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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now" Why is it silly, OP? | |||
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now" How is it silly? | |||
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now" It is getting to inclusive for you and you are worried that it’s going to effect your life in some way? | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc" My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc" We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant" Need we say no more! There’s a barrage of comments looming so don the PPE mate because things are gonna get rough  | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. " Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant Need we say no more! There’s a barrage of comments looming so don the PPE mate because things are gonna get rough "Why are you offending CDEGA people | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant" Someone always comes out with this on one of these threads. Lame | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant Someone always comes out with this on one of these threads. Lame " That’s a comfort knowing I’m not the only one thinking that things can go a bit too far  | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant" The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x | |||
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now" I love word games. The longest word I can make from those letters is "spatial".
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"This is a similar question to “why isn’t there a straight pride?” And similar to “not all men” Minorities that are persecuted and struggle to be acknowledged - having as many letters to be more inclusive can only be a good thing surely " Yes I agree mate but what happens when there’s too many letters and some poor sod forgets a letter? Key board warriors prepare for battle I’m sure lol | |||
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"Similarly, you could describe LGBT as non-hetro or alt-hetro, if it needs to account for every sexuality that might fall under that banner rather than just expanding the letter arrangement which will make it harder to get their point across or will just lead to people being lazy and just saying lgbt and then being accused of leaving others out. " Or 'queer'. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x" That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why??" Who is calling you an ignorant pig? | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why??" I don’t think it’s anyone’s duty. It’s impossible to remember when things change so much. Someone said the other day “I’m not offended unless it’s someone’s intention to offend” or something like that! There’s a big difference in making a genuine slip up and doing it intentionally. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? " Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think  | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? I don’t think it’s anyone’s duty. It’s impossible to remember when things change so much. Someone said the other day “I’m not offended unless it’s someone’s intention to offend” or something like that! There’s a big difference in making a genuine slip up and doing it intentionally. " That I can reason with | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant" Now who's being silly??? | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think "Will you, though? If you're not sure how someone likes to be addressed, can you not just ask them politely? That's what I do. No, I don't always get it right, but I've never had anyone call me an ignorant pig or similar if I say "Sorry, how would you like to be addressed? I've forgotten". | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think
Will you, though? If you're not sure how someone likes to be addressed, can you not just ask them politely? That's what I do. No, I don't always get it right, but I've never had anyone call me an ignorant pig or similar if I say "Sorry, how would you like to be addressed? I've forgotten".
"You must be more tolerant than me then because I refuse to ask every person I meet etc to ask “how would you like to be addressed”. I treat everybody I meet like human beings and nothing more and certainly nothing less regardless of what letter of the alphabet they’ve chosen to be if any. People are people NOT the latest fad (not in all cases I’m sure) | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think
Will you, though? If you're not sure how someone likes to be addressed, can you not just ask them politely? That's what I do. No, I don't always get it right, but I've never had anyone call me an ignorant pig or similar if I say "Sorry, how would you like to be addressed? I've forgotten".
You must be more tolerant than me then because I refuse to ask every person I meet etc to ask “how would you like to be addressed”.
I treat everybody I meet like human beings and nothing more and certainly nothing less regardless of what letter of the alphabet they’ve chosen to be if any.
People are people NOT the latest fad (not in all cases I’m sure)"I didn't say every person you meet. I said if I wasn't sure. You seem to be awfully annoyed about an imaginary situation. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” " Comparing someone's sexual identity to a table leg is a bit dismissive of people who are encompassed with these letters. And it's not necessarily about others being inclusive. It's about making it easier to find others who have similar experiences and feelings to you. It's about making those who feel a bit different to society norms find those who understand them and their issues. I just don't understand why anyone would begrudge this to someone. When as far as I can see it doesn't hurt anyone else. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think
Will you, though? If you're not sure how someone likes to be addressed, can you not just ask them politely? That's what I do. No, I don't always get it right, but I've never had anyone call me an ignorant pig or similar if I say "Sorry, how would you like to be addressed? I've forgotten".
You must be more tolerant than me then because I refuse to ask every person I meet etc to ask “how would you like to be addressed”.
I treat everybody I meet like human beings and nothing more and certainly nothing less regardless of what letter of the alphabet they’ve chosen to be if any.
People are people NOT the latest fad (not in all cases I’m sure)"Think she meant if you’re not sure. Not actually everyone you meet! | |||
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"People are people NOT the latest fad (not in all cases I’m sure)" Because all people are the same? | |||
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"I can't stand being reduced to a bunch of letters personally, only one of which I identify as but it seems to make it easier for the liberals to categorise me into one homogeneous group " This is the same in the gay community. Most gay people I know can’t stand being associated with all these letter etc. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant Now who's being silly???" Why are you offending me by saying I'm silly are you silly for being what you want to be | |||
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"I can't stand being reduced to a bunch of letters personally, only one of which I identify as but it seems to make it easier for the liberals to categorise me into one homogeneous group This is the same in the gay community. Most gay people I know can’t stand being associated with all these letter etc. " Yep. Most gay people I know can't stand being lumped into a group that they would never normally have anything in common with | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think
Will you, though? If you're not sure how someone likes to be addressed, can you not just ask them politely? That's what I do. No, I don't always get it right, but I've never had anyone call me an ignorant pig or similar if I say "Sorry, how would you like to be addressed? I've forgotten".
You must be more tolerant than me then because I refuse to ask every person I meet etc to ask “how would you like to be addressed”.
I treat everybody I meet like human beings and nothing more and certainly nothing less regardless of what letter of the alphabet they’ve chosen to be if any.
People are people NOT the latest fad (not in all cases I’m sure)
I didn't say every person you meet. I said if I wasn't sure.
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc My point exactly and what about people who identify as animals where is the CDEGA cat dog elephant giraffe and ant The identifying as animals/fridges/whatever is a red herring thrown in by people to ridicule those who identify in a different way from "mainstream". Nobody is running out of letters and numbers either, that's a childish argument. "I identify as such-and-such" "Nope, no letters left, no such thing!" I quote you above "come on people, just be who you are or want to be" - absobloodylutely! Some people seek out a label because they want to belong. They want to find others who they can identify with. Human beings can be very tribal. Others are happy being who they are and don't feel they want or need to label themselves. What does it matter to you? Does what other people call themselves affect you? So many people I know have gone through a stage of feeling they are freaks, alone, even dirty and shameful because they have been unable to reconcile their inner selves with the outer self they present to the world. Don't they deserve to be who they want to be? Mrs TMN x That’s not the debate I’m talking about although not far off. It’s to do with the labeling and if you don’t/can’t remember what they are or want to be then your just another ignorant pig etc. I suppose what I’m trying to say is where does it end?? I’ve no problem with all walks of life BUT I do have a problem with trying to keep up with the new craze that someone has thought they want to be and ITS MY DUTY to remember! Why?? Who is calling you an ignorant pig? Nobody! But that’s how you’ll come across if you don’t “remember” certain identities/labels. Think we will have to just agree to disagree here I think
Will you, though? If you're not sure how someone likes to be addressed, can you not just ask them politely? That's what I do. No, I don't always get it right, but I've never had anyone call me an ignorant pig or similar if I say "Sorry, how would you like to be addressed? I've forgotten".
You must be more tolerant than me then because I refuse to ask every person I meet etc to ask “how would you like to be addressed”.
I treat everybody I meet like human beings and nothing more and certainly nothing less regardless of what letter of the alphabet they’ve chosen to be if any.
People are people NOT the latest fad (not in all cases I’m sure)
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"Great to see the dimwit opinions expose their low IQ levels in understanding acceptance. We can’t even blame covid for their poor education. " What do we have here Mr superior with a high IQ maybe we should all agree with you as no one else has been educated | |||
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"Great to see the dimwit opinions expose their low IQ levels in understanding acceptance. We can’t even blame covid for their poor education. " Low IQ?? Why?? Because I don’t agree with what all you “High Level IQ” people? Is that what im missing here? Im thick? WOW now that explains a lot so I’d better get a move on and join night school so to correct my opinions etc. Cheers mate | |||
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"In fairness it can be hard to keep track of things. Years ago I was sat with a friend of mine who was explaining to a woman why he was black (rather than 'coloured'). At that time people spoke of 'BME'. This later became 'BAME'. Now we have 'people of colour'. Had that woman stuck to her guns she'd be more or less on point now
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"Funnily enough the ones that want to take letters out in order to "make it easier to remember" are never the ones that identify using the letters they want to remove. I could for instance suggest that reducing it to just "TG" would cover everyone, using Trans to cover all gender variations and Gay to cover all sexuality variations. At which point I would get mobbed by every Lesbian and every Bisexual person. Names mean something, and acronyms for names mean something. Very short history lesson to illustrate: The LGBT Foundation in Manchester is one of this countries largest charitable establishments that is devoted to (in the words of their own website) "... provide a wide range of support services to lesbian, gay, bi and trans people. We also work with healthcare and other professionals to help make public services more accessible and inclusive for LGBT communities." However prior to 2015 they were just the LGF, the Lesbian and Gay Foundation. They already stated that they were also Bi and Trans accepting and supportive, but there had always been some voices within the L and G communities that would protest that Bi wasn't a proper sexuality (they just can't make their minds up, it's only straight people looking for a thrill) and that Trans shouldn't be anything to do with it (that's gender, it's nothing to do with sexuality). It was only when Transgender and Bisexual communities became a big enough nuisance to demand public representation that the foundation changed its name - only 6 years ago. Diverse sexualities and genders are added into the acronym LGBT... in order to recognise that they exist. The true reason why detractors want to remove letters is to be able to erase this diversity from public recognition. Is the acronym becoming unwieldy? Yes, definitely. So should it be shortened? No, definitely not, because of the very fact that people only want to shorten it in order to deny the existence of minority groups." I agree so can we add CDEGA | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc" You are clearly in a position of privilege where u hve not had to ‘out’ yourself. Identity is important in terms of sexuality. | |||
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"Funnily enough the ones that want to take letters out in order to "make it easier to remember" are never the ones that identify using the letters they want to remove. I could for instance suggest that reducing it to just "TG" would cover everyone, using Trans to cover all gender variations and Gay to cover all sexuality variations. At which point I would get mobbed by every Lesbian and every Bisexual person. Names mean something, and acronyms for names mean something. Very short history lesson to illustrate: The LGBT Foundation in Manchester is one of this countries largest charitable establishments that is devoted to (in the words of their own website) "... provide a wide range of support services to lesbian, gay, bi and trans people. We also work with healthcare and other professionals to help make public services more accessible and inclusive for LGBT communities." However prior to 2015 they were just the LGF, the Lesbian and Gay Foundation. They already stated that they were also Bi and Trans accepting and supportive, but there had always been some voices within the L and G communities that would protest that Bi wasn't a proper sexuality (they just can't make their minds up, it's only straight people looking for a thrill) and that Trans shouldn't be anything to do with it (that's gender, it's nothing to do with sexuality). It was only when Transgender and Bisexual communities became a big enough nuisance to demand public representation that the foundation changed its name - only 6 years ago. Diverse sexualities and genders are added into the acronym LGBT... in order to recognise that they exist. The true reason why detractors want to remove letters is to be able to erase this diversity from public recognition. Is the acronym becoming unwieldy? Yes, definitely. So should it be shortened? No, definitely not, because of the very fact that people only want to shorten it in order to deny the existence of minority groups. I agree so can we add CDEGA" How do you even expect to be taken seriously with comments like that? | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc" On your profile you label yourself as a man and straight. | |||
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"The trans/homophobia and ignorant opinions being expressed here is actually disturbing considering the nature of this site. Just be respectful. If you don’t understand then educate. Ignorance isn’t bliss. " Yet another superior person who thinks they are the only ones educated | |||
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"The trans/homophobia and ignorant opinions being expressed here is actually disturbing considering the nature of this site. Just be respectful. If you don’t understand then educate. Ignorance isn’t bliss. Yet another superior person who thinks they are the only ones educated" | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc You are clearly in a position of privilege where u hve not had to ‘out’ yourself. Identity is important in terms of sexuality. " Give yourself a pat on the back! You covered most things including privilege | |||
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now" I prefer GSRD Gender, sexuality, relationship diverse. | |||
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"Great to see the dimwit opinions expose their low IQ levels in understanding acceptance. We can’t even blame covid for their poor education. What do we have here Mr superior with a high IQ maybe we should all agree with you as no one else has been educated" | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc On your profile you label yourself as a man and straight. " Your point being?? Oh hang on!! I should add another letter yeah?? | |||
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now What this mean?" L = Lesbian G = Gay B = Bisexual T = Transgender Q = Queer (sexuality) Q = Queer (gender) Q = self Questioning (open to exploring sexuality and/or gender, not yet sure where they fit in, some may decide that they fit in some particular group, some may remain open to developing and changing through their entire life) I = Intersex (a whole bunch of different physical conditions where genetically or physically the body does not drop directly into one of the neat categories female or male) P = Pansexual (different to bisexual, as it recognises that there are more than two neat genders of female and male) 2S = 2 Spirited (originally to refer to indigenous North American people of "third gender", controversial when used by other communities due to cultural appropriation concerns) A = Asexual (not being sexually attracted to either males or females, although may still have romantic associations without wanting sexual connection) A = Aromantic (not being romantically attracted to either males or females, although may still have sexual associations without wanting romantic connection) A = Ally (heterosexual cisgender, but shows alliance with sexual and gender divergent communities) + = everything else, placeholder to add extra letters as necessary Extras suggested by some include S = Swing, K = Kink, S = Sub, D = Dom There is no suggestion that identities that do not relate to sexuality or gender should be added. And of course behaviours that are non-consensual, harming to others, illegal are excluded. Apologies to anyone that I've missed out, even the walking encyclopedia Polly doesn't know everything | |||
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"It's about many things, but one of the most important is being seen. You cannot connect, help and include people if they are swept under the carpet. Visibility is important to all people, regardless of their gender, sexual preferences, socio-economic group, religion or whatever. No one should be "left behind". " | |||
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"Self Questioning?? Are you serious!!? Why does that need to be a “label” Whatever happened to being just inquisitive or curious? Sorry we already have Bi curious so let’s “create another way of saying the same thing but in a “different” way because let’s face it some people in life don’t want to be normal (take that as you will) but desperately trying to create another way of life for themselves and then make us all acknowledge it. Probably time I log off and get on with normal day to day issues other than this train wreck lol. Normal?? Jeez I hope I didn’t offend anybody "Some people dont want to b normal???? Are u for real??? | |||
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"Self Questioning?? Are you serious!!? Why does that need to be a “label” Whatever happened to being just inquisitive or curious? Sorry we already have Bi curious so let’s “create another way of saying the same thing but in a “different” way because let’s face it some people in life don’t want to be normal (take that as you will) but desperately trying to create another way of life for themselves and then make us all acknowledge it. Probably time I log off and get on with normal day to day issues other than this train wreck lol. Normal?? Jeez I hope I didn’t offend anybody
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"I don’t agree with the below statement. Although, I appreciate the sentiments shared. In my opinion it’s not about being left behind nor is it about needing help. All people should be given equal opportunities. And disrespecting people’s personal choices isn’t acceptable. " We can debate the semantics of "help" as much as you like. I was using it in the context of "if you don't know such and such exists, how can you possibly assist if needed" which comes back round to visibility and representation again. I agree, all people should be given equal opportunities (to be more specific, equitable opportunities, because what is equal for you, may not be equal for me). And representation and visibility is a key part of being "seen", and that is very much a part of not being left behind. If you do not feel that there are people being left behind (and therefore not seen), you may need to adjust your mirrors a little more widely, but you are off to a good start and better than many, so kudos to you. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” " No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. | |||
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"Self Questioning?? Are you serious!!? Why does that need to be a “label” Whatever happened to being just inquisitive or curious? Sorry we already have Bi curious so let’s “create another way of saying the same thing but in a “different” way because let’s face it some people in life don’t want to be normal (take that as you will) but desperately trying to create another way of life for themselves and then make us all acknowledge it. Probably time I log off and get on with normal day to day issues other than this train wreck lol. Normal?? Jeez I hope I didn’t offend anybody "I quite like self questioning .... As I suspect many ppl who hear bi curious think of a straight person experimenting with same sex. How many picture a gay or lesbian person considering the opposite sex. Imo it's very easy not to need a label or tribe when you are the norm. Im a ENM bisexual hetroromantic cis male.... And can see where my "norm" sides have been a lot easier to run with than my non norm. | |||
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"Self Questioning?? Are you serious!!? Why does that need to be a “label” Whatever happened to being just inquisitive or curious? Sorry we already have Bi curious so let’s “create another way of saying the same thing but in a “different” way because let’s face it some people in life don’t want to be normal (take that as you will) but desperately trying to create another way of life for themselves and then make us all acknowledge it. Probably time I log off and get on with normal day to day issues other than this train wreck lol. Normal?? Jeez I hope I didn’t offend anybody
Some people dont want to b normal???? Are u for real???
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. " I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously  | |||
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"No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. " Same as the "I identify as an attack helicopter" bollocks. I just presume those people are deep in the closet, angry at themselves and projecting that anger on others... and tbh, it's been on the money a few times. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously "They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it? | |||
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"If it doesn't involve you, why do you care You answered that yourself didn't you? My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". I don't agree with the assumption but if you believe in that logic arguably there's a legitimate interest." The assumption has been correct multiple times, Alex Jones being one of the best examples. That moron talked about LGBTQ being some communist plot...then he was found watching trans porn. For me, that outward angry, want to question others lives, is a defence, an attempt to hide from the same accusations they're throwing. Like bullies at school, he do it so it doesn't happen to them. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it? "Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that. I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week! As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip…. Some of my best mates are LGBTQ++OGFSUOYEVZMPWG | |||
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"If it doesn't involve you, why do you care You answered that yourself didn't you? My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". I don't agree with the assumption but if you believe in that logic arguably there's a legitimate interest. The assumption has been correct multiple times, Alex Jones being one of the best examples. That moron talked about LGBTQ being some communist plot...then he was found watching trans porn. For me, that outward angry, want to question others lives, is a defence, an attempt to hide from the same accusations they're throwing. Like bullies at school, he do it so it doesn't happen to them." Yep you’ve hit the nail on the head matey! | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip….
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip….
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"If it doesn't involve you, why do you care You answered that yourself didn't you? My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". I don't agree with the assumption but if you believe in that logic arguably there's a legitimate interest. The assumption has been correct multiple times, Alex Jones being one of the best examples. That moron talked about LGBTQ being some communist plot...then he was found watching trans porn. For me, that outward angry, want to question others lives, is a defence, an attempt to hide from the same accusations they're throwing. Like bullies at school, he do it so it doesn't happen to them." I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that I wouldn't personally make the assumption. I think some people just have difficulty with the idea that others may not be the same as themselves and that makes them uncomfortable. | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip….
Some of my best mates are LGBTQ++OGFSUOYEVZMPWG
Do you share these thoughts with them?
The only people 'ramming' anything down people throats seem to be those who try to ridicule and belittle those that choose to identify as something other than straight. Always very aggressive and excessive use of "I’m not nor have I!! I’m just saying we don’t need a label for everything | |||
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"I don’t agree with the below statement. Although, I appreciate the sentiments shared. In my opinion it’s not about being left behind nor is it about needing help. All people should be given equal opportunities. And disrespecting people’s personal choices isn’t acceptable. We can debate the semantics of "help" as much as you like. I was using it in the context of "if you don't know such and such exists, how can you possibly assist if needed" which comes back round to visibility and representation again. I agree, all people should be given equal opportunities (to be more specific, equitable opportunities, because what is equal for you, may not be equal for me). And representation and visibility is a key part of being "seen", and that is very much a part of not being left behind. If you do not feel that there are people being left behind (and therefore not seen), you may need to adjust your mirrors a little more widely, but you are off to a good start and better than many, so kudos to you. " | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip….
Some of my best mates are LGBTQ++OGFSUOYEVZMPWG
Do you share these thoughts with them?
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I’m not nor have I!!
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip….
Some of my best mates are LGBTQ++OGFSUOYEVZMPWG "By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. I cannot imagine you have any friends of diverse sexuality or gender that come hammering on your door demanding that you refer to them differently this week. I can imagine that by reason of whatever work you do, you might have to interact with colleagues or members of the public that become offended if you express homophobic views or refuse to use the name that they declare themselves by. If this does happen, these people are not demanding anything special, they are just expecting to receive the normal level of respect that you should show to everybody. You are demonstrating disrespect. Other than that, it is literally nothing to do with you. | |||
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"I’ve not read the thread, mainly because it seems to be the intent to be ignorant and ridicule members of the LGBTQ+ community (that’s how it’s shortened by the way OP). It’s easy to ridicule people who are looking for identity and community when you’re part of the cis heterosexual community which is as everywhere and everything. Community and representation is desperately important to many people who feel ignored or threatened by society, the LGBTQ+ movement gives that and helps many to understand who they are and to express something that they don’t know how to. If you want to know, understand and learn, there are plenty of people who can share their knowledge and understanding but don’t be so quick to dismiss something that is so important to so many, simply because you don’t understand "  | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. 100% on the money. 100%. I'm straight, all my friends are. I don't have anybody in and around my life that is homosexual. Nothing LGBTQ related impacts my life, ever. Don't understand why people get some upset?!" And this is the problem for both sides of this thread, people don't understand why people get so upset. Nothing will be resolved, nobody will have the last word, all that will be achieved is a more resolute positions in their beliefs. | |||
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"We should get rid of labels. Fab should make everyone bisexual (maybe pan) and lock it down. We are all just different degrees of bi/pan .... After all what is a heterosexual but someone who lives their sexuality what they label others...." Suits me. If we have too many labels, eliminate straight. After all, we know straight guys secretly yearn for cock. Or something | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. " By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments" | |||
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"We should get rid of labels. Fab should make everyone bisexual (maybe pan) and lock it down. We are all just different degrees of bi/pan .... After all what is a heterosexual but someone who lives their sexuality what they label others...." | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments" Don’t presume!! | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments" Sod those bloody heterosexuals. How dare they be represented | |||
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"And this is the problem for both sides of this thread, people don't understand why people get so upset. Nothing will be resolved, nobody will have the last word, all that will be achieved is a more resolute positions in their beliefs. " The "both sides" point doesn't really work here. Because one side is just trying to get on with their lives, while the other is questioning another's existence. It's not even. When you say "both sides" you're not being fair, one side is attacking/questioning the other. It isn't balanced. If somebody attacks you, questions who you are, why is it on you... to understand them? You're asking people who are in a defensive position, to react the same as somebody who isn't defending themselves. | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments" absolutely right | |||
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"This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value." The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. | |||
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"And this is the problem for both sides of this thread, people don't understand why people get so upset. Nothing will be resolved, nobody will have the last word, all that will be achieved is a more resolute positions in their beliefs. The "both sides" point doesn't really work here. Because one side is just trying to get on with their lives, while the other is questioning another's existence. It's not even. When you say "both sides" you're not being fair, one side is attacking/questioning the other. It isn't balanced. If somebody attacks you, questions who you are, why is it on you... to understand them? You're asking people who are in a defensive position, to react the same as somebody who isn't defending themselves. " I think you have made my point, if people are not prepared to try and understand other people from all sides of an argument, you have stalemate, no resolution and nothing changes. Except maybe the volume | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. 100% on the money. 100%. I'm straight, all my friends are. I don't have anybody in and around my life that is homosexual. Nothing LGBTQ related impacts my life, ever. Don't understand why people get some upset?!" | |||
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"This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. " Well that's helpful. NEXT ! | |||
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"This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. " | |||
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"Just a note : Cross Dressers doesn’t mean a person is homosexual. Cross dressing is a fetish. This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. " I didn't say he was homosexual. I said he was found to be cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ clientele. I have actually got no idea what his true sexual orientation was. I suspect he was not heterosexual (as he projected to be). He was incredibly homophobic and also hateful about anyone who was not "traditional" cis-gender and straight. I believe that this attitude was due to his ingrained prejudice against himself, but I'll never know for sure. | |||
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"This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. " Many of the most openly homophobic people from my childhood turned out to be gay. Kids from school, angry angry kids. Utterly bizarre. That's why it's just my go to, I don't get angry or throw the opinion out, I just look at people like the OP and think "that guys in the closet" and go about my day. These people aren't worth it tbh. | |||
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"Just a note : Cross Dressers doesn’t mean a person is homosexual. Cross dressing is a fetish. This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. " Really Mr high Q?? Or is it a cry for help? Or is it attention seeking?? Or is it another reason to be different?? Sorry I’ll put my dunces hat back to the correct position | |||
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"Just a note : Cross Dressers doesn’t mean a person is homosexual. Cross dressing is a fetish. This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. Really Mr high Q?? Or is it a cry for help? Or is it attention seeking?? Or is it another reason to be different?? Sorry I’ll put my dunces hat back to the correct position "You have replied to my comment, yet I have not interacted with you on this thread at all. Nor do I intend to, other than this reply. I have not commented on anyone's IQ or similar. For the record. | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments Sod those bloody heterosexuals. How dare they be represented " That’s not what I was saying, so let’s not start twisting words. Recognising and understanding representation and how it works in reference to mainstream culture is important in this context | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments Sod those bloody heterosexuals. How dare they be represented That’s not what I was saying, so let’s not start twisting words. Recognising and understanding representation and how it works in reference to mainstream culture is important in this context" To you maybe ... | |||
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"Oh dear. The statement made is typical of many . Believing you’re not part of the problem. By not realising the position taken. Being silent and ignorant fuels the very issue. The odds are, there are plenty of people in all our communities that are affected. Perhaps even in our extended family, but they’re too scared to speak out, because of being tone deaf. " Affected by what? You think there are many impacted by LGBTQ and they're scared to speak out because people will shoot them down? | |||
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"Just a note : Cross Dressers doesn’t mean a person is homosexual. Cross dressing is a fetish. This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. Really Mr high Q?? Or is it a cry for help? Or is it attention seeking?? Or is it another reason to be different?? Sorry I’ll put my dunces hat back to the correct position
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments Sod those bloody heterosexuals. How dare they be represented That’s not what I was saying, so let’s not start twisting words. Recognising and understanding representation and how it works in reference to mainstream culture is important in this context To you maybe ... " To people actually talking about it, instead of making sarcastic comments. | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments Sod those bloody heterosexuals. How dare they be represented That’s not what I was saying, so let’s not start twisting words. Recognising and understanding representation and how it works in reference to mainstream culture is important in this context To you maybe ... To people actually talking about it, instead of making sarcastic comments. " No sarcasm here but more than opinion.. your opinion is just one and of no more standing than any one else's | |||
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"I think we are wasting time with these arguments. Not that they aren't needed, but can you imagine if we (general people) all got along? I have met all kinds of people, some cool, some shit heads and whatever group people belong to they include both. I've seen people against racism be so negatiove about ginger headed folk, I know black people who don't care about being called black, women who want equality but will get their chap to do everything for them, women who can do manual labour way better than I can, Trans folk who are genuine and some who it could very possibly be down to mental health issues and so forth. We should just agree to be nicer to everyone we meet, not judge them, give each other a break and not jump down peoples throat for getting terms wrong, but taking someone seriously if they are genuinely offended by something. We are easier to control if we are squabbling between ourselves. But maybe this is the 'ideal world' thing. I guess we arent there yet huh? " | |||
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"Because slowly but surely they will run out of letters/numbers surely! This day and age everyone wants to be labeled something and good forbid they get forgotten about etc. Not a rant but come on people just be who you are or want to be without all the labeling etc We all use labels, mother, sister, friend the list is endless. Why should it be any different to someone's sexual identity? Why shouldn't they have the ability to feel like they fit like everyone else? By someone who is bi and didn't know it existed when a teenager and just thought they were a freak. Nobody said the don’t “fit” but I think the point is why all the ridiculous labels?? Bi, straight, curios, gay etc etc and now non binary and who’d of thunk this… people identifying as animals!!! I’ve no problem with all this but stop coming up with different ways to be different. Oh I class myself as a table leg if that’s ok? Now now you all need to welcome me and make me feel “inclusive” No one identifies sexually as an animal. Its a childish and purile response to inclusivity thrown about by those whose sole intent is to cause offence. They don't want educated debate or discussion. They just think they're hilarious for saying people identify as animals. Theg aren't. I suppose you think the same when people class themselves as non female and non male?? Then what are you!!? Come on! Seriously
They are them and i respect that. It has no affect on me and my identity so why should I get all about it? Why are you so bothered by it?
Because it’s trying to be rammed down our throats continuously about this and that.
I’m not opposed by all this circus shite BUT i am opposed by not stating which letter in the proxy alphabet they have chosen to be this week!
As for all the Homophobic comments! Get a grip….
Some of my best mates are LGBTQ++OGFSUOYEVZMPWG "I wonder what the ratio of posts like this, versus post from LGBTQ complaining that we're getting it wrong or leaving someone out? | |||
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" No sarcasm here but more than opinion.. your opinion is just one and of no more standing than any one else's " Honestly, I don't even think you understand what people are saying. Some of your replies read like somebody who is completely misunderstanding the points being made tbh. Like the whole "sod heterosexual representation" how you got that from the point being made was fucking hilarious. No wonder people thought you were being sarcastic, it's that or asking "can you read?" Lmfao. | |||
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"By rammed down your throat, I presume you mean that you deliberately seek it out in order to rage about it. Nobody is forcing a different sexuality or gender upon you. Nobody is making you read this thread. Nobody is making you learn new letters all the time. By ramming it down their throat, they mean the one time on TV that two men kissed and they felt uncomfortable, oh and that time that a same sex couple were holding hands in town. As opposed to the literal millions of references to heterosexuality that are cumulatively in every programme, book, magazine, film, radio broadcast, newspaper… Heterosexual representation is so prevalent it goes unnoticed every single minute, but a tiny bit of LGBTQ representation brings the ‘rammed down our throats’ comments Sod those bloody heterosexuals. How dare they be represented That’s not what I was saying, so let’s not start twisting words. Recognising and understanding representation and how it works in reference to mainstream culture is important in this context To you maybe ... To people actually talking about it, instead of making sarcastic comments. No sarcasm here but more than opinion.. your opinion is just one and of no more standing than any one else's " It’s hilarious that my opinion bothers you so much that you feel the need to keep trying to dismiss it. My points still stand. Attacking me is a poor alternative to discussing the topic. If you have nothing important to say, I suggest you stop commenting on my posts | |||
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA is this not getting silly now What this mean? L = Lesbian G = Gay B = Bisexual T = Transgender Q = Queer (sexuality) Q = Queer (gender) Q = self Questioning (open to exploring sexuality and/or gender, not yet sure where they fit in, some may decide that they fit in some particular group, some may remain open to developing and changing through their entire life) I = Intersex (a whole bunch of different physical conditions where genetically or physically the body does not drop directly into one of the neat categories female or male) P = Pansexual (different to bisexual, as it recognises that there are more than two neat genders of female and male) 2S = 2 Spirited (originally to refer to indigenous North American people of "third gender", controversial when used by other communities due to cultural appropriation concerns) A = Asexual (not being sexually attracted to either males or females, although may still have romantic associations without wanting sexual connection) A = Aromantic (not being romantically attracted to either males or females, although may still have sexual associations without wanting romantic connection) A = Ally (heterosexual cisgender, but shows alliance with sexual and gender divergent communities) + = everything else, placeholder to add extra letters as necessary Extras suggested by some include S = Swing, K = Kink, S = Sub, D = Dom There is no suggestion that identities that do not relate to sexuality or gender should be added. And of course behaviours that are non-consensual, harming to others, illegal are excluded. Apologies to anyone that I've missed out, even the walking encyclopedia Polly doesn't know everything "Thank you for the explanation. I have learnt so many new words over the last few years and am still open to learning. All I can say is I do try to be respectful to anyone I meet and to learn what labels and terms mean to them as an individual and how they want to be addressed etc. | |||
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"We're on another site where there are 26 labels to identify your sexuality. As valid as they may be, I had to Google most of them, and I'm not clear even now of the subtle differences between some of them, so I can't even correctly identify myself. All this has done, without further explanation in a profile narrative, has left me feeling alienated and utterly dibilitated in my ability to understand the one thing that the labels are designed for. C" Yep!! It’s all gone peek tong | |||
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"But if we said "non cis-hetero" they'd have a fit. " | |||
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"But if we said "non cis-hetero" they'd have a fit. " Bloody snowflakes... LvM | |||
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"But if we said "non cis-hetero" they'd have a fit. Bloody snowflakes... LvM" | |||
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"But if we said "non cis-hetero" they'd have a fit. " Not as big a fit as cisgender non queer majority race abled neurotypical (I'm probably missing some stuff out) | |||
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"I predict eventually all the letters will be dropped when there is no longer a need to identify people beyond what was considered 'normal' long ago. The 'A' stands for allies so once everyone is an alli (how do you spell that?) there will surely be no further need for the distinction. The op is right, it is getting a bit silly and nobody should be expected to keep up or fear saying the wrong thing but it still shouldn't be belittled nonetheless. Its not long ago it was illegal in the UK and to this day people still get killed for it in other parts of the world. Remember your privileges! X" | |||
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"Gotta admit that I'm a little bit confused. Sometimes it seems to me as if I'm just being used Gotta stay awake gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise If I don't stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this maze. "Google maps works wonders mate! Just trying to help | |||
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"But if we said "non cis-hetero" they'd have a fit. who is they? " The cis-heteros. | |||
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"But if we said "non cis-hetero" they'd have a fit. who is they? The cis-heteros. " thought so. Intrigued goose gave you the thumbs up which made me think he read it as the non cis hetti community would be having the fits. | |||
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"Easy solution. Just call me Tom. " ok tim | |||
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"Easy solution. Just call me Tom. ok tim" | |||
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"Whilst I agree that so many letters and numbers are getting hard to decipher. LGBT+ tries to include anyone who doesn't fit into what's regarded as the norm in society. Before criticising just imagine walking down your street and having Ass banger, shirt lifter, homo, Gaylord, queer, puff, cocksucker, shouted at you. Yes even now this happens as does violence against members of this community" | |||
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"Whilst I agree that so many letters and numbers are getting hard to decipher. LGBT+ tries to include anyone who doesn't fit into what's regarded as the norm in society. Before criticising just imagine walking down your street and having Ass banger, shirt lifter, homo, Gaylord, queer, puff, cocksucker, shouted at you. Yes even now this happens as does violence against members of this community "And an ever lengthening alphabet helps? | |||
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"Whilst I agree that so many letters and numbers are getting hard to decipher. LGBT+ tries to include anyone who doesn't fit into what's regarded as the norm in society. Before criticising just imagine walking down your street and having Ass banger, shirt lifter, homo, Gaylord, queer, puff, cocksucker, shouted at you. Yes even now this happens as does violence against members of this community
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"They bloody are.. soon it will have over thirty letters at this rate.. " | |||
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"They bloody are.. soon it will have over thirty letters at this rate.. " I vote for ch, dd, ff, ng, ll, ph, rh, th | |||
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"They bloody are.. soon it will have over thirty letters at this rate.. I vote for ch, dd, ff, ng, ll, ph, rh, th" Sh | |||
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"They bloody are.. soon it will have over thirty letters at this rate.. I vote for ch, dd, ff, ng, ll, ph, rh, th" I mean I'm sure these letters will never get used in any language | |||
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"They are nearly all used as part of the Welsh language daily I think" I'm glad we can be inclusive of less common languages and less common identities. We've come such a long way as a society, it's great to see people being who they are and coming out from under oppression and ignorance. | |||
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"Whilst I agree that so many letters and numbers are getting hard to decipher. LGBT+ tries to include anyone who doesn't fit into what's regarded as the norm in society. Before criticising just imagine walking down your street and having Ass banger, shirt lifter, homo, Gaylord, queer, puff, cocksucker, shouted at you. Yes even now this happens as does violence against members of this community" Which is why I prefer GSRD - gender, sexuality and relationship diverse. Covers all possible "queer" identities and lifestyles with just four letters. | |||
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"Just a note : Cross Dressers doesn’t mean a person is homosexual. Cross dressing is a fetish. This is just bog standard homophobia, nothing more. Same shit, different toilet. My entire life I've never understood homophobia other than "the person being homophobic is probably DEEP in the closet". If it doesn't involve you, why do you care? Some people will give you there opinion on subjects they don't even understand, let alone have an opinion of value. The most homophobic person I have met (my stepfather) was found to enjoy cross dressing and attending clubs aimed at the LGBTQ+ community (in secret, obviously). He outwardly projected horrific hate for the very community he was fraternising with. We'll never know what his true views were because he is now deceased. " Cross dressing is as much of a fetish as being straight is. I dont choose to be this way, I have had more than enough time in my life to wish I wasn't this way so that I didn't have to deal with it or hide who I am inside. The only choice I have ever had is what I do with it be that hiding who I am and feeling marginalised and lonely or by trusting a few people with who I am and feeling like I can be myself. This has been with me since childhood long before I knew what sex or gender even was so how can you decide that part of my physiological make up is a fetish when you've probably never had to question who or what you are? | |||
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