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over a year ago
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal"
In what way do you mean? |
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal"
You're welcome to periods, pregnancy, endometriosis (for far too many), menopause and all that goes with being born a woman. |
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal"
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
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Yes, so far the OP has failed to mention what areas he feels require equalling out... |
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights "
What about Sue ? Does she have equality ? She doesn't seem to have met anyone yet. Your verifications only verify meeting a man. |
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"He’s the same one who wrote some offensive and nasty comments on a trans women thread…
Starting to see a pattern here of just dickwad behaviour..  "
I was just about to say wasn't he the nasty on on that thread  |
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights "
A hash tag will certainly make all the difference. After all its worked a treat putting an end to racism and the abuse of women. |
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"He’s the same one who wrote some offensive and nasty comments on a trans women thread…
Starting to see a pattern here of just dickwad behaviour..
I was just about to say wasn't he the nasty on on that thread "
YUP, that’s the one !  |
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"Not everything is rosy for men
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No, but in the big scheme of things, it's an awful lot easier being a guy.
Men are no longer expected to fit into specific macho roles, and are rarely discriminated against or judged purely on what they chose to wear that day. |
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"But you all let him get to you and you give him oxygen and attention which he lacks irl "
Nah, he didn't get to me mate. But I thought it would be interesting to see if he had the balls to reply.
Obviously not it would seem.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't know what a troll is looks like unless you agree with everyone else your not allowed a view no free speech means no equal rights "
Ok then mate, why don't you answer the questions about your new group. Show willing and I will apologise for calling you a troll. |
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
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I do not agree with the bit about child care to be honest. This is somthing that is already in place and Many men share the the impact / burden of having a child ( I prefer to call it the privilege ). I also do not agree it’s expected the women in a relationship is called every time as it’s expected. This here is almost as bad as the OPs post |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3"
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who remembers the days when men used to be men......
Mmmm. Men  
Oh hell yes
Nice arse 
Back at you sexy "
lol. You’re reading the fellas with position changes |
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
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Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
I do not agree with the bit about child care to be honest. This is somthing that is already in place and Many men share the the impact / burden of having a child ( I prefer to call it the privilege ). I also do not agree it’s expected the women in a relationship is called every time as it’s expected. This here is almost as bad as the OPs post "
I agree with you tbf - I know men who share the role equally and its improving since I had my first child nearly 18 years ago. However the number of men who don't pay maintenance isn't changing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
I do not agree with the bit about child care to be honest. This is somthing that is already in place and Many men share the the impact / burden of having a child ( I prefer to call it the privilege ). I also do not agree it’s expected the women in a relationship is called every time as it’s expected. This here is almost as bad as the OPs post
I agree with you tbf - I know men who share the role equally and its improving since I had my first child nearly 18 years ago. However the number of men who don't pay maintenance isn't changing. "
I was told by the csa that women very rarely pay maintenance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
I do not agree with the bit about child care to be honest. This is somthing that is already in place and Many men share the the impact / burden of having a child ( I prefer to call it the privilege ). I also do not agree it’s expected the women in a relationship is called every time as it’s expected. This here is almost as bad as the OPs post
I agree with you tbf - I know men who share the role equally and its improving since I had my first child nearly 18 years ago. However the number of men who don't pay maintenance isn't changing.
I was told by the csa that women very rarely pay maintenance. "
That's true. Women largely don't pay maintenance because they will have their kids the majority of the time. Men however, owe millions of unpaid maintenance. The Child Maintenance Service did have some stats I think. |
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There are of course unfair inequalities on both sides (if that makes sense), there are men who would love to be a part of their kids lives but are prevented from it. You only have to see some of the above posts to see some of the conscious / uncon*cious bias. On both sides. It may be a frivolous post but there is a sensible discussion to be had. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
I do not agree with the bit about child care to be honest. This is somthing that is already in place and Many men share the the impact / burden of having a child ( I prefer to call it the privilege ). I also do not agree it’s expected the women in a relationship is called every time as it’s expected. This here is almost as bad as the OPs post
I agree with you tbf - I know men who share the role equally and its improving since I had my first child nearly 18 years ago. However the number of men who don't pay maintenance isn't changing.
I was told by the csa that women very rarely pay maintenance.
That's true. Women largely don't pay maintenance because they will have their kids the majority of the time. Men however, owe millions of unpaid maintenance. The Child Maintenance Service did have some stats I think. "
That’s not what I meant:
When women are the estranged parent they very rarely pay the maintenance due. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights "
Men have had it incredibly hard over the years, the suffragette movement was a terribly inconvenience to them, stay strong buddy, hopefully men will someday be able to run the country and get those high powered jobs that they’ve been denied for so long. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Really hope this is a joke, otherwise everyone else on here is going to rip you a new oneso you think men have the same rights as women all I'm saying is men want to be equal
What parts of life do you wish to be equal in?
Are you willing to take a pay drop so that men are equal to women?
Are you willing to give up your ability to go out for a walk at midnight/2am without feeling scared?
Are you willing to take a year (minimum) to take care of your child and be the person that is called every damn time something goes wrong, because its 'expected'?
Have a quick think, then maybe come back to us.
I do not agree with the bit about child care to be honest. This is somthing that is already in place and Many men share the the impact / burden of having a child ( I prefer to call it the privilege ). I also do not agree it’s expected the women in a relationship is called every time as it’s expected. This here is almost as bad as the OPs post
I agree with you tbf - I know men who share the role equally and its improving since I had my first child nearly 18 years ago. However the number of men who don't pay maintenance isn't changing.
I was told by the csa that women very rarely pay maintenance.
That's true. Women largely don't pay maintenance because they will have their kids the majority of the time. Men however, owe millions of unpaid maintenance. The Child Maintenance Service did have some stats I think.
That’s not what I meant:
When women are the estranged parent they very rarely pay the maintenance due. "
I haven't seen that but it would be just as sad and deplorable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet. "
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.  |
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights "
I think you should be careful how you express this. I do agree with you that there are some areas where the treatment of men is worse than women (for example genital mutilation is rightly illegal on girls but boys are seen as fair game; men's access to their children in divorces; only men are ever conscripted to fight wars). But never lose site of the inequality men have put upon women for centuries. You should still acknowledge that. |
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"Troll ? What are you taking about let's all agree with you then your the expert"
To be fair, they've provided much more information than you gave. Is this something you truly believe in or just stirring the pot? |
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"Beautifully debated. Bravo. I do not spend all my time on here which looks to be what you do maybe you need to find a life"
Aren't you pleasant 
Despite your inflammatory OP, the discussion has been quite intelligent and though provoking from many. |
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"Beautifully debated. Bravo. I do not spend all my time on here which looks to be what you do maybe you need to find a life"
Someone stands up to you, so you put them down as a response? |
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"Beautifully debated. Bravo. I do not spend all my time on here which looks to be what you do maybe you need to find a life
Aren't you pleasant
Despite your inflammatory OP, the discussion has been quite intelligent and though provoking from many. "
sorry don't understand in what way have I been inflammatory why are people offending me |
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"https://victimfocusblog.com/2021/08/29/37-questions-to-prove-that-systemic-misandry-doesnt-exist-anywhere-in-the-world/
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Excellent.
OP, can I suggest that you give this a read?
If you are genuinely as baffled by the responses as you claim, this will explain all  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Beautifully debated. Bravo. I do not spend all my time on here which looks to be what you do maybe you need to find a life"
I politely asked you questions challenging your statements. Your response is to tell me to get a life and then cry about being picked on. But of course you're not stirring the pot. |
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"There are of course unfair inequalities on both sides (if that makes sense), there are men who would love to be a part of their kids lives but are prevented from it. You only have to see some of the above posts to see some of the conscious / uncon*cious bias. On both sides. It may be a frivolous post but there is a sensible discussion to be had. "
This. It's interesting to note how some people take sides automatically and become instantly aggressive or dismissive towards the other side. There's no doubt that women suffer some horrendous issues but men do too. Single men are the last to get housed and form the vast majority of the homeless, they die earlier too, are far more likely to get murdered or kill themselves and there are very few services dedicated specifically to their needs. How about we just accept that both sexes face significant, if different, societal unfairnesses and negative stereotypes and try to deal with them rather than play gender Top Trumps? |
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"There are of course unfair inequalities on both sides (if that makes sense), there are men who would love to be a part of their kids lives but are prevented from it. You only have to see some of the above posts to see some of the conscious / uncon*cious bias. On both sides. It may be a frivolous post but there is a sensible discussion to be had.
This. It's interesting to note how some people take sides automatically and become instantly aggressive or dismissive towards the other side. There's no doubt that women suffer some horrendous issues but men do too. Single men are the last to get housed and form the vast majority of the homeless, they die earlier too, are far more likely to get murdered or kill themselves and there are very few services dedicated specifically to their needs. How about we just accept that both sexes face significant, if different, societal unfairnesses and negative stereotypes and try to deal with them rather than play gender Top Trumps? "
I worked for many years in homelessness. Men are more likely to become street homeless but the opportunities for rehousing single women in suitable accommodation, is actually lower.
I agree that there are inequalities for both sexes. However, overall the scales are heavily weighted towards men. Especially on a global scale. |
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"There are of course unfair inequalities on both sides (if that makes sense), there are men who would love to be a part of their kids lives but are prevented from it. You only have to see some of the above posts to see some of the conscious / uncon*cious bias. On both sides. It may be a frivolous post but there is a sensible discussion to be had.
This. It's interesting to note how some people take sides automatically and become instantly aggressive or dismissive towards the other side. There's no doubt that women suffer some horrendous issues but men do too. Single men are the last to get housed and form the vast majority of the homeless, they die earlier too, are far more likely to get murdered or kill themselves and there are very few services dedicated specifically to their needs. How about we just accept that both sexes face significant, if different, societal unfairnesses and negative stereotypes and try to deal with them rather than play gender Top Trumps? "
thanks now we are getting somewhere with this |
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well. "
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.) |
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)"
In the UK, we are incredibly lucky that equal opportunities and rights are there, even if getting to true equality is still some way off.
However, in far too much of the world, women are second class citizens at best and possessions at worst. |
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By *igmaMan
over a year ago
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights
I'm starting one called , 'One Additionally' so that I don't have to stand by the poor people when I protest."
I have one called ‘misanthropes unite’ |
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights
I'm starting one called , 'One Additionally' so that I don't have to stand by the poor people when I protest.
I have one called ‘misanthropes unite’"
That's confuse the unsocial bastards somewhat - What What ? |
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)"
The OP mentioned leniency in sentencing - I agree that there is nuance in that area and I was aware that what I posted wasn't clear cut. But then I am interested in a debate, not point scoring.
I think it is of deep concern that women who have murdered an intimate partner are so often given heavier sentences than men. And the media descriptions of such crimes are so often weighted towards men ("he was a nice guy" etc). |
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By *igmaMan
over a year ago
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights
I'm starting one called , 'One Additionally' so that I don't have to stand by the poor people when I protest.
I have one called ‘misanthropes unite’
That's confuse the unsocial bastards somewhat - What What ?"
It a collective un-gathering!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)
The OP mentioned leniency in sentencing - I agree that there is nuance in that area and I was aware that what I posted wasn't clear cut. But then I am interested in a debate, not point scoring.
I think it is of deep concern that women who have murdered an intimate partner are so often given heavier sentences than men. And the media descriptions of such crimes are so often weighted towards men ("he was a nice guy" etc). "
I didn't pick up on that intent, the joys of debating online. And I agree, any dissemination neither way is concerning as these are peoples lives being affected. |
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)
The OP mentioned leniency in sentencing - I agree that there is nuance in that area and I was aware that what I posted wasn't clear cut. But then I am interested in a debate, not point scoring.
I think it is of deep concern that women who have murdered an intimate partner are so often given heavier sentences than men. And the media descriptions of such crimes are so often weighted towards men ("he was a nice guy" etc). I didn't pick up on that intent, the joys of debating online. And I agree, any dissemination neither way is concerning as these are peoples lives being affected. "
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)
The OP mentioned leniency in sentencing - I agree that there is nuance in that area and I was aware that what I posted wasn't clear cut. But then I am interested in a debate, not point scoring.
I think it is of deep concern that women who have murdered an intimate partner are so often given heavier sentences than men. And the media descriptions of such crimes are so often weighted towards men ("he was a nice guy" etc). "
there has been many cases of women killing there partners due to abuse what kind of abuse not mentioned but no one deserves to be killed |
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)
The OP mentioned leniency in sentencing - I agree that there is nuance in that area and I was aware that what I posted wasn't clear cut. But then I am interested in a debate, not point scoring.
I think it is of deep concern that women who have murdered an intimate partner are so often given heavier sentences than men. And the media descriptions of such crimes are so often weighted towards men ("he was a nice guy" etc). there has been many cases of women killing there partners due to abuse what kind of abuse not mentioned but no one deserves to be killed "
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"Beautifully debated. Bravo. I do not spend all my time on here which looks to be what you do maybe you need to find a life
Shes new leave her alone "
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)
The OP mentioned leniency in sentencing - I agree that there is nuance in that area and I was aware that what I posted wasn't clear cut. But then I am interested in a debate, not point scoring.
I think it is of deep concern that women who have murdered an intimate partner are so often given heavier sentences than men. And the media descriptions of such crimes are so often weighted towards men ("he was a nice guy" etc). there has been many cases of women killing there partners due to abuse what kind of abuse not mentioned but no one deserves to be killed "
The "kind of abuse" is mentioned if you care to read about it - available in detail for every case brought to court in Western countries at least. A couple of examples. Makes difficult reading.
Valerie Bacot (France) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57609494
Sally Challen (UK)
https://news.sky.com/story/sally-challen-i-wish-i-could-turn-the-clock-back-11816779
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"I am thinking of starting a group called Me Also to help men regain equal rights
I'm starting one called , 'One Additionally' so that I don't have to stand by the poor people when I protest.
I have one called ‘misanthropes unite’
That's confuse the unsocial bastards somewhat - What What ?
It a collective un-gathering!!"
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"Men are not equal on subjects like child care , divorce rights , who do men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime that's just 3
How are men not equal on childcare? In what sense? And same for divorce rights - rights to what in a divorce? Be more specific please.
Pointing to research that women actually receive longer prison sentences for homicide in the US - https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown
And a paper analysing gender differences in sentencing https://crimsoc.hull.ac.uk/2020/06/18/gender-differences-and-sentencing/
Interesting reading.
I also note there's no response from the OP as yet.
Yes, still no response. Almost as though he was trolling. Ah, well.
I'm not trying to defend the OP here. But I've looked at the gender paper cited and it seems to point to many papers that show leniancy
"It's seems nuanced and not clear cut either way
It can be shown that a large body of work, in which I reviewed, shows a pattern that supports the idea that women are shown more leniency when it comes to sentencing. Yet are judged more harshly sometimes then men when other factors contribute that could break the traditional gender roles and traditional gender stereotypes such as committing violent crime, as opposed to non-violent crime."
(For clarity, I believe we have equal rights. But society still has different expectations which come through in some areas.)
In the UK, we are incredibly lucky that equal opportunities and rights are there, even if getting to true equality is still some way off.
However, in far too much of the world, women are second class citizens at best and possessions at worst."
I can't go into detail but it's sufficient to say that the individuals I deal with professionally remind me all the time how lucky I am to be female here in the UK and not elsewhere |
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