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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
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I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or. |
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Ronaldo without doubt , highest international goal scorer off all time , within touching distance of being the all time highest goal scorer , played in 3 top leagues, no one else is anywhere near him |
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His star only shone bright for a few years but Kaka mesmerized me growing up. The guy glided across the pitch so effortlessly and had insane acceleration.
If only injuries hadn't gotten to him  |
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"The original Ronaldo was epic. Similar ish story to Best in some ways. "
He was the best player I ever watched live. Before those knee injuries he was something else.
Even after the injuries he was great but my god what a player.
He also provided the best redemption story in world football |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or. "
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ? |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ? "
I think that question should be aimed at a few Miss Worlds!
In today’s game Best would be untouchable. |
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If George was good enough for the only other football God Pele he's good enough for me.
Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona all played when the game decided to be kiss chase except you fall over instead of being kissed. |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ? "
Yes because he'd have all the modern coaching, nutritional science and sports science available to today's players. |
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"I appreciate everyone’s point of view but unless you said Pele you are all wrong   "
Could Pele turn it on at Millwall in a milk cup game on a wet Wednesday in January..........? |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ?
Yes because he'd have all the modern coaching, nutritional science and sports science available to today's players. "
If they could help him, stop him and his drinking. |
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"If George was good enough for the only other football God Pele he's good enough for me.
Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona all played when the game decided to be kiss chase except you fall over instead of being kissed."
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or. "
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle! |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ?
Yes because he'd have all the modern coaching, nutritional science and sports science available to today's players.
If they could help him, stop him and his drinking. "
Agreed but his drinking and partying came because he was the first superstar footballer being chased by fans and the drinking was born of homesickness.
Modern players are better equipped to deal with the adulation he was not. There's a reason he was called el beatle |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ?
Yes because he'd have all the modern coaching, nutritional science and sports science available to today's players.
If they could help him, stop him and his drinking. "
I guess in a way though, his drinking mirrored the culture of the time and of the game. Maybe he wouldn't have had drinking issues with how strict clubs are on being fit. |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!"
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times. |
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"I appreciate everyone’s point of view but unless you said Pele you are all wrong
Could Pele turn it on at Millwall in a milk cup game on a wet Wednesday in January..........?"
Could anyone take on the German POW guards with a broken rib? Only Pele could do that |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!"
Genius is the path that few tread those that do are prone to the same extremes. |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times. "
True, but there are plenty of Ravel Morrison's etc nowadays who for one reason or another don't make the most of their talent. I think it's tougher nowadays to make it to the top, talent alone isn't enough |
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"I appreciate everyone’s point of view but unless you said Pele you are all wrong
Could Pele turn it on at Millwall in a milk cup game on a wet Wednesday in January..........?
Could anyone take on the German POW guards with a broken rib? Only Pele could do that "
I watched that film the other day! Made me realise Stallone is not and actor when Mike Sumerbee and John Wark we’re nominated for Oscars |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times.
True, but there are plenty of Ravel Morrison's etc nowadays who for one reason or another don't make the most of their talent. I think it's tougher nowadays to make it to the top, talent alone isn't enough"
Ravel Morrison was influenced by his upbringing and in the end SAF gave up. |
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"I appreciate everyone’s point of view but unless you said Pele you are all wrong
Could Pele turn it on at Millwall in a milk cup game on a wet Wednesday in January..........?
Could anyone take on the German POW guards with a broken rib? Only Pele could do that "
He counted that goal in his tally |
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"I appreciate everyone’s point of view but unless you said Pele you are all wrong
Could Pele turn it on at Millwall in a milk cup game on a wet Wednesday in January..........?
Could anyone take on the German POW guards with a broken rib? Only Pele could do that
He counted that goal in his tally "
And I may add he did it with half the Ipswich team and an actor in goals |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times.
True, but there are plenty of Ravel Morrison's etc nowadays who for one reason or another don't make the most of their talent. I think it's tougher nowadays to make it to the top, talent alone isn't enough"
You're not wrong, one only has to look at Cristiano Ronaldo. For all his talent it's his work ethic and determination that have taken him so far. |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times.
True, but there are plenty of Ravel Morrison's etc nowadays who for one reason or another don't make the most of their talent. I think it's tougher nowadays to make it to the top, talent alone isn't enough
You're not wrong, one only has to look at Cristiano Ronaldo. For all his talent it's his work ethic and determination that have taken him so far. "
100pc. Rooney was seen as the more gifted player within OT. |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
But would he have the fitness needed for the modern game ?
Yes because he'd have all the modern coaching, nutritional science and sports science available to today's players.
If they could help him, stop him and his drinking.
I guess in a way though, his drinking mirrored the culture of the time and of the game. Maybe he wouldn't have had drinking issues with how strict clubs are on being fit."
Yes it did but not all succumbed to it or whether he would have attained the fitness levels required today. It is something we will never know.
So many great players that were great in their time but would not necessarily be so in another generation of the sport. |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times.
True, but there are plenty of Ravel Morrison's etc nowadays who for one reason or another don't make the most of their talent. I think it's tougher nowadays to make it to the top, talent alone isn't enough
You're not wrong, one only has to look at Cristiano Ronaldo. For all his talent it's his work ethic and determination that have taken him so far. "
Completely agree, he's also been lucky with injuries |
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"It's impossible to compare across generations, the game changes so much
I often say this but with a caveat. Take a look at someone like Best on YouTube, he's breathtaking.
Now remember he played in an era where with heavier footballs, rough pitches, defenders set out to injure him and he was a functioning alcoholic for some of his career.
Now place him in today's game with lighter footballs, better pitches, protection from referees. Had he joined Manchester United during Fergie's tenure he would have been shielded from the limelight and his partying possibly curbed.
Ronaldo and Messi wouldn't be getting near a Balon D'or.
There's many hypotheticals. He certainly wouldn't have played at the top level for long nowadays with his lifestyle!
Agreed but one could hope he would have minders and a better support system in modern times.
True, but there are plenty of Ravel Morrison's etc nowadays who for one reason or another don't make the most of their talent. I think it's tougher nowadays to make it to the top, talent alone isn't enough
You're not wrong, one only has to look at Cristiano Ronaldo. For all his talent it's his work ethic and determination that have taken him so far. 100pc. Rooney was seen as the more gifted player within OT. "
He liked a crafty ciggie and a pint though. |
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Best was a sublime player but outside of UK and Ireland he's rarely mentioned as one of the absolute greats, not least because he effectively retired at 27. Players such as Garrincha or Zico or Di Stefano were at least Best's equal in talent but hardly mentioned in the UK.
The holy trinity is Maradonna, Messi and Pele, imho. |
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"Best was a sublime player but outside of UK and Ireland he's rarely mentioned as one of the absolute greats, not least because he effectively retired at 27. Players such as Garrincha or Zico or Di Stefano were at least Best's equal in talent but hardly mentioned in the UK.
The holy trinity is Maradonna, Messi and Pele, imho."
 Again I agree on your three. |
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"I appreciate everyone’s point of view but unless you said Pele you are all wrong
Could Pele turn it on at Millwall in a milk cup game on a wet Wednesday in January..........?
Could anyone take on the German POW guards with a broken rib? Only Pele could do that
He counted that goal in his tally
And I may add he did it with half the Ipswich team and an actor in goals "
Pele WAS tough...he really played in the kick ass days..when boots were boots! |
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"Best was a sublime player but outside of UK and Ireland he's rarely mentioned as one of the absolute greats, not least because he effectively retired at 27. Players such as Garrincha or Zico or Di Stefano were at least Best's equal in talent but hardly mentioned in the UK.
The holy trinity is Maradonna, Messi and Pele, imho. Again I agree on your three."
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I'd strongly recommend the film Maradonna which focusses on his peak years at Napoli. All the world's best players were in Italy then, the defenders were brilliant but brutal and Diego was still head and shoulders above the rest. |
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"Or even George Best...
For me .. Cristiano Ronaldo
two late goals again tonight..
the best in the world ever"
It's a different game to what it was when Pele, Best, Played football.
For me the best player there has ever been is Pele the skill, speed and awareness he had at that time in football was unbelievable.
But this is the thing about this question people will disagree with me.
In today's football for me it's Messi but I'm a Liverpool fan so that says it all |
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"Best was a sublime player but outside of UK and Ireland he's rarely mentioned as one of the absolute greats, not least because he effectively retired at 27. Players such as Garrincha or Zico or Di Stefano were at least Best's equal in talent but hardly mentioned in the UK.
The holy trinity is Maradonna, Messi and Pele, imho. Again I agree on your three.
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I'd strongly recommend the film Maradonna which focusses on his peak years at Napoli. All the world's best players were in Italy then, the defenders were brilliant but brutal and Diego was still head and shoulders above the rest."
Maradona was a genius player. He's the only player credited with such a big hand in winning a country a world cup. He took a highly unfancied Napoli to the scudetto.
What boggles my mind is that he basically partied from Monday to Thursday, trained hard on Friday and Saturday, played a match on Sunday and repeated.
Paolo Maldini said the two toughest opponents he faced were Maradona and Ronaldo (the Brazilian) |
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Diego maradona I’ve seen no other player control a ball like he could bearing in mind the era he played in when you could tackle imagine how good he’d be now with the protection flair players get now |
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"Ronaldinho xxwas a great player and deffo up there. He's one of my favourites just because he enjoyed himself.
Another lost to the party. 
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Yeah his peak was short lived. But for 2-3 years at Barca he was unstoppable, and the most gifted controller of the ball I've ever seen, Messi being second. His entertainment value was beyond all others too, even to this day xx |
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"Ronaldinho xxwas a great player and deffo up there. He's one of my favourites just because he enjoyed himself.
Another lost to the party.
Yeah his peak was short lived. But for 2-3 years at Barca he was unstoppable, and the most gifted controller of the ball I've ever seen, Messi being second. His entertainment value was beyond all others too, even to this day xx"
Agreed, I loved watching him play with that big grin. Now and again I watch highlight reels on YouTube of him and he was phenomenal |
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"Diego maradona I’ve seen no other player control a ball like he could bearing in mind the era he played in when you could tackle imagine how good he’d be now with the protection flair players get now "
for a few years he was unplayable and I have said maradona has been the best. But CR and LM every minute that they play in every game is live or at least on camera
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