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"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips?" Or in my case just eat pizza and pump more insulin in to my body manually via my insulin pump. T | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Or in my case just eat pizza and pump more insulin in to my body manually via my insulin pump. T" Yes - I assume it's not quite as straightforward for diabetics, but then pizza is always good  | |||
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"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips?" Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2 | |||
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"Not me. I have to be stricter than a nun at a convent school to lose even an ounce. " Yes, it can be hard as well. | |||
"Not me. I have to be stricter than a nun at a convent school to lose even an ounce. Yes, it can be hard as well." | |||
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"Personally I don’t do that Shag, if I have something like that it’s a treat and I don’t let those extra calories worry me. "That is also good. I sometimes fo that too | |||
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"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account "Firstly, dieting is a shit idea. Better to make minor adjustments and come up with a sustainable lifestyle. But can you have the occasional splurge when dieting? Yes, and it’s a good idea, as if you are constantly starving yourself your body figures this out and starts storing more calories. The odd splurge cancels that instinct. | |||
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"I’m one of the ones people hate as I’ve never dieted, I eat what I like without a worry, always told it would catch up with me when I’m older well I’m older lol and nothings changed, I’m half a stone lighter than when I was in my 20’s and eat for England "Grrrrrr!!!! | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account
Firstly, dieting is a shit idea. Better to make minor adjustments and come up with a sustainable lifestyle.
But can you have the occasional splurge when dieting? Yes, and it’s a good idea, as if you are constantly starving yourself your body figures this out and starts storing more calories. The odd splurge cancels that instinct. "Sweeping statement there… Dieting for a particular purpose such as medical or for a specific event as essential … and I ate more after having a specific nutritional plan for an endurance event than I ever had and lost weight… and this was not adjustment to my training so I agree that the incorrect diets are wrong, not all of them are | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account "Reading that makes me want to binge out on junk food and cash all my chips and eat them too, then ring out for more takeaways. | |||
"I’m one of the ones people hate as I’ve never dieted, I eat what I like without a worry, always told it would catch up with me when I’m older well I’m older lol and nothings changed, I’m half a stone lighter than when I was in my 20’s and eat for England "Luckily recent studies are showing “metabolism” doesn’t even start to slow down until around 60. You got plenty of time left | |||
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"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2" Sorry, me again. Not quite. Don't also forget homeostasis and weight set points. | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2 Sorry, me again. Not quite. Don't also forget homeostasis and weight set points. "It’s called “weight set point theory” for a reason. It’s a theory. | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2 Sorry, me again. Not quite. Don't also forget homeostasis and weight set points.
It’s called “weight set point theory” for a reason. It’s a theory. "So indulging you for a moment, even if it's a theory, does that make it wrong? There's still the homeostasis elephant in the room too. | |||
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"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account "I like this approach normally when dieting go into a more extreme deficit on rest days so can go higher cals on training days so energy for training is still high | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2 Sorry, me again. Not quite. Don't also forget homeostasis and weight set points.
It’s called “weight set point theory” for a reason. It’s a theory.
So indulging you for a moment, even if it's a theory, does that make it wrong? There's still the homeostasis elephant in the room too. "No it’s just that thermodynamics isn’t a theory, they’re laws we can replicate The human body isn’t magic, it must obey the laws of the universe Now obviously there’s more to dieting than just calories. There’s adherence strategies, there’s figuring out how to maintain your new weight after a weight loss period, there’s all sorts. But to lose it in the first place, you gotta use those laws of consuming less energy than you burn. So that the system is in a deficit, and that stored energy is taken from within the system, which causes weight loss. Once that’s achieved, then we can look at the other strategy involved In Keeping it off | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account
I like this approach normally when dieting go into a more extreme deficit on rest days so can go higher cals on training days so energy for training is still high "Your a fairly big lad, what do you do for that? Just save like 200-300 calories from rest days and smashed 200-300 worth of carbs pre workout | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account
I like this approach normally when dieting go into a more extreme deficit on rest days so can go higher cals on training days so energy for training is still high
Your a fairly big lad, what do you do for that? Just save like 200-300 calories from rest days and smashed 200-300 worth of carbs pre workout "I have 3 rest days a week mate so go pretty low 800-1000 total calories them days and try and get a long walk in then on training days keep protein intake high (350-400) and centre most carbs around workout (100 grams from rice pre workout 100 grams from cereal and fruit juice straight after) | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account
I like this approach normally when dieting go into a more extreme deficit on rest days so can go higher cals on training days so energy for training is still high
Your a fairly big lad, what do you do for that? Just save like 200-300 calories from rest days and smashed 200-300 worth of carbs pre workout
I have 3 rest days a week mate so go pretty low 800-1000 total calories them days and try and get a long walk in then on training days keep protein intake high (350-400) and centre most carbs around workout (100 grams from rice pre workout 100 grams from cereal and fruit juice straight after) "Damn 350-400 protein you mad man! Interesting though, I’ve never gone that high Great tan too, MT2? | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account
I like this approach normally when dieting go into a more extreme deficit on rest days so can go higher cals on training days so energy for training is still high
Your a fairly big lad, what do you do for that? Just save like 200-300 calories from rest days and smashed 200-300 worth of carbs pre workout
I have 3 rest days a week mate so go pretty low 800-1000 total calories them days and try and get a long walk in then on training days keep protein intake high (350-400) and centre most carbs around workout (100 grams from rice pre workout 100 grams from cereal and fruit juice straight after)
Damn 350-400 protein you mad man! Interesting though, I’ve never gone that high
Great tan too, MT2?"Haha cheers mate no MT2 just a result of inheriting the easy tan skin off my granny who was Spanish + 20 years of working outdoors Definitely Worth giving the extra protein a try mate I bet you would be happy with the results | |||
"I would say yes you can and here is what I do, lets say that you know that you are going to have a pizza on a friday and it is monday now, then I would eat about 200 calories less the days before so it equals to about a 10000 calorie deficit for that day to make up for the pizza in the calories, or if we would have the pizza today, then I would reverse what I was doing by eating less on the following days, how would you do it? It is all about banking your calories in your saving account
I like this approach normally when dieting go into a more extreme deficit on rest days so can go higher cals on training days so energy for training is still high
Your a fairly big lad, what do you do for that? Just save like 200-300 calories from rest days and smashed 200-300 worth of carbs pre workout
I have 3 rest days a week mate so go pretty low 800-1000 total calories them days and try and get a long walk in then on training days keep protein intake high (350-400) and centre most carbs around workout (100 grams from rice pre workout 100 grams from cereal and fruit juice straight after)
Damn 350-400 protein you mad man! Interesting though, I’ve never gone that high
Great tan too, MT2?
Haha cheers mate no MT2 just a result of inheriting the easy tan skin off my granny who was Spanish + 20 years of working outdoors
Definitely Worth giving the extra protein a try mate I bet you would be happy with the results "You lucky buggar! I know people smashing MT2 for that kinda tan I might give it a little try, I’m just starting a very small cut to trim up a little bit. | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2" All calories are not treated equally by our bodies though. | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2 Sorry, me again. Not quite. Don't also forget homeostasis and weight set points.
It’s called “weight set point theory” for a reason. It’s a theory.
So indulging you for a moment, even if it's a theory, does that make it wrong? There's still the homeostasis elephant in the room too.
No it’s just that thermodynamics isn’t a theory, they’re laws we can replicate
The human body isn’t magic, it must obey the laws of the universe
Now obviously there’s more to dieting than just calories. There’s adherence strategies, there’s figuring out how to maintain your new weight after a weight loss period, there’s all sorts.
But to lose it in the first place, you gotta use those laws of consuming less energy than you burn. So that the system is in a deficit, and that stored energy is taken from within the system, which causes weight loss.
Once that’s achieved, then we can look at the other strategy involved In Keeping it off "I think an important thing to bear in mind is that there are laws of the universe (as we know them), but they have to be applied correctly. When it comes to the human body, it cannot be approximated to a simple black box. There's quite a lot going on inside. Overfeeding and starvation studies have shown that the calories consumed or deprived do not, long term, translate into a gain or loss in weight equating to the additional calories consumed or deprived. Why is this so? A basic law of physics applied at a high level would say this shouldn't happen. As you point out, looking long term, the challenge is to keep the weight off after a "diet" has come to an end. I honestly don't think a long term calorie deficit diet prior to stopping will help this. I can think of at least one bariatric surgeon who has this view. | |||
"Apparently it's all about letting the insulin levels in your body drop (they rise whenever you eat something), which then allows your body to metabolise stored fat for energy. This is why intermittent fasting is supposed to be good - in theory, if you eat say 2000 calories a day (for the average man) but have it all within maybe a 7 hr period, you should lose weight quicker than someone who ate the same 2000 calories, but spread them out over a 14 hr period. Now where are those chips? Well since a calorie is a unit of measurement for energy, and the laws of thermodynamics state you can’t create or destroy energy, only transfer, id say it doesn’t matter. 2000 calories is 2000 calories Remember, IF is a method to induce a calorie deficit, not a method to “burn more fat”. Don’t confuse the 2 Sorry, me again. Not quite. Don't also forget homeostasis and weight set points.
It’s called “weight set point theory” for a reason. It’s a theory.
So indulging you for a moment, even if it's a theory, does that make it wrong? There's still the homeostasis elephant in the room too.
No it’s just that thermodynamics isn’t a theory, they’re laws we can replicate
The human body isn’t magic, it must obey the laws of the universe
Now obviously there’s more to dieting than just calories. There’s adherence strategies, there’s figuring out how to maintain your new weight after a weight loss period, there’s all sorts.
But to lose it in the first place, you gotta use those laws of consuming less energy than you burn. So that the system is in a deficit, and that stored energy is taken from within the system, which causes weight loss.
Once that’s achieved, then we can look at the other strategy involved In Keeping it off
I think an important thing to bear in mind is that there are laws of the universe (as we know them), but they have to be applied correctly. When it comes to the human body, it cannot be approximated to a simple black box. There's quite a lot going on inside. Overfeeding and starvation studies have shown that the calories consumed or deprived do not, long term, translate into a gain or loss in weight equating to the additional calories consumed or deprived. Why is this so? A basic law of physics applied at a high level would say this shouldn't happen. As you point out, looking long term, the challenge is to keep the weight off after a "diet" has come to an end. I honestly don't think a long term calorie deficit diet prior to stopping will help this. I can think of at least one bariatric surgeon who has this view. "I guess it depends on your views. But it’s absolutely possible to eat at a calorie deficit, lose a bunch of weight, and with the tight strategies, keep the weight off That’s not possible while in a calorie surplus, or while in a calorie maintenance. | |||
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