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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Haven't seen anyone post today about this new law that will be passed tonight. So what do people think for or against?
I'll start by saying "what the hell took so long"!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am waiting to tease my FB with this
As a former punk, he spent the first of his years in the UK living in several London squats.
Never short of an opinion, I shall of course crank it up a bit and then watch him spin  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So people with no home will be locked up at great cost, kids taken into care etc all at great cost, and also fined. Great. It's a great way to solve the biggest housing crisis in UK history |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The law that says they no longer have rights, and from 12 tonight squatting will be an offence that could lead to a custodial sentence."
so more free board and lodgings for them
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"lol, the forums are way Daily Mail."
So let's say you are fortunate enough to own your own place but maybe bought some wee flat so your child could stay while at Uni. Before they move in, squatters do. You'd be happy to just let them stay? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just a thought.
Squatting in someones home (ie where someone was actually liveing with their family) or squatting in an otherwise empty property. Are these completely different issues?
I understand from Radio 4 news that the first is very rare, the latter describes 99% of squats. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought.
Squatting in someones home (ie where someone was actually liveing with their family) or squatting in an otherwise empty property. Are these completely different issues?
I understand from Radio 4 news that the first is very rare, the latter describes 99% of squats."
Exactly. This is a law to allow tosser landlords to evict people who cannot afford hiked up rents in London and other cities. It will do nothing about actual 'squatters' in derelict buildings. If I have enough money to buy a flat to rent whilst already having a house then fuck me, I clearly have too much money |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If I own a property that I am not using, it is up to me who can or can't use it. If someone decides to enter said property illegally, I should have the right to remove that person immediately. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Haven't seen anyone post today about this new law that will be passed tonight. So what do people think for or against?
I'll start by saying "what the hell took so long"! "
I was a squatting activist back in the 70s when the squatting movement in Britain, the Netherlands, Scandianavia and Germany was highly organised. I fully support squatters now as then and have no time for those who condemn squatters as they are in my experience either the rich who believe it is fair for them to become stinking rich by screwing ordinary people with the highest property and rent prices in Europe, or the kind of people who resent the fact that they have to pay such obscene prices and have to work so hard and so long to keep up the payments, and that their wages stay the same whilst food and energy prices rise and rise, but don't have the guts to do anything about it except complain to their friends, and who perversely dislike people who do have the guts to do something. Both types, in my eyes are beneath contempt.
For the record, whatever the Sun, Daily Mail and other such squallid rags would have the uninformed believe, the new legislation does not make squatting illegal. In fact it does little more than could be done under the Criminal Tresspass clauses of the Criminal Law Act 1977.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought.
Squatting in someones home (ie where someone was actually liveing with their family) or squatting in an otherwise empty property. Are these completely different issues?
I understand from Radio 4 news that the first is very rare, the latter describes 99% of squats."
The Displaced Residential Occupiers clause of the Criminal Trespass Bill which was included in the Criminal Law Act 1977 made it a criminal offence to occupy someone's home if for example he was away on holiday.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lol, the forums are way Daily Mail.
So let's say you are fortunate enough to own your own place but maybe bought some wee flat so your child could stay while at Uni. Before they move in, squatters do. You'd be happy to just let them stay?"
The Protected Intending Occupiers clause of the Criminal Trespass Bill which was part of the Criminal Law Act 1977 would make what you describe a criminal offence.
Too many uninformed views in this thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"jesus christ cocky, do you have to have such a gratuitously enormous cock?? you are raising the bar for average joes ya know x"
Someones been playing with the Photoshop maybe.....? Lol!
Anyway, this new law only covers domestic buildings, not commercial. With all the vacant shops and business parks brimming over with empty units, wonder where the squatters will go.....
Answers on a postcard...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I totally agree with this law and it is way over due. Peoples lives and properties have been ruined by these free loaders. "
Really? Perhaps you'd like to give some examples, as I am sure you are a reasonable person who wouldn't express a view about a subject like this without having first acquainted yourself with all the relevant information such as surveys carried out, the appropriate legislation etc etc. |
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Ive known numerous people who had letted there property for 6months to a year when away on travels and work commitments. When they have returned they have not been able to move into there property even though the agreed let lease had expires due to people pulling the squatters rights act. Then these people who have worked hard to get what they own have to rent somewhere until there unwanted squatters decide to ruin someone elses life! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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personally if it was my house someone was squatting i'd let them.
I'd also ensure that every window and door was steel panel bolted from the outside while i fed petrol thru the letter box and carelessly threw a match in  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ive known numerous people who had letted there property for 6months to a year when away on travels and work commitments. When they have returned they have not been able to move into there property even though the agreed let lease had expires due to people pulling the squatters rights act. Then these people who have worked hard to get what they own have to rent somewhere until there unwanted squatters decide to ruin someone elses life!"
They are not squatters. They are 'problem tenants' as they have a legally binding tenancy agreement.
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If I had no where to go and set up camp in a store, made myself comfortable on a show room bed telling the store manager I will be staying for a week or two and declared squatters rights I would be fighting with security guards and I'm sure in no time at all will be escorted off the premises by police and probably arrested. Why should it be any different for people s homes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I had no where to go and set up camp in a store, made myself comfortable on a show room bed telling the store manager I will be staying for a week or two and declared squatters rights I would be fighting with security guards and I'm sure in no time at all will be escorted off the premises by police and probably arrested. Why should it be any different for people s homes?"
You would be arrested for trespass, affray (if it got 'nasty'), disturbance of the peace, possibly assault if you were less than careful about what you said or did to the store staff on being asked to leave. But you would be unlikely to be arrested for Squatting.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lol, the forums are way Daily Mail.
So let's say you are fortunate enough to own your own place but maybe bought some wee flat so your child could stay while at Uni. Before they move in, squatters do. You'd be happy to just let them stay?
The Protected Intending Occupiers clause of the Criminal Trespass Bill which was part of the Criminal Law Act 1977 would make what you describe a criminal offence.
Too many uninformed views in this thread."
It's dead easy to start spouting Acts and laws to justify staying in someone else's property but the minute they start using laws which you (squatters) don't agree with then the law becomes an ass |
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When you rent a property you sign a lease agreement. If you then stay past this agreement surly it means breach of contract so therefor should be held responsible for this. Or let's just scrap all contractual agreements and let this country fall into more disrepair |
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"If I own a property that I am not using, it is up to me who can or can't use it. If someone decides to enter said property illegally, I should have the right to remove that person immediately."
I agree with that.... there are a lot of good reasons why a privately owned property is empty.
The niggle I have is over property owned by the public sector left empty, especially when it's been left empty for years.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If I own a property that I am not using, it is up to me who can or can't use it. If someone decides to enter said property illegally, I should have the right to remove that person immediately.
I agree with that.... there are a lot of good reasons why a privately owned property is empty.
The niggle I have is over property owned by the public sector left empty, especially when it's been left empty for years.
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Now that I can associate with as nearby we have seen perfectly good raf base accommodation abandoned and left to the point where it's beyond liveable.
Good point that Polo |
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'So what do people think for or against?'
Against, there needs to be less knee jerk reaction, especially from this government, who've proved they care little, or not at all, for the vast majority of decent people in this country.
Squatters displaced will cause extra cost that we the taxpayers will have to pay to support them, whether they're in prison, needing to claim housing benefit etc, for the inflated rents that other landlords will charge them instead.
If it's such a problem, maybe we need to look at and address the causes, such as why housing is so unaffordable or hard to get for so many. Stiff rent controls would be a great starting point.
I haven't seen the projected costs for the country of following this measure, but it's not likely to help the deficit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Exactly. This is a law to allow tosser landlords to evict people who cannot afford hiked up rents in London and other cities. It will do nothing about actual 'squatters' in derelict buildings. If I have enough money to buy a flat to rent whilst already having a house then fuck me, I clearly have too much money"
As I understand it, anyone continuing to live in a property they have legally been a tenant in, beyond the end of a tenancy agreement (and beyond the expiration of a Section 21, if one has been issued) will not be classed as a squatters under this law. In that case landlords will still have to seek possession through the existing legal process.
That's if it's the so-called Weatherly's Law we're talking about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lol, the forums are way Daily Mail.
So let's say you are fortunate enough to own your own place but maybe bought some wee flat so your child could stay while at Uni. Before they move in, squatters do. You'd be happy to just let them stay?
The Protected Intending Occupiers clause of the Criminal Trespass Bill which was part of the Criminal Law Act 1977 would make what you describe a criminal offence.
Too many uninformed views in this thread.
It's dead easy to start spouting Acts and laws to justify staying in someone else's property but the minute they start using laws which you (squatters) don't agree with then the law becomes an ass"
 Indeed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lol, the forums are way Daily Mail.
So let's say you are fortunate enough to own your own place but maybe bought some wee flat so your child could stay while at Uni. Before they move in, squatters do. You'd be happy to just let them stay?
The Protected Intending Occupiers clause of the Criminal Trespass Bill which was part of the Criminal Law Act 1977 would make what you describe a criminal offence.
Too many uninformed views in this thread.
It's dead easy to start spouting Acts and laws to justify staying in someone else's property but the minute they start using laws which you (squatters) don't agree with then the law becomes an ass"
I am not a squatter I stopped squatting thirty years ago.
You obviously know very little about squatting and the relevant legislation and you equally obviously haven't read my post properly.
If it can be shown that a vacant property is about to be occupied than any squatters in that property can be criminally prosecuted under the Protected Intending Occupiers clause in the Criminal Trespass Bill which was part of the Criminal Law Act 1977 with a maximum sentence of six months in prison.
It may be different in Scotland -I assume you know that Scottish Law is different in some respects to English Law-but this law has been in force since 1977.
It was the same in those days. The Criminal Trespass Law was portrayed as beeing anti-squatter,and the newspapers were full of fabrications which would whip up their uninformed readers. One story in the Daily Mail told how the comedian Eric Sykes came home from Spain only to find his house occupied by squatters. Later on it emerged that this was completely untrue.
What it was really aimed at however was preventing workers and students from occupying their places of work and study-the beginnings of the emasculation of the trade union and student union movements, just as this legislation is really aimed at
preventing protesters against big business shafting everyone, thus emasculating that movement.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless? "
Where have you been since the days of Thatcher? Most Councils in the country don't own housing anymore because Thatcher allowed them to sell off all their stock.
There are many reasons why people squat. Many are on low wages and cannot afford the obscene rents demanded by landlords who, since the days of Thatcher have been allowed to charge whatever rents they like. Others rightly refuse to be shafted by these greedy landlords and squat because they can't do anything else.
There are far more homeless people on the streets these days than in the 1970s. In those days people could go to the local authority for help (although in the case of single people only after the government bowed to the organised squatting movement and brought in the Single Homeless Person's Act. Now homeless people simply remain homeless while other people have two.three or four houses.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless? "
Yes, we do. You would be amazed at how local authorities treat people in housing crisis. I have first hand experience of this and simply would not have believed it had I not witnessed it myself.
Social housing is in massively short supply. House prices mean buying a house is impossible for large numbers of people. Mortgage companies are loathe to lend and a lot now want huge deposits. Unemployment is high, so a lot of people are on benefits. Private landlords, in the most part, won't accept tenants on benefits. Plus changes to housing benefit have dramatically reduced the number of properties within reach of people on benefits.
Oh, and increasing levels of divorce and people choosing to live as single people rather than as couples has also increased demand for housing .
All of those factors are increasing pressure on social housing all the time. Gradually it's going to lead to higher and higher levels of genuine homelessness.
The situation will get a lot worse before it gets better.
Local authorities are going to great lengths to actively avoid having to help homeless people, or those threatened with homelessness.
And at the same time, the Benefits system, the media and a large section of the public are expecting these people to either hold down their job (if they have one) or get a job (if they don't).
Some would love some stability and to get back to work but are being offered no help at all. Given that some worked and paid their taxes for many, many years before getting into trouble somehow, that's a huge slap in the face.
I could write a book about this so I'm going to shut up now. |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless? "
This is just ONE actual case. I don't know how widespread it is and there will be other reasons and other circumstances.
Information Source BBC Radio4 Today.
A female teacher was in an abusive relationship. She didn't have enough money for a deposit on a flat so she went to Women's Aid , Crisis , Housing etc .... They told her she was not a priority case and there was no temporary accommodation for her. No children etc....
She stayed in the abusive relationship for some months. She couldn't rent or buy as she was a supply teacher and had no regular income and she couldn't get a permanent contract.
She met a squatter......
At this point ...... YOU CHOOSE. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fuck the lot of them!! Squatters are just scum!!
My m8 bought a house, stayed with his gf whilst doing said houre up! Spent 15grand on refurbing it and day before he was due to move in the squatters got there!!
Took him 4 month to get rid of them, incurring court costs, and then he found out they wrecked his dream home!!
They are dirty fucking scumbags and a drain n society!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If I own a property that I am not using, it is up to me who can or can't use it. If someone decides to enter said property illegally, I should have the right to remove that person immediately.
I agree with that.... there are a lot of good reasons why a privately owned property is empty.
The niggle I have is over property owned by the public sector left empty, especially when it's been left empty for years.
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Squatters rarely occupy private property for the simple reason that they are far more likely to be evicted very quickly and often illegally.
This is myth.
It is not illegal to enter and occupy a vacant property. The act of squatting is not an offence.In squatting a vacant property a person is effectively challenging the ownership of that property. The owner then goes to court to prove that he is the owner. When he does, then if he wants the squatters evicted then that is what happened. That is how the law works.
Incidentally under legislation brought in by the last government a Local Authority can take possession of a property which has been vacant for a certain time (several years I think, but I don't know the exact number).
There is no excuse in my view for any homes being empty when there are so many people who are homeless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fuck the lot of them!! Squatters are just scum!!
My m8 bought a house, stayed with his gf whilst doing said houre up! Spent 15grand on refurbing it and day before he was due to move in the squatters got there!!
Took him 4 month to get rid of them, incurring court costs, and then he found out they wrecked his dream home!!
They are dirty fucking scumbags and a drain n society!!"
We generally found that many of our critics were far dirtier than we were-in their language for example. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fuck the lot of them!! Squatters are just scum!!
My m8 bought a house, stayed with his gf whilst doing said houre up! Spent 15grand on refurbing it and day before he was due to move in the squatters got there!!
Took him 4 month to get rid of them, incurring court costs, and then he found out they wrecked his dream home!!
They are dirty fucking scumbags and a drain n society!!
We generally found that many of our critics were far dirtier than we were-in their language for example."
But not body odour!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ok... Sexyslut. You're not a squatter now but wore it like a badge in your first post that you were 40 years ago. Let's say you come into a bit of money, an inheritance or a medium lottery win ( just for discussions sake) you decide to buy a nicer house but don't sell your own yet cos you don't know what you're going to do with it, so it sits vacant for a wee while then you decide you're going to sell it or give it to a relative. So, you aren't some filthy rich person you obviously dislike so much but the son or daughter you decide to give it to goes to move in but a heap of squatter activists have moved in.... What do you do and let's face it, who decides that a property is about to be occupied as per your use of legislation once again and yes I do know Scotland has different legislation to England, in Scotland we still have Common Law trespass laws which, though ancient are a million miles ahead of English laws. |
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"Well it would....... but I said you DONT have to play if you gimme a bunk up .....
No Swan Vestas tho .... I have a lighter "
If I was ever in ur area..(snigger)... I would be delighted to do the bunk up thing.... I'm pretty ugly tho... But I do bring my own paper bags...(not for kindling)...
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless? "
I haven't read further so apologies if this has been answered. Simply, yes we do. The waiting lists are ridiculously long for social housing. Some of it sits empty for years while local authorities run property down in order to get it to a bad enough state to warrant development funds. Some people are not counted as homeless just overcrowded. Many are sleeping on a range of sofas in their friends network.
Some of the best neighbours in our street were the squatters. They took on a house that had stood empty for years. The owner, a landlord that had let it get run down, had done nothing with it. The squatters tidied up and made it habitable. They were peaceful and neighbourly. We were sorry to see them evicted. |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless? "
its getting harder to find houseing if you fit certain criteria ie have a wage may not be a big one or have pets try renting with dogs;even kids are not welcome by some land lords local housing goes to poles and afgans  |
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"personally if it was my house someone was squatting i'd let them.
I'd also ensure that every window and door was steel panel bolted from the outside while i fed petrol thru the letter box and carelessly threw a match in "
quite frankly you should be ashamed of yourself even if you were saying that 'tongue in cheek'..
and if you remotely think that course of action is in any way justifiable, take yourself to your local burns unit and do some voluntary work on the victims.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fuck the lot of them!! Squatters are just scum!!
My m8 bought a house, stayed with his gf whilst doing said houre up! Spent 15grand on refurbing it and day before he was due to move in the squatters got there!!
Took him 4 month to get rid of them, incurring court costs, and then he found out they wrecked his dream home!!
They are dirty fucking scumbags and a drain n society!!
We generally found that many of our critics were far dirtier than we were-in their language for example.
But not body odour!!"
You'd be surprised. I remember one very elderly woman who loathed my squatting group who stank of urine. The funny thing is though that when the Electricity Board were going to cut her off because she hadn't paid her bill (she couldn't afford milk in her tea either) she came to us for help. We occupied the Electricity Board Showroom and they promised not to cut off her electricity. After this she completely changed her mind about squatters. I don't think she ever stopped smelling of urine though, but she was 93. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"personally if it was my house someone was squatting i'd let them.
I'd also ensure that every window and door was steel panel bolted from the outside while i fed petrol thru the letter box and carelessly threw a match in
quite frankly you should be ashamed of yourself even if you were saying that 'tongue in cheek'..
and if you remotely think that course of action is in any way justifiable, take yourself to your local burns unit and do some voluntary work on the victims.."
In any case you would be severely criminally prosecuted for this and go to prison for several years where you would of course get free board and lodging at the taxpayers expense and be a drain on the economy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When you rent a property you sign a lease agreement. If you then stay past this agreement surly it means breach of contract so therefor should be held responsible for this. Or let's just scrap all contractual agreements and let this country fall into more disrepair"
yes it is breach of contact but then follows a long drawn out process to evict them |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
I haven't read further so apologies if this has been answered. Simply, yes we do. The waiting lists are ridiculously long for social housing. Some of it sits empty for years while local authorities run property down in order to get it to a bad enough state to warrant development funds. Some people are not counted as homeless just overcrowded. Many are sleeping on a range of sofas in their friends network.
Some of the best neighbours in our street were the squatters. They took on a house that had stood empty for years. The owner, a landlord that had let it get run down, had done nothing with it. The squatters tidied up and made it habitable. They were peaceful and neighbourly. We were sorry to see them evicted."
Wasn't a whole street given to squatters as they had been there so long, the council were not able to evict them?
What makes waiting lists longer is immigrants who are allowed to jump to the top of the bidding list by the local authority for a vacant property, plus £600 to have a tenancy agreement translated into whatever their native tongue is |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"personally if it was my house someone was squatting i'd let them.
I'd also ensure that every window and door was steel panel bolted from the outside while i fed petrol thru the letter box and carelessly threw a match in "
I don't agree with squatters a bit but this is just too extreme, get a grip!!! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
I haven't read further so apologies if this has been answered. Simply, yes we do. The waiting lists are ridiculously long for social housing. Some of it sits empty for years while local authorities run property down in order to get it to a bad enough state to warrant development funds. Some people are not counted as homeless just overcrowded. Many are sleeping on a range of sofas in their friends network.
Some of the best neighbours in our street were the squatters. They took on a house that had stood empty for years. The owner, a landlord that had let it get run down, had done nothing with it. The squatters tidied up and made it habitable. They were peaceful and neighbourly. We were sorry to see them evicted.
Wasn't a whole street given to squatters as they had been there so long, the council were not able to evict them?
What makes waiting lists longer is immigrants who are allowed to jump to the top of the bidding list by the local authority for a vacant property, plus £600 to have a tenancy agreement translated into whatever their native tongue is "
Do you really believe that? Come and meet some of the families at our local school. Doing low paid, menial jobs that no-one in this country wants to do, paying their taxes and renting one room for the whole family because that is as far as their salary will stretch. |
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"Ok... Sexyslut. You're not a squatter now but wore it like a badge in your first post that you were 40 years ago. Let's say you come into a bit of money, an inheritance or a medium lottery win ( just for discussions sake) you decide to buy a nicer house but don't sell your own yet cos you don't know what you're going to do with it, so it sits vacant for a wee while then you decide you're going to sell it or give it to a relative. So, you aren't some filthy rich person you obviously dislike so much but the son or daughter you decide to give it to goes to move in but a heap of squatter activists have moved in.... What do you do and let's face it, who decides that a property is about to be occupied as per your use of legislation once again and yes I do know Scotland has different legislation to England, in Scotland we still have Common Law trespass laws which, though ancient are a million miles ahead of English laws. "
Well I have already answered your question and you seem not to have understood. The situations you describe would be covered by the legislation I have already mentioned ie the Displaced Residential Occupiers and the Protected Intending Occupiers clauses of the Criminal Trespass section of the Criminal Law Act 1977. I am sure you can google this and if you read what these pieces of legislation say you will discover that someone squatting in one of the situations you describe would probably get to stay in the property for a maximun of two weeks and incur a sentence of up to six months in prison.
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
Yes, we do. You would be amazed at how local authorities treat people in housing crisis. I have first hand experience of this and simply would not have believed it had I not witnessed it myself.
Social housing is in massively short supply. House prices mean buying a house is impossible for large numbers of people. Mortgage companies are loathe to lend and a lot now want huge deposits. Unemployment is high, so a lot of people are on benefits. Private landlords, in the most part, won't accept tenants on benefits. Plus changes to housing benefit have dramatically reduced the number of properties within reach of people on benefits.
Oh, and increasing levels of divorce and people choosing to live as single people rather than as couples has also increased demand for housing .
All of those factors are increasing pressure on social housing all the time. Gradually it's going to lead to higher and higher levels of genuine homelessness.
The situation will get a lot worse before it gets better.
Local authorities are going to great lengths to actively avoid having to help homeless people, or those threatened with homelessness.
And at the same time, the Benefits system, the media and a large section of the public are expecting these people to either hold down their job (if they have one) or get a job (if they don't).
Some would love some stability and to get back to work but are being offered no help at all. Given that some worked and paid their taxes for many, many years before getting into trouble somehow, that's a huge slap in the face.
I could write a book about this so I'm going to shut up now."
Well said.
The Rt Hon Minister for Housing, on taking up his post, suggested that anyone working for more than two years should leave their council or other social rented housing to make way for those on the waiting list. Then the benefits review says that all benefits should be capped, including housing benefit because these scroungers are living in better accommodation than the average working person. No where is there a statement that housing benefit goes to the landlord who sets the rent. The Kensington and Chelsea cases where it is stated that people are living in £3m homes always makes me laugh because that is the notional figure of what the property is worth because of where it is situated. It is not what is being paid in rent or what the rent would be, particularly for the council flat that finds itself one of a handful left in a block that has turned into profits made on upselling ex-council stock.
I remember being evicted from our bedsit as a child. Four of us in one room and little kitchen. The landlord was selling the property. We didn't squat - my parents is with the hang, draw and quarter all squatters brigade. We did get on the waiting list but had to live in B&B hostels for many months. Try raising two children with nowhere to feed them after breakfast. |
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"Ok... Sexyslut. You're not a squatter now but wore it like a badge in your first post that you were 40 years ago. Let's say you come into a bit of money, an inheritance or a medium lottery win ( just for discussions sake) you decide to buy a nicer house but don't sell your own yet cos you don't know what you're going to do with it, so it sits vacant for a wee while then you decide you're going to sell it or give it to a relative. So, you aren't some filthy rich person you obviously dislike so much but the son or daughter you decide to give it to goes to move in but a heap of squatter activists have moved in.... What do you do and let's face it, who decides that a property is about to be occupied as per your use of legislation once again and yes I do know Scotland has different legislation to England, in Scotland we still have Common Law trespass laws which, though ancient are a million miles ahead of English laws.
Well I have already answered your question and you seem not to have understood. The situations you describe would be covered by the legislation I have already mentioned ie the Displaced Residential Occupiers and the Protected Intending Occupiers clauses of the Criminal Trespass section of the Criminal Law Act 1977. I am sure you can google this and if you read what these pieces of legislation say you will discover that someone squatting in one of the situations you describe would probably get to stay in the property for a maximun of two weeks and incur a sentence of up to six months in prison.
Yes I appreciate many aspects of Scottish Law, not least the freedom I have to walk at will and camp wild in what I consider to be one of the most beautiful countries in the world."
"Ok... Sexyslut. You're not a squatter now but wore it like a badge in your first post that you were 40 years ago. Let's say you come into a bit of money, an inheritance or a medium lottery win ( just for discussions sake) you decide to buy a nicer house but don't sell your own yet cos you don't know what you're going to do with it, so it sits vacant for a wee while then you decide you're going to sell it or give it to a relative. So, you aren't some filthy rich person you obviously dislike so much but the son or daughter you decide to give it to goes to move in but a heap of squatter activists have moved in.... What do you do and let's face it, who decides that a property is about to be occupied as per your use of legislation once again and yes I do know Scotland has different legislation to England, in Scotland we still have Common Law trespass laws which, though ancient are a million miles ahead of English laws.
Well I have already answered your question and you seem not to have understood. The situations you describe would be covered by the legislation I have already mentioned ie the Displaced Residential Occupiers and the Protected Intending Occupiers clauses of the Criminal Trespass section of the Criminal Law Act 1977. I am sure you can google this and if you read what these pieces of legislation say you will discover that someone squatting in one of the situations you describe would probably get to stay in the property for a maximun of two weeks and incur a sentence of up to six months in prison.
Yes I appreciate many aspects of Scottish Law, not least the freedom I have to walk at will and camp wild in what I consider to be one of the most beautiful countries in the world."
That legislation also forbids people just walking into a vacant property and deciding to live there if the owner doesnt allow it (unless youre a traveller, in which case you can camp where you like until the owner goes thrrough due process) Ok, you still havent answered what you would REALLY do in the practical example I put to you directly and the legislation you describe, tell me at what point does someone decide that the property is about to be occupied, is it when it's empty 1 month, 6 months, a year...... |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
I haven't read further so apologies if this has been answered. Simply, yes we do. The waiting lists are ridiculously long for social housing. Some of it sits empty for years while local authorities run property down in order to get it to a bad enough state to warrant development funds. Some people are not counted as homeless just overcrowded. Many are sleeping on a range of sofas in their friends network.
Some of the best neighbours in our street were the squatters. They took on a house that had stood empty for years. The owner, a landlord that had let it get run down, had done nothing with it. The squatters tidied up and made it habitable. They were peaceful and neighbourly. We were sorry to see them evicted.
Wasn't a whole street given to squatters as they had been there so long, the council were not able to evict them?
What makes waiting lists longer is immigrants who are allowed to jump to the top of the bidding list by the local authority for a vacant property, plus £600 to have a tenancy agreement translated into whatever their native tongue is
Do you really believe that? Come and meet some of the families at our local school. Doing low paid, menial jobs that no-one in this country wants to do, paying their taxes and renting one room for the whole family because that is as far as their salary will stretch."
Squatters were not 'given' the properties they occupied. What happened was that if a squatter remained in a property for twelve years without the owner getting him evicted he was deemed the owner.
If Councils and other owners do not do anything at all with an empty property then personally I have no time for them in cases like this.
The last time a case like this received media attention it concerned a squatter in Brixton (a few years back). Lambeth Council were the owners and then, as in the 70s, they were so useless that they had forgotten they owned the property. The squatter, who had just become the legal owner of the house was being interviewed on television. So also was his neighbour, an Irish squatter (who, in my opinion would have been best advised not to be interviewed) who said that he had been in his house (also owned but forgotten by Lambeth Council) for eleven years and was looking forward to becoming the owner in a year's time.
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"Ok... Sexyslut. You're not a squatter now but wore it like a badge in your first post that you were 40 years ago. Let's say you come into a bit of money, an inheritance or a medium lottery win ( just for discussions sake) you decide to buy a nicer house but don't sell your own yet cos you don't know what you're going to do with it, so it sits vacant for a wee while then you decide you're going to sell it or give it to a relative. So, you aren't some filthy rich person you obviously dislike so much but the son or daughter you decide to give it to goes to move in but a heap of squatter activists have moved in.... What do you do and let's face it, who decides that a property is about to be occupied as per your use of legislation once again and yes I do know Scotland has different legislation to England, in Scotland we still have Common Law trespass laws which, though ancient are a million miles ahead of English laws.
Well I have already answered your question and you seem not to have understood. The situations you describe would be covered by the legislation I have already mentioned ie the Displaced Residential Occupiers and the Protected Intending Occupiers clauses of the Criminal Trespass section of the Criminal Law Act 1977. I am sure you can google this and if you read what these pieces of legislation say you will discover that someone squatting in one of the situations you describe would probably get to stay in the property for a maximun of two weeks and incur a sentence of up to six months in prison.
Yes I appreciate many aspects of Scottish Law, not least the freedom I have to walk at will and camp wild in what I consider to be one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
Ok... Sexyslut. You're not a squatter now but wore it like a badge in your first post that you were 40 years ago. Let's say you come into a bit of money, an inheritance or a medium lottery win ( just for discussions sake) you decide to buy a nicer house but don't sell your own yet cos you don't know what you're going to do with it, so it sits vacant for a wee while then you decide you're going to sell it or give it to a relative. So, you aren't some filthy rich person you obviously dislike so much but the son or daughter you decide to give it to goes to move in but a heap of squatter activists have moved in.... What do you do and let's face it, who decides that a property is about to be occupied as per your use of legislation once again and yes I do know Scotland has different legislation to England, in Scotland we still have Common Law trespass laws which, though ancient are a million miles ahead of English laws.
Well I have already answered your question and you seem not to have understood. The situations you describe would be covered by the legislation I have already mentioned ie the Displaced Residential Occupiers and the Protected Intending Occupiers clauses of the Criminal Trespass section of the Criminal Law Act 1977. I am sure you can google this and if you read what these pieces of legislation say you will discover that someone squatting in one of the situations you describe would probably get to stay in the property for a maximun of two weeks and incur a sentence of up to six months in prison.
Yes I appreciate many aspects of Scottish Law, not least the freedom I have to walk at will and camp wild in what I consider to be one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
That legislation also forbids people just walking into a vacant property and deciding to live there if the owner doesnt allow it (unless youre a traveller, in which case you can camp where you like until the owner goes thrrough due process) Ok, you still havent answered what you would REALLY do in the practical example I put to you directly and the legislation you describe, tell me at what point does someone decide that the property is about to be occupied, is it when it's empty 1 month, 6 months, a year......"
This is becoming tedious. I have already drawn your attention to the relevant legislation and even gone to the extent of telling you where you can read it. Read it and all your questions will be answered.
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Squatters are nothing more than locusts who look for fertile ground and then swarm in as soon as they find something they don't have to earn or pay for, but pay no heed to the legitimate owner of a property. They should have no legal rights whatsoever, and even if 12 years has passed and the genuine owner of a property comes forward to claim his/her property he/she should be entitled to it by right of legal ownership. Not some scumbag who thinks it's his becase he's had for x-amount of years. |
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"Squatters cost people thousands in legal fees. Kick them out I say! If it doesn't belong to you then it doesn't belong to you. "
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"Squatters are nothing more than locusts who look for fertile ground and then swarm in as soon as they find something they don't have to earn or pay for, but pay no heed to the legitimate owner of a property. They should have no legal rights whatsoever, and even if 12 years has passed and the genuine owner of a property comes forward to claim his/her property he/she should be entitled to it by right of legal ownership. Not some scumbag who thinks it's his becase he's had for x-amount of years."
Is there any fertile ground in Gateshead?
I am sorry Wishy, but whilst many of your posts in the past induced some respect from me even if I didn't agree with what you said, this one only elicited a loud laugh, so you must forgive my humorous response.
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"Squatters are nothing more than locusts who look for fertile ground and then swarm in as soon as they find something they don't have to earn or pay for, but pay no heed to the legitimate owner of a property. They should have no legal rights whatsoever, and even if 12 years has passed and the genuine owner of a property comes forward to claim his/her property he/she should be entitled to it by right of legal ownership. Not some scumbag who thinks it's his becase he's had for x-amount of years.
Is there any fertile ground in Gateshead?
I am sorry Wishy, but whilst many of your posts in the past induced some respect from me even if I didn't agree with what you said, this one only elicited a loud laugh, so you must forgive my humorous response.
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I wasn't looking for your approval so I don't really give a shit if you don't approve of anything I say. TBH.
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I had squatters in my house as i trained away for a job, came home and some people seemed to be living in my house, one thing was to go to court and wait 4 months until a court said they had to leave, oh and where would i live? Or , i broke into my own house accused them of burglary, went for them as my wife called the police! They are scum and destructive, good news at last that its now a criminal offence, maybe 30 years too late btw! |
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"So people with no home will be locked up at great cost, kids taken into care etc all at great cost, and also fined. Great. It's a great way to solve the biggest housing crisis in UK history "
Bollocks, the above isn't an accurate representation of squatters also it wouldn't be looked on as bad if the fuckers moved on when the owners returned and didn't wreck the joints nor sell items from the properties. |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
I haven't read further so apologies if this has been answered. Simply, yes we do. The waiting lists are ridiculously long for social housing. Some of it sits empty for years while local authorities run property down in order to get it to a bad enough state to warrant development funds. Some people are not counted as homeless just overcrowded. Many are sleeping on a range of sofas in their friends network.
Some of the best neighbours in our street were the squatters. They took on a house that had stood empty for years. The owner, a landlord that had let it get run down, had done nothing with it. The squatters tidied up and made it habitable. They were peaceful and neighbourly. We were sorry to see them evicted.
Wasn't a whole street given to squatters as they had been there so long, the council were not able to evict them?
What makes waiting lists longer is immigrants who are allowed to jump to the top of the bidding list by the local authority for a vacant property, plus £600 to have a tenancy agreement translated into whatever their native tongue is
Do you really believe that? Come and meet some of the families at our local school. Doing low paid, menial jobs that no-one in this country wants to do, paying their taxes and renting one room for the whole family because that is as far as their salary will stretch."
I work for a housing association so its not a case of believing, its a case of knowing. Yes they might do low menial jobs (not all do either) but its a job that a British person should be doing, they are not living in one room either, they get given a nice flat or house. One guy turned up to view a bedsit and refused on the grounds that he was entitled and wanted a house because his wife and family were coming over!! How about they stay in their own country and he pisses off back there to join them!! |
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Maybe there's a difference on how people are treated depending on where they live, but it is my belief that if I needed shelter next week that I could get this through my local council. And I have seen first hand how this works to someone very close to me.
I can't see I would ever feel right entering premises that I had no right to be in, whether that's morally or legally.
So no I can't see why hard working or wealthy people should give way to loony liberals who have been educated primarily at tax payers expenses, to then preach , or attempt to preach in such a condescending way. I would be interested to know how much of their income they give up for the greater cause as they state being rich makes you the scum of the earth. Or are those well educated liberal loons sitting pretty still burdening the welfare state?
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"Haven't seen anyone post today about this new law that will be passed tonight. So what do people think for or against?
I'll start by saying "what the hell took so long"!
I was a squatting activist back in the 70s when the squatting movement in Britain, the Netherlands, Scandianavia and Germany was highly organised. I fully support squatters now as then and have no time for those who condemn squatters as they are in my experience either the rich who believe it is fair for them to become stinking rich by screwing ordinary people with the highest property and rent prices in Europe, or the kind of people who resent the fact that they have to pay such obscene prices and have to work so hard and so long to keep up the payments, and that their wages stay the same whilst food and energy prices rise and rise, but don't have the guts to do anything about it except complain to their friends, and who perversely dislike people who do have the guts to do something. Both types, in my eyes are beneath contempt.
For the record, whatever the Sun, Daily Mail and other such squallid rags would have the uninformed believe, the new legislation does not make squatting illegal. In fact it does little more than could be done under the Criminal Tresspass clauses of the Criminal Law Act 1977.
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So back in the 70s you would have been between 11 and 21?!! Were you a squatters child ?
You are very good at quoting the law, but then again when you enter someone else's property without their permission I suppose you need to be well versed.
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"There is no excuse in my view for any homes being empty when there are so many people who are homeless."
Frankly it's nobody's business why an owner leaves a property empty except his. Leaving something unattended for a while shouldn't be an invite to anyone who wants it to move in and claim it (yes, we're talking about bricks & mortar houses, not an odd bag of shopping left in the street).
Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault. My experience of squatters is that they are usually far left anarchists with an axe to grind against any form of officialdom and/or society, as demonstrated in a post above by someone who felt that the correct procedure to campaign against an electricity company was to go an 'occupy' their offices.
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"There is no excuse in my view for any homes being empty when there are so many people who are homeless.
Frankly it's nobody's business why an owner leaves a property empty except his. Leaving something unattended for a while shouldn't be an invite to anyone who wants it to move in and claim it (yes, we're talking about bricks & mortar houses, not an odd bag of shopping left in the street).
Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault. My experience of squatters is that they are usually far left anarchists with an axe to grind against any form of officialdom and/or society, as demonstrated in a post above by someone who felt that the correct procedure to campaign against an electricity company was to go an 'occupy' their offices.
Commie twats."
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Wishy, this is my understanding of our system too. Appreciate they don't go giving out flats or houses as soon as you walk through the door, but my understanding is there are several other support systems in place, whether that's hostels or b&b's for the short term.
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over a year ago
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
I haven't read further so apologies if this has been answered. Simply, yes we do. The waiting lists are ridiculously long for social housing. Some of it sits empty for years while local authorities run property down in order to get it to a bad enough state to warrant development funds. Some people are not counted as homeless just overcrowded. Many are sleeping on a range of sofas in their friends network.
Some of the best neighbours in our street were the squatters. They took on a house that had stood empty for years. The owner, a landlord that had let it get run down, had done nothing with it. The squatters tidied up and made it habitable. They were peaceful and neighbourly. We were sorry to see them evicted.
Wasn't a whole street given to squatters as they had been there so long, the council were not able to evict them?
What makes waiting lists longer is immigrants who are allowed to jump to the top of the bidding list by the local authority for a vacant property, plus £600 to have a tenancy agreement translated into whatever their native tongue is
Do you really believe that? Come and meet some of the families at our local school. Doing low paid, menial jobs that no-one in this country wants to do, paying their taxes and renting one room for the whole family because that is as far as their salary will stretch.
I work for a housing association so its not a case of believing, its a case of knowing. Yes they might do low menial jobs (not all do either) but its a job that a British person should be doing, they are not living in one room either, they get given a nice flat or house. One guy turned up to view a bedsit and refused on the grounds that he was entitled and wanted a house because his wife and family were coming over!! How about they stay in their own country and he pisses off back there to join them!!"
I have worked for housing associations too. I have also worked in the skills and employment arena. Brits won't take the menial jobs. And, yes, I have worked with refugees and asylum seekers. The families I know have not abused any system and are living in private rented, very overcrowded and expensive accommodation. But I do realise that nothing I can say will change your mindset on this. Social housing obviously means you should take what you are given and be grateful for it or go back where you came from. |
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"Wishy, this is my understanding of our system too. Appreciate they don't go giving out flats or houses as soon as you walk through the door, but my understanding is there are several other support systems in place, whether that's hostels or b&b's for the short term.
I also believe homelessness is a choice. "
It must be nice to still be in a position to believe this. I used to think this too. I was re-educated the hard way. It's very easy, if one does not have kids or a physical disability, to end up homeless through no fault of your own, and certainly not through choice.
I would love to still be able to believe in the "support networks" that are supposed to be there. The reality, however, is harsh. |
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"Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault."
Sorry, but you clearly have no idea about how the system, or these "support networks" actually work.
Genuine homelessness is set to become a much more serious problem as a result of recent changes by the government to the system. The "support networks" are already overloaded and can't cope. |
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"Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault.
Sorry, but you clearly have no idea about how the system, or these "support networks" actually work.
Genuine homelessness is set to become a much more serious problem as a result of recent changes by the government to the system. The "support networks" are already overloaded and can't cope."
Or have closed. Sorry to hear that you have been through such a hard time. |
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"Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault.
Sorry, but you clearly have no idea about how the system, or these "support networks" actually work.
Genuine homelessness is set to become a much more serious problem as a result of recent changes by the government to the system. The "support networks" are already overloaded and can't cope.
Or have closed. Sorry to hear that you have been through such a hard time."
Thanks. I'd love to tell people my story and see how they view the system and the "support networks" then. Though I doubt those determined to think this country takes care of those in need would believe it. I can hardly believe it and I lived through it.
It's all deeply personal though and still very raw.
I also, though it was not my fault in any way, feel very embarrassed and ashamed of the situation I ended up in. And the way people regard me because of it.
I am well educated (and I worked hard for that),I have a good work ethic, I had a good job for a long time and paid plenty in tax. But when I had some bad luck and needed the welfare system, it wasn't there for me. |
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"Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault.
Sorry, but you clearly have no idea about how the system, or these "support networks" actually work.
Genuine homelessness is set to become a much more serious problem as a result of recent changes by the government to the system. The "support networks" are already overloaded and can't cope.
Or have closed. Sorry to hear that you have been through such a hard time.
Thanks. I'd love to tell people my story and see how they view the system and the "support networks" then. Though I doubt those determined to think this country takes care of those in need would believe it. I can hardly believe it and I lived through it.
It's all deeply personal though and still very raw.
I also, though it was not my fault in any way, feel very embarrassed and ashamed of the situation I ended up in. And the way people regard me because of it.
I am well educated (and I worked hard for that),I have a good work ethic, I had a good job for a long time and paid plenty in tax. But when I had some bad luck and needed the welfare system, it wasn't there for me."
Hey I don't read replies with blinkers on. I would be very interested to hear what you went through but respect your privacy and views. Also very sorry to hear if you've had a hard time of it. But my views on squatting remains the same as this creates a problem for another person as well. |
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Incidentally I never have squatted, and like to think I never would. I don't support in any way those who damage property. I do support, totally, an owner's right to their property without spending a shedload of time and money on legal action.
I do understand why some people are driven to it.
Those people who believe there are adequate "support systems" in place for those in need, are not aware of the reality. I wish I still had the luxury of rose tinted glasses. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault.
Sorry, but you clearly have no idea about how the system, or these "support networks" actually work.
Genuine homelessness is set to become a much more serious problem as a result of recent changes by the government to the system. The "support networks" are already overloaded and can't cope.
Or have closed. Sorry to hear that you have been through such a hard time.
Thanks. I'd love to tell people my story and see how they view the system and the "support networks" then. Though I doubt those determined to think this country takes care of those in need would believe it. I can hardly believe it and I lived through it.
It's all deeply personal though and still very raw.
I also, though it was not my fault in any way, feel very embarrassed and ashamed of the situation I ended up in. And the way people regard me because of it.
I am well educated (and I worked hard for that),I have a good work ethic, I had a good job for a long time and paid plenty in tax. But when I had some bad luck and needed the welfare system, it wasn't there for me."
The Sunday Times did a four page spread on how close we all are to homelessness, featuring the previously very comfortable, professional, homeowners. I think it was two years ago now and things have got worse since then. |
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Kinky - are you saying that you sought shelter through the council and they offered you nothing ? No refuge no b&b? Are you saying that you walked away with them knowing you had nowhere to go and would possibly be sleeping on the street for all they knew? |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
This is just ONE actual case. I don't know how widespread it is and there will be other reasons and other circumstances.
Information Source BBC Radio4 Today.
A female teacher was in an abusive relationship. She didn't have enough money for a deposit on a flat so she went to Women's Aid , Crisis , Housing etc .... They told her she was not a priority case and there was no temporary accommodation for her. No children etc....
She stayed in the abusive relationship for some months. She couldn't rent or buy as she was a supply teacher and had no regular income and she couldn't get a permanent contract.
She met a squatter......
At this point ...... YOU CHOOSE."
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"Kinky - are you saying that you sought shelter through the council and they offered you nothing ? No refuge no b&b? Are you saying that you walked away with them knowing you had nowhere to go and would possibly be sleeping on the street for all they knew?"
Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I ended up sleeping in my car some nights, with the Council fully aware of it.
The story is long and complicated. The Council broke housing legislation in numerous ways, and the action over that is still ongoing.
They are so short on resources that they'll weasel out of helping in any way they can and failing that they will ignore legislation to avoid providing assistance. |
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"If it dosnt belong go you them keep out. Them law needed changing and its good that its been done. Homless people is another issue totaly.  "
I realise this isn't aimed at me but I agree with you.
I don't support squatting. I am, however, disagreeing that people are only ever homeless through choice and that the system will help. Those are the posts I'm responding to. |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
This is just ONE actual case. I don't know how widespread it is and there will be other reasons and other circumstances.
Information Source BBC Radio4 Today.
A female teacher was in an abusive relationship. She didn't have enough money for a deposit on a flat so she went to Women's Aid , Crisis , Housing etc .... They told her she was not a priority case and there was no temporary accommodation for her. No children etc....
She stayed in the abusive relationship for some months. She couldn't rent or buy as she was a supply teacher and had no regular income and she couldn't get a permanent contract.
She met a squatter......
At this point ...... YOU CHOOSE.
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Sounds very much like one of those tails dragged out go force a point go me. The fact a so called teacher dosnt have a friend in the world to put her up so feels justifed to think its ok go break in go somenes property is just bullshit go me. |
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"If it dosnt belong go you them keep out. Them law needed changing and its good that its been done. Homless people is another issue totaly.
I realise this isn't aimed at me but I agree with you.
I don't support squatting. I am, however, disagreeing that people are only ever homeless through choice and that the system will help. Those are the posts I'm responding to."
Nope not aimed at you homlessness is a seperate issue. Only a small percentage of homless people squat. Now of only they could channel all the money spent on removing house thieves on houseing people it would be a real result. |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
This is just ONE actual case. I don't know how widespread it is and there will be other reasons and other circumstances.
Information Source BBC Radio4 Today.
A female teacher was in an abusive relationship. She didn't have enough money for a deposit on a flat so she went to Women's Aid , Crisis , Housing etc .... They told her she was not a priority case and there was no temporary accommodation for her. No children etc....
She stayed in the abusive relationship for some months. She couldn't rent or buy as she was a supply teacher and had no regular income and she couldn't get a permanent contract.
She met a squatter......
At this point ...... YOU CHOOSE.
bumpSounds very much like one of those tails dragged out go force a point go me. The fact a so called teacher dosnt have a friend in the world to put her up so feels justifed to think its ok go break in go somenes property is just bullshit go me."
And this is one of the reasons I won't tell my story here. Some people just won't believe what it doesn't suit them to believe and I don't fancy being called a liar. |
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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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"Just a thought.
Squatting in someones home (ie where someone was actually liveing with their family) or squatting in an otherwise empty property. Are these completely different issues?
I understand from Radio 4 news that the first is very rare, the latter describes 99% of squats.
The Displaced Residential Occupiers clause of the Criminal Trespass Bill which was included in the Criminal Law Act 1977 made it a criminal offence to occupy someone's home if for example he was away on holiday.
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does that also include the home of a guy that goes to work at 7am but when he comes home at 6 pm to find rumanian family moved in whilst he was busy working?,the guy found all his belongings in black bin bags by the refuse bin. |
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"I wish someone would answer my question about why people choose to squat rather than go to their appropriate local authority for help?
Do we as a country turn people away that are homeless?
This is just ONE actual case. I don't know how widespread it is and there will be other reasons and other circumstances.
Information Source BBC Radio4 Today.
A female teacher was in an abusive relationship. She didn't have enough money for a deposit on a flat so she went to Women's Aid , Crisis , Housing etc .... They told her she was not a priority case and there was no temporary accommodation for her. No children etc....
She stayed in the abusive relationship for some months. She couldn't rent or buy as she was a supply teacher and had no regular income and she couldn't get a permanent contract.
She met a squatter......
At this point ...... YOU CHOOSE.
bumpSounds very much like one of those tails dragged out go force a point go me. The fact a so called teacher dosnt have a friend in the world to put her up so feels justifed to think its ok go break in go somenes property is just bullshit go me.
And this is one of the reasons I won't tell my story here. Some people just won't believe what it doesn't suit them to believe and I don't fancy being called a liar."
Then don't tell. Show me one person who hasn't exagerated a tale to make a point I will bring santa round go yours for pie and chips. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"too many daily mirror readers on here,i just canot read the rag and cannot stand those that do buy & read the rag."
Really? You actually have that strong feelings to say you hate someone you don't know for reading a newspaper? Wow
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"Kinky - are you saying that you sought shelter through the council and they offered you nothing ?
Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I ended up sleeping in my car some nights, with the Council fully aware of it.
They are so short on resources that they'll weasel out of helping in any way they can and failing that they will ignore legislation to avoid providing assistance."
Years ago, I and my partner had a council house, after we 'split-up' we stayed together as friends for some time. My friend had a complete break down and spent many months in hospital, he was often let home without anyone warning me first and was really threatening at times when he got home.
On two occassions I had to call the police to escort me safely from our home.
When I went to the council to remove myself from the address, I was told if I did that, my incredibly ill friend would be made homeless as they couldn't just remove one of us. 
It was awful! I couldn't do that to him obviously, but the council just didn't want to know and he was in no fit state to sort things for himself.
Eventually my friends family managed to arrange a hospital swop to Scotland where they could be there for him. Just saying that the council isn't always there for people.
As for squatting, I don't know a great deal about the 'rules' but I spent a short time in the basement of an empty house, it was horrible, filthy and scary but I needed to save cash for a deposit to rent anyplace, so did what I had to till I could move on.
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Its going to see a rise in street homelessness as a lot of street homeless seek refuge in unused houses that have been empty for years. We have a huge issue with the lack of affordable housing that is so much in need for people that are unable to afford to rent somewhere.. Of course squatting is not right however to some its an only mean to have "a roof over their head". The government need to invest more in housing and homelessness then it might of seen a decrease in squats turning up all over the country.. Usually by single persons that will not have a priority need when it comes to accessing social housing.. With funding cuts been rolled out more and more hostels and places for single person are being closed due to not having the funding to run the hostels, shelters etc.. When homeless you go to every means to seek warmth and shelter away from the streets.. |
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"too many daily mirror readers on here,i just canot read the rag and cannot stand those that do buy & read the rag."
do feel a bit sorry for you that you can feel that way about other folks view points..
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Well anyone can see by my posts I'm very anti squatters but i would not describe myself as right wing, i see myself a liberal (with a small L) but never bought a daily Mail or Mirror in my life |
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"It never ceases to sadden me how many people would rather step on the backs of the needy just to seem that little bit taller. "
it never ceases go amaze me how people try go insert sympathy issues to twist an issue to make a point. So explain your bit taller part? To me it looks like a sarcastic dig!  |
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"There is no excuse in my view for any homes being empty when there are so many people who are homeless.
Frankly it's nobody's business why an owner leaves a property empty except his. Leaving something unattended for a while shouldn't be an invite to anyone who wants it to move in and claim it (yes, we're talking about bricks & mortar houses, not an odd bag of shopping left in the street).
Also, there is no reason why someone should be homeless in the UK today unless they CHOOSE to be so. There are plenty of support mechanisms in place for people who fall on hard times and nobody should be living on the streets anymore. If they don't make use of the facilities put in place to help them then it's their own goddam fault. My experience of squatters is that they are usually far left anarchists with an axe to grind against any form of officialdom and/or society, as demonstrated in a post above by someone who felt that the correct procedure to campaign against an electricity company was to go an 'occupy' their offices.
Commie twats."
I am sorry Wishy but that is not true, Yes some intrenched rough sleepers choose to live on the streets as its the only way of living that they have become to know.. However there are plenty that have lost jobs, ex forces who don't choose to live on the streets but have been let down by the system that is been set up to help them.. Why have they been let down because of money and funding.. Birmingham second largest city and the largest council in europe had to cut £3.5 million from there supporting people budget so £3.5 million had to be taken from services that are there to support the homeless.. This saw hostels closing and other support services shutting. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"personally if it was my house someone was squatting i'd let them.
I'd also ensure that every window and door was steel panel bolted from the outside while i fed petrol thru the letter box and carelessly threw a match in
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"Its going to see a rise in street homelessness as a lot of street homeless seek refuge in unused houses that have been empty for years. We have a huge issue with the lack of affordable housing that is so much in need for people that are unable to afford to rent somewhere.. Of course squatting is not right however to some its an only mean to have "a roof over their head". The government need to invest more in housing and homelessness then it might of seen a decrease in squats turning up all over the country.. Usually by single persons that will not have a priority need when it comes to accessing social housing.. With funding cuts been rolled out more and more hostels and places for single person are being closed due to not having the funding to run the hostels, shelters etc.. When homeless you go to every means to seek warmth and shelter away from the streets.."
But it won't! People will still squat it only makes it easier go evict. The reality is it will affect pro squatters with jobs who don't want go pay rent others ill carrry on doing as they do .
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"Its going to see a rise in street homelessness as a lot of street homeless seek refuge in unused houses that have been empty for years. We have a huge issue with the lack of affordable housing that is so much in need for people that are unable to afford to rent somewhere.. Of course squatting is not right however to some its an only mean to have "a roof over their head". The government need to invest more in housing and homelessness then it might of seen a decrease in squats turning up all over the country.. Usually by single persons that will not have a priority need when it comes to accessing social housing.. With funding cuts been rolled out more and more hostels and places for single person are being closed due to not having the funding to run the hostels, shelters etc.. When homeless you go to every means to seek warmth and shelter away from the streets..But it won't! People will still squat it only makes it easier go evict. The reality is it will affect pro squatters with jobs who don't want go pay rent others ill carrry on doing as they do ."
I understand that... I have a job and a decent way and I love my creature comforts and I am so glad that I am able to pay for all of that... I have been in desprate times though and lived in shit holes.. However I do get what you are saying regarding those that work an choose not to pay their way... Its called life and we need to pay rent, council tax etc.. |
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Ron, I realise your posting style is a bit inflammatory, and you enjoy making contentious posts on sensitive issues, but on this you seem to genuinely not have a clue.
The dismissal of the neglect of people in need as exaggerations, and the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude are disappointing, although not entirely surprising. |
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I have squatters living next to me , constant loud music shouting at each other smoking drugs openly . apart from that they keep themselves to themselves lol , they started renting a room of this house and gradually made the other tenants move out by said above . Now they don't pay the rent and are claiming the rights ! I have spoken to them and they are doing this until the council give them a local housing association house !!!!! Which I'm sure they will get , meanwhile I will still be paying my taxes to fund their lifestyle |
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"I have squatters living next to me , constant loud music shouting at each other smoking drugs openly . apart from that they keep themselves to themselves lol , they started renting a room of this house and gradually made the other tenants move out by said above . Now they don't pay the rent and are claiming the rights ! I have spoken to them and they are doing this until the council give them a local housing association house !!!!! Which I'm sure they will get , meanwhile I will still be paying my taxes to fund their lifestyle "
Dependant if they have a priority need to be able to be entilted to a house...They might be in for a shock in thinking that they will get a house that easily.. |
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"I have squatters living next to me , constant loud music shouting at each other smoking drugs openly . apart from that they keep themselves to themselves lol , they started renting a room of this house and gradually made the other tenants move out by said above . Now they don't pay the rent and are claiming the rights ! I have spoken to them and they are doing this until the council give them a local housing association house !!!!! Which I'm sure they will get , meanwhile I will still be paying my taxes to fund their lifestyle "
If they had a legitimate tenancy agreement, they are not squatters.
If they leave the house, without having been legally evicted, the council will say they made themselves intentionally homeless and will refuse to help them. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I have squatters living next to me , constant loud music shouting at each other smoking drugs openly . apart from that they keep themselves to themselves lol , they started renting a room of this house and gradually made the other tenants move out by said above . Now they don't pay the rent and are claiming the rights ! I have spoken to them and they are doing this until the council give them a local housing association house !!!!! Which I'm sure they will get , meanwhile I will still be paying my taxes to fund their lifestyle
If they had a legitimate tenancy agreement, they are not squatters.
If they leave the house, without having been legally evicted, the council will say they made themselves intentionally homeless and will refuse to help them."
That is the system. It is legally better to stay and refuse to pay rent than to leave the property. If you are then evicted you will be in the system. If you try and be honourable to your landlord then you do not exist and have brought the problems on yourself. That is the system and it is flawed. |
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So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ?????? |
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ?????? "
Tech no as they would have a tenancy agreement as you said they rented a room. So legally they are able to stay there. It would be up to the landlord to issue them with a section 21 and going through the courts to evict them... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ?????? "
They had a tenancy agreement that they have breached. The other tenants would have to state that they were bullied out for it to be anything more than them occupying space not in their tenancy agreement, which may not have been written well enough to stipulate exactly what space they could use. It's not the same. See earlier posts on the law. |
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ?????? "
Not me. The law.
They are problem tenants, not squatters and this new legislation won't apply to them.
To remove them the landlord will have to follow the legal process for existing a tenant. |
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ??????
Tech no as they would have a tenancy agreement as you said they rented a room. So legally they are able to stay there. It would be up to the landlord to issue them with a section 21 and going through the courts to evict them... "
If they are in arrears and are causing a nuisance, probably a Section 8 would be more suitable, wouldn't it? |
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ??????
Tech no as they would have a tenancy agreement as you said they rented a room. So legally they are able to stay there. It would be up to the landlord to issue them with a section 21 and going through the courts to evict them...
If they are in arrears and are causing a nuisance, probably a Section 8 would be more suitable, wouldn't it?"
Either I guess a section 8 but section 21 are the most common used.. |
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By *af90Man
over a year ago
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The wonders of this forum! I looked at this thread thinking it was something to do with the pros & cons of members who like this particular position, and instead I get to learn about housing laws...ah, wait a minute, I seemed to have forgotten already what I'd learnt about the aforementioned laws, ah well, it was nice to be enlightened if only for a short while.
Anyway, back to squatting; do you enjoy it and how long is it before your thigh muscles start to burn with the build up of lactic acid...  |
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ??????
Tech no as they would have a tenancy agreement as you said they rented a room. So legally they are able to stay there. It would be up to the landlord to issue them with a section 21 and going through the courts to evict them...
If they are in arrears and are causing a nuisance, probably a Section 8 would be more suitable, wouldn't it?
Either I guess a section 8 but section 21 are the most common used.."
If I were the landlord, I would use section 8 as the notice period is shorter. |
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To be honest I think the guy leasing the rooms out was taking cash as he used to call round every two weeks to collect .the police come n go on a regular basis and the council army interested |
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"The wonders of this forum! I looked at this thread thinking it was something to do with the pros & cons of members who like this particular position, and instead I get to learn about housing laws...ah, wait a minute, I seemed to have forgotten already what I'd learnt about the aforementioned laws, ah well, it was nice to be enlightened if only for a short while.
Anyway, back to squatting; do you enjoy it and how long is it before your thigh muscles start to burn with the build up of lactic acid... "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"The wonders of this forum! I looked at this thread thinking it was something to do with the pros & cons of members who like this particular position, and instead I get to learn about housing laws...ah, wait a minute, I seemed to have forgotten already what I'd learnt about the aforementioned laws, ah well, it was nice to be enlightened if only for a short while.
Anyway, back to squatting; do you enjoy it and how long is it before your thigh muscles start to burn with the build up of lactic acid... "
Is that what the new law is about? Thank you. Not very long and I would like to be able to prosecute the torturers that ruin my knees with the squatting.
Seriously, there is a lot of knowledge exchanged on the forums. As well as opinions. |
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"The wonders of this forum! I looked at this thread thinking it was something to do with the pros & cons of members who like this particular position, and instead I get to learn about housing laws...ah, wait a minute, I seemed to have forgotten already what I'd learnt about the aforementioned laws, ah well, it was nice to be enlightened if only for a short while.
Anyway, back to squatting; do you enjoy it and how long is it before your thigh muscles start to burn with the build up of lactic acid... "
Lol  That's what I came here for !! Love having my face squatted on |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"To be honest I think the guy leasing the rooms out was taking cash as he used to call round every two weeks to collect .the police come n go on a regular basis and the council army interested "
Ah! Probably no legally enforceable tenancy agreement. No tax being paid on his cash in hand dealings and outrage that these 'scumbags' are being equally outrageous. Funny old world. |
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"To be honest I think the guy leasing the rooms out was taking cash as he used to call round every two weeks to collect .the police come n go on a regular basis and the council army interested "
It won't matter. If they were there with permission then legally they are tenants whether they had a written agreement or not. The landlord will have to follow the legal process to evicted them.
Of course the Council aren't interested because if they're evicted from the property they'll be legitimately homeless and will expect the Council to help. It's in the council's interest that they stay in the property.
To be a squatter you must enter a property without breaking in but without permission. Staying on after you've had permission doesn't count as squatting.
The police will regard it as a civil matter unless something serious (such as violence) occurs. The police can do very little in these matters and are under-resourced the same as everyone else.
The new legislation makes squatting a criminal offence but won't apply to the people you are talking about. |
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an interseting topic with some good informed opinion..
as an aside did anyone see the documentary about 6 months ago on some of the conditions that some slum landlords are happy for their tenants to live in...
dangerous and squalid by and large..
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"To be honest I think the guy leasing the rooms out was taking cash as he used to call round every two weeks to collect .the police come n go on a regular basis and the council army interested
It won't matter. If they were there with permission then legally they are tenants whether they had a written agreement or not. The landlord will have to follow the legal process to evicted them.
Of course the Council aren't interested because if they're evicted from the property they'll be legitimately homeless and will expect the Council to help. It's in the council's interest that they stay in the property.
To be a squatter you must enter a property without breaking in but without permission. Staying on after you've had permission doesn't count as squatting.
The police will regard it as a civil matter unless something serious (such as violence) occurs. The police can do very little in these matters and are under-resourced the same as everyone else.
The new legislation makes squatting a criminal offence but won't apply to the people you are talking about."
Thanks for the eye opener ! The law seams to protect the abusers |
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"To be honest I think the guy leasing the rooms out was taking cash as he used to call round every two weeks to collect .the police come n go on a regular basis and the council army interested
It won't matter. If they were there with permission then legally they are tenants whether they had a written agreement or not. The landlord will have to follow the legal process to evicted them.
Of course the Council aren't interested because if they're evicted from the property they'll be legitimately homeless and will expect the Council to help. It's in the council's interest that they stay in the property.
To be a squatter you must enter a property without breaking in but without permission. Staying on after you've had permission doesn't count as squatting.
The police will regard it as a civil matter unless something serious (such as violence) occurs. The police can do very little in these matters and are under-resourced the same as everyone else.
The new legislation makes squatting a criminal offence but won't apply to the people you are talking about.Thanks for the eye opener ! The law seams to protect the abusers "
That, very often, is sadly true.
The legislation and rules also make it very difficult for people who have been asked to leave rented accommodation but have nowhere to go. If they leave without being evicted, the Council will say they chose to make themselves homeless and will refuse to help them.
It's the people want to abuse the system who tend to do best. This new law should help property owners a bit, but will probably lead to higher levels of street homelessness.
As others have said though, homelessness is a separate, though related issue. Property owners should have a right to their own property.
I also think it's wrong that Councils can insist people remain in a property beyond the end of their tenancy and make landlords go through the legal process, (which can take 3 months). The costs are usually awarded against the tenant too, often putting them into debt, even though they only stayed because they had nowhere else to go and the Council insisted they had to.
The system is screwed up beyond belief.
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"So , if they are not paying rent - have made all the other tenants move out due to their behaviour and refusing to move out changed the locks and never leave the place unoccupied you say they are not squatters ??????
Tech no as they would have a tenancy agreement as you said they rented a room. So legally they are able to stay there. It would be up to the landlord to issue them with a section 21 and going through the courts to evict them...
If they are in arrears and are causing a nuisance, probably a Section 8 would be more suitable, wouldn't it?
Either I guess a section 8 but section 21 are the most common used.."
Actually it would section 10 & 11 depending on how old the tenancy is if they are assured tenants and section 21 for assured shorthold or private rented tenants |
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A section 8 can be used for assured or assured shorthold tenants in cases where there are rent arrears, nuisance or other breach of contract.
Section 21s are more common though. |
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"A section 8 can be used for assured or assured shorthold tenants in cases where there are rent arrears, nuisance or other breach of contract.
Section 21s are more common though."
ah well we use ground 10 for delaying in paying the rent and ground 11 for non payment, think that's the right way round plus section 21. We use ground 14 for nuisance/ASB |
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i use to work in brighton for a well known landlord and squatters were never a problem or people who didnt pay the rent.
they just went out of a open window followed by their things.
law is always crap when it comes to defending your property or rights and sadly we have all seen honest good people locked up for defending what they have worked hard for.
im sorry but if anyone tries to take away what youve worked hard for then i see no problem in using force to get them out,squatters,burglars whatever.
if they are unwelcome the only way to shift them quickly is to show and use force.
of course id never recommend anyone doing that as it would be against the law unless its reasonable force.
and also you need to be careful because if you cope a plea of self defense but have a baseball bat or similar in a room you will be cautioned for having an offensive weapon.
law is mixed up and with lots of points attached to it do defend the rights of all parties including thoses who do break the law.
i am not in favour of laws and new laws stopping us going about our daily lives but in this case with property being expensive as it is i do agree with a change on the side of the property owner.
however. is locking someone up a good thing for squatting when the prison system is already overcrowded.
also if they are squatting a fine would most likely go unpayed so again the prison system takes them and they are lost to society and may come out a worse person than what went in.
things to considers.
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