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"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views???" Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old. 
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself | |||
"I think you would maybe have to live as whatever you said you were, to really "be" it." yea i get that truly live it | |||
"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old.
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself " yea good explanation thanks i guess the korean example they might have wanted to be that i dunno maybe they like the idea of kpop or whatever but did they really feel it from an early age??? that could be the difference | |||
"I want to be a tree "What was that an advert for?!! | |||
"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old.
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself
yea good explanation thanks i guess the korean example they might have wanted to be that i dunno maybe they like the idea of kpop or whatever but did they really feel it from an early age??? that could be the difference "They said they only thought about being Korean for the past few years ( I don’t remember the exact number of years but was something pretty recent) and it’s probably to do with the obsession they have to KPOP. There’s no such thing as a Korean trapped in a white mans body. His vids feel so posed and fake to get attention (yes I’m calling that person out for the disservice) The only transracial issues are those experienced by people being adopted (usually) and being raised by white parents for example. A bit like a little duck being raised by swans But then still that’s different from gender identity | |||
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"You can't change your age and this is because there can be fraudulent activity or detriments to others. Nobody changes their gender for any advantage or for fraudulent or illegal activity" Nobody changes their gender cos they are bored or in fact; for any reason other than it becomes a necessity… and that’s because its such a big ass hard process ..from acceptance of one true self, to reaching out to doctors/therapists, to starting a new life while grieving a precious life, to a life time of hormones, the cost and pain of operations, the first awkward stages of transitioning. I could go on and on and on It certainly isn’t a game like some people make it out to be. | |||
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"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old.
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself
yea good explanation thanks i guess the korean example they might have wanted to be that i dunno maybe they like the idea of kpop or whatever but did they really feel it from an early age??? that could be the difference
They said they only thought about being Korean for the past few years ( I don’t remember the exact number of years but was something pretty recent) and it’s probably to do with the obsession they have to KPOP.
There’s no such thing as a Korean trapped in a white mans body.
His vids feel so posed and fake to get attention (yes I’m calling that person out for the disservice)
The only transracial issues are those experienced by people being adopted (usually) and being raised by white parents for example.
A bit like a little duck being raised by swans
But then still that’s different from gender identity "Yeah very different | |||
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"There’s a flippant answer and a serious answer.. people can call themselves whatever they like and it’s up to them what they truly believe. However, as Kylie says so succinctly, it does detract from the much bigger picture of people born into a body they do not identify with. The two sides are not comparable. " Exactly that Saff x x it’s pretty scientific as well too The only choice I made for example, was finally accepting myself, and accepting what I’ve always known but felt ashamed of , because I was made to feel I was born a freak/not right. 
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"‘There’s no such thing as a Korean trapped in a white mans body.’ Why isn’t there no such thing? Just because you don’t relate to it? " I think it’s more the concept and ideology behind it is pretty absurd, As children your still innocent you take no notice of race, colour or sexuality, things like racism and homophobia are taught by the people we surround ourselves with, and I also don’t believe there’s many cases or any for that matter where people feel they was born into the wrong race, I could of course be completely wrong and it could be a thing, but I think it’s very unlikely, As pointed out, gender dysphoria starts from a young age, and it’s a long battle that is confusing and very lonely, it results in mental health difficulties, As a trans you don’t just randomly wake up one morning in your 20-30s and suddenly decided your bored of being a man and decide you want to be a woman, it’s more then likely this is a battle you’ve had with yourself from your earliest of memories, Not everyone will understand it, and that’s ok, as humans we are complex, and the brain itself is a very remarkable thing, but at the end of the day, we are all human and everybody is equal, so just treat everyone with respect | |||
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"‘There’s no such thing as a Korean trapped in a white mans body.’ Why isn’t there no such thing? Just because you don’t relate to it? " Because I’m pretty sure this person didn’t have a vision of itself at a young age thinking. Omg, I should be Korean and should be actually be born in Korea. Or have an inclination about it. Korean. Not even Oriental. Specifically Korean.. and specifically Jimin or whatever he’s called from BTS. (The band) So I’m sorry if I call that person out for being actually looking for attention (they are a influencer to start with) and being an ultimate troll. They lost all credibility when they started saying their pronouns can also be KOR/EAN AND JI/MEEN. It’s okay to have fascinations and wanting to resemble being a Korean.. but let’s just be honest here!! And say it! (Like those who want to look like Kim K or Angelina Jolie. But they know they aren’t Angelina trapped in someone’s body…) Also the only way for that person to be a Korean is to go live there and have a citizenship. Simples.
Ps: I never had any fascinations about being a girl. I just knew I was. And I can go back as far as 4 in my memory to tell you how I was perceiving and thinking of myself . AND - this continued on till I decided to transition (which I was very ashamed of thinking or just being this way because even my own dad whom I LOVED to bit . Kept saying shit like “ U are not a girl so why can’t you just be a boy “ - and I couldn’t understand why I am just like the way I am and that shit stick and hurts and creates incredible self hate for years)
So no, if the point you are making is: U can’t relate because it’s not convenient for yourself and if they aren’t valid then you just proved yourself that YOU ARE not valid as a woman well. My tip is Go do some actual studies and research and come back here once you have done that | |||
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"‘There’s no such thing as a Korean trapped in a white mans body.’ Why isn’t there no such thing? Just because you don’t relate to it? I think it’s more the concept and ideology behind it is pretty absurd, As children your still innocent you take no notice of race, colour or sexuality, things like racism and homophobia are taught by the people we surround ourselves with, and I also don’t believe there’s many cases or any for that matter where people feel they was born into the wrong race, I could of course be completely wrong and it could be a thing, but I think it’s very unlikely, As pointed out, gender dysphoria starts from a young age, and it’s a long battle that is confusing and very lonely, it results in mental health difficulties, As a trans you don’t just randomly wake up one morning in your 20-30s and suddenly decided your bored of being a man and decide you want to be a woman, it’s more then likely this is a battle you’ve had with yourself from your earliest of memories, Not everyone will understand it, and that’s ok, as humans we are complex, and the brain itself is a very remarkable thing, but at the end of the day, we are all human and everybody is equal, so just treat everyone with respect " In my case I only came to the realisation about 15 years ago, but when I did a lot of stuff from throughout my life suddenly made more sense. Looking back now, from quite an early age I didn't feel right but couldn't put any name to it. I do remember very vivid dreams from maybe age 5 or 6 where I was always dressed in girls clothes, but this never crossed over into my waking life. Trans basically wasn't a concept in the time and place where I was brought up, so it wasn't even possible to properly imagine. Then many years later I was walking through Manchester in the evening, made a short cut through the gay village, saw some of the trans girls smoking outside a pub... Big light bulb moment... From there to here now feels inevitable. | |||
"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views???" Ha ha I was just going to mention the Korean thing, I'm sorry but in that instance no you are not. He is a stupid stupid man. I could say I'm a banana and paint myself yellow but it doesn't make me one. | |||
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about people who identified as the opposite sex they were born as. So yeah, that's it.
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"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Ha ha I was just going to mention the Korean thing, I'm sorry but in that instance no you are not. He is a stupid stupid man. I could say I'm a banana and paint myself yellow but it doesn't make me one." That person was just looking to have some attention and they got it. They are an influencer and they had the spotlight they needed as I think lots of Korean press and people also got offended (I can kinda see why, they can’t even speak Korean). So KOR is in the spotlight !! They also came out as non binary, which is the only thing I believe might be genuine, even tho I can’t truly identity or truly understand with . But I can sort of see how some people might not feel neither meat nor fish but a mash up of both , maybe?? I don’t know. Having said that, from not feeling exactly totally neither to say I feel like a pot plant or an attack helicopter. There’s a whole freaking sea In between | |||
"sexycatkylie, what you've so eloquently said in this thread has really made me rethink my stance on transgender people. Don't get me wrong, I was never ever homophobic, extremely far from it, but I never really understood the transgender mentality and always thought about people who identified as the opposite sex they were born as. So yeah, that's it.
Frank"It’s refreshing to hear of another person who has stopped going and is more open to learning a little more about why trans people exist.
I imagine lots of us went when we heard someone say they were gay back in the 70’s but now we just accept some people find the same sex attractive.
Many people assume we identify as trans. Or like dressing up. Or want the attention. This is because the media have been saying that for so long and so we just go and get on with our lives.
Trans people, as they start to transition, tend to look like the stereotype cross dressers the media poke fun at.
Before you can get any medical help, the system requires you to live like that for two years to prove you’re serious. Once on hormones, it then takes 2 to 5 years to see the effects of the hormones and many things the puberty caused simply can’t be undone.
So imagine, if you will, that you come out as trans and ask your doctor for a referral for help. You then begin living as your true self as you await your first appointment…. Five years later you see the triage person. A year or two later you may be offered hormones. A year or two later you may be offered surgery.
If your female, the surgery offered is to have a vagina created.
If you’re male, the surgery offered is to remove the breasts and perhaps have a as hysterectomy.
There is currently no surgery offered in the UK to trans men to have a phalloplasty. | |||
"sexycatkylie, what you've so eloquently said in this thread has really made me rethink my stance on transgender people. Don't get me wrong, I was never ever homophobic, extremely far from it, but I never really understood the transgender mentality and always thought about people who identified as the opposite sex they were born as. So yeah, that's it.
Frank"Thanks Frank, I try to speak from my own experience, and from early memories and recollections and how I lived it throughout my life - struggling with acceptance and fear and desire (of hoping to be born again in another life as a biological woman) x But if you look around on the internet (interviews or personal stories from other women or men who happen to be trans) u will understand how we just are and the only decision we make , is when we finally stop pretending and living our lives as best as we can by aligning our inner soul/brain (call it how u want it) with the body we got (sadly) given at birth. | |||
"sexycatkylie, what you've so eloquently said in this thread has really made me rethink my stance on transgender people. Don't get me wrong, I was never ever homophobic, extremely far from it, but I never really understood the transgender mentality and always thought about people who identified as the opposite sex they were born as. So yeah, that's it.
Frank
It’s refreshing to hear of another person who has stopped going and is more open to learning a little more about why trans people exist.
I imagine lots of us went when we heard someone say they were gay back in the 70’s but now we just accept some people find the same sex attractive.
Many people assume we identify as trans. Or like dressing up. Or want the attention. This is because the media have been saying that for so long and so we just go and get on with our lives.
Trans people, as they start to transition, tend to look like the stereotype cross dressers the media poke fun at.
Before you can get any medical help, the system requires you to live like that for two years to prove you’re serious. Once on hormones, it then takes 2 to 5 years to see the effects of the hormones and many things the puberty caused simply can’t be undone.
So imagine, if you will, that you come out as trans and ask your doctor for a referral for help. You then begin living as your true self as you await your first appointment…. Five years later you see the triage person. A year or two later you may be offered hormones. A year or two later you may be offered surgery.
If your female, the surgery offered is to have a vagina created.
If you’re male, the surgery offered is to remove the breasts and perhaps have a as hysterectomy.
There is currently no surgery offered in the UK to trans men to have a phalloplasty. "Yes, I'm aware of what you have to go through from talking personally to trans folk. I've also been on here a few years and have seen your transformation from your previous life. | |||
"sexycatkylie, what you've so eloquently said in this thread has really made me rethink my stance on transgender people. Don't get me wrong, I was never ever homophobic, extremely far from it, but I never really understood the transgender mentality and always thought about people who identified as the opposite sex they were born as. So yeah, that's it.
Frank
It’s refreshing to hear of another person who has stopped going and is more open to learning a little more about why trans people exist.
I imagine lots of us went when we heard someone say they were gay back in the 70’s but now we just accept some people find the same sex attractive.
Many people assume we identify as trans. Or like dressing up. Or want the attention. This is because the media have been saying that for so long and so we just go and get on with our lives.
Trans people, as they start to transition, tend to look like the stereotype cross dressers the media poke fun at.
Before you can get any medical help, the system requires you to live like that for two years to prove you’re serious. Once on hormones, it then takes 2 to 5 years to see the effects of the hormones and many things the puberty caused simply can’t be undone.
So imagine, if you will, that you come out as trans and ask your doctor for a referral for help. You then begin living as your true self as you await your first appointment…. Five years later you see the triage person. A year or two later you may be offered hormones. A year or two later you may be offered surgery.
If your female, the surgery offered is to have a vagina created.
If you’re male, the surgery offered is to remove the breasts and perhaps have a as hysterectomy.
There is currently no surgery offered in the UK to trans men to have a phalloplasty.
Yes, I'm aware of what you have to go through from talking personally to trans folk. I've also been on here a few years and have seen your transformation from your previous life." | |||
"sexycatkylie, what you've so eloquently said in this thread has really made me rethink my stance on transgender people. Don't get me wrong, I was never ever homophobic, extremely far from it, but I never really understood the transgender mentality and always thought about people who identified as the opposite sex they were born as. So yeah, that's it.
Frank
It’s refreshing to hear of another person who has stopped going and is more open to learning a little more about why trans people exist.
I imagine lots of us went when we heard someone say they were gay back in the 70’s but now we just accept some people find the same sex attractive.
Many people assume we identify as trans. Or like dressing up. Or want the attention. This is because the media have been saying that for so long and so we just go and get on with our lives.
Trans people, as they start to transition, tend to look like the stereotype cross dressers the media poke fun at.
Before you can get any medical help, the system requires you to live like that for two years to prove you’re serious. Once on hormones, it then takes 2 to 5 years to see the effects of the hormones and many things the puberty caused simply can’t be undone.
So imagine, if you will, that you come out as trans and ask your doctor for a referral for help. You then begin living as your true self as you await your first appointment…. Five years later you see the triage person. A year or two later you may be offered hormones. A year or two later you may be offered surgery.
If your female, the surgery offered is to have a vagina created.
If you’re male, the surgery offered is to remove the breasts and perhaps have a as hysterectomy.
There is currently no surgery offered in the UK to trans men to have a phalloplasty. "And I’ve heard that palloplasty is like 25-30K!!! Imagine in some countries also those men aren’t allowed to change their name in documents until they have done that operation. So imagine the struggle!! I still haven’t got round to change my passports, so You can imagine the shock of some people when they ask for my ID when I want to buy wine and they aren’t sure I’m 25. The latest at Sainsbury’s … and she was like.. ow, I thought u… well btw my daughter is bisexual… : And I was like.. ok cool *awkward smiles* I need to change them ASAP as it totally fucking sucks and it’s such a dig and causes anxiety.. Going back to ops, there’s no right or wrong when it comes to it, but for the avarage woman, we are talking 30K on avarage if not more that we need to fork out and the pain too. Xx | |||
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"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old.
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself "Well said kylie agree 100% x | |||
"Last year I changed my name to Michael Jackson. My preferred pronouns now are He He." Shamone | |||
"Also I’m sorry all if I get very passionate about these issues but I get triggered easily when I read some BS
"I’m not triggered so easily nowadays, could be my age or that I’m just weary of it. I do despair a little when I see people following the crowd saying they identify as a (insert something hilarious)….. What they often fail to realise is the ‘identify as’ joke was started by the media to mock trans identity. We don’t actually ‘identify’ as trans. We ARE trans. Even some trans people have been drawn into this ‘identify’ thing. | |||
"Also I’m sorry all if I get very passionate about these issues but I get triggered easily when I read some BS
"You have nothing to apologise for kylie u are truly an inspirational lovely young lady! I admire u x | |||
"Also I’m sorry all if I get very passionate about these issues but I get triggered easily when I read some BS
You have nothing to apologise for kylie u are truly an inspirational lovely young lady! I admire u x"Thanks Candy!!! It means a lot to me , big hugs my lovely  | |||
"Also I’m sorry all if I get very passionate about these issues but I get triggered easily when I read some BS
I’m not triggered so easily nowadays, could be my age or that I’m just weary of it.
I do despair a little when I see people following the crowd saying they identify as a (insert something hilarious)…..
What they often fail to realise is the ‘identify as’ joke was started by the media to mock trans identity.
We don’t actually ‘identify’ as trans. We ARE trans. Even some trans people have been drawn into this ‘identify’ thing. "Exactly Rach, I never in my mind used the word I identify as. We just are (like we either are or we aren’t) xx and I’m not even sorry for it
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"My understanding is that somebody can be a particular biological sex but a different one in their head. I don't know anybody denies the biology part. They just feel they are something different, and society is getting better at accepting and respecting that. On your Korean question, surgery cannot change where somebody is from or what their background is and I don't think anybody is suggesting it would. That sort of surgery can only enable somebody to look closer to how they want. I don't think there are any serious claims that making somebody look Korean actually makes them Korean. " Like somebody that wants to be Kim K and gets operation to look like her, they ain’t gonna be her. The only difference is that the person who gets the surgery is honest and says .. I’m fascinated by Kim and I want to LOOK like her. | |||
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"People are far more willing to accept an attractive, petite, trans female as female than one who is 6’6” with broad shoulders and a gravelly voice. The media used to portray gay men as effeminate, perverts who liked children. In reality, some of the finest examples of masculinity are attracted to each other. Now the media and certain extremists, are turning on trans women, in particular, suggesting we are perverts interested in children. (Same tactic) They prey on our natural need to protect our children, giving us a doubt that makes us not to want to take the risk. Certain right wing groups are known to be trying to create division in the lgbtq+ community. Divide and conquer. " I mean I’d be lying if I said that passing privileges arent real. But obviously that doesn’t make the 6’6” trans woman or the 5’2” trans man any less of a woman or a man. Sadly the pretty/handsome privilege is applicable and real in all fields of life . If someone is attractive , then they are always gonna have it easy in certain fields of life. Whether that person is a cis man or woman, gay, lesbian or transgender Btw my vision might be extra extorted because my background work wise was focusing almost solely on the exterior and on what looks good, so u can imagine… | |||
"My understanding is that somebody can be a particular biological sex but a different one in their head. I don't know anybody denies the biology part. They just feel they are something different, and society is getting better at accepting and respecting that " No one denies the biology part because they can see that bit and understand that. It also fits what we were brought up to believe as the ‘science’. Science is by nature, progressive as research unlocks the world around us. The human brain is far from understood, however there is growing evidence that trans brains have been affected by gene differences, not linked to chromosomes. The level of oestrogen a fetus is subjected to in the womb is also linked to a babies gender. This is also unaffected by chromosomes. The science is slowly unlocking why trans people ‘feel’ the way they do. On a side note: scientists are also claiming there are more intersex people born than ginger people….. | |||
"I could tell you I'm a beautiful size 10 blonde.. I'm clearly not However I could also tell you I'm an incredibly talented dancer by night who is a lawyer by day. Neither of these things are true but you have no way of knowing so can either choose to believe it or not. All we can do is accept the way people choose to portray themselves. It's their choice. " Yes and no. I’d love to tell people that I’m a rich heiress from London and my parents own a oil rig in Qatar. But it ain’t true no matter how hard I believe it (did anyone read about the woman who went to America and faked herself into the upper class as a heiress??) Like I’d be lying if I went round saying I’m a biological woman. The only truth is that yes I’m a woman, then if I have to specify, I’ll go into details and say.. that happens to be transgender. Id never deny that or say that I’m a bio woman even if I had the best vagina and none can ever tell the difference. Because it’d simply be a lie! | |||
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"I could tell you I'm a beautiful size 10 blonde.. I'm clearly not However I could also tell you I'm an incredibly talented dancer by night who is a lawyer by day. Neither of these things are true but you have no way of knowing so can either choose to believe it or not. All we can do is accept the way people choose to portray themselves. It's their choice. Yes and no. I’d love to tell people that I’m a rich heiress from London and my parents own a oil rig in Qatar. But it ain’t true no matter how hard I believe it (did anyone read about the woman who went to America and faked herself into the upper class as a heiress??) Like I’d be lying if I went round saying I’m a biological woman. The only truth is that yes I’m a woman, then if I have to specify, I’ll go into details and say.. that happens to be transgender. Id never deny that or say that I’m a bio woman even if I had the best vagina and none can ever tell the difference. Because it’d simply be a lie!" Exactly.
And you will have the very best of vaginas, Kylie. Believe me; a surgically created one is so close to one that grew like that it amazes even me! | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon. "You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you | |||
"I could tell you I'm a beautiful size 10 blonde.. I'm clearly not However I could also tell you I'm an incredibly talented dancer by night who is a lawyer by day. Neither of these things are true but you have no way of knowing so can either choose to believe it or not. All we can do is accept the way people choose to portray themselves. It's their choice. Yes and no. I’d love to tell people that I’m a rich heiress from London and my parents own a oil rig in Qatar. But it ain’t true no matter how hard I believe it (did anyone read about the woman who went to America and faked herself into the upper class as a heiress??) Like I’d be lying if I went round saying I’m a biological woman. The only truth is that yes I’m a woman, then if I have to specify, I’ll go into details and say.. that happens to be transgender. Id never deny that or say that I’m a bio woman even if I had the best vagina and none can ever tell the difference. Because it’d simply be a lie! Exactly.
And you will have the very best of vaginas, Kylie. Believe me; a surgically created one is so close to one that grew like that it amazes even me! "I am counting down the days!!!! VAG CHRISTENING PARTYY AT MINE | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon.
You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you "Literally | |||
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"I could tell you I'm a beautiful size 10 blonde.. I'm clearly not However I could also tell you I'm an incredibly talented dancer by night who is a lawyer by day. Neither of these things are true but you have no way of knowing so can either choose to believe it or not. All we can do is accept the way people choose to portray themselves. It's their choice. Yes and no. I’d love to tell people that I’m a rich heiress from London and my parents own a oil rig in Qatar. But it ain’t true no matter how hard I believe it (did anyone read about the woman who went to America and faked herself into the upper class as a heiress??) Like I’d be lying if I went round saying I’m a biological woman. The only truth is that yes I’m a woman, then if I have to specify, I’ll go into details and say.. that happens to be transgender. Id never deny that or say that I’m a bio woman even if I had the best vagina and none can ever tell the difference. Because it’d simply be a lie! Exactly.
And you will have the very best of vaginas, Kylie. Believe me; a surgically created one is so close to one that grew like that it amazes even me!
I am counting down the days!!!! VAG CHRISTENING PARTYY AT MINE "I’m still vetting potentials to help me Christen mine  (it’s only just over a year since my op!) | |||
"I could tell you I'm a beautiful size 10 blonde.. I'm clearly not However I could also tell you I'm an incredibly talented dancer by night who is a lawyer by day. Neither of these things are true but you have no way of knowing so can either choose to believe it or not. All we can do is accept the way people choose to portray themselves. It's their choice. Yes and no. I’d love to tell people that I’m a rich heiress from London and my parents own a oil rig in Qatar. But it ain’t true no matter how hard I believe it (did anyone read about the woman who went to America and faked herself into the upper class as a heiress??) Like I’d be lying if I went round saying I’m a biological woman. The only truth is that yes I’m a woman, then if I have to specify, I’ll go into details and say.. that happens to be transgender. Id never deny that or say that I’m a bio woman even if I had the best vagina and none can ever tell the difference. Because it’d simply be a lie! Exactly.
And you will have the very best of vaginas, Kylie. Believe me; a surgically created one is so close to one that grew like that it amazes even me!
I am counting down the days!!!! VAG CHRISTENING PARTYY AT MINE
I’m still vetting potentials to help me Christen mine (it’s only just over a year since my op!)"Haaa x I hope he’s gonna be a handsome fucker!!! | |||
"I could tell you I'm a beautiful size 10 blonde.. I'm clearly not However I could also tell you I'm an incredibly talented dancer by night who is a lawyer by day. Neither of these things are true but you have no way of knowing so can either choose to believe it or not. All we can do is accept the way people choose to portray themselves. It's their choice. Yes and no. I’d love to tell people that I’m a rich heiress from London and my parents own a oil rig in Qatar. But it ain’t true no matter how hard I believe it (did anyone read about the woman who went to America and faked herself into the upper class as a heiress??) Like I’d be lying if I went round saying I’m a biological woman. The only truth is that yes I’m a woman, then if I have to specify, I’ll go into details and say.. that happens to be transgender. Id never deny that or say that I’m a bio woman even if I had the best vagina and none can ever tell the difference. Because it’d simply be a lie! Exactly.
And you will have the very best of vaginas, Kylie. Believe me; a surgically created one is so close to one that grew like that it amazes even me!
I am counting down the days!!!! VAG CHRISTENING PARTYY AT MINE
I’m still vetting potentials to help me Christen mine (it’s only just over a year since my op!)
Haaa x I hope he’s gonna be a handsome fucker!!! "Same here. That may be why it’s taking so long! | |||
That’s what I’m gonna do , pick the right lucky one but once that’s done… I’m gonna give her away for free like shes a cake tasting sample at Sainsbury’s
Gotta make the return of investment | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon.
You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you
Literally "Literally? Interesting comments. Prejudice - 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.' The cause or justification for my view above is in my life experience I have met many humans who were male and often they have looked like the man I described above. So I reason that someone that looks like that is a man. I suspect, without evidence to the contrary, science would identify the man described as a man. Common decency is everyday courtesy, respect, and politeness that is expected and assumed by social convention. I accept that if the man described above seriously wished to be viewed as an 18y.o. girl, in the interests of common decency, I would try, within limits, to treat him as such. I do not want to cause unnecessary upset over such a matter. But he would still be a man to me because science, reason and experience would have led to that conclusion. | |||
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to be clear this isnt meant to be just a trans men or women thing its about freedom of expression in all things not just gender related
there was the famous case of that bird who identified as black and used tanning products to become black but really she was white and that was mostly frowned upon as in appropriate i will look up the case to get her name
its about where does the line start and end in you are what you identify as i think the best answer so far is one from early on they said something like right from a early age they felt in the wrong body unlike the korean example who just liked kpop so decided they wanted to be korean so is it what youve always felt yourself to be right from childhood rather than just a phase ??? | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon.
You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you
Literally
Literally? Interesting comments.
Prejudice - 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.' The cause or justification for my view above is in my life experience I have met many humans who were male and often they have looked like the man I described above. So I reason that someone that looks like that is a man.
I suspect, without evidence to the contrary, science would identify the man described as a man.
Common decency is everyday courtesy, respect, and politeness that is expected and assumed by social convention. I accept that if the man described above seriously wished to be viewed as an 18y.o. girl, in the interests of common decency, I would try, within limits, to treat him as such. I do not want to cause unnecessary upset over such a matter.
But he would still be a man to me because science, reason and experience would have led to that conclusion."Theres science and theres fiction. Someone who’s 60 yrs old clearly can’t go round saying he’s a 18 years old girl. So if you meet that person out in the street of course majority of people will assume he’s just a 60 yrs old man. These cases are an ultra minority , like the one who’s going round saying she’s a heiress from Russia. Totally untrue and managed to scam people and she went to jail. Now, this has nothing to do with transgender and gender issues (which are backed by science) but they are probably fantasists… which is also okay but don’t get the two things mixed up please | |||
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What was that an advert for?!!"The PRU darling...... the Pru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-skHC84AhU | |||
"good debate so far thx everyone its been a good read
to be clear this isnt meant to be just a trans men or women thing its about freedom of expression in all things not just gender related
there was the famous case of that bird who identified as black and used tanning products to become black but really she was white and that was mostly frowned upon as in appropriate i will look up the case to get her name
its about where does the line start and end in you are what you identify as i think the best answer so far is one from early on they said something like right from a early age they felt in the wrong body unlike the korean example who just liked kpop so decided they wanted to be korean so is it what youve always felt yourself to be right from childhood rather than just a phase ???"Its only because gender as mentioned previously, is formed very early on in life, there’s science backing it up. Just like sexuality. And actually later on as the brain forms, the front part of it is what actually might stop us because of doubts around it to choose to live as us. (Cos it’s a lot to handle) I always said it, if we lived in a society where there were no norms, no restrictions in terms of genders, no prejudice, no hate, id have naturally taken the path of me growing up as a normal girl (who then would have got help from doctors and therapist and transitioned super early on) because thats just who I am. Simples, no acting, or fascination/obsession | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon.
You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you
Literally
Literally? Interesting comments.
Prejudice - 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.' The cause or justification for my view above is in my life experience I have met many humans who were male and often they have looked like the man I described above. So I reason that someone that looks like that is a man.
I suspect, without evidence to the contrary, science would identify the man described as a man.
Common decency is everyday courtesy, respect, and politeness that is expected and assumed by social convention. I accept that if the man described above seriously wished to be viewed as an 18y.o. girl, in the interests of common decency, I would try, within limits, to treat him as such. I do not want to cause unnecessary upset over such a matter.
But he would still be a man to me because science, reason and experience would have led to that conclusion."If they were presenting as a man and claiming to be shorter, younger and a gender they make no effort to present as, I’d tend to agree. If, however, you’re just making a point that if you can spot they were born with a male body even though they are making every effort to align it with their gender, then we won’t agree. I note you said you would try within the limits of common decency to treat someone as they wish to be treated, so I withdraw my initial knee jerk reaction as I, perhaps, jumped to the conclusion you were making a point about all trans women rather than the specific example of someone who is clearly not trans. | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon.
You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you
Literally
Literally? Interesting comments.
Prejudice - 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.' The cause or justification for my view above is in my life experience I have met many humans who were male and often they have looked like the man I described above. So I reason that someone that looks like that is a man.
I suspect, without evidence to the contrary, science would identify the man described as a man.
Common decency is everyday courtesy, respect, and politeness that is expected and assumed by social convention. I accept that if the man described above seriously wished to be viewed as an 18y.o. girl, in the interests of common decency, I would try, within limits, to treat him as such. I do not want to cause unnecessary upset over such a matter.
But he would still be a man to me because science, reason and experience would have led to that conclusion.
If they were presenting as a man and claiming to be shorter, younger and a gender they make no effort to present as, I’d tend to agree.
If, however, you’re just making a point that if you can spot they were born with a male body even though they are making every effort to align it with their gender, then we won’t agree.
I note you said you would try within the limits of common decency to treat someone as they wish to be treated, so I withdraw my initial knee jerk reaction as I, perhaps, jumped to the conclusion you were making a point about all trans women rather than the specific example of someone who is clearly not trans.
"I have in the past met two people who had fully transgendered from male to female. They looked and acted like females and I treated them as female. I respected and admired the commitment they had made to alter their physical condition to reflect their sincerely and deeply held view of themselves. They were not simply "identifying as female",they had become female. Moving back from that complete transformation one eventually reaches a point where it is a obviously a man in a dress. Whilst I respect and defend their right to follow the transvestite route, should they so desire, I will still view them as a male dressed as a female. However, out of politeness, I would not seek to spoil their enjoyment of their chosen lifestyle by ignoring their chosen path. People often say they are young at heart. 60 year olds saying they feel like they are 25. I might identify that way ??. But I am sure if I approached a young Fabster with 20 to 30 as their age bracket their reply would be, if they deigned to reply, "Sod off grandad!!". Everyone else would helpfully mutter in unison "personal choice". Ce la vie en Fab! | |||
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"A friend of mine was assigned male at birth, and in later life has since has fully transitioned in a female. I knew them as their previous gender, and they were deeply unhappy and suicidal. I now know her as a very happy, confident and attractive young woman and I am very happy for her. She has found her true happiness. I cannot imagine how awful it must be to feel that your mind, your whole being, your utter essence is not in the right body. "Mother Nature" doesn't always get it right. DNA encodes the wrong way sometimes and some people draw the wrong straw. Thankfully, this can be corrected. I don't see my friend as a male who transitioned female. I see her as a female that was encoded incorrectly in the wrong body. She's always been female as far as I am concerned." Thanks for this and sharing this story. I’m very happy for your friend! I can totally relate to her story and even tho I wasn’t suicidal because I was distracting myself with things like glam work and travels, I had a deep sadness in me and was always seen by others as not present. It all makes sense now. Since transitioning I’ve never been happier and sure about myself, in my own skin. I’m not a finished “product” just yet but that’s all part of the journey And That’s exactly how we want to be seen, just as any normal girls/women | |||
"I think people are free to Identify themselves as they like. On the other hand I am free to identify them as I see fit too. So if you identify as a slender 5ft 18 year old female virgin and I see a hairy, bald, sweaty, overweight, 6ft tall, 60 year old man I won't be calling you "little Annie" anytime soon.
You’re sticking with prejudice rather than science and common decency then? Go you
Literally
Literally? Interesting comments.
Prejudice - 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.' The cause or justification for my view above is in my life experience I have met many humans who were male and often they have looked like the man I described above. So I reason that someone that looks like that is a man.
I suspect, without evidence to the contrary, science would identify the man described as a man.
Common decency is everyday courtesy, respect, and politeness that is expected and assumed by social convention. I accept that if the man described above seriously wished to be viewed as an 18y.o. girl, in the interests of common decency, I would try, within limits, to treat him as such. I do not want to cause unnecessary upset over such a matter.
But he would still be a man to me because science, reason and experience would have led to that conclusion.
If they were presenting as a man and claiming to be shorter, younger and a gender they make no effort to present as, I’d tend to agree.
If, however, you’re just making a point that if you can spot they were born with a male body even though they are making every effort to align it with their gender, then we won’t agree.
I note you said you would try within the limits of common decency to treat someone as they wish to be treated, so I withdraw my initial knee jerk reaction as I, perhaps, jumped to the conclusion you were making a point about all trans women rather than the specific example of someone who is clearly not trans.
I have in the past met two people who had fully transgendered from male to female. They looked and acted like females and I treated them as female. I respected and admired the commitment they had made to alter their physical condition to reflect their sincerely and deeply held view of themselves. They were not simply "identifying as female",they had become female.
Moving back from that complete transformation one eventually reaches a point where it is a obviously a man in a dress. Whilst I respect and defend their right to follow the transvestite route, should they so desire, I will still view them as a male dressed as a female. However, out of politeness, I would not seek to spoil their enjoyment of their chosen lifestyle by ignoring their chosen path.
People often say they are young at heart. 60 year olds saying they feel like they are 25. I might identify that way ??. But I am sure if I approached a young Fabster with 20 to 30 as their age bracket their reply would be, if they deigned to reply, "Sod off grandad!!". Everyone else would helpfully mutter in unison "personal choice". Ce la vie en Fab!"People think they have an athletic body when it’s in fact a couch potato body.
They don’t use the identify as , they might think or feel they are, I was always told I’m more mature mentally than the avarage person my age, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true but also it doesn’t mean i think I’m a 45 yrs woman.
Or I get told I look a lot younger and I still sadly get ID’d when I wanna buy alcohol. Doesn’t make me a tight 24 years old girl (even tho I might get away with it with some if I wanted to )
But yeah, when it comes to it gender and sexual identity are facts. You can’t convince yourself you are something. Either you are or you aren’t. (Either you are a woman who’s transgender or you aren’t . Like you are a cisgender man. And I’m assuming heterosexual)
The rest is escapism and fantasy (for some)
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"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old.
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself "Exactly this, but I couldn't word it as well. | |||
"How often do people on here say they are a gent, a lady or an alpha. That may be how they want to be perceived but every discussion over someone referring to themselves as an alpha concludes that if you have to say you are one it's a good sign that you certainly aren't. If I have to repeatedly tell others that I'm a gent it means my actions must be saying otherwise or why else would I have to continuously reinforce how I want to be perceived? Simply saying you are something may well be a mantra to help your own self perception but it doesn't mean others can see you in the same way. " Oh yes those ones who believe or want people to believe they are gentlemen and they know exactly how to treat the ladies when In fact they turn out to be the worst fuck bois on the planet … | |||
"I’m 21 - I have boobs like tennis balls again. Just let me drag them off the floor and I’ll show you! "They look a long way from the floor to me. | |||
"possibly controversial but want to get views and hear the debate can you be something just because you say you are?? is there some things you can be but other things you cant be?? theres a white person who had lots of surgery and now says theyre korean... google the story.. is he korean because he says he is or not?? theres a man in canada that left his family who now lives as a 6year old girl so is he a 6year old girl now?? google the story on here people say theyre straight but want to suck dick then others say who cares about labels you are what you are modern thinking now accepts that your gender is what you want it to be and i aint gonna challenge that on here haha so in this instance you are what you identify as and we all agree on that but the first three i would say your not even if you say you are ... you might disagree and say that the korean and the 6year old and the straight cock sucker are that if thats what they say they are. what is accepted what isnt??? gender is accepted but is race nationality or sexual preference??? where is the line drawn meant to be a thought provoking thread not an attack on anyone or bigotry etc but i know some will think it is haha views??? Correction… gender is a concept that gets formed early on in life, so if there’s some “disruptions” due to kids with gender dysphoria, we usually experience this from as early as 4 years old. That’s to do with the brain that isn’t aligning with the body we are originally born with. (Researching you can find that not only it’s a medical condition but they have done lots of studies where also kids with gender dysphoria had similar brain activities/activations as the kids of the gender they identify as) So gender is accepted because it’s valid. Like sexuality. You are or you aren’t. The Korean non binary person clearly got their 50 mins of fame as intended when pointing out some transracial issues and making them seem like transgender issues. (Sounded even not genuine) Also pretty sure you don’t wake up one day and wish to be a plant. Or been feeling like a plant all your life from when you are 4 yrs old.
All these things are incredibly worrying when it comes to then invalidating and making a joke of when it comes to gender identity and people who happened to be trans like myself
Exactly this, but I couldn't word it as well."Awww I hope my words translate well to what is in my mind and what I’m trying to say x | |||
"good debate so far thx everyone its been a good read
to be clear this isnt meant to be just a trans men or women thing its about freedom of expression in all things not just gender related
there was the famous case of that bird who identified as black and used tanning products to become black but really she was white and that was mostly frowned upon as in appropriate i will look up the case to get her name
its about where does the line start and end in you are what you identify as i think the best answer so far is one from early on they said something like right from a early age they felt in the wrong body unlike the korean example who just liked kpop so decided they wanted to be korean so is it what youve always felt yourself to be right from childhood rather than just a phase ???"Rachel dolezal is the name of that bird who identified as black this was widely slated as inappropriate so race is one of the no go areas in terms of you are what you identify as | |||
"good debate so far thx everyone its been a good read
to be clear this isnt meant to be just a trans men or women thing its about freedom of expression in all things not just gender related
there was the famous case of that bird who identified as black and used tanning products to become black but really she was white and that was mostly frowned upon as in appropriate i will look up the case to get her name
its about where does the line start and end in you are what you identify as i think the best answer so far is one from early on they said something like right from a early age they felt in the wrong body unlike the korean example who just liked kpop so decided they wanted to be korean so is it what youve always felt yourself to be right from childhood rather than just a phase ???
Rachel dolezal is the name of that bird who identified as black this was widely slated as inappropriate so race is one of the no go areas in terms of you are what you identify as "Yes I remember her and how much controversial she was. Personally I liked that she was forefronting for the black movement. But I don’t know her story too well. The only transracial issues are those experience by adopted kids who are raised by parents that aren’t from their race (think of the ugly duckling story with the little swans) So they grow up being brought up with, for example, a white value so when they grow older and realise that the race doesn’t match the one of the parents, they might wonder what they are. Not physically but In society as well. This is coming from someone who’s had a very white life , my dad was white but my mum has filipina/Latina genes in her. (But she never imposed her roots herself on me) I had moments where I didn’t feel white enough for my white peers, or filipina enough for my filipina cousins. They see me as white, while some of my white folks see me as non white. It’s strange
Personally I do see me more white than filipina. (Mostly to do with my upbringing) But I’m certainly a some sort of mixed x x
Either way I don’t really think about it who fucking cares | |||
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"Today I’m a butterfly Me too lol" Ive personally known some real pretty social butterflies… the most awful people on earth | |||
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"Today I’m a butterfly Me too lol Ive personally known some real pretty social butterflies… the most awful people on earth "Lol but not me i'm lovely | |||
