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"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it? The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries. So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me. I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. "  | |||
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"Twenty years for nothing? Hundreds of lives lost? Was it worth it? Fight or Flight. The President has scarpered. It's a mad mad world " While I don’t think we should have got involved twenty years ago. I don’t think it was for nothing. Unfortunately the lives of those on the ground are determined by political and power decisions many thousands of miles away. In the words of Edwin Starr ‘War! What is it good for?’ | |||
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"What would you do Tom?" What this guy said^ | |||
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"Good on the president and Boris for taking the soldiers back home where they belong. Let the afghans all fight each other like they have for 100’s if not 1000’s of years " Is that why the West went in ? Do you believe it was to stop Afghans fighting each other ? | |||
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"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it? The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries. So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me. I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. " It is /was not a question of attacking Pakistan....what people seem to forget is the we (the West) created these monsters. The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan during then Cold War resulted in the USA, Saudi Arabia throwing billions of dollars at the Muhjahideen(various warlords forming an unofficial group)...noone bated an eye lid. When the Russians withdrew in the late 80s, so the USA financial aid...effectively leaving the Mujahideen to fight it out which other for control. The Taliban is an offshoot of the Mujahideen. You want to attack/blame someone, then start with the US then work your way to Afghanistans neighbour's.. | |||
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"If you live long enough you realise that every military intervention into a sovereign nation is a prelude to a messy exit. It'll be different next time of course "It would be insane to think otherwise.  | |||
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"If you live long enough you realise that every military intervention into a sovereign nation is a prelude to a messy exit. It'll be different next time of course "Absolutely true. Just look at the USA! | |||
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"I think anyone who was involved knew the ANA would be able to stand up to a stuff breeze sadly. So whats happened isn't a surprise. I remember a.predeployment briefing where we were told 'Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'. " There's a reason it's called the graveyard of empires. | |||
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"Good on the president and Boris for taking the soldiers back home where they belong. Let the afghans all fight each other like they have for 100’s if not 1000’s of years " Tony Blair war criminal for involving us in this war | |||
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"I think anyone who was involved knew the ANA would be able to stand up to a stuff breeze sadly. So whats happened isn't a surprise. I remember a.predeployment briefing where we were told 'Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'. Well the USA seemed to have learned nothing from Vietnam " | |||
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"Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'." It’s not known as the graveyard of empires for nothing! The invasion of Afghanistan in 2091 was a poorly conceived knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. What was the goal, and exit strategy? Trump sold out the Afghan people, and the UK followed. Disgraceful behaviour. I feel for the families of those who gave their life for nothing. | |||
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"Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'. It’s not known as the graveyard of empires for nothing! The invasion of Afghanistan in 2091 was a poorly conceived knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. What was the goal, and exit strategy? Trump sold out the Afghan people, and the UK followed. Disgraceful behaviour. I feel for the families of those who gave their life for nothing." I've seen Hot Tub Time Machine and everything is fine in the end. | |||
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"It's a humanitarian disaster waiting to happen or actually happening now. The people must be terrified especially the women and anyone who assisted the Americans and UK force's." This. ^ E | |||
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"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life) Did the USA pick up the tab?" Oh Tom you aren’t that naive are you? Really. Where there is war there is profit. Else there is no need for war. Military contractors, weapons manufacturers, construction companies, raw materials producers and a thousand other companies have been “invested” in Afghanistan and although they do their best to avoid it, they pay taxes, their employees pay taxes. The only true cost of war is in lives lost. Money has been made. Oh the politicians will spin it, but Afghanistan had become “unprofitable” after 20 years of “milking”. | |||
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"And for those that think that Afghanistan is Afghanistan’s problem. Think again. If you ostracise the Taliban from the international table, restrict aid and sanction them, they will do as they did, provide safe haven to groups that will pay for the “security” of a pariah state. Only this time they have an airforce, and tanks, and artillery. All of which can and will be repurposed, mines, guns, SAMs, equipment born of billions of dollars worth of military aid by the US, UK and Russia. And if you think they won’t be able to fly those planes and helicopters, utilise the tanks and advanced weaponry, think again. Iran will train them, mercenaries will train them. This “withdrawal”is an absolute disaster for the people of Afghanistan, for the people of the region and the world. Note we didn’t “leave” Germany until 1991, that’s how long it took the international community to judge the country stable enough to do so, just shy of 50 years. " I fear you are right. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over." Please don't nuke people I knew and liked. They don't want to be held in sl@very and they don't want to die a horrific death. Please don't advocate for killing thousands of innocent people who are no more to blame for this than you are at fault for what your government did (or did not) do. The answer to why talks fail (in your first paragraph) is because many people hold violent views (as in your second paragraph). Gbat | |||
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"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life) Did the USA pick up the tab?" No idea what it cost the UK tax payers, but all the tax I’ll ever pay in my lifetime went towards a Tornado used in the first gulf war, which was lost in combat, 31 years ago (to give context to your tax and government spending). The US is reported to have spent 1.5 trillion dollars on the Afghan adventure. There is always money for governments to take lives, but it’s less readily available to save lives. | |||
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"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life) Did the USA pick up the tab? No idea what it cost the UK tax payers, but all the tax I’ll ever pay in my lifetime went towards a Tornado used in the first gulf war, which was lost in combat, 31 years ago (to give context to your tax and government spending). The US is reported to have spent 1.5 trillion dollars on the Afghan adventure. There is always money for governments to take lives, but it’s less readily available to save lives." But they will always present war to us as a life saving exercise | |||
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"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life) Did the USA pick up the tab? No idea what it cost the UK tax payers, but all the tax I’ll ever pay in my lifetime went towards a Tornado used in the first gulf war, which was lost in combat, 31 years ago (to give context to your tax and government spending). The US is reported to have spent 1.5 trillion dollars on the Afghan adventure. There is always money for governments to take lives, but it’s less readily available to save lives." Yep. Or to pay for the aftercare of the boys and girls who are often missing parts of themselves when they return. | |||
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"Note we didn’t “leave” Germany until 1991, that’s how long it took the international community to judge the country stable enough to do so, just shy of 50 years. " We left Germany because the USSR imploded after the wall fell and there was no longer an ‘enemy’ for NATO to face down, and we realised we could save money to boot. | |||
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"Just in the news a few people have fallen off that US military plane that took off. Things must be really bad if they think they can hold onto a plane until it lands. " It is unbearable to imagine how they felt when they attempted this - I guess not all that different from people in sinking boats trying to reach a safe coastline. | |||
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"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life) Did the USA pick up the tab? Oh Tom you aren’t that naive are you? Really. Where there is war there is profit. Else there is no need for war. Military contractors, weapons manufacturers, construction companies, raw materials producers and a thousand other companies have been “invested” in Afghanistan and although they do their best to avoid it, they pay taxes, their employees pay taxes. The only true cost of war is in lives lost. Money has been made. Oh the politicians will spin it, but Afghanistan had become “unprofitable” after 20 years of “milking”. " Food for thought indeed.. | |||
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"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it? The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries. So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me. I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. "Exactly , it’s no secret who owns hundreds of properties just inside the border. But things are very different now in 2021 , threats to the uk and America are more home grown , training camps aren’t a big problem anymore and taleban and America are besties again. | |||
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"Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th. " So far. In my opinion, the Taliban are waiting for the Westerners to beat it and for our fickle news types to stop reporting and then they'll revert to type. | |||
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"Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th. So far. In my opinion, the Taliban are waiting for the Westerners to beat it and for our fickle news types to stop reporting and then they'll revert to type. " They already have, it's just not in the media, yet. They have got much better at global PR over the past 20 years. | |||
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"Will be a news blackout soon and they will report what they want to report. Can see Pakistan joining them and supplying them with military training and weapons. Going to be a dark winter." Pakistan have been supporting the Taliban for years and the coalition forces have left enough hardware in the hasty retreat to give them a decent headstart. | |||
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"Pakistan will always support there brothers of faith, why wouldn't they." The recently deposed government were of the same majority faith as Pakistan. They don’t seem to have supported them so much, have they? The government was actually called “Government of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.” Gbat | |||
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"Pakistan will always support there brothers of faith, why wouldn't they. The recently deposed government were of the same majority faith as Pakistan. They don’t seem to have supported them so much, have they? The government was actually called “Government of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.” Gbat " For an anarchical society / country government has no meaning. | |||
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"Will be a news blackout soon and they will report what they want to report. Can see Pakistan joining them and supplying them with military training and weapons. Going to be a dark winter." They don't need military training, they have done fine without it and the US gave enough equipment for a 300,000 strong Afghan army, and air force. Who do you think has all that equipment now? | |||
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"For an anarchical society / country government has no meaning." Perhaps, but how does that apply to the Afghanistan we've been talking about? I don't get your point. Gbat | |||
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"For an anarchical society / country government has no meaning. Perhaps, but how does that apply to the Afghanistan we've been talking about? I don't get your point. Gbat" You are not on your own buddy, but what I dare to say will be the lack of support for covid vaccines in the country, now the war on terror has vanished. | |||
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"It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now? " The Indian military could batter the Taliban all over in open warfare. They'll be more concerned about China. | |||
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"It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now? The Indian military could batter the Taliban all over in open warfare. They'll be more concerned about China." What's China got to do with it | |||
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"It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now? The Indian military could batter the Taliban all over in open warfare. They'll be more concerned about China. What's China got to do with it " China had border scuffles with India last year, several were killed on both sides when they engaged in hand to hand combat in the mountains. China is also very much cosying up with the Taliban at the moment as they'll have their eyes on strip mining afghanistan for its resources much like they have been in Africa in recent years, it's been in the news this week. The taliban will be generously rewarded financially as long as they leave China to mine what it wants. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over." They should have nuked the place to start with You can't beat fanatics British force go out with the heart and minds game play A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win All they know is war and fear | |||
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"Just saw on the news since the Taliban took over a woman lost her job as a news reporter and now only men report for the chanel and her family in the UK fear she will be killed. " She knew that women are worth nothing in afgan yet she stayed The won't just killer she have a few hours of torcher then have her head cut off if she is lucky | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. They should have nuked the place to start with You can't beat fanatics British force go out with the heart and minds game play A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win All they know is war and fear " Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. They should have nuked the place to start with You can't beat fanatics British force go out with the heart and minds game play A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win All they know is war and fear Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name " It's the only way you will ever stop the fighting in that place The two types of people out in afgan The Taliban and fear of the taliban You cant win Been there it's a shit hole save others going to a place that can not have peace or freedom | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. They should have nuked the place to start with You can't beat fanatics British force go out with the heart and minds game play A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win All they know is war and fear Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name " What right have we to nuke another country? Oh! I forgot briefly, this is Fab where the answer to that question is. "Because we can" Q.E.D. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. They should have nuked the place to start with You can't beat fanatics British force go out with the heart and minds game play A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win All they know is war and fear Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name What right have we to nuke another country? Oh! I forgot briefly, this is Fab where the answer to that question is. "Because we can" Q.E.D. "I agree with you - we have no right to nuke anybody. And while I share the frustration felt by people (I really do more than I can express on here!) I have no solution. It all sounds easy from an armchair position but I believe it is rather different in reality and on the ground. People who tried to get away by clinging on to an aircraft - as I said earlier , is no different from people getting into a vessel not seaworthy and risking life and limb. The difference? You have a better chance of survival in the dinghy. | |||
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"The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan. We gave therm hope of a better life and then we took it away. The people there will suffer now, many with their lives and we could've at least allowed them to leave in a safe and orderly manner. But no, we deny the best and brightest Afghanistan has to offer visas to study on a programme they have already qualified for because we don't want to give the impression Britain will welcome refugees. We are an absolute disgrace, we have created a humanitarian disaster and will then moan about people fleeing for their lives wanting to come to a country that has promised to help them. We can spend £110 million on a Typhoon fighter jet but living up to oour humanitarianb responsibilities is too expensive. Shame on us. " This, I share the sentiment. | |||
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"I am bemused by people wanting to bomb Afghanistan with nuclear weapons. " They think it won't affect them so they don't care. | |||
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"The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan. How have we We spent years putting roads new buildings what do they do blow them up. We trained the afgan army what did they do give up We pushed the Taliban out what did the people do let them live in there homes You can't save people that don't want to be saved They will start to attack the rest of the world soon countless people will be hurt or killed You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder Before you say who's Been betrayed " These people worked with us and for us and we are leaving them to die, that is betrayal. | |||
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"All the British soldiers lived lost for what ! " Everyone wants ‘Stan because it’s at a critical juncture between a number of hotspots. And opium. | |||
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"You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder Before you say who's Been betrayed " I spent 15 months there over 2011 and 2012. Just so you are aware, we didn’t go there just to help Afghans. We went there as it suited our strategic aim as a nation. The fact that we were helping lots of Afghan people was a lucky spin off for them. The UK sent people because it suited the UK to do so. Gbat | |||
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"I am bemused by people wanting to bomb Afghanistan with nuclear weapons. It will destroy everyone within its range. Taliban, anti Taliban, innocent children, aid workers, people in hospitals, crops, livestock, infrastructure. It will poison a huge swath of our planet, perhaps way beyond the borders of Afghanistan. Those that survive will probably have a desperate hatred of the nuclear bombers and will stop at nothing to get revenge in what is left of their poisoned lives. They won’t care if you personally supported the nuke, you are now their object of revenge anyway. What would be the long term strategic aim of doing so? And if you are prepared to support such a vile action, why don’t you go and fight the Taliban yourself? Shameful! Gbat. " Absolutely well said!! some folk just can’t be educated | |||
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"It is /was not a question of attacking Pakistan....what people seem to forget is the we (the West) created these monsters. The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan during then Cold War resulted in the USA, Saudi Arabia throwing billions of dollars at the Muhjahideen(various warlords forming an unofficial group)...noone bated an eye lid. When the Russians withdrew in the late 80s, so the USA financial aid...effectively leaving the Mujahideen to fight it out which other for control. The Taliban is an offshoot of the Mujahideen. You want to attack/blame someone, then start with the US then work your way to Afghanistans neighbour's.. " We have all seen the old james bond and rambo films, we all know the Taliban were originally funded by the CIA, we even know that while they were funded by the CIA they were selling heroin into europe. Remember bond even hid in a heron shipment, but they were good lads. The simple fact is, that was a long long time ago. Russia lost because they couldnt clear the caves. They have since come up with thermobaric bombs that USA used to clear out the caves. Russia have the most powerful ones in the world, some are as powerful as nuclear bombs and they can freely and openly drop them on the afghan mountains tomorrow if they want. USA was not there to defeat the taliban. They had a list of names they had to kill. To get some of them they would have to go into afghanistan, hit the mountains, clear them out, and kill the names. They used russian bomb technology to do this very easily. They then ran missions across to pakistan to clear up the last few names and it was mission over for them. The simple fact is as I said, if you want to beat the taliban today, then it does not matter who set them up or started them or what they were doing 60 years ago. Their tactic today is to run into Pakistan and be hidden by pakistan. You have two options to combat this. 1 go into pakistan and cut their throats on pakistan soil. We know USA can do this. But there is a tactically better and more profitable solution that was developed by an Irish guy for the hasburg family to keep the ottomans/turks out of Europe. What he did was he went to belgrade, he built the largest stockpile of gunpowder on the planet, brought in the biggest cannons, and drew a line in the sand. Anything crosses this line, start shooting the cannons and dont stop, before you run out of gunpowder the army will arrive behind you with more gunpowder and soldiers. The modern day solution would be "If something crosses the border from pakistan, flatten it. By the time dust settles US/UK controlled drone will be over the site, and our controlled missile base will be locking on" Then you train them to call in drone backup, and you charge them a few hundred million a year for it, and remove all boots. Its not like the taliban were given secret cia mind tricks and can survive anything, its simply that the US army was not interested in ending them, just crossing certain names off a list, and we know this cause they openly let the ones they didnt have a list cross into pakistan, and even did deals with others not on their list. | |||
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"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it? The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries. So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me. I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. " With regards to the French your confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. French troops took part in operations in Afghanistan. They didn't take part in the invasion of Iraq. | |||
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"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life) Did the USA pick up the tab? Oh Tom you aren’t that naive are you? Really. Where there is war there is profit. Else there is no need for war. Military contractors, weapons manufacturers, construction companies, raw materials producers and a thousand other companies have been “invested” in Afghanistan and although they do their best to avoid it, they pay taxes, their employees pay taxes. The only true cost of war is in lives lost. Money has been made. Oh the politicians will spin it, but Afghanistan had become “unprofitable” after 20 years of “milking”. " This is absolutely correct!! | |||
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"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next? "Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long. | |||
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"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?
Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long. "The US has kept the West free from communism and totalitarianism for decades. If it want for them we’d be living (possibly) under a Nazi or soviet yoke whilst the pacific would be a bloodbath courtesy of Imperial Japan. | |||
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"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?
Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long.
The US has kept the West free from communism and totalitarianism for decades. If it want for them we’d be living (possibly) under a Nazi or soviet yoke whilst the pacific would be a bloodbath courtesy of Imperial Japan."True, but probably a tad persuaded by the influence they can cast also. They wouldn’t do nothing if they didn’t get something out of it… the America’s is a large island, they wouldn’t have to worry about Nazis invading. They are naturally a war hungry nation, that goes for the people as well. Just take a look at the gun possession of its inhabitants… they all want to be Rambo. | |||
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"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?
Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long.
The US has kept the West free from communism and totalitarianism for decades. If it want for them we’d be living (possibly) under a Nazi or soviet yoke whilst the pacific would be a bloodbath courtesy of Imperial Japan."I can't deny America's involvement in world war 2 helped turn the tide but until Pearl harbour they had an isolationist policy. They were happy enough to ignore the war in Europe except where selling and lend leasing arms to the allies was turning a profit. After world war 2 their foreign policy changed in the face of the red menace. They just couldn't let Russia become the dominant world power. They fought many a proxy war against communism and helped oust many a government that was socialist or communist leaning. They also supported dictatorships as long as they were pro America. | |||
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"Where are the women and children? The women and children would be the last thing to go Males first Male children Live stock if they could Then women You could buy women for a sack of corn and a cow Out in afgan women are objects property they have no real value " | |||
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"The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan. How have we We spent years putting roads new buildings what do they do blow them up. We trained the afgan army what did they do give up We pushed the Taliban out what did the people do let them live in there homes You can't save people that don't want to be saved They will start to attack the rest of the world soon countless people will be hurt or killed You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder Before you say who's Been betrayed " Good points there. It seems to be a lost cause. | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......" Well I for one feel sorry about the way women are treated | |||
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"Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th. So far. In my opinion, the Taliban are waiting for the Westerners to beat it and for our fickle news types to stop reporting and then they'll revert to type. They already have, it's just not in the media, yet. They have got much better at global PR over the past 20 years." Have you seen how scared the News reporter looks from there ! It is most likely A death sentence to speak the truth | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......" Some say humanitarian, some say to keep democracy, some say poppy fields. | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......" Human decency. | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......" Yes, I lived there and had friends there. Even if I didn’t, doesn’t it tug at your heartstrings to see other humans suffering? Gbat | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......" What a heartless thing to say. Are you not concerned about humans suffering ? | |||
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"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it? The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries. So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me. I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. With regards to the French your confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. French troops took part in operations in Afghanistan. They didn't take part in the invasion of Iraq. The French were in Iraq the first gulf war They also did convoy protection in Iraq I was attached to them " | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......" Imagine your 12 year old daughters name has been added to the local leaders list of eligible females to be married off... Now imagine her being r*ped , bred, beaten for imagined wrongs, denied education, denied a voice.... Denied any rights... Not even able to leave her 'home' unless accompanied by a man.. And at the mercy of men for the rest of her life There are many reasons why you SHOULD care... We forget how privileged we are to choose how we live My heart breaks for all people of Afghanistan and for all that is to come I hope we take the promised 20k refugees | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over." Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. | |||
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"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan...... Imagine your 12 year old daughters name has been added to the local leaders list of eligible females to be married off... Now imagine her being r*ped , bred, beaten for imagined wrongs, denied education, denied a voice.... Denied any rights... Not even able to leave her 'home' unless accompanied by a man. . And at the mercy of men for the rest of her life War brides.kill lists its allready happening. Media only telling you what they want you to hear.i know ive been there There are many reasons why you SHOULD care... We forget how privileged we are to choose how we live My heart breaks for all people of Afghanistan and for all that is to come I hope we take the promised 20k refugees " | |||
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"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand." Why do UK men understand what UK women don't understand? Gbat | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. " Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". | |||
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"Taliban Press Conference with Zabihulla Mujahid seems OK, time will tell if what they are guaranteeing is held firm. The proviso "Within Islamic law" is where things could go a bit wild. " It absolutely won’t. They’re playing it safe because they don’t want to cause a fuss and have military forces turn around Once the media finds another story to cover then the beheadings will start. It’s going to be very nasty | |||
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"I don’t know how they thought they could achieve what the Russians could not, whilst fighting against forces they were previously funding, at least in the form of the mujahadeen. " This. They certainly weren't considering the subjugation of women, when they were hunting for Al Quaida. Its a humanitarian disaster. | |||
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"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand. They have a voice they have a right to say how they feel The can say no They don't have to have kids if they don't want to They can have a job of power or voice In afgan The women would love to be you To have just one choice would be nice " Irrespective of the context of this thread, you do not need to be in the same situation as somebody else to be able to understand what they feel. It is called empathy. | |||
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"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand. Why do UK men understand what UK women don't understand? Gbat " I think it was just a crude attempt /comparison to indicate that UK women have rights vs afgan women, who especially under the new rule, will have zero rights... Rather than UK women don't understand but UK men do. Does it make sense? | |||
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"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand. Why do UK men understand what UK women don't understand? Gbat I think it was just a crude attempt /comparison to indicate that UK women have rights vs afgan women, who especially under the new rule, will have zero rights... Rather than UK women don't understand but UK men do. Does it make sense? " This, I believe | |||
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"It's simple, if you don't like the Taliban you'll have to join the Taliban. Change comes from within. "Ignore them. Just block and move on | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it"." The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. " Wouldn't a nuke wipe the whole country out and many of the people who we have been fighting for  | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. " Threatening a country with a nuclear warhead, a country without nuclear arms to boot may just cause an international incident. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. " Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. " Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.  | |||
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"All we can hope is the Taliban are true to their word want to negotiate and turn over a new leaf " It sounds like a wonderful idea but tbh I cannot see it happen. It is not in their conceptual world of what Afghanistan should look like, how women should be and be treated. I really fear they may have mastered the art of deception. | |||
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"Has anyone actually asked the taliban nicely to stop? We’re so quick to point fingers these days." Darn it, why didn't they think of that? Oh yes, its cos they were too busy on holiday! | |||
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"The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades. "What an appalling mindset you have. You are literally advocating destroying tens of thousands of lives because you think the people you kill would prefer that than living. I take it you won’t be volunteering to go fight any of these people, you just want somebody else to murder them for you? This is all so sad. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades. "I also agree that basically having no rights is worse than being literally evaporated by a nuclear bomb I also don’t think we should ask them which they’d prefer, as they have no rights anyways, and instead we should just evaporate them | |||
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"The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
What an appalling mindset you have.
You are literally advocating destroying tens of thousands of lives because you think the people you kill would prefer that than living.
I take it you won’t be volunteering to go fight any of these people, you just want somebody else to murder them for you?
This is all so sad. "It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here. | |||
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"The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
What an appalling mindset you have.
You are literally advocating destroying tens of thousands of lives because you think the people you kill would prefer that than living.
I take it you won’t be volunteering to go fight any of these people, you just want somebody else to murder them for you?
This is all so sad.
It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here. "Having served there and worked there it angers me for people to say shit like we should just nuke em… most of those fighters that killed ours and other nations friends and brothers/sisters were from other nations that went there to fight us. Should we nuke all the Middle East then? The average Afghan National just wants to grow his crops… sell them at the market and provide for there family. And they’re as scared of the new Taliban as much as the old one… If you sit down and actually communicate with any average Afghan you’ll find that they aren’t scum. They’re trying to make the best life possible for them. After 20 years of us trying to make a democracy I’m hoping that the young girls that have become educated and doing jobs like doctors, nurses and teaching will Show the next generation what can be achieved if they push for change. Do I think the new Taliban will allow it… maybe in time… but not until they’ve imposed their power. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades. "You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime.. It's an immoral outlook.. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..
It's an immoral outlook.."Umm I don’t think you read the post you absolutely can
It’s an ironic post isn’t it
“These people barely have any rights so I think we should nuke them”
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..
It's an immoral outlook.."It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here. We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship If that is to be human and free then I don't want it They are in the same category as hittler Japanese wwII Wipe them out | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..
It's an immoral outlook..
It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.
We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship
If that is to be human and free then I don't want it
They are in the same category as hittler
Japanese wwII
Wipe them out
"That would potentially mean killing thousands of innocent people like you and me, our families and friends. It would have meant "nuking" Germany in WW2 - thankfully the allies did not do that. While I hear and acknowledge that the system in Afghanistan is very immoral and oppressive, the solution surely cannot be to kill so many innocent people. It is immoral, inhumane and would also just cause a new culture of terrorism. | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..
It's an immoral outlook..
It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.
We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship
If that is to be human and free then I don't want it
They are in the same category as hittler
Japanese wwII
Wipe them out
That would potentially mean killing thousands of innocent people like you and me, our families and friends. It would have meant "nuking" Germany in WW2 - thankfully the allies did not do that.
While I hear and acknowledge that the system in Afghanistan is very immoral and oppressive, the solution surely cannot be to kill so many innocent people. It is immoral, inhumane and would also just cause a new culture of terrorism. "I think you will find they did use a nuke in wwII on Japan They called a atomic And killing a few million is better than having a few billion waiting to see what they attack next | |||
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"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults? If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over. Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it". The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say. If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution. Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice.. Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights. It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban. Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force. These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation. Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure. The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.
You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..
It's an immoral outlook..
It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.
We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship
If that is to be human and free then I don't want it
They are in the same category as hittler
Japanese wwII
Wipe them out
That would potentially mean killing thousands of innocent people like you and me, our families and friends. It would have meant "nuking" Germany in WW2 - thankfully the allies did not do that.
While I hear and acknowledge that the system in Afghanistan is very immoral and oppressive, the solution surely cannot be to kill so many innocent people. It is immoral, inhumane and would also just cause a new culture of terrorism.
I think you will find they did use a nuke in wwII on Japan
They called a atomic
And killing a few million is better than having a few billion waiting to see what they attack next
"I was specifically talking about Germany in WW2 - sure they did in Japan and it was awful. I do not believe you can make this about numbers - a few million versus a few billion, it is just inhumane and immoral. Also, seriously now, would you be out there in the battle? I think these theories of "nuking them" sound like an armchair solution. If you speak to real soldiers (and I have done as I have worked with them) there is a very different picture altogether. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!" Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump? Gbat | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump? Gbat " They withdrew on Biden orders. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump? Gbat They withdrew on Biden orders. " Well, yeah. He's commander in chief now, but Trump was always banging on about "bringing US troops home" and "ending costly and ineffective wars overseas". Surely these decisions weren't made recently? | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!" Trump publicly announced the withdrawal and it's date so Biden wouldn't be able to keep troops there. Whether Biden agrees with the withdrawal or not is a moot point, don't try and say it was his idea and Trump wouldn'ty have done it. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump? Gbat " I was thinking that - maybe there is more than one... heaven forbid. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Trump publicly announced the withdrawal and it's date so Biden wouldn't be able to keep troops there. Whether Biden agrees with the withdrawal or not is a moot point, don't try and say it was his idea and Trump wouldn'ty have done it." Exactly - sometimes wonder whether people have forgotten all the stuff he is responsible for. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump? Gbat They withdrew on Biden orders. Well, yeah. He's commander in chief now, but Trump was always banging on about "bringing US troops home" and "ending costly and ineffective wars overseas". Surely these decisions weren't made recently? " Yes, have to agree. In the end they are just figureheads. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Trump publicly announced the withdrawal and it's date so Biden wouldn't be able to keep troops there. Whether Biden agrees with the withdrawal or not is a moot point, don't try and say it was his idea and Trump wouldn'ty have done it." Obama announced the start of the drawdown in 2011. They all would have done it. How it has actually happened has left a power vaccuum that was only ever going to be exploited by the Taliban. | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Trump publicly announced the withdrawal and it's date so Biden wouldn't be able to keep troops there. Whether Biden agrees with the withdrawal or not is a moot point, don't try and say it was his idea and Trump wouldn'ty have done it." Do ones the USA president have no say though? | |||
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"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat! Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump? Gbat They withdrew on Biden orders. " So a bit of background - Trump as President asked Pakistan to release from prison the guy who is now head of the Taliban so the US could talk to him in Quatar. The US representatives did a deal which involved NONE of the other parties in Afgahistan, (like the government, NATO uk etc) whereby the Taliban agreed it would not attack the weakened US forces on the promise that the US would leave by the end of the year. Trump ran down troop numbers from 15,000 to 2,500; a contingent that could easily be annihilated by the Taliban in days if it chose. Trump had no plan at all for the transition other than to get the remaining soldiers out. It appears he had not even considered the US and other citizens in Afghanistan. So Biden was faced with a fait acomplis and is basically Trump's patsy taking the hits for a disasterous decision. He has had to rush 5000 soldiers back in to defend Kabul airport. But let us not believe the truth or consider history. Trump good - Biden bad! Wrap the star spangled banner round yourself put on your MAGA hat and yell "4 more years. 4 more years" | |||
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