just sensible. But do you actually like the taste? X"

Yes I do

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?

We always have a pint of ordinary milk in the freezer for emergencies, it does freeze, the trick though is to remember to defrost it BEFORE you actually run out lol."

That's where the plan falls down..... I'd be waiting ages for that!

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I don’t like it in my coffee "

I'll get fresh in when you come round then

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend

Due to the recent shortage of the white stuff I keep a few green tea bags which I can have with lemon juice... quite refreshing and a change from my beloved coffee..I don't know what my mother does with the milk ..I suspect she's taking baths in the stuff

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don’t drink actual milk (haven’t done so for like 4 years) but I don’t think UHT is that bad at all!

The joys of storing soy/oat milk as it’s kinda similar when it comes to how long u can keep it there. Ahh x

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By *offee and KinksCouple  over a year ago

Notts/Derby

I like UHT milk and a couple of cartons in the fridge as back. I know it doesn’t need to be refrigerated before opening, it just easier to check the milk situation in one glance.

The taste takes me back to camping holidays when I was younger. We would buy a packs of it, since we were far from shops.

It also goes very well with Crusha, especially lime. (This is the point at which Vixen disowns me )

Stag

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have plant milk in the fridge for my tea +porridge.... It lasts for ages before its opened, so I'm in no danger of running out.. I replenish when I'm down to my last two packs

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?

I mostly always buy UHT milk when I am in France but their milk tastes nicer than U.K. milk anyway. I only really use it for hot milk 50/50 in my breakfast coffee so doesn’t make a lot of difference.

My cat Mitzi however is a real connoisseur and won’t touch UHT. "

That's one fancy cat!

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I don't analyse taste of milk so much and don't drink it enough to know the difference ! It's a great invention for these emergency times "

It reminds me of good times in my life. I'm a weirdo

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ran out of milk !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ran out of milk ! "

I just sent you directions to this thread seeing your reply on my thread

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ran out of milk !

I just sent you directions to this thread seeing your reply on my thread "

Lol thank you go run for some semi skimmed x

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend


"Ran out of milk ! "
noooo

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend

I checked out the date on some marvel I found in mum's cupboard..1992 solid as a brick

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I drink oat milk now but used to love it ! I lived for a few years in a remote house without mains electric and only drank UHT, so also good memory triggers.

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By *ily WhiteWoman  over a year ago

?

I'll drink it if the only alternative is no tea, but I wouldn't say I like it. My vegan friend introduced me to oat milk in tea...it keeps like UHT but tastes much nicer.

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless.

I taught myself to drink black coffee because when work stopped supplying milk and ever fucker kept stealing mine I just drank black coffee and listened to people moaning about there not being milk,

Doughnut "

I used to be ok with black coffee but I've really gone off it. Not bad with flavoured syrup in though.

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"If I ran out of milk then I'd chuck whatever milk/substitute I had left.

I must admit, I have put breast milk in once or twice (only my own of course).

We have a milkman now though so we get regular deliveries "

Oh I have milkman envy!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As long as you haven’t reached the levels of coffee mate then you’re good

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless.

Evap? That's hardcore!

Better coffee with a splash of evap than no coffee at all.

I am pretty hard-core though "

You really are.... you're just the coolest CS.....

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By *rivateparts!Man  over a year ago

Walking down the only road I've ever known!

I like a UHT milk.

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By *eardybobMan  over a year ago

the Goldilocks Zone

The pain is real!

Black with 2 sugars over uht for me OP...

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I do this

I hate running out of milk x

Same here! It's just sensible. But do you actually like the taste? X

Yes I do "

Well I'm not weird if you agree it tastes good then!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man  over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Yuk, yukkety yuk yuk yuk.

Only ever whole milk, usually unpasteurised.

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Due to the recent shortage of the white stuff I keep a few green tea bags which I can have with lemon juice... quite refreshing and a change from my beloved coffee..I don't know what my mother does with the milk ..I suspect she's taking baths in the stuff "

Shortage? Was there a shortage? I miss all the news.

Green tea is evil and must be stopped.

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I don’t drink actual milk (haven’t done so for like 4 years) but I don’t think UHT is that bad at all!

The joys of storing soy/oat milk as it’s kinda similar when it comes to how long u can keep it there. Ahh x "

I've not found a single substitute for cow milk that doesn't make me feel ill yet.....

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I have plant milk in the fridge for my tea +porridge.... It lasts for ages before its opened, so I'm in no danger of running out.. I replenish when I'm down to my last two packs "

Which plant does it come from?

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Ran out of milk ! "

I feel your pain. I really do

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I checked out the date on some marvel I found in mum's cupboard..1992 solid as a brick "

Erm. Time to clear out the cupboard....

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man  over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"I have plant milk in the fridge for my tea +porridge.... It lasts for ages before its opened, so I'm in no danger of running out.. I replenish when I'm down to my last two packs

Which plant does it come from?"

Cow parsley?

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I drink oat milk now but used to love it ! I lived for a few years in a remote house without mains electric and only drank UHT, so also good memory triggers."

I don't have that much of a memory trigger.... but good times still!

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I'll drink it if the only alternative is no tea, but I wouldn't say I like it. My vegan friend introduced me to oat milk in tea...it keeps like UHT but tastes much nicer. "

I cant stand it in coffee....

Haven't tried in tea though.

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"As long as you haven’t reached the levels of coffee mate then you’re good "

Wash your mouth out!!

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I like a UHT milk."

Just one? That's rather specific....

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


" The pain is real!

Black with 2 sugars over uht for me OP... "

I've got it just how you like it

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Yuk, yukkety yuk yuk yuk.

Only ever whole milk, usually unpasteurised. "

I'll get some in for you

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I have plant milk in the fridge for my tea +porridge.... It lasts for ages before its opened, so I'm in no danger of running out.. I replenish when I'm down to my last two packs

Which plant does it come from?

Cow parsley? "

That would take a lot of squashing!

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By *rivateparts!Man  over a year ago

Walking down the only road I've ever known!


"I like a UHT milk.

Just one? That's rather specific...."

There's always one for backup in the cupboard along with some tins of evaporated milk too, in fact I may make an evap one later or get some strawberries to pour it over

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is something I need to do

I’ve run out of milk

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I go through a lot of milk. If I run out I will always just go to the local shop.

My need for milk outweighs my need for laziness.

However I too always have a backup plan.

Oat milk.

It keeps and its quite nice. Oaty.

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"I have plant milk in the fridge for my tea +porridge.... It lasts for ages before its opened, so I'm in no danger of running out.. I replenish when I'm down to my last two packs

Which plant does it come from?"

i like KOKO... Coconut innit

Yes, i like nut juice

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By *eyond PurityCouple  over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I’ve changed over to almond milk as an alternative and I can’t say I’ve noticed much difference in taste.

Tastes great in porridge and granola.

Did taste fine in coffee, although it looks strange…but I’ve drank coffee black for the last week or so…

K

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By *r.SJMan  over a year ago

Wellingborough

Do tend to try and keep a spare, until it gets used and then forgotten to replace

But do enjoy it... recently took a carton of it away with me, along with coffee and sugar, just to ensure I could have coffee when I got there and knowing it'd last better when opened etc but anyway... best bit being was drinking it straight from the carton before moving on

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Like to drink UHT milk...for some reason reminds me of being back in paris

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless.

Evap? That's hardcore!

Better coffee with a splash of evap than no coffee at all.

I am pretty hard-core though "

Actually there is a Fab way to use evaporated in coffee. Put a heaped teaspoon of good quality instant coffee in mug, add about 1/4 cup of evaporated and mix together until the coffee and milk are totally blended together. Top up with boiling water. Really good when you run out of ground coffee. An Israeli boyfriend many years ago showed me how to make this.

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By *teveanddebsCouple  over a year ago

Norwich

It's all we use as we only have a small fridge and can keep it in the cupboard.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?

I mostly always buy UHT milk when I am in France but their milk tastes nicer than U.K. milk anyway. I only really use it for hot milk 50/50 in my breakfast coffee so doesn’t make a lot of difference.

My cat Mitzi however is a real connoisseur and won’t touch UHT.

That's one fancy cat!"

Yes she’s Bengal/Siamese cross and fussy with what she eats too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I checked out the date on some marvel I found in mum's cupboard..1992 solid as a brick "

Yuk that’s horrid in coffee anyway - always floats as scum on the top.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Due to the recent shortage of the white stuff I keep a few green tea bags which I can have with lemon juice... quite refreshing and a change from my beloved coffee..I don't know what my mother does with the milk ..I suspect she's taking baths in the stuff

Shortage? Was there a shortage? I miss all the news.

Green tea is evil and must be stopped."

Green tea is

And I drink both coffee and black tea without milk, quite happily

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I like a UHT milk.

Just one? That's rather specific....

There's always one for backup in the cupboard along with some tins of evaporated milk too, in fact I may make an evap one later or get some strawberries to pour it over "

Oooh choices!

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"This is something I need to do

I’ve run out of milk "

Nooooo! It's a good backup

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I go through a lot of milk. If I run out I will always just go to the local shop.

My need for milk outweighs my need for laziness.

However I too always have a backup plan.

Oat milk.

It keeps and its quite nice. Oaty. "

I'm really not an oat milk fan. My sister uses it and I just can't get used to it in coffee. On granola it works.

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I have plant milk in the fridge for my tea +porridge.... It lasts for ages before its opened, so I'm in no danger of running out.. I replenish when I'm down to my last two packs

Which plant does it come from?

i like KOKO... Coconut innit

Yes, i like nut juice "

Nut juice is delicious. But not in coffee

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I’ve changed over to almond milk as an alternative and I can’t say I’ve noticed much difference in taste.

Tastes great in porridge and granola.

Did taste fine in coffee, although it looks strange…but I’ve drank coffee black for the last week or so…

K"

That was my issue with almond milk.... it looks weird in coffee. I am clearly just superficial and all about the looks

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Do tend to try and keep a spare, until it gets used and then forgotten to replace

But do enjoy it... recently took a carton of it away with me, along with coffee and sugar, just to ensure I could have coffee when I got there and knowing it'd last better when opened etc but anyway... best bit being was drinking it straight from the carton before moving on "

That is pure genius.... I do that when I go away as well. Great minds!

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Like to drink UHT milk...for some reason reminds me of being back in paris"

Happy memories are good to revisit

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I only use milk in my coffee, so I can't tell any difference!

I do always have a couple of cartons of UHT in though, and a couple of tins of evap if things get desperate. I don't risk being coffeeless.

Evap? That's hardcore!

Better coffee with a splash of evap than no coffee at all.

I am pretty hard-core though

Actually there is a Fab way to use evaporated in coffee. Put a heaped teaspoon of good quality instant coffee in mug, add about 1/4 cup of evaporated and mix together until the coffee and milk are totally blended together. Top up with boiling water. Really good when you run out of ground coffee. An Israeli boyfriend many years ago showed me how to make this."

I may have to try that at some point.... sounds creamy

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"It's all we use as we only have a small fridge and can keep it in the cupboard."

I have a ridiculously large fridge for one person. It currently has uht milk, bacon and assorted sauces in. And a random bottle of wine of indeterminate origin....

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By *avetrucker999Man  over a year ago

Grimsby

I'm a man so I never run out of milk

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?

I mostly always buy UHT milk when I am in France but their milk tastes nicer than U.K. milk anyway. I only really use it for hot milk 50/50 in my breakfast coffee so doesn’t make a lot of difference.

My cat Mitzi however is a real connoisseur and won’t touch UHT.

That's one fancy cat!

Yes she’s Bengal/Siamese cross and fussy with what she eats too."

My daft dog used to be the same. And she wouldn't tell me when she wasn't hungry.... would just look at me with disdain when I put the food down

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Due to the recent shortage of the white stuff I keep a few green tea bags which I can have with lemon juice... quite refreshing and a change from my beloved coffee..I don't know what my mother does with the milk ..I suspect she's taking baths in the stuff

Shortage? Was there a shortage? I miss all the news.

Green tea is evil and must be stopped.

Green tea is

And I drink both coffee and black tea without milk, quite happily "

Aww..... you're saving me from the evil of the green tea by drinking my share! Thanks KC!

I love that bra.... I think I have the same one somewhere

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By *otSoPosh OP   Woman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"I'm a man so I never run out of milk"

There are too many ways we can take this.....

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By *indergirlWoman  over a year ago

somewhere, someplace

I've been out of milk for days, I forget to get it as I don't really have it. The small people are complaining so I need to get some.... But it means getting out of bed and I'm icky

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By *acey_RedWoman  over a year ago

Liverpool

I hate UHT milk

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Due to the recent shortage of the white stuff I keep a few green tea bags which I can have with lemon juice... quite refreshing and a change from my beloved coffee..I don't know what my mother does with the milk ..I suspect she's taking baths in the stuff

Shortage? Was there a shortage? I miss all the news.

Green tea is evil and must be stopped.

Green tea is

And I drink both coffee and black tea without milk, quite happily

Aww..... you're saving me from the evil of the green tea by drinking my share! Thanks KC!

I love that bra.... I think I have the same one somewhere "

Awwwww, fanks Lacey has it in black

I'm just sat here, sipping my milky Lactofree coffee

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I buy long life milk semi skimmed. It was a godsend last winter when we couldn't get out. I've already bought a couple of cartons and will probably get a few more in case of any emergency this winter. Although I'm pretty sure we'll be ok this winter x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This will come as a shock to anyone who knows me even a little, but I ran out of milk again. Luckily I planned for this last time in shopped and bought some UHT stuff for emergency (lazy) moments.

Apparently I'm weird for actually quite liking it though. Anyone else join me in my weirdness? Do you like the stuff? Not like it? Couldn't give a monkey's as long as you have milky goodness for your beverage?

I mostly always buy UHT milk when I am in France but their milk tastes nicer than U.K. milk anyway. I only really use it for hot milk 50/50 in my breakfast coffee so doesn’t make a lot of difference.

My cat Mitzi however is a real connoisseur and won’t touch UHT.

That's one fancy cat!

Yes she’s Bengal/Siamese cross and fussy with what she eats too.

My daft dog used to be the same. And she wouldn't tell me when she wasn't hungry.... would just look at me with disdain when I put the food down "

My little rescue terrier is ridiculously fussy about food. She won’t eat the same thing two days running, has never eaten dog biscuits since I got her and if I try to tempt her to eat freshly cooked chicken she turns her head to the side with the most stubborn expression. But she does like milk sometimes and adores yogurt of any flavour.

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By *gent CoulsonMan  over a year ago

Secret hideaway in the pennines

I always make sure I have a couple of pint of UHT milk in just in case

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend

I've gotta get a uht spare today

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By *ussexualMan  over a year ago

Brighton

I'm training myself to drink black coffee so I can drink in the morning as part of my 8:16 fasting.

Otherwise I buy whatever non-dairy is on offer in the supermarket. Using pea milk at the moment, which is surprisingly nice on weetabix.

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By *ake and ScribbleCouple  over a year ago

Hampshire

I have two grandchildren who will drink it straight from the carton, made warm by the sun when we camp.

Makes me heave.

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By *othicslaveCouple  over a year ago

Norfolk

We buy it permanently, nothing wrong with it. I cant drink fresh milk, plus side it lasts forever and cheap as. (Unless you have a teen kid, then everything is gone..)

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