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"It's difficult isn't it because once fully transitioned you are anatomically a woman (not to say pre transitioned or those who choose never to transition aren't women, it's difficult to get across in words). As a woman I don't have to tell people that I have always been a woman. For some it must be a terrible and constant reminder of a traumatic time during which they put their minds and bodies through an awful lot. To relive that each time the get close to someone means they can never move on. For others I guess it's a story of celebration. Of becoming who they've always knew they were and they want to share that story. " That’s a very insightful view. I would love to put my history behind me but I also appreciate some people can’t reconcile that history in their own minds and if I’m not open with them before it goes too far, they may well feel misled. I’m not here to mislead. I’m here for mutual pleasure. | |||
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"Forgive my ignorance....but if you have a facsimile of a pussy...what do you get out of having penetrative sex ... can you orgasm...where is the pleasure for you ... "She’d be fully functional. It’s not just a hole in the skin… 
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"Forgive my ignorance....but if you have a facsimile of a pussy...what do you get out of having penetrative sex ... can you orgasm...where is the pleasure for you ...
She’d be fully functional. It’s not just a hole in the skin…
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"I think its more a mental hurdle then anything physical...I guess some men still see trans women as men mentally so thus being with one would make them gay" Which makes me think, if you see a woman complete, in everything. How can you still think of her as a man if there’s no ounce of resemblance .. just because she gave u the information of what she was born as?? We aren’t talking about transvestites who you can still tell they are men on a day to day basis. | |||
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"I think its more a mental hurdle then anything physical...I guess some men still see trans women as men mentally so thus being with one would make them gay Which makes me think, if you see a woman complete, in everything. How can you still think of her as a man if there’s no ounce of resemblance .. just because she gave u the information of what she was born as?? We aren’t talking about transvestites who you can still tell they are men on a day to day basis. " Sorry my post was if you had told someone | |||
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"I guess you are asking men in the main but, as a bi woman. I would hope the person I was meeting felt comfortable enough to tell me whatever they wanted. I've nursed post-op trans people so, have seen fantastic surgery. I've also supported people where some complications have occurred (thankfully not as many). It wouldn't matter to me what gender someone was born, it would be more about the connection. " I’m only asking more about men because I feel like us women can usually see further… or deeper While I find men have a bit of a barrier in that regard But omg, that’s amazing that u nursed some post op women!! Wow!!! X  | |||
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"I think its more a mental hurdle then anything physical...I guess some men still see trans women as men mentally so thus being with one would make them gay Which makes me think, if you see a woman complete, in everything. How can you still think of her as a man if there’s no ounce of resemblance .. just because she gave u the information of what she was born as?? We aren’t talking about transvestites who you can still tell they are men on a day to day basis. Sorry my post was if you had told someone " Yeah I gathered that but I meant, how can the notion shift so dramatically and think. Wow, u are a man and I see u as a man even tho in front of u there’s a total woman. I’m trying to understand  | |||
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"I think its more a mental hurdle then anything physical...I guess some men still see trans women as men mentally so thus being with one would make them gay Which makes me think, if you see a woman complete, in everything. How can you still think of her as a man if there’s no ounce of resemblance .. just because she gave u the information of what she was born as?? We aren’t talking about transvestites who you can still tell they are men on a day to day basis. Sorry my post was if you had told someone Yeah I gathered that but I meant, how can the notion shift so dramatically and think. Wow, u are a man and I see u as a man even tho in front of u there’s a total woman. I’m trying to understand "I dont know if it can be understood....all trans woman i have had knowing contact with have been on here and its says on profile thats what you are...again its a mental thing, I really like the pics of someone on here and she seems cool to chat with so if a mutual connection then no problem for me....but I cant answer for others x | |||
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"Either way it is 100% deceptive. There is no question about it. Regardless of acceptance or bigotry or any other unfavourable view somebody may have towards trans, or those that have fully completed transition to a woman (or a man), if that person for whatever reason does not want any sexual activity with a trans person then it is extremely wrong to have that information withheld from them. Trans is still a bit of a grey and confusing area for a lot of people and when it comes to something as personal as sex (and with how important consent is) the less deception the better - this is sort of a topic in and of its own though. With that said it is certainly not as simple as just being able to tell somebody about your past and experience. You want to leave that part of your life behind because it never really was who you are inside, but constant reminders etc like having to bring it up in situations. Personally I'm not sure how I'd view the situation if it were me (on either side). I'd still view them as a woman and not as somebody who transitioned but it's a big thing to have withheld. " Totally respect that and I’ve been wondering also and that’s why I’m always trying my best to be honest but I see also why a lot might not want to disclose it even with people they sleep with or engage in a relationship with Id feel too guilty especially if I really liked the guy, and knowing myself I’d struggle to then bring it up 3 months later and be heart broken cos he can’t accept it… Thanks for your view btw | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. " But if after telling them then they stop chatting isn't that better because it shows they not for you? | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. " Rach, totally  I so 150% agree and I’m miles behind u xxx | |||
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"I would feel deceived if they didn't tell me but also I understand their need for privacy. " I’ve seen some hot as fuck man who are trans! | |||
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"My last boyfriend. Ok, my only ever boyfriend; wanted me to stop going to pride marches and just be me, rather than trans me. He really helped me move my mindset forward from transition to just living my life again. Hi. I’m Rachael. Parent to two daughters and two step kids and I’m one of the best friends you could ever hope to have. "Hi friend lol x | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. But if after telling them then they stop chatting isn't that better because it shows they not for you?" Definitely, but many people, when told I’m trans too soon, stop listening and assume I have a penis. If we’ve actually started to chat and like each other, and then they are brought to the realisation that I had surgery to become this vision of perfection (  )  , they usually stay interested enough to further the conversation. | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. But if after telling them then they stop chatting isn't that better because it shows they not for you? Definitely, but many people, when told I’m trans too soon, stop listening and assume I have a penis. If we’ve actually started to chat and like each other, and then they are brought to the realisation that I had surgery to become this vision of perfection ( ) , they usually stay interested enough to further the conversation. "Aren't we supposed to be more then a penis or pussy? | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. But if after telling them then they stop chatting isn't that better because it shows they not for you? Definitely, but many people, when told I’m trans too soon, stop listening and assume I have a penis. If we’ve actually started to chat and like each other, and then they are brought to the realisation that I had surgery to become this vision of perfection ( ) , they usually stay interested enough to further the conversation.
Aren't we supposed to be more then a penis or pussy?"Apparently, but not everyone sees it like that the minute you say you’re trans. | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. But if after telling them then they stop chatting isn't that better because it shows they not for you? Definitely, but many people, when told I’m trans too soon, stop listening and assume I have a penis. If we’ve actually started to chat and like each other, and then they are brought to the realisation that I had surgery to become this vision of perfection ( ) , they usually stay interested enough to further the conversation.
Aren't we supposed to be more then a penis or pussy?
Apparently, but not everyone sees it like that the minute you say you’re trans. "It is all still a learning curve. The acceptance of trans and LGBTQ+ is still a bit of a new frontier. Just as there are those transitioning and becoming themselves, the rest of the world needs to be allowed to make this transition too. Some will be able to do it faster and more peacefully than others. Some will never be able to unfortunately. Huge change is never smooth. It needs both sides to accept the way the other sides goes about it (within reason of course! Abuse and violence should never be accepted - both sides!) | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. But if after telling them then they stop chatting isn't that better because it shows they not for you? Definitely, but many people, when told I’m trans too soon, stop listening and assume I have a penis. If we’ve actually started to chat and like each other, and then they are brought to the realisation that I had surgery to become this vision of perfection ( ) , they usually stay interested enough to further the conversation.
Aren't we supposed to be more then a penis or pussy?
Apparently, but not everyone sees it like that the minute you say you’re trans.
It is all still a learning curve. The acceptance of trans and LGBTQ+ is still a bit of a new frontier. Just as there are those transitioning and becoming themselves, the rest of the world needs to be allowed to make this transition too. Some will be able to do it faster and more peacefully than others. Some will never be able to unfortunately.
Huge change is never smooth. It needs both sides to accept the way the other sides goes about it (within reason of course! Abuse and violence should never be accepted - both sides!) "Absolutely. One point I bang on about on a trans group on a well known social media site, is that transition is multi faceted. Ignoring everything the trans person themselves goes through, everyone around them has a transition too. They get their heads around this person changing before their eyes. Perhaps mourn the loss of the person they thought they knew. Lots of little clues from the past suddenly make sense, or perhaps they don’t. We’re taught from the moment people first speak to us as babies what is expected of us as female or male. That varies between families but there are many similarities. Suddenly we’re faced with people who don’t necessarily conform to the gender indicators we have always recognised unconsciously and are asked to adjust our thinking. Some people simply won’t. | |||
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"Personally I don’t think anyone needs to know your history unless it relates to medical needs that might be impacted by your transition (like prostate cancer & or ovarian cancer - please correct me if this wouldn’t impact a trans person I’m still learning) or if you are planning a future with someone where transparency about children/fertility may come up (all issues that can be overcome with patience, love and today’s science) otherwise there’s no reason at all to tell people unless you want them to know. " Consent especially when it comes to sex is a big deal though, but the grey area is that where is the line of deception? It COULD by some be viewed as they were tricked in to having sex with another man. Even a fully transitioned post op woman could be viewed this way unfortunately. Regardless of view of man, woman, still trans, deception surrounding sex is wrong. On the other side of that, lieing about being married or being in a relationship. That is still deception, that is used to engage in sex but gets brushed off as "you should have checked" or something along those lines. I'm not saying every little detail needs to be presented so there is a 100% fully informed consensual decision, but that is exactly where the dilemma and discussion comes from. What things should or should not be considered important when asking for somebody to consider giving their consent. | |||
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"Personally I don’t think anyone needs to know your history unless it relates to medical needs that might be impacted by your transition (like prostate cancer & or ovarian cancer - please correct me if this wouldn’t impact a trans person I’m still learning) or if you are planning a future with someone where transparency about children/fertility may come up (all issues that can be overcome with patience, love and today’s science) otherwise there’s no reason at all to tell people unless you want them to know. Consent especially when it comes to sex is a big deal though, but the grey area is that where is the line of deception? It COULD by some be viewed as they were tricked in to having sex with another man. Even a fully transitioned post op woman could be viewed this way unfortunately. Regardless of view of man, woman, still trans, deception surrounding sex is wrong. On the other side of that, lieing about being married or being in a relationship. That is still deception, that is used to engage in sex but gets brushed off as "you should have checked" or something along those lines. I'm not saying every little detail needs to be presented so there is a 100% fully informed consensual decision, but that is exactly where the dilemma and discussion comes from. What things should or should not be considered important when asking for somebody to consider giving their consent. " If a potential lover sees me as a man, he won’t be someone I would want to even talk to. | |||
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" It is all still a learning curve. The acceptance of trans and LGBTQ+ is still a bit of a new frontier. Just as there are those transitioning and becoming themselves, the rest of the world needs to be allowed to make this transition too. Some will be able to do it faster and more peacefully than others. Some will never be able to unfortunately. Huge change is never smooth. It needs both sides to accept the way the other sides goes about it (within reason of course! Abuse and violence should never be accepted - both sides!) Absolutely. One point I bang on about on a trans group on a well known social media site, is that transition is multi faceted. Ignoring everything the trans person themselves goes through, everyone around them has a transition too. They get their heads around this person changing before their eyes. Perhaps mourn the loss of the person they thought they knew. Lots of little clues from the past suddenly make sense, or perhaps they don’t. We’re taught from the moment people first speak to us as babies what is expected of us as female or male. That varies between families but there are many similarities. Suddenly we’re faced with people who don’t necessarily conform to the gender indicators we have always recognised unconsciously and are asked to adjust our thinking. Some people simply won’t. " Indeed. I have witnessed some very aggressive and abusive behaviour towards somebody who none intentionally used the incorrect wording and pronouns towards somebody. No ofense was intended, it was just a natural/habitual slip up all part of the learning curve. I will call you whatever you want to be called and accept you for what or whomever you are, but you must also accept I might slip up, I might forget, I might wrongfully assume along the way to it becoming the normal. Please accept that I'm on my own journey along side yours. I will add that I'm not comparing the journy of accepting trans with the struggles and difficulties of actually living it as a life. Just that both happen alongside the other. | |||
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" It is all still a learning curve. The acceptance of trans and LGBTQ+ is still a bit of a new frontier. Just as there are those transitioning and becoming themselves, the rest of the world needs to be allowed to make this transition too. Some will be able to do it faster and more peacefully than others. Some will never be able to unfortunately. Huge change is never smooth. It needs both sides to accept the way the other sides goes about it (within reason of course! Abuse and violence should never be accepted - both sides!) Absolutely. One point I bang on about on a trans group on a well known social media site, is that transition is multi faceted. Ignoring everything the trans person themselves goes through, everyone around them has a transition too. They get their heads around this person changing before their eyes. Perhaps mourn the loss of the person they thought they knew. Lots of little clues from the past suddenly make sense, or perhaps they don’t. We’re taught from the moment people first speak to us as babies what is expected of us as female or male. That varies between families but there are many similarities. Suddenly we’re faced with people who don’t necessarily conform to the gender indicators we have always recognised unconsciously and are asked to adjust our thinking. Some people simply won’t. Indeed. I have witnessed some very aggressive and abusive behaviour towards somebody who none intentionally used the incorrect wording and pronouns towards somebody. No ofense was intended, it was just a natural/habitual slip up all part of the learning curve. I will call you whatever you want to be called and accept you for what or whomever you are, but you must also accept I might slip up, I might forget, I might wrongfully assume along the way to it becoming the normal. Please accept that I'm on my own journey along side yours. I will add that I'm not comparing the journy of accepting trans with the struggles and difficulties of actually living it as a life. Just that both happen alongside the other. " I despair when I see a few trans people who jump on every slip or seemingly deliberately set other people up to fail. If someone slipped up early on and corrected themselves I was fine with that. A few insisted on misgendering me or worse; using my old name. I wouldn’t call someone by their maiden name on purpose and if I see your lovely dog and ask her name, for you to say he’s called Bruno, I’ll apologise straight away to you and the dog. | |||
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"I’m not sure there’s a need to disclose if fully transitioned…but if it’s a longer term relationship then I’m sure most would if you haven’t fully transitioned you may not need to say anything at all and it will be a surprise for him "We consider ourselves to be very open-minded but on a swinging site we'd still expect people to disclose an unexpected willy  | |||
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"So, as a thought: should we expect trans people to disclose that they are trans, or should we expect people that care to ask? This is what we expect with other things that people are picky about." This is an excellent way of seeing it and, I’ll admit, not a take on it that I’d considered before. | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. " I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table. | |||
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"Personally I don’t think anyone needs to know your history unless it relates to medical needs that might be impacted by your transition (like prostate cancer & or ovarian cancer - please correct me if this wouldn’t impact a trans person I’m still learning) or if you are planning a future with someone where transparency about children/fertility may come up (all issues that can be overcome with patience, love and today’s science) otherwise there’s no reason at all to tell people unless you want them to know. Consent especially when it comes to sex is a big deal though, but the grey area is that where is the line of deception? It COULD by some be viewed as they were tricked in to having sex with another man. Even a fully transitioned post op woman could be viewed this way unfortunately. Regardless of view of man, woman, still trans, deception surrounding sex is wrong. On the other side of that, lieing about being married or being in a relationship. That is still deception, that is used to engage in sex but gets brushed off as "you should have checked" or something along those lines. I'm not saying every little detail needs to be presented so there is a 100% fully informed consensual decision, but that is exactly where the dilemma and discussion comes from. What things should or should not be considered important when asking for somebody to consider giving their consent. If a potential lover sees me as a man, he won’t be someone I would want to even talk to. " Totally 100% agree with this !!! | |||
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"Forgive my ignorance....but if you have a facsimile of a pussy...what do you get out of having penetrative sex ... can you orgasm...where is the pleasure for you ... "You can orgasm | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table. "And therein lays my point, it’s a facet about a person that you don’t like and would not want to become intimate with them. Everyone has their own personal views on many subjects and not having all the facts to hand may lead some of these people to feel deceived or lied to. | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. " Jesus it’s not believe it’s just how it is. If you get “deceived” to the point you didn’t realise , how can you say don’t expect me to believe ur not a woman. U would only come to the realisation once the info is presented to you…. But until that point u would have seen a woman. Which is the reality of aligning the in with the out | |||
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"I’m not sure there’s a need to disclose if fully transitioned…but if it’s a longer term relationship then I’m sure most would if you haven’t fully transitioned you may not need to say anything at all and it will be a surprise for him
We consider ourselves to be very open-minded but on a swinging site we'd still expect people to disclose an unexpected willy "Talking about post op women, who have a vagina and are fully aligned with their inside and outside | |||
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"Anyone who’s messaged me who I’ve shown an interest in will confirm I’ve not hidden my past from them " oh AND shown an interest.....lol | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table. "
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table.
And therein lays my point, it’s a facet about a person that you don’t like and would not want to become intimate with them. Everyone has their own personal views on many subjects and not having all the facts to hand may lead some of these people to feel deceived or lied to."So, like I say, as someone with strong views on trans identity, I think you should make that clear to everyone you meet so they can avoid you if they find your ‘views’ offensive. | |||
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"I’m not sure there’s a need to disclose if fully transitioned…but if it’s a longer term relationship then I’m sure most would if you haven’t fully transitioned you may not need to say anything at all and it will be a surprise for him
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table.
And therein lays my point, it’s a facet about a person that you don’t like and would not want to become intimate with them. Everyone has their own personal views on many subjects and not having all the facts to hand may lead some of these people to feel deceived or lied to."But don’t we all lie or deceive eventually at some point? When people cheat, or they show their true colours after years of a relationship and they turn out to be totes racist and concealed it at first…men who have a visoctomy because they don’t want kids and don’t disclose it to women that might want to get kids… I mean, it could be about anything Not condoning but you know, it’s life.. it happens | |||
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"So, as a thought: should we expect trans people to disclose that they are trans, or should we expect people that care to ask? This is what we expect with other things that people are picky about." True. But some people (even those that are trans) may get offended that you asked. So is it then not better for the person disclosing the information to share and choose when to bring up? Which then leaves us back where we started going around in circles. ? Again, great big unexplored new frontier grey area that there won't ever be a correct answer for because there isn't one. Largely because there are people (on every side of everything) that are unable to discuss and tolerate. Note: I am a massive devil's advocate. I encourage and try to provoke discussion, and a view of things from outside of any single perspective. | |||
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"It's all about choice never heard pussy stunting before sounds like chasing a cat "I HOWLED at this!!!!
It’s been created by women on YouTube who did the “he didn’t know I was trans” type story times x | |||
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"It's all about choice never heard pussy stunting before sounds like chasing a cat
I HOWLED at this!!!!
It’s been created by women on YouTube who did the “he didn’t know I was trans” type story times x "
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table.
Why are you always so fucking smart? X "Well Kylie, I’m glad you asked. I liken it to anyone with a life changing or life limiting disease. You tend to become an expert on your condition or, in our case, simply being trans. I’ve asked myself ‘why am I like this?’ So many times and, as someone with a modicum of intelligence, I’ve researched and continued to learn, about what makes me trans. I wanted to know what made me so sure I was female when my chromosomes showed me as otherwise. If you specialise in a subject, you tend to become pretty ‘fucking smart’ on it.  particularly when you have first hand experience spread over more than 50 years. | |||
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" Jesus it’s not believe it’s just how it is. If you get “deceived” to the point you didn’t realise , how can you say don’t expect me to believe ur not a woman. U would only come to the realisation once the info is presented to you…. But until that point u would have seen a woman. Which is the reality of aligning the in with the out " To me it’s not just a case of “that’s just how it is” my feeling and opinions on the subject are also not coming from a place of complete ignorance. Growing up my father went a long way along the road to transitioning, during that process he also spent time with a psychiatrist, this in the end was the solution not transitioning. This may not be the solution to all, but obviously it is for some. It is an important variable in the decision to get intimate for some. For some it will not be a problem and for others it will, but to remove that choice from someone would not be fair. | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table.
Why are you always so fucking smart? X
Well Kylie, I’m glad you asked.
I liken it to anyone with a life changing or life limiting disease. You tend to become an expert on your condition or, in our case, simply being trans.
I’ve asked myself ‘why am I like this?’ So many times and, as someone with a modicum of intelligence, I’ve researched and continued to learn, about what makes me trans. I wanted to know what made me so sure I was female when my chromosomes showed me as otherwise.
If you specialise in a subject, you tend to become pretty ‘fucking smart’ on it. particularly when you have first hand experience spread over more than 50 years. "Totally I think I’ve learnt so much for myself and from girls like us and researching and doctors and professors. It’s actually amazing But I mean generally, u are just a smart woman xx | |||
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" Jesus it’s not believe it’s just how it is. If you get “deceived” to the point you didn’t realise , how can you say don’t expect me to believe ur not a woman. U would only come to the realisation once the info is presented to you…. But until that point u would have seen a woman. Which is the reality of aligning the in with the out To me it’s not just a case of “that’s just how it is” my feeling and opinions on the subject are also not coming from a place of complete ignorance. Growing up my father went a long way along the road to transitioning, during that process he also spent time with a psychiatrist, this in the end was the solution not transitioning. This may not be the solution to all, but obviously it is for some. It is an important variable in the decision to get intimate for some. For some it will not be a problem and for others it will, but to remove that choice from someone would not be fair. " Absolutely and that’s why I like to be transparent to avoid complications , having said that imagine if you had to fully disclose parts of you. For example the fact that u might be (I’m not saying you are) closed minded and don’t understand trans people. Or that you don’t want to support someone who has a medical condition I see it’s something that needs to be discussed for sure, having said that, it’s not something I have to justify to every single person UNLESS I get romantic with them. I’ve snogged guys out at clubs and I didn’t say anything. Did they ask me if I was trans ? No, did I say I was ? No. Do I feel guilty for a cheeky snog? No I don’t, never saw them again. So who’s right , who’s wrong? | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table.
And therein lays my point, it’s a facet about a person that you don’t like and would not want to become intimate with them. Everyone has their own personal views on many subjects and not having all the facts to hand may lead some of these people to feel deceived or lied to.
But don’t we all lie or deceive eventually at some point? When people cheat, or they show their true colours after years of a relationship and they turn out to be totes racist and concealed it at first…men who have a visoctomy because they don’t want kids and don’t disclose it to women that might want to get kids… I mean, it could be about anything
Not condoning but you know, it’s life.. it happens "It is indeed. But where does the line get drawn? Using your examples there, surely the elephant in the room is children. Obviously we are talking long term on this one, if the guy you are with wants children, then surely he needs to be told about being trans. That in itself will cause issues regardless of anything else. This may have gone slightly off topic from feeling deceived about sex to should somebody be told early. | |||
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"True. But some people (even those that are trans) may get offended that you asked. So is it then not better for the person disclosing the information to share and choose when to bring up? Which then leaves us back where we started going around in circles. ?" I think to see my point you need to consider the disclosure being "a prejudice against trans people" rather than "being a trans person". I don't mean that in an offensive way - prejudice is just the correct word to use here. Especially with regards to a hookup (yes, relationships can be different) - functionally, there's no difference that's bigger than any other variation between people of the same gender, when it comes to fucking. It may well be uncomfortable navigating having to disclose that! But I think the onus is on the right person to be making the disclosure. | |||
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" Jesus it’s not believe it’s just how it is. If you get “deceived” to the point you didn’t realise , how can you say don’t expect me to believe ur not a woman. U would only come to the realisation once the info is presented to you…. But until that point u would have seen a woman. Which is the reality of aligning the in with the out To me it’s not just a case of “that’s just how it is” my feeling and opinions on the subject are also not coming from a place of complete ignorance. Growing up my father went a long way along the road to transitioning, during that process he also spent time with a psychiatrist, this in the end was the solution not transitioning. This may not be the solution to all, but obviously it is for some. It is an important variable in the decision to get intimate for some. For some it will not be a problem and for others it will, but to remove that choice from someone would not be fair. Absolutely and that’s why I like to be transparent to avoid complications , having said that imagine if you had to fully disclose parts of you. For example the fact that u might be (I’m not saying you are) closed minded and don’t understand trans people. Or that you don’t want to support someone who has a medical condition I see it’s something that needs to be discussed for sure, having said that, it’s not something I have to justify to every single person UNLESS I get romantic with them. I’ve snogged guys out at clubs and I didn’t say anything. Did they ask me if I was trans ? No, did I say I was ? No. Do I feel guilty for a cheeky snog? No I don’t, never saw them again. So who’s right , who’s wrong? " | |||
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"Personally I would feel utterly deceived and lied to. From my point of view just because someone has had an operation and believes them self a woman does not mean I see it that way. I’m quite happy for them to believe that of themselves but don’t expect me to believe the same thing. In the end of the day the only fair way is to have all the cards on the table and let the other person make the informed choice. I feel you should tell every woman you show an interest in that you feel this way so she can make an informed choice as to if she wants to get to know you any further, be she cis or trans. Personally, if I knew someone I was considering getting intimate with was a racist, for example, I wouldn’t want to know them. I think it only fair the cards are in the table.
And therein lays my point, it’s a facet about a person that you don’t like and would not want to become intimate with them. Everyone has their own personal views on many subjects and not having all the facts to hand may lead some of these people to feel deceived or lied to.
But don’t we all lie or deceive eventually at some point? When people cheat, or they show their true colours after years of a relationship and they turn out to be totes racist and concealed it at first…men who have a visoctomy because they don’t want kids and don’t disclose it to women that might want to get kids… I mean, it could be about anything
Not condoning but you know, it’s life.. it happens
It is indeed. But where does the line get drawn?
Using your examples there, surely the elephant in the room is children.
Obviously we are talking long term on this one, if the guy you are with wants children, then surely he needs to be told about being trans. That in itself will cause issues regardless of anything else.
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" Jesus it’s not believe it’s just how it is. If you get “deceived” to the point you didn’t realise , how can you say don’t expect me to believe ur not a woman. U would only come to the realisation once the info is presented to you…. But until that point u would have seen a woman. Which is the reality of aligning the in with the out To me it’s not just a case of “that’s just how it is” my feeling and opinions on the subject are also not coming from a place of complete ignorance. Growing up my father went a long way along the road to transitioning, during that process he also spent time with a psychiatrist, this in the end was the solution not transitioning. This may not be the solution to all, but obviously it is for some. It is an important variable in the decision to get intimate for some. For some it will not be a problem and for others it will, but to remove that choice from someone would not be fair. Absolutely and that’s why I like to be transparent to avoid complications , having said that imagine if you had to fully disclose parts of you. For example the fact that u might be (I’m not saying you are) closed minded and don’t understand trans people. Or that you don’t want to support someone who has a medical condition I see it’s something that needs to be discussed for sure, having said that, it’s not something I have to justify to every single person UNLESS I get romantic with them. I’ve snogged guys out at clubs and I didn’t say anything. Did they ask me if I was trans ? No, did I say I was ? No. Do I feel guilty for a cheeky snog? No I don’t, never saw them again. So who’s right , who’s wrong? " So there are things I always disclose before getting intimate as they can have a bearing on the situation, I make sure the fact I get cold sores is out there. It’s very rare that I do and obviously when I get an attack I’m not getting out there and putting it about, but I think it’s only fair that someone I’m going to kiss is fully aware of the situation. I’m not the sort to just kiss a stranger in a club (especially not these days) but at some point in the discussions leading up to something I’ll make sure it’s out there… obviously at a non weird moment … most people would never know and there is no risk when not having an attack. I’d just not feel right | |||
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"So, as a thought: should we expect trans people to disclose that they are trans, or should we expect people that care to ask? This is what we expect with other things that people are picky about. This is an excellent way of seeing it and, I’ll admit, not a take on it that I’d considered before. " This is the ultimate answer in my opinion. If you are going to be bothered about being with a trans person and feel like you’ll be deceived if you found out later then ask about sexual history before your pants hit your ankles and you still have time to pull them up and walk away. You should already be asking about sexual health status and contraception options before you get to that point anyway so open honest dialogue should already be there. | |||
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" Jesus it’s not believe it’s just how it is. If you get “deceived” to the point you didn’t realise , how can you say don’t expect me to believe ur not a woman. U would only come to the realisation once the info is presented to you…. But until that point u would have seen a woman. Which is the reality of aligning the in with the out To me it’s not just a case of “that’s just how it is” my feeling and opinions on the subject are also not coming from a place of complete ignorance. Growing up my father went a long way along the road to transitioning, during that process he also spent time with a psychiatrist, this in the end was the solution not transitioning. This may not be the solution to all, but obviously it is for some. It is an important variable in the decision to get intimate for some. For some it will not be a problem and for others it will, but to remove that choice from someone would not be fair. Absolutely and that’s why I like to be transparent to avoid complications , having said that imagine if you had to fully disclose parts of you. For example the fact that u might be (I’m not saying you are) closed minded and don’t understand trans people. Or that you don’t want to support someone who has a medical condition I see it’s something that needs to be discussed for sure, having said that, it’s not something I have to justify to every single person UNLESS I get romantic with them. I’ve snogged guys out at clubs and I didn’t say anything. Did they ask me if I was trans ? No, did I say I was ? No. Do I feel guilty for a cheeky snog? No I don’t, never saw them again. So who’s right , who’s wrong? So there are things I always disclose before getting intimate as they can have a bearing on the situation, I make sure the fact I get cold sores is out there. It’s very rare that I do and obviously when I get an attack I’m not getting out there and putting it about, but I think it’s only fair that someone I’m going to kiss is fully aware of the situation. I’m not the sort to just kiss a stranger in a club (especially not these days) but at some point in the discussions leading up to something I’ll make sure it’s out there… obviously at a non weird moment … most people would never know and there is no risk when not having an attack. I’d just not feel right " Well kudos to you that at clubs you stop girls u might kiss to let them know u have cold sores so they can sign a written agreement of consent But I bet loads don’t, and they maybe shouldn’t have to unless u have breaks, like u probably Wouldn’t want to kiss then anyway.. I’m not justifying either behaviours, I’m just Pointing out facts | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail." Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw "Yep. I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty. This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out. | |||
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"I think it depends on the scenario. For example let's say a guy enters a room in a swinging club were a gangbang is taking place. Now he decides to join in because he is attracted and wants to participate. Are they being deceived? (ideally there would be talk, but sometimes group fun is more organic and people just ask is it OK to join in) In a relationship you do share your past and future hopes and dreams. So in that situation it would be deceptive to me. So the question is where does the line cross. I don't think there is a single point that you can say, you should have told them. Different subject but I think I knew bunny was bi by the second or 3rd date. " I’ve mentioned this incident on here before: I was face between the legs of someone in a swing club in a group play session with my ass in the air wearing a short skirt. A guy came up behind me, asked if he could fuck me, to which I said yes. He suited up and went to draw my knickers to one side and I guess he spotted my pre op condition! He quickly apologised and said he hadn’t realised I was trans. In those days, it never occurred to me anyone wouldn’t be able to spot me as trans at a 1000 yards. What should I have done apart from say yes or no when I was already busy orally pleasuring someone else? | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then! "Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up "I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full. | |||
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Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up "I don’t tell anyone my job or where I live! Although I don’t lie to people, I just don’t tell people much. That’s not the same | |||
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Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
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"I think it depends on the scenario. For example let's say a guy enters a room in a swinging club were a gangbang is taking place. Now he decides to join in because he is attracted and wants to participate. Are they being deceived? (ideally there would be talk, but sometimes group fun is more organic and people just ask is it OK to join in) In a relationship you do share your past and future hopes and dreams. So in that situation it would be deceptive to me. So the question is where does the line cross. I don't think there is a single point that you can say, you should have told them. Different subject but I think I knew bunny was bi by the second or 3rd date. I’ve mentioned this incident on here before: I was face between the legs of someone in a swing club in a group play session with my ass in the air wearing a short skirt. A guy came up behind me, asked if he could fuck me, to which I said yes. He suited up and went to draw my knickers to one side and I guess he spotted my pre op condition! He quickly apologised and said he hadn’t realised I was trans. In those days, it never occurred to me anyone wouldn’t be able to spot me as trans at a 1000 yards. What should I have done apart from say yes or no when I was already busy orally pleasuring someone else? "Let's hear some more about this please..... | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Of fabbers!! Should be a fun jail "Can the 3 of us bung up together in the same cell? we’d have so many giggles | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Of fabbers!! Should be a fun jail
Can the 3 of us bung up together in the same cell? we’d have so many giggles "Omg. Can you imagine!!! | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw "I'd have no problem handling her preop. My point stands, people who lie to get sex should be sent to jail. It's a crime in some countries and nearly all the cases are men telling lies about having wives. If you think lying for sex is okay, that's up to you. Me thinking it's wrong doesn't mean I am anti trans or anti gay, or racist. Just means I think lying for sex is wrong. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Maybe I ought to lie about Jaffa cakes…oh God I love them "Didn’t you love them??? I thought u did love biscuits!!! | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full. "Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Of fabbers!! Should be a fun jail
Can the 3 of us bung up together in the same cell? we’d have so many giggles
Omg. Can you imagine!!! "So long as I still get to have some sort of pics sent in of Jack, I’m happy | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess."Nora's no fool Dont be so rude | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess."What gives someone the right to know where you live or your job?!! I had some nutter trace me through one of my websites. No chance I’d ever do that again. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
I'd have no problem handling her preop.
My point stands, people who lie to get sex should be sent to jail. It's a crime in some countries and nearly all the cases are men telling lies about having wives. If you think lying for sex is okay, that's up to you. Me thinking it's wrong doesn't mean I am anti trans or anti gay, or racist. Just means I think lying for sex is wrong."Sent to jail Haha omg | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
Nora's no fool
Dont be so rude"Haha that was to Rachael. But I don’t reckon she’s no fool either! | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess."It can disappointing of course, criminal offence seems quite extreme … I did sleep with a guy a few times, who I found out later on he was convicted for manslaughter … I see why he hasn’t said and he was a good guy to me back then, so I didn’t feel like judge him. I’m not angry he didn’t fess up right away as I bet it’s not an easy thing to say. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Maybe I ought to lie about Jaffa cakes…oh God I love them
Didn’t you love them??? I thought u did love biscuits!!! "I see what you did there! | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
Nora's no fool
Dont be so rude
Haha that was to Rachael. But I don’t reckon she’s no fool either!"Oops xx | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
What gives someone the right to know where you live or your job?!! I had some nutter trace me through one of my websites. No chance I’d ever do that again. "And my location on here is miles from where I live. Get ya handcuffs | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
It can disappointing of course, criminal offence seems quite extreme … I did sleep with a guy a few times, who I found out later on he was convicted for manslaughter … I see why he hasn’t said and he was a good guy to me back then, so I didn’t feel like judge him. I’m not angry he didn’t fess up right away as I bet it’s not an easy thing to say. "Also let me point out we turn out to have a situationship and I disregarded every red flag on that guy cos I’m a stupid bitch | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
Nora's no fool
Dont be so rude"He was replying to me. I’m still no fool. I usually eke out the truth. | |||
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"I mention I’m transitioned in my profile but you’ll see I don’t hit them with it straight away. I’ve tried the ‘firstly I’m trans….’ approach and they don’t get as far as to read that I’m post op. If we chat a bit first and then I ask if they read the bit about my having had surgery, they very rarely then have issue. Being trans is part of my history. I’m not ashamed of it and, as you may know from my threads, I’m happy to talk about it. Being trans does not define me though. I’m so much more than a series of operations. " exactly x | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
Nora's no fool
Dont be so rude
He was replying to me.
I’m still no fool. I usually eke out the truth. "I gathered scroll up | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Bloody hell I should be serving a life sentence then!
Noraaaaa!!! What did you doooo time to fess up
I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Maybe I ought to lie about Jaffa cakes…oh God I love them
Didn’t you love them??? I thought u did love biscuits!!!
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
I'd have no problem handling her preop.
My point stands, people who lie to get sex should be sent to jail. It's a crime in some countries and nearly all the cases are men telling lies about having wives. If you think lying for sex is okay, that's up to you. Me thinking it's wrong doesn't mean I am anti trans or anti gay, or racist. Just means I think lying for sex is wrong."For the record; I also think lying to get sex is wrong. I don’t lie when I say I’m female. I don’t lie by my appearance. As I’ve said earlier; I do make it clear early on in the conversation that I’m trans to out those who would have issue with my history. | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
Nora's no fool
Dont be so rude
He was replying to me.
I’m still no fool. I usually eke out the truth.
I gathered scroll up"I was typing as you posted. I’m old. I type slower than you! | |||
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"I’ve had plenty of guys lie about their job, their marital status, their intentions towards me….. the jails are going to be full.
Exactly, you never consented fully to be with them men, they manipulated you. If it was illegal then people would have to stop doing it. Unless you enjoy being made a fool I guess.
Nora's no fool
Dont be so rude
He was replying to me.
I’m still no fool. I usually eke out the truth.
I gathered scroll up
I was typing as you posted.
I’m old. I type slower than you! "Your stunning xxx | |||
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"Being made a fool of does not mean you're a fool, it means you're being made a fool. Look I'll retract my statement, and reverse it, people should be encouraged to lie for sex, can you all leave me alone now?" Deal so behave xx | |||
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"Being made a fool of does not mean you're a fool, it means you're being made a fool. Look I'll retract my statement, and reverse it, people should be encouraged to lie for sex, can you all leave me alone now?" I agreed that people shouldn’t lie to get sex. I got what you meant when you posted regarding being made a fool of and didn’t read it as you calling me a fool. | |||
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"Just read the OP The woman should have told him about being trans Things can turn well "Yes. I agree: she should have told him a long time before it got to sex. | |||
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"Just read the OP The woman should have told him about being trans Things can turn well
Yes. I agree: she should have told him a long time before it got to sex. "Yes xxxxx | |||
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"Being made a fool of does not mean you're a fool, it means you're being made a fool. Look I'll retract my statement, and reverse it, people should be encouraged to lie for sex, can you all leave me alone now?" We aren’t attacking you dude, we just say that people should be transparent but sadly a lot aren’t. Saying not transparent people should go to jail or risk jail is extreme, unless there’s an actual harm. Like people having HIV going out infecting people on purpose or the guy who brought back home d*unk guys in Manchester and had non sensual with them as they were pass ed out. If guys want to sleep with me it’s because they find me attractive . I am transparent obviously cos I like to be and have to be. But I see also the other coin of those who might not fully disclose it for whatever reason. But the attraction is real . And is undeniable | |||
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"Just read the OP The woman should have told him about being trans Things can turn well "She should have for her safety. Luckily the other party was so in love with her he didn’t mind at all. But In an ideal world, she shouldnt have the need to explain herself every single time. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
Yep.
I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty.
This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out. "The unfortunate truth is that some men get aggressive to trans women because we "trick them" just by our very existence. They see you in the street at a distance and invest a few milliseconds in lustful thoughts because "Oh look, a woman". Then as they get closer their face changes as it dawns "What, it's a man! How dare he waste my time, tricking me into using my valuable store of horniness, I'm furious, they were trying to make me gay!". At which point some men will start shouting insults and even commit assault. Because you owe them, you deceived them, you made them less of a man. And this can occur in the middle of the day on the high street full of people shopping. So there is no wonder that those who can "pass" so often just want to go into stealth, to hide their history, to just be ordinary women, to not have to continually out themselves in a way that can put them in very real danger of violence. I don't have any magic solution to all this, maybe there isn't one. In a way I'm glad that I don't pass, I still get the aggression from random nutters on the street, but at least nobody can claim that I've lied about my gender to get them into bed... | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
Yep.
I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty.
This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out.
The unfortunate truth is that some men get aggressive to trans women because we "trick them" just by our very existence. They see you in the street at a distance and invest a few milliseconds in lustful thoughts because "Oh look, a woman". Then as they get closer their face changes as it dawns "What, it's a man! How dare he waste my time, tricking me into using my valuable store of horniness, I'm furious, they were trying to make me gay!". At which point some men will start shouting insults and even commit assault. Because you owe them, you deceived them, you made them less of a man.
And this can occur in the middle of the day on the high street full of people shopping.
So there is no wonder that those who can "pass" so often just want to go into stealth, to hide their history, to just be ordinary women, to not have to continually out themselves in a way that can put them in very real danger of violence.
I don't have any magic solution to all this, maybe there isn't one. In a way I'm glad that I don't pass, I still get the aggression from random nutters on the street, but at least nobody can claim that I've lied about my gender to get them into bed..."Polssss
U made me emotional reading that x
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
Yep.
I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty.
This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out.
The unfortunate truth is that some men get aggressive to trans women because we "trick them" just by our very existence. They see you in the street at a distance and invest a few milliseconds in lustful thoughts because "Oh look, a woman". Then as they get closer their face changes as it dawns "What, it's a man! How dare he waste my time, tricking me into using my valuable store of horniness, I'm furious, they were trying to make me gay!". At which point some men will start shouting insults and even commit assault. Because you owe them, you deceived them, you made them less of a man.
And this can occur in the middle of the day on the high street full of people shopping.
So there is no wonder that those who can "pass" so often just want to go into stealth, to hide their history, to just be ordinary women, to not have to continually out themselves in a way that can put them in very real danger of violence.
I don't have any magic solution to all this, maybe there isn't one. In a way I'm glad that I don't pass, I still get the aggression from random nutters on the street, but at least nobody can claim that I've lied about my gender to get them into bed..."I hate that there are those with this attitude, and that they feel that they can subject others to such vitriol. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
Yep.
I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty.
This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out.
The unfortunate truth is that some men get aggressive to trans women because we "trick them" just by our very existence. They see you in the street at a distance and invest a few milliseconds in lustful thoughts because "Oh look, a woman". Then as they get closer their face changes as it dawns "What, it's a man! How dare he waste my time, tricking me into using my valuable store of horniness, I'm furious, they were trying to make me gay!". At which point some men will start shouting insults and even commit assault. Because you owe them, you deceived them, you made them less of a man.
And this can occur in the middle of the day on the high street full of people shopping.
So there is no wonder that those who can "pass" so often just want to go into stealth, to hide their history, to just be ordinary women, to not have to continually out themselves in a way that can put them in very real danger of violence.
I don't have any magic solution to all this, maybe there isn't one. In a way I'm glad that I don't pass, I still get the aggression from random nutters on the street, but at least nobody can claim that I've lied about my gender to get them into bed...
Polssss
U made me emotional reading that x
I don’t really know what to add on top x"The only thing I’ll add is that I’ve known Polly personally for several years now and know her to be an intelligent, sensitive, caring and very honest person. | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
Yep.
I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty.
This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out.
The unfortunate truth is that some men get aggressive to trans women because we "trick them" just by our very existence. They see you in the street at a distance and invest a few milliseconds in lustful thoughts because "Oh look, a woman". Then as they get closer their face changes as it dawns "What, it's a man! How dare he waste my time, tricking me into using my valuable store of horniness, I'm furious, they were trying to make me gay!". At which point some men will start shouting insults and even commit assault. Because you owe them, you deceived them, you made them less of a man.
And this can occur in the middle of the day on the high street full of people shopping.
So there is no wonder that those who can "pass" so often just want to go into stealth, to hide their history, to just be ordinary women, to not have to continually out themselves in a way that can put them in very real danger of violence.
I don't have any magic solution to all this, maybe there isn't one. In a way I'm glad that I don't pass, I still get the aggression from random nutters on the street, but at least nobody can claim that I've lied about my gender to get them into bed...
Polssss
U made me emotional reading that x
I don’t really know what to add on top x
The only thing I’ll add is that I’ve known Polly personally for several years now and know her to be an intelligent, sensitive, caring and very honest person.
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"This is such an interesting question. I personally would prefer everyone to be honest, because only with full information can anyone truly give consent. Not everyone will be ok with sleeping with a trans woman and that's their right to have a preference. So to hide it might be considered a deceit and therefore a lack of proper consent. Also, if you're starting a relationship I think you should be honest as it might affect how and if you can have children one day, which again should possibly be discussed fairly early in a relationship. Just my thoughts." I think everyone agrees that honesty is clearly the right way. But yeah it’s a difficult subject that is real for sure!! And the unlucky ones ended up being hurt or worst, killed Btw it isn’t that easy for everyone to say look this is the case. Because as you can imagine it isn’t talking about whether we have a dog or a cat at home | |||
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"I think if you lie about anything. Your job, where you live, your relationship status the you have not really got consent for sex. I personally think if someone lies for sex they should be sent to jail. Jeez, I mean… they barely send people to jail for stalking people … seems a bit exaggerated U are a big boy I’m sure u would handle it if it happened to you…
Ps: that’s why some of us end up getting killed btw
Yep.
I’ve heard of girls being approached by a a guy who’s out with his friends. When they’re told ‘by the way, did you realise I’m trans?’ in the first few lines of conversation the guy has been so offended that she’s ‘tricked’ him, it’s got nasty.
This is a very real dilemma for a trans woman on a night out.
The unfortunate truth is that some men get aggressive to trans women because we "trick them" just by our very existence. They see you in the street at a distance and invest a few milliseconds in lustful thoughts because "Oh look, a woman". Then as they get closer their face changes as it dawns "What, it's a man! How dare he waste my time, tricking me into using my valuable store of horniness, I'm furious, they were trying to make me gay!". At which point some men will start shouting insults and even commit assault. Because you owe them, you deceived them, you made them less of a man.
And this can occur in the middle of the day on the high street full of people shopping.
So there is no wonder that those who can "pass" so often just want to go into stealth, to hide their history, to just be ordinary women, to not have to continually out themselves in a way that can put them in very real danger of violence.
I don't have any magic solution to all this, maybe there isn't one. In a way I'm glad that I don't pass, I still get the aggression from random nutters on the street, but at least nobody can claim that I've lied about my gender to get them into bed...
I hate that there are those with this attitude, and that they feel that they can subject others to such vitriol.
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"This is such an interesting question. I personally would prefer everyone to be honest, because only with full information can anyone truly give consent. Not everyone will be ok with sleeping with a trans woman and that's their right to have a preference. So to hide it might be considered a deceit and therefore a lack of proper consent. Also, if you're starting a relationship I think you should be honest as it might affect how and if you can have children one day, which again should possibly be discussed fairly early in a relationship. Just my thoughts. I think everyone agrees that honesty is clearly the right way. But yeah it’s a difficult subject that is real for sure!! And the unlucky ones ended up being hurt or worst, killed Btw it isn’t that easy for everyone to say look this is the case. Because as you can imagine it isn’t talking about whether we have a dog or a cat at home "No but it's similar to sharing anything difficult. I have a trauma from my past which I have to share with most sexual partners because certain things will trigger me and I need them to know what to do if that happens and what to avoid to try and prevent it. It's incredibly difficult sharing it, but I still do because they have a right to know in advance so we go into the bedroom together fully informed. It's one of the reasons I don't sleep with a lot of people actually and I'm picky about who I trust enough with that information. | |||
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"Forgive my ignorance....but if you have a facsimile of a pussy...what do you get out of having penetrative sex ... can you orgasm...where is the pleasure for you ...
I didn't know either, so thank you for asking!
It's the only way to learn Sir..."I have a surgically created vagina. They used all the nerves I had before so I can be stimulated like any other woman. I have a clitoris that seeks when I’m aroused and a g spot. I can use my pelvic muscles on a man. My hormone levels match those of an ovulating woman and the bacteria inside my vagina are very similar to a cis one. The result is a vulva that looks perfect and smells just right. I’ve been to bed with someone who used to identify only as lesbian and was told they couldn’t tell the difference. I don’t self lubricant but that doesn’t mean I’m not moist and slippy inside already. | |||
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"Forgive my ignorance....but if you have a facsimile of a pussy...what do you get out of having penetrative sex ... can you orgasm...where is the pleasure for you ...
I didn't know either, so thank you for asking!
It's the only way to learn Sir...
I have a surgically created vagina.
They used all the nerves I had before so I can be stimulated like any other woman.
I have a clitoris that seeks when I’m aroused and a g spot. I can use my pelvic muscles on a man.
My hormone levels match those of an ovulating woman and the bacteria inside my vagina are very similar to a cis one. The result is a vulva that looks perfect and smells just right. I’ve been to bed with someone who used to identify only as lesbian and was told they couldn’t tell the difference.
I don’t self lubricant but that doesn’t mean I’m not moist and slippy inside already. " | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? " I don't think you be introduced in that way. But, if that introduction leads to something more intimate, then it may be the time. | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? I don't think you be introduced in that way. But, if that introduction leads to something more intimate, then it may be the time." Oh believe me; people often have a pride that their friend is trans and doesn’t look like a bloke in a micro skirt. I’ve had to ask several friends to stop prewarning new people that I’m trans. Also to stop them saying after I’ve left ‘did you realise?’ I get it. I’m amazing
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"Forgive my ignorance....but if you have a facsimile of a pussy...what do you get out of having penetrative sex ... can you orgasm...where is the pleasure for you ...
I didn't know either, so thank you for asking!
It's the only way to learn Sir...
I have a surgically created vagina.
They used all the nerves I had before so I can be stimulated like any other woman.
I have a clitoris that seeks when I’m aroused and a g spot. I can use my pelvic muscles on a man.
My hormone levels match those of an ovulating woman and the bacteria inside my vagina are very similar to a cis one. The result is a vulva that looks perfect and smells just right. I’ve been to bed with someone who used to identify only as lesbian and was told they couldn’t tell the difference.
I don’t self lubricant but that doesn’t mean I’m not moist and slippy inside already. "Thank you ?? | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? I don't think you be introduced in that way. But, if that introduction leads to something more intimate, then it may be the time. Oh believe me; people often have a pride that their friend is trans and doesn’t look like a bloke in a micro skirt. I’ve had to ask several friends to stop prewarning new people that I’m trans. Also to stop them saying after I’ve left ‘did you realise?’ I get it. I’m amazing
I’m just Me though. "I can't disagree with that Rachel...you are pretty amazing, and not because you're trans | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? I don't think you be introduced in that way. But, if that introduction leads to something more intimate, then it may be the time. Oh believe me; people often have a pride that their friend is trans and doesn’t look like a bloke in a micro skirt. I’ve had to ask several friends to stop prewarning new people that I’m trans. Also to stop them saying after I’ve left ‘did you realise?’ I get it. I’m amazing
I’m just Me though. "I think your amazing too x | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? I don't think you be introduced in that way. But, if that introduction leads to something more intimate, then it may be the time. Oh believe me; people often have a pride that their friend is trans and doesn’t look like a bloke in a micro skirt. I’ve had to ask several friends to stop prewarning new people that I’m trans. Also to stop them saying after I’ve left ‘did you realise?’ I get it. I’m amazing
I’m just Me though.
I can't disagree with that Rachel...you are pretty amazing, and not because you're trans "Lol. I was joking xx | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? I don't think you be introduced in that way. But, if that introduction leads to something more intimate, then it may be the time. Oh believe me; people often have a pride that their friend is trans and doesn’t look like a bloke in a micro skirt. I’ve had to ask several friends to stop prewarning new people that I’m trans. Also to stop them saying after I’ve left ‘did you realise?’ I get it. I’m amazing
I’m just Me though.
I can't disagree with that Rachel...you are pretty amazing, and not because you're trans
Lol. I was joking xx"I know that were
But, I'm not xx | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? " Agree with this I used to tell people one of my daughters is transgender! Now I just say I have 4 daughters and 2 sons! Obviously I talk about her to others if it comes up but if people ask how many children do u have and are they boys girls then I just say that! At first for some reason I dont know why I felt the need to point it out ! X | |||
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"On the flip side; at what point can we just get on with life rather than being introduced as the trans person? Agree with this I used to tell people one of my daughters is transgender! Now I just say I have 4 daughters and 2 sons! Obviously I talk about her to others if it comes up but if people ask how many children do u have and are they boys girls then I just say that! At first for some reason I dont know why I felt the need to point it out ! X" | |||
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"Also I dont know if there are other parents here of transgender children? Do u miss the child they was? I love sophie more than I can explain I really do! And to see her happy is phenomenal! She has truly blossemed! But some times I panic if I cant remember michael!in some ways I see them as 2 different people ! Praps I'm just weird x" I have no experience of this but it kinda makes sense to me xx | |||
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"Also I dont know if there are other parents here of transgender children? Do u miss the child they was? I love sophie more than I can explain I really do! And to see her happy is phenomenal! She has truly blossemed! But some times I panic if I cant remember michael!in some ways I see them as 2 different people ! Praps I'm just weird x" That’s so sadly powerful, like a form of grief. I had never imagine that this would happen but I can see why it has. Don’t really know what else to say really, just felt a rush of empathy | |||
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"Also I dont know if there are other parents here of transgender children? Do u miss the child they was? I love sophie more than I can explain I really do! And to see her happy is phenomenal! She has truly blossemed! But some times I panic if I cant remember michael!in some ways I see them as 2 different people ! Praps I'm just weird x" I have spoken to several other parents of trans children from here so you’re not alone. I see the person I was as ‘him’ now. I have so many lovely memories of my kids, especially when we were a single parent family, but I remember myself as genderless. I was very much in limbo back then. | |||
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"Also I dont know if there are other parents here of transgender children? Do u miss the child they was? I love sophie more than I can explain I really do! And to see her happy is phenomenal! She has truly blossemed! But some times I panic if I cant remember michael!in some ways I see them as 2 different people ! Praps I'm just weird x That’s so sadly powerful, like a form of grief. I had never imagine that this would happen but I can see why it has. Don’t really know what else to say really, just felt a rush of empathy " There is a certain degree of grief and mourning involved in transition. I mentioned this earlier on. Even we, the person transitioning, can mourn the loss of the person we’d tried to be. | |||
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"Also I dont know if there are other parents here of transgender children? Do u miss the child they was? I love sophie more than I can explain I really do! And to see her happy is phenomenal! She has truly blossemed! But some times I panic if I cant remember michael!in some ways I see them as 2 different people ! Praps I'm just weird x I have spoken to several other parents of trans children from here so you’re not alone. I see the person I was as ‘him’ now. I have so many lovely memories of my kids, especially when we were a single parent family, but I remember myself as genderless. I was very much in limbo back then. " Ohh absoulutley! Think sophie definitely felt the same! Was not a happy child at all! But I still kinda miss that child sometimes x | |||
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"I'm a lady "I so want to say ‘you ain’t no lady’ in a way to insinuate you’re a naughty girl | |||
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"I'm a lady
I so want to say ‘you ain’t no lady’ in a way to insinuate you’re a naughty girl "Well ok | |||
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"It's been a great thread to learn from. Thank you for posting. Sorry if it's a pain to ask questions! I'm genuinely interested. "I, for one, am always happy to answer questions. If people understand more then it makes transition less of a mystery. | |||
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"I'm a lady
I so want to say ‘you ain’t no lady’ in a way to insinuate you’re a naughty girl
Well ok
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"I'm a lady
I so want to say ‘you ain’t no lady’ in a way to insinuate you’re a naughty girl
Well ok
Love you Yasmeen xx"Love you too xxxx | |||
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"I'm a lady
I so want to say ‘you ain’t no lady’ in a way to insinuate you’re a naughty girl
Well ok
Love you Yasmeen xx
Love you too xxxx
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"I was so hoping this was going to be about a stunt pussy "Mine’s a little new to be doing stunts just yet. She’s pretty stunning though | |||
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