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"Can off worms opened op This can be a very touch subject hence why I normally stay out off them good luck op " I apologise in advance if I'm naive on the subject. I welcome any education on it. But I've always thought they were two distinct groups in their own right? | |||
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 forgot I’d promised myself not to get into this debate ever again.
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am "Oh forgot slag Non of the above are me  | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … " I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? " Gender fluid? | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality " Most pre OP ts are women | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? Gender fluid?" Yeah sure why not? I mean there has to be a list somewhere of what people identify as how hard can it be to implement that? | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? Gender fluid? Yeah sure why not? I mean there has to be a list somewhere of what people identify as how hard can it be to implement that? " Are you gender fluid | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? Gender fluid? Yeah sure why not? I mean there has to be a list somewhere of what people identify as how hard can it be to implement that? Are you gender fluid " Nope, why? | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am " | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? Gender fluid? Yeah sure why not? I mean there has to be a list somewhere of what people identify as how hard can it be to implement that? Are you gender fluid Nope, why?" So because your curious abouts Ts you think its about sex? | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? Gender fluid? Yeah sure why not? I mean there has to be a list somewhere of what people identify as how hard can it be to implement that? Are you gender fluid Nope, why? So because your curious abouts Ts you think its about sex?" I'm already confused XD | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? Gender fluid? Yeah sure why not? I mean there has to be a list somewhere of what people identify as how hard can it be to implement that? Are you gender fluid Nope, why? So because your curious abouts Ts you think its about sex? I'm already confused XD" Ask me | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me "Id call you Yasmeen...because that's your name XD | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me
Id call you Yasmeen...because that's your name XD"For Derek | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am "Errr we’re divorced  why do you still have my name? | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
Errr we’re divorced why do you still have my name? "Sounds nice dear | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … I mean they're not the same thing are they? So I'm struggling to understand the controversy around each having their own categories :S I mean surely non-binary people also deserve a searchable category on here too? " I myself think that it comes under the same umbrella but it’s not the same thing, I wrote something about it the other day and personally I don’t think separating would be opening a can of worm. Like I’m a pre op trans woman (so then once the TS category is established then one can say whether they have GRS or not or whatever) , I live this way and I take all the hormones, and I’m also planning ops soon x I love my TV sisters but I think it’d be okay to sep the two x x | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me
Id call you Yasmeen...because that's your name XD
For Derek
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me
Id call you Yasmeen...because that's your name XD
For Derek
I kinda liked the Mrs Mystique thing "My new profile name xx | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality " If you live your life as a woman and have gone through therapist/doctors to establish it (and waiting to go on hormones) then you are a trans woman. I still have plenty of operations I need doing but I’m established as a woman, get all my hormones etc x so… | |||
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"This is my take on it in Pakistan they all live together in a village TV ts they look out for eachother xx" With Mr Mystique | |||
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"How many more times is this subject going to be rehashed.?For heavens sake stop labelling people and accept them for what they are.!!!!! " I couldn't agree more Maria | |||
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"How many more times is this subject going to be rehashed.?For heavens sake stop labelling people and accept them for what they are.!!!!! I couldn't agree more Maria" Agree xx | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me "Bert | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me
Bert"No | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification" Ask _igma Its not inappropriate But being a minority will have alot to do with it | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time " Because he does deep down | |||
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"I don't care how about just say Human I have been called TV Ts Tranny Ladyboy Shemale Chick Mrs Mystique Girly I know what I am
What would you call me
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification" I tried to private message u but u blocked us all | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification I tried to private message u but u blocked us all " | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time " How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 14/08/21 19:39:18]" I saw that | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification I tried to private message u but u blocked us all "My apologies, I should have done prior to posting this thread only something I've thought about recently my bad | |||
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"To be fair girls, u are attacking the lad when he genuinely asked a question. " I'm.not attacking | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification I tried to private message u but u blocked us all
My apologies, I should have done prior to posting this thread only something I've thought about recently my bad "What are you confused about??? | |||
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"To be fair girls, u are attacking the lad when he genuinely asked a question. I'm.not attacking " Girl I wasn’t talking about u my lovely xxx  | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time " Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? | |||
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"To be fair girls, u are attacking the lad when he genuinely asked a question. " Honestly I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm just trying to gain some understanding from people first hand. I really didn't think I'd be villified for it...at no point have I disregarded anything anyone has said I'm really just looking to be better educated on the subject and to be talked down to like this is starting to alienate me :S | |||
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"To be fair girls, u are attacking the lad when he genuinely asked a question. I'm.not attacking Girl I wasn’t talking about u my lovely xxx "
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification" maybe you should go and do some research. This type of thread is unnecessary. How many categories do you want to see. In this day of gender neutrality. Do you realise there over 100 different types you can use these days. Do we want to see all of these expecting to see their own little group on here. Fab puts us all together to make things simple Some just can't accept simple. | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? " Yes thank you this, this is exactly where I'm coming from | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question" Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV? | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edificationmaybe you should go and do some research. This type of thread is unnecessary. How many categories do you want to see. In this day of gender neutrality. Do you realise there over 100 different types you can use these days. Do we want to see all of these expecting to see their own little group on here. Fab puts us all together to make things simple Some just can't accept simple. " He was only asking it's good to ask | |||
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"To be fair girls, u are attacking the lad when he genuinely asked a question. " the same, question that's been asked so many times. I'm not attacking him personally. I'm attacking this type of thread | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV?" At this point I darent say anything | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV? At this point I darent say anything" Don't be silly xxx speak | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification Ask _igma Its not inappropriate But being a minority will have alot to do with it" Ehhh ?!? | |||
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"It's good to ask but it's only 2 days since this topic last appeared. it wears a little thin." Not everyone lives on the forums, it’s new to the OP, if it’s not for you, move on. | |||
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"It's good to ask but it's only 2 days since this topic last appeared. it wears a little thin." But he maybe didn't see that other thread I don't keep tabs in threads hes very respectful  | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? " Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV  | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification Ask _igma Its not inappropriate But being a minority will have alot to do with it Ehhh ?!?" This | |||
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"I looked for another thread on this but the Fab forum search is crap. I apologise if this was a recent discussion I wasnt aware." Dont apologise hun xx | |||
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"I looked for another thread on this but the Fab forum search is crap. I apologise if this was a recent discussion I wasnt aware." You’ve got nothing to apologise for, it’s like Groundhog Day on here at the best of times. | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV "
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You know how I learned about people? By asking questions and receiving answers.
Some may be delicate questions but I do believe if asked with genuine interest to learn for positive reasons then it's all good, coz people can normally tell the motive behind the question. | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV? At this point I darent say anything" Well generally anyone who is MtF transgender wears the clothes of the gender that they were not proscribed as being at birth so you could say thats a similarity rather than a difference. | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification Ask _igma Its not inappropriate But being a minority will have alot to do with it Ehhh ?!? This "Happy to help Thread closed!  | |||
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"I'm still confused as to why it's inappropriate to have two distinct categories for each. I really really don't wish to offend anyone, but if someone could give a calm and well reasoned explanation I'd be grateful for my own edification Ask _igma Its not inappropriate But being a minority will have alot to do with it Ehhh ?!? This
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"TV stunning Ts is a woman TV doesn't want to be a woman Ts does " Not entirely correct though is it. This is what i meant on a different thread Lots of TV's may want to live as a woman but for many reasons they not be able too, be it shame, being scared(Like myself as mine is also linked to social anxiety, fear of failure and or being different and obviously so, like if i was born with a slightly better male body the idea of transisioning would be alot easier and other deepseated issues) or scared of being disowned by family ect ect. I have upmost respect and jealousy i guess, for people who are able to just be themselves or who they know themselves to be. Like do you know what i would give to look like Kylie for example? It doesnt matter what i do though i never will so why bother at the chance of making myself even more misrable. I used to lie awake at night as a kid wishing genies where real so i could find one and get my wish | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV? At this point I darent say anything Well generally anyone who is MtF transgender wears the clothes of the gender that they were not proscribed as being at birth so you could say thats a similarity rather than a difference." True but it goes deeper than just wearing the clothes of the gender we are.. It’s my whole being. I really appreciate the whole community and nuances but let’s call it as it is Like a non binary person is different to me. And that’s okay  | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV "Well then call yourself a female and stop expecting a special little group of your own. You were maybe happy to share the group pre op or whatever then all of a sudden you want to be put on some sort of pedastal... Hey look at me. We all start from the same position be, it cd, tv or ts. It's, a, journey in life, embrace it rather than expect special recognition.I'm going to class myself as a gender fluid non conformist next week. Of course I will expect my own little divine category when I do this. Come on just share the group we are all now in and stop stirring. What is the matter with some on here. This, is the, classic type of thread that makes the forum the joke that it is. In the 12 years I've been on here it has definately got worse. | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … " Hard to argue with that | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … Hard to argue with that " All she does is eat pizza btw fact!! | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV? At this point I darent say anything Well generally anyone who is MtF transgender wears the clothes of the gender that they were not proscribed as being at birth so you could say thats a similarity rather than a difference. True but it goes deeper than just wearing the clothes of the gender we are.. It’s my whole being. I really appreciate the whole community and nuances but let’s call it as it is Like a non binary person is different to me. And that’s okay "And here is often the nub of the perceived problem. We are all different and that seems to be the emphasis, our differences, rather than our similarities, what binds us, makes a community, through a community you get strength, as disparate individuals your on your own. I do struggle at times with individuals who are not like me but i try to look past what we dont have and look at what we do. | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again " It’s a bit like Mods and Rockers in the 60’s, both ride two wheeled vehicles, but that’s where the similarities end. Two different groups within a section of society, some see us the same others different. Also we get together each Bank Holiday and kick the crap out of each other | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again " From the mouth of babes ….. | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time How dare I ask a perfectly reasonable question Perhaps you could give what you see are the similarities between a TS and a TV? At this point I darent say anything Well generally anyone who is MtF transgender wears the clothes of the gender that they were not proscribed as being at birth so you could say thats a similarity rather than a difference. True but it goes deeper than just wearing the clothes of the gender we are.. It’s my whole being. I really appreciate the whole community and nuances but let’s call it as it is Like a non binary person is different to me. And that’s okay
And here is often the nub of the perceived problem.
We are all different and that seems to be the emphasis, our differences, rather than our similarities, what binds us, makes a community, through a community you get strength, as disparate individuals your on your own.
I do struggle at times with individuals who are not like me but i try to look past what we dont have and look at what we do."Which is fair, but separating the two labels isn’t gonna make us weaker. It’s just gonna define better the fact that it’s not the same thing. Otherwise we should have a LGBTQ+ only category where everyone under the umbrella defines themselves further on the profile… to make it more community oriented if that was the case But it’s my 2 cents only Having said that I said it before and I’m sick of guys being lazy and saying I’m a tv! Probably because tv comes before ts in the label | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again It’s a bit like Mods and Rockers in the 60’s, both ride two wheeled vehicles, but that’s where the similarities end. Two different groups within a section of society, some see us the same others different. Also we get together each Bank Holiday and kick the crap out of each other "Been a while since i went to a Sparkle weekend | |||
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"I’m all for it. Yet again I got messages today saying I’m the most beautiful TV they ever seen. Major eye roll … Hard to argue with that All she does is eat pizza btw fact!!"BRING IT TO ME NOW | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again It’s a bit like Mods and Rockers in the 60’s, both ride two wheeled vehicles, but that’s where the similarities end. Two different groups within a section of society, some see us the same others different. Also we get together each Bank Holiday and kick the crap out of each other
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"TV stunning Ts is a woman TV doesn't want to be a woman Ts does Not entirely correct though is it. This is what i meant on a different thread Lots of TV's may want to live as a woman but for many reasons they not be able too, be it shame, being scared(Like myself as mine is also linked to social anxiety, fear of failure and or being different and obviously so, like if i was born with a slightly better male body the idea of transisioning would be alot easier and other deepseated issues) or scared of being disowned by family ect ect. I have upmost respect and jealousy i guess, for people who are able to just be themselves or who they know themselves to be. Like do you know what i would give to look like Kylie for example? It doesnt matter what i do though i never will so why bother at the chance of making myself even more misrable. I used to lie awake at night as a kid wishing genies where real so i could find one and get my wish" It's a struggle yes but times are getting better xxx Hugs to you xxx | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV Well then call yourself a
female and stop expecting a special little group of your own. You were maybe happy to share the group pre op or whatever then all of a sudden you want to be put on some sort of pedastal... Hey look at me. We all start from the same position be, it cd, tv or ts. It's, a, journey in life, embrace it rather than expect special recognition.I'm going to class myself as a gender fluid non conformist next week. Of course I will expect my own little divine category when I do this. Come on just share the group we are all now in and stop stirring. What is the matter with some on here. This, is the, classic type of thread that makes the forum the joke that it is. In the 12 years I've been on here it has definately got worse. "This is a bit harsh. Some people don't understand the difference between people who are transgender and people who are happy as their assigned gender but just enjoy dressing as the opposite sex so I can totally understand the frustration over being confused for one if you are the other and I don't think it's anyone saying one is better than the other. I also totally recognise that not everyone using this category is one of these two things. | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again It’s a bit like Mods and Rockers in the 60’s, both ride two wheeled vehicles, but that’s where the similarities end. Two different groups within a section of society, some see us the same others different. Also we get together each Bank Holiday and kick the crap out of each other "I'd definately be up for that, lets, sort this out once and for all. Instead, of being brave keyboard warriors lets put all the words into effect. How brave will or can you be, | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV Well then call yourself a
female and stop expecting a special little group of your own. You were maybe happy to share the group pre op or whatever then all of a sudden you want to be put on some sort of pedastal... Hey look at me. We all start from the same position be, it cd, tv or ts. It's, a, journey in life, embrace it rather than expect special recognition.I'm going to class myself as a gender fluid non conformist next week. Of course I will expect my own little divine category when I do this. Come on just share the group we are all now in and stop stirring. What is the matter with some on here. This, is the, classic type of thread that makes the forum the joke that it is. In the 12 years I've been on here it has definately got worse.
This is a bit harsh. Some people don't understand the difference between people who are transgender and people who are happy as their assigned gender but just enjoy dressing as the opposite sex so I can totally understand the frustration over being confused for one if you are the other and I don't think it's anyone saying one is better than the other. I also totally recognise that not everyone using this category is one of these two things. "Literally I could do an acid peel on my face with what I just had to read…. | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology." So you calling me a man??? | |||
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV Well then call yourself a
female and stop expecting a special little group of your own. You were maybe happy to share the group pre op or whatever then all of a sudden you want to be put on some sort of pedastal... Hey look at me. We all start from the same position be, it cd, tv or ts. It's, a, journey in life, embrace it rather than expect special recognition.I'm going to class myself as a gender fluid non conformist next week. Of course I will expect my own little divine category when I do this. Come on just share the group we are all now in and stop stirring. What is the matter with some on here. This, is the, classic type of thread that makes the forum the joke that it is. In the 12 years I've been on here it has definately got worse.
This is a bit harsh. Some people don't understand the difference between people who are transgender and people who are happy as their assigned gender but just enjoy dressing as the opposite sex so I can totally understand the frustration over being confused for one if you are the other and I don't think it's anyone saying one is better than the other. I also totally recognise that not everyone using this category is one of these two things.
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"Why is it a supposed straight guy who has no interest in either a tv or ts asks this question all the time Some people are genuinely interested and want to learn. The more convos shared the more knowledge and experience shared, that can only be a good thing surely? Exactly, and I guess a lot of people don’t know much yet about trans topics and issues And let’s be honest, there’s a difference between the two categories so it’s only fair to explain if people don’t know it Some of you might be tired of being asked this question I’m sick and tired of having to explain guys on here over over and over that I’m trans woman and not a TV Well then call yourself a
female and stop expecting a special little group of your own. You were maybe happy to share the group pre op or whatever then all of a sudden you want to be put on some sort of pedastal... Hey look at me. We all start from the same position be, it cd, tv or ts. It's, a, journey in life, embrace it rather than expect special recognition.I'm going to class myself as a gender fluid non conformist next week. Of course I will expect my own little divine category when I do this. Come on just share the group we are all now in and stop stirring. What is the matter with some on here. This, is the, classic type of thread that makes the forum the joke that it is. In the 12 years I've been on here it has definately got worse.
This is a bit harsh. Some people don't understand the difference between people who are transgender and people who are happy as their assigned gender but just enjoy dressing as the opposite sex so I can totally understand the frustration over being confused for one if you are the other and I don't think it's anyone saying one is better than the other. I also totally recognise that not everyone using this category is one of these two things.
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology." Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again " Nope not at all. You gotta realise also no matter how many may try and tell you otherwise the "Tranny tiers" do exist. I have seen it multiple times where certain TS's will look down on TV's for not having real tits for example and heard stories from others. I didnt realise it was even a thing until i started going out to places like Pink Punters myself So its quite a heated subject tbh | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again Nope not at all. You gotta realise also no matter how many may try and tell you otherwise the "Tranny tiers" do exist. I have seen it multiple times where certain TS's will look down on TV's for not having real tits for example and heard stories from others. I didnt realise it was even a thing until i started going out to places like Pink Punters myself So its quite a heated subject tbh" Honestly had no idea it was until this thread and I suppose I'm more informed as a result of it  | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are." I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so)" Honestly, while you're technically correct, I'd say that if you're worried about being able to keep the straight label then perhaps you need to look at why that is and if that might cause issues. If you have a fear of being labelled as anything not poker straight, could this make you uncomfortable in some sexual situations and therefore make the other person uncomfortable? Also if you're going to be put off experiencing things because someone takes issue with you talking about it in the forums then you won't be left with many things to do . | |||
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"What seems apparent to me through this thread are there are many different viewpoints within the respective group/s themselves. Would it be unreasonable to say if you can't agree among yourselves it's even more difficult for others (like myself) to understand? Or am I being naive/stupid again Nope not at all. You gotta realise also no matter how many may try and tell you otherwise the "Tranny tiers" do exist. I have seen it multiple times where certain TS's will look down on TV's for not having real tits for example and heard stories from others. I didnt realise it was even a thing until i started going out to places like Pink Punters myself So its quite a heated subject tbh" Tranny Tiers … TT Perhaps it should be Audi rather than TV/TS
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult." I knew that would get hurled in | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so)" I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. I knew that would get hurled in "It's a very vital part and one that constantly gets overlooked. Dicks in women only spaces is and has been abused and leaves women and children vulnerable. The law should have been tougher on this and then I wouldn't have needed to throw such a valuable fact into the discussion. | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. I knew that would get hurled in
It's a very vital part and one that constantly gets overlooked. Dicks in women only spaces is and has been abused and leaves women and children vulnerable. The law should have been tougher on this and then I wouldn't have needed to throw such a valuable fact into the discussion. "I respect your opinion | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. I knew that would get hurled in
It's a very vital part and one that constantly gets overlooked. Dicks in women only spaces is and has been abused and leaves women and children vulnerable. The law should have been tougher on this and then I wouldn't have needed to throw such a valuable fact into the discussion.
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult." U may have several degrees in whatever, but it still makes you very ignorant on the matter. That’s for sure…. | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. U may have several degrees in whatever, but it still makes you very ignorant on the matter. That’s for sure…. " You couldn't be further from the truth. My cousin spent years going through this process but went the course and had a beautiful neo vagina and is now happily married. May I ask how far along the hospital's surgery waiting list you are? | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult." Sex offenders have been able to offend for centuries without dressing up as a woman. This is such a red herring. | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. U may have several degrees in whatever, but it still makes you very ignorant on the matter. That’s for sure…. You couldn't be further from the truth. My cousin spent years going through this process but went the course and had a beautiful neo vagina and is now happily married. May I ask how far along the hospital's surgery waiting list you are?" I’m a year and a few months away, and I’ll be going private. But even then I need to pass all the checks before I get a yes for it.. Having said that, the girls who don’t feel as uncomfortable with what they have been given.. are still valid women. I never connected ever with what I have been given at birth, to the point I used to tuck in the bath when I was 4-5 (my mum told me) cos I didn’t think it belong there… But again, as it’s a MAJOR surgery, it’s okay if some feel like they don’t need or want to go through with GRS. And that doesn’t make them less women … | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. Sex offenders have been able to offend for centuries without dressing up as a woman. This is such a red herring. " Yes indeed they have and nothing red herring about facts sweetheart. By the law doing what they've done it's enabled yet another route for sex offenders to abuse women and children in women only spaces, prisons and areas supposed to be safe. Surely you must read the news sweetheart and claiming a perfectly valid post is a red herring only reflects poorly on yourself my dear. | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. Sex offenders have been able to offend for centuries without dressing up as a woman. This is such a red herring. Totally and regardless sex offenders will do whatever it takes to commit the crime. Let’s be honest here..:" That is not the point I'm making. The original OP created a post as genuinely curious. Of course sex offenders will offend, buy this is a very valid point that has and is still being raised the world over. I'm all for everyone having rights and protection under the law, but because of this loophole, my option still stands regarding what's between your legs. Even the NHS's STD online service still asks what was originally put on your birth certificate even if you click the female/TG box. If it's important for them, then it's important. I have no problem with anyone's sexualities or gender decisions, what I'm objecting to and it's so blatantly obvious that if you have a dick you can't physically be classed as a women or at least shouldn't. Unfortunately the government cocked up badly there. No pun intended. | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x " They have been surprisingly cool about some other things I've told them to be fair. Although, being of an anxious disposition I do find myself wondering if they say something different behind my back. I doubt they do, but yk that's anxiety for ya haha | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. U may have several degrees in whatever, but it still makes you very ignorant on the matter. That’s for sure…. You couldn't be further from the truth. My cousin spent years going through this process but went the course and had a beautiful neo vagina and is now happily married. May I ask how far along the hospital's surgery waiting list you are? I’m a year and a few months away, and I’ll be going private. But even then I need to pass all the checks before I get a yes for it.. Having said that, the girls who don’t feel as uncomfortable with what they have been given.. are still valid women. I never connected ever with what I have been given at birth, to the point I used to tuck in the bath when I was 4-5 (my mum told me) cos I didn’t think it belong there… But again, as it’s a MAJOR surgery, it’s okay if some feel like they don’t need or want to go through with GRS. And that doesn’t make them less women … " Well I wish you every success in your journey and hope you truly find that lasting happiness you so need. | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. U may have several degrees in whatever, but it still makes you very ignorant on the matter. That’s for sure…. You couldn't be further from the truth. My cousin spent years going through this process but went the course and had a beautiful neo vagina and is now happily married. May I ask how far along the hospital's surgery waiting list you are? I’m a year and a few months away, and I’ll be going private. But even then I need to pass all the checks before I get a yes for it.. Having said that, the girls who don’t feel as uncomfortable with what they have been given.. are still valid women. I never connected ever with what I have been given at birth, to the point I used to tuck in the bath when I was 4-5 (my mum told me) cos I didn’t think it belong there… But again, as it’s a MAJOR surgery, it’s okay if some feel like they don’t need or want to go through with GRS. And that doesn’t make them less women … Well I wish you every success in your journey and hope you truly find that lasting happiness you so need." Thanks she will | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x They have been surprisingly cool about some other things I've told them to be fair. Although, being of an anxious disposition I do find myself wondering if they say something different behind my back. I doubt they do, but yk that's anxiety for ya haha" Tbf why do your friends even need to know? I wouldnt tell my friends about any sexual partners i have had be them male, female or whatever inbetween unless they where friends because of getting to know them from here in the first place. The only time i may tell my "Normal" friends would be if something become serious, but then i may have to explain other obvious things that they dont know either also | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x " Change in areas like this is always painstaking slow, but it will come. Not everyone will accept as the hardliners will still knuckle drag till they day they die. Women's rights as a whole has been through blood sweat and tears and we've as far to go again, but life is much better now than in my day when a woman wasn't allowed to have a bank account without her husband's permission or get married without her Father's written consent..every generation experiences madness of some kind. | |||
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"Oh and without needing to quote any posts from above. You can be highly educated and have many degrees and masters etc but if you don't know the subject matter then that education means nothing with regards to the given subject. There are people who have made decisions on what the law needs to be already so your opinions on what things are or aren't is irrelevant. I'm a PhD student and couldn't agree more regarding the degrees thing XD I help teach the undergraduates and yeah... although they may have/get a degree it means very little in the grand scheme of things. You'd be amazed at how graduates these days aren't actually that bright... I'll wait for the 'degrees aren't what they used to be' comments XD" Im not university educated, i used to be a Chef,Head Chef and Dessert designer. When i worked in restaraunts the easiest to prank with common sense pranks was Uni students. I once had somone doing their masters in i think psychology come into the kitchen asking where the bags of steam where kept for the coffee machine | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x They have been surprisingly cool about some other things I've told them to be fair. Although, being of an anxious disposition I do find myself wondering if they say something different behind my back. I doubt they do, but yk that's anxiety for ya haha Tbf why do your friends even need to know? I wouldnt tell my friends about any sexual partners i have had be them male, female or whatever inbetween unless they where friends because of getting to know them from here in the first place. The only time i may tell my "Normal" friends would be if something become serious, but then i may have to explain other obvious things that they dont know either also" Not so much telling them but them finding out. When I was in college somehow, someway someone found out a couple on campus were posting porn online. It's crazy what some people may stumble upon | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x Change in areas like this is always painstaking slow, but it will come. Not everyone will accept as the hardliners will still knuckle drag till they day they die. Women's rights as a whole has been through blood sweat and tears and we've as far to go again, but life is much better now than in my day when a woman wasn't allowed to have a bank account without her husband's permission or get married without her Father's written consent..every generation experiences madness of some kind." Soooooo ……. When are you moving to Afghanistan? | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x They have been surprisingly cool about some other things I've told them to be fair. Although, being of an anxious disposition I do find myself wondering if they say something different behind my back. I doubt they do, but yk that's anxiety for ya haha Tbf why do your friends even need to know? I wouldnt tell my friends about any sexual partners i have had be them male, female or whatever inbetween unless they where friends because of getting to know them from here in the first place. The only time i may tell my "Normal" friends would be if something become serious, but then i may have to explain other obvious things that they dont know either also Not so much telling them but them finding out. When I was in college somehow, someway someone found out a couple on campus were posting porn online. It's crazy what some people may stumble upon " Dont post videos of whatever you get up to online then! haha | |||
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"the trouble is TS is a process that may take some years , A pre op TS may not be physically much different from a TV although they may have a different view of their sexuality Most pre OP ts are women Women don't have dicks darling. Sorry. You can self identify with a kettle as far as I'm concerned but regardless of utopia, women have vaginas and men have dicks. There's nothing complicated about it, just biology. Oh Jesus Christ, a Karen from 1789 has suddenly appeared. Go educate yourself please before commenting some BS about who we are. I have several degrees sweetheart and as I said in the post, you can self identify as anything but there is either a dick or vagina present. Until the said individual has undergone SRS, then a straight guy will still consider them in the TV category. I don't have time for all this mamby pampby nonsense and didn't agree with the government's decision to allow those who didn't have a neo vagina to be classified as women. Therein lies another risky area where sex offenders can self identify as women and abuse women and children. The law needs to be tougher and you can kick and scream and tear your panties all you like, but if you have a dick, then my mind is made up. If you don't like my opinion then I suggest you refrain from rude name calling and learn to MASS debate like an adult. Sex offenders have been able to offend for centuries without dressing up as a woman. This is such a red herring. Totally and regardless sex offenders will do whatever it takes to commit the crime. Let’s be honest here..: That is not the point I'm making. The original OP created a post as genuinely curious. Of course sex offenders will offend, buy this is a very valid point that has and is still being raised the world over. I'm all for everyone having rights and protection under the law, but because of this loophole, my option still stands regarding what's between your legs. Even the NHS's STD online service still asks what was originally put on your birth certificate even if you click the female/TG box. If it's important for them, then it's important. I have no problem with anyone's sexualities or gender decisions, what I'm objecting to and it's so blatantly obvious that if you have a dick you can't physically be classed as a women or at least shouldn't. Unfortunately the government cocked up badly there. No pun intended." Having a vagina will not override our original birth certificate. Do you realise how difficult it would be to make the decision to revolutionise a whole life to be our true selves? You heard it from some of the girls here who aren’t ready to make the step. Some will never be. Meaning, it’s not an easy decision. So being incredibly difficult as we have to go through checks from medical staff (and let’s not talk about the hurdles of society), it seems very silly to say and think that people DECIDE to transition so they can go touch women in the toilets or WIN trophies at the Olympics……. Get real! | |||
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"Oh and without needing to quote any posts from above. You can be highly educated and have many degrees and masters etc but if you don't know the subject matter then that education means nothing with regards to the given subject. There are people who have made decisions on what the law needs to be already so your opinions on what things are or aren't is irrelevant. Sophie stop being such a fucking Queen all the time, I seriously can’t stand it xxx
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x They have been surprisingly cool about some other things I've told them to be fair. Although, being of an anxious disposition I do find myself wondering if they say something different behind my back. I doubt they do, but yk that's anxiety for ya haha Tbf why do your friends even need to know? I wouldnt tell my friends about any sexual partners i have had be them male, female or whatever inbetween unless they where friends because of getting to know them from here in the first place. The only time i may tell my "Normal" friends would be if something become serious, but then i may have to explain other obvious things that they dont know either also Not so much telling them but them finding out. When I was in college somehow, someway someone found out a couple on campus were posting porn online. It's crazy what some people may stumble upon do you get your kicks out of causing trouble on here. Because you certainly seem to " Qué? | |||
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"I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong of me to want to explore my sexuality beyond being straight to those who are in the process of transitioning. I mean arguably it's still straight right because those transitioning are women but yk it feels like a minefield at this point. This enquiry probably has something incorrect in it (apologies if so) I wouldnt worry about what you label yourself sexualy like that too much. If you like the person and are attracted to them whats to loose other than maybe time? Good point, I think I just lack confidence. I care what my mates would think if they find out but I guess why should I? Because of social stigma, I appreciate you admitting it as it’s the years of people saying “u just fucked a bloke in a dress or a woman with a dick” I think tho things are changing little by little … And don’t worry, I did meet with someone who was open about having slept with a trans girl before me to his mates and they took it very nicely. They were inquisitive and not judgy. So he said . You know your mates so u know if they are closed minded or cool x They have been surprisingly cool about some other things I've told them to be fair. Although, being of an anxious disposition I do find myself wondering if they say something different behind my back. I doubt they do, but yk that's anxiety for ya haha Tbf why do your friends even need to know? I wouldnt tell my friends about any sexual partners i have had be them male, female or whatever inbetween unless they where friends because of getting to know them from here in the first place. The only time i may tell my "Normal" friends would be if something become serious, but then i may have to explain other obvious things that they dont know either also Not so much telling them but them finding out. When I was in college somehow, someway someone found out a couple on campus were posting porn online. It's crazy what some people may stumble upon do you get your kicks out of causing trouble on here. Because you certainly seem to Qué?" just admit it. Be a man and not a mouse | |||
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