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"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?" It should be the same as a motorist | |||
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"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?" Yes. | |||
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"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?" . If it’s the same story I read in the newspaper it happened in East London the cyclist was a Albanian national who panicked as there was something about his immigration status.From what I understand the cyclist jumped a red light hit a 72 year old man who died 8 days later in hospital.Either way 2 years is not long enough and if his immigration status is not satisfactory then he should be deported at the end of his sentence. | |||
"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?. If it’s the same story I read in the newspaper it happened in East London the cyclist was a Albanian national who panicked as there was something about his immigration status.From what I understand the cyclist jumped a red light hit a 72 year old man who died 8 days later in hospital.Either way 2 years is not long enough and if his immigration status is not satisfactory then he should be deported at the end of his sentence." He left his victim lying in the middle of a busy road too Yes I agree it's time to bring in some kind of insurance for cyclists. | |||
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"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue." The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation. | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation." I could be wrong about the e bikes but am sure the way it works is if its an ebike that will run with the motor without peddaling then it needs to be insured if like mine that you need to peddle for the motor to kick in you dont need insurence | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation. I could be wrong about the e bikes but am sure the way it works is if its an ebike that will run with the motor without peddaling then it needs to be insured if like mine that you need to peddle for the motor to kick in you dont need insurence" I "think" that it must have pedals to be classed as an e-bike, otherwise it is an electric motorbike. | |||
" I "think" that it must have pedals to be classed as an e-bike, otherwise it is an electric motorbike." https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation. I could be wrong about the e bikes but am sure the way it works is if its an ebike that will run with the motor without peddaling then it needs to be insured if like mine that you need to peddle for the motor to kick in you dont need insurence I "think" that it must have pedals to be classed as an e-bike, otherwise it is an electric motorbike." some of the ebikes do have peddles but the motor will run without peddling mine is peddle assist no peddle no help from the motor | |||
"It is interesting that a pedestrian being killed by a cyclist makes national news, this is because it is such a rare occurrence." You are right it is a rare occurrence. The reason I think it is starting to make news however is that the massive increase in cycling is leading to increased road tension (between cyclists and drivers _and_ between cyclists and pedestrians) and the increase in numbers means that people are now cycling who wouldn’t have cycled before so the “standards” of cyclists are starting to slip. The _proper_ cyclists will bemoan that (and I agree with them) but these actions will become more prevalent and that will lead to pressure for things to change. The media likes division and will start to jump on this. | |||
"It is interesting that a pedestrian being killed by a cyclist makes national news, this is because it is such a rare occurrence. Of course, it is tragic when anyone dies, especially through no fault of their own. However an incident like this isn't really representative of the cyclists in general. Most people riding bikes are just trying to get to where they are going without getting knocked off by a car. The main issue with trying to "License & Insure" cyclists is that it's not like a car where you can't drive until you're 17, 90% of all cycle users are children... and obviously we are not going to make a 4 year old take a test before they can ride a bike. I am a regular cyclist, I ride for fun and also use my bikes as my main transport to commute. In 20+ years of riding over 100 miles per week, I have never come into contact with a pedestrian. I have however been "HIT" by several cars (thankfully not seriously). I do actually have insurance, but bizarrely it costs me more to insure my cycling than it is to insure my Van & Motorbike combined. Cal" i wasnt aloud to ride my bike on the road ,as a kid until i had passed my cycling proficiancy test(is this still around) and my advanced cycling test, i did all this by the thime i was 6, maybe my dad was paranoid having broken his neck on a bike, and being in a wheelchair ever since, it wouldnt be hard to make those tests mandatory surely. And to the poster who said its so rare, did you not read my op? I think it made the news because of the useless law dating back to a slower time, and the courts hands being tied as to the maximum sentance | |||
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"Its the law that needs updating, to properly punish for the crime committed." Punishments and jail sentences don't prevent incidents, education and laws and proper facilities will do that. Obviously the punishment must fit the crime (Max sentence for death by dangerous driving is also only 5 years), but in relation to cyclists it is really of little relevance considering it is something that almost never happens Cal | |||
"Its the law that needs updating, to properly punish for the crime committed. Punishments and jail sentences don't prevent incidents, education and laws and proper facilities will do that. Obviously the punishment must fit the crime (Max sentence for death by dangerous driving is also only 5 years), but in relation to cyclists it is really of little relevance considering it is something that almost never happens Cal" The law and punishment is crap in this country I think bring back hard labour we have hundreds of roads what need fixing As far bad crimes hanging they will never do it again killing someone by drink driving should be murder | |||
"Another cyclist bashing thread. Like buses these "im not bashing cyclists, i used to cycle alot, cant now due to knackered knees, im bashing irisponsable cyclists and the lack of come back on them, btw i also dont drive a car althought i used to do over 50k a yes in one for work, but ive have more nr misses as a pedestrian with bikes than cars, often them thinking the rules of the road dont apply to them, red lights for instance, im sure you have seen it happen | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue." I work part time in the car body repair business. Some of the damage I've seen caused by cyclists is incredible. Dents and really deep scratches are the main, caused be pedals. Keeps me in a job though!  | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. I work part time in the car body repair business. Some of the damage I've seen caused by cyclists is incredible. Dents and really deep scratches are the main, caused be pedals. Keeps me in a job though! "But has the damage occurred by bad cycling or bad driving? | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue." The electric scooters are illegal to use in public roads and pavements, unless it is registered, and has insurance. So don't expect the majority of them to have any insurance. | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation." All escooters are illegal on the road and footpaths, regardless of the speed of them. They need to be registered with DVLA, also have insurance in place. Electric scooters cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement. Although e-scooters can be bought, they cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement – the only place an e-scooter can be used is on private land. | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation. All escooters are illegal on the road and footpaths, regardless of the speed of them. They need to be registered with DVLA, also have insurance in place. Electric scooters cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement. Although e-scooters can be bought, they cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement – the only place an e-scooter can be used is on private land." I've seen so many on the roads though, I too know they're illegal but it doesn't seem to stop them being used? | |||
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"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue. The maximum permitted speed of an electric bike is 15.5mph. There are various options on sale that are much quicker than that, but they are illegal... which also shows that it takes more than laws to sort the situation. All escooters are illegal on the road and footpaths, regardless of the speed of them. They need to be registered with DVLA, also have insurance in place. Electric scooters cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement. Although e-scooters can be bought, they cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement – the only place an e-scooter can be used is on private land." Except for the places they are trialling their use | |||
" Electric scooters cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement. Although e-scooters can be bought, they cannot be ridden on a UK public road, cycle lane or pavement – the only place an e-scooter can be used is on private land. Except for the places they are trialling their use " Leeds been one. I see lots of escooters about the city. Strangely non of them appear to be the trial ones which are very distinctive in style ond colour  | |||
"In my opinion it should be life sentence not 2 years. Life for a life. " Why should we pay to keep them alive. They have everything they want in prison. TV, dvd, computer single room (Rose West) How is giving them everything they want a punishment a drug or rope is cheap | |||
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"Another cyclist bashing thread. Like buses these " x | |||
"Fuck me, if ever there was a non issue. The alarming,unprecedented, shocking,never happened to anyone multiple times (minimum)in their lifetime revelation that a bike nearly knocked someone over, and if it wasn't for the reactions, arh the reactions which prevent this and being hit by buses etc rarely occur, not to mention cyclists (some good and some not so good) having to swerve some pedestrians (some alert some in dreamland). The fear and vitriol over cyclists is fake, either that or lifes got very dull during lockdown and need something to get jittery about. If feel that bothered protest, just be careful not to get distracted and run over " Im not sure people are getting my point, im not knocking cyclists, well not all, but its happened to me on a number of occasions recently. due to a knee op, im currently on crutches, so moving out the way isnnt easy, and i wait at a crossing until it says i can walk over, i am aware of whats going on, but then to find some bellend on a bike who thinks red lights doesnt apply to them skips the light and nearly hits me as im trying to cross the road. this has never happened to me buya any other road user, cars, busses etc, its always a bike. the roads should be safe for all of us, not just cars or bikes, something needs to be done, as they know there is nno recourse to them, sure most cyclists do obay the rules, but it seems to me that a growing number dont. spend alittle time in any city and you will see it happen | |||
"The justice system is a strange thing as this below shows so don’t go hating all cyclists https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/retired-hgv-driver-who-hit-21054552.amp" Nobody “hates” all cyclists. Cyclists, pedestrians and motorists are not 3 distinct group. I am all 3. People are simply saying that cyclists should be insured and should be held accountable for their actions to the same extent as other road users. | |||
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"Fuck me, if ever there was a non issue. The alarming,unprecedented, shocking,never happened to anyone multiple times (minimum)in their lifetime revelation that a bike nearly knocked someone over, and if it wasn't for the reactions, arh the reactions which prevent this and being hit by buses etc rarely occur, not to mention cyclists (some good and some not so good) having to swerve some pedestrians (some alert some in dreamland). The fear and vitriol over cyclists is fake, either that or lifes got very dull during lockdown and need something to get jittery about. If feel that bothered protest, just be careful not to get distracted and run over " I cycle regularly. And let’s be honest, the extent to which cyclists bend / break the rules is massive compared to motorists (I drive regularly too). Pavement-hopping, light-breaking, yo know it’s true. And the point being made here is that if a cyclist injures or kills someone they don’t face anywhere near the same consequences as a motorist would. | |||
"In my opinion it should be life sentence not 2 years. Life for a life. Why should we pay to keep them alive. They have everything they want in prison. TV, dvd, computer single room (Rose West) How is giving them everything they want a punishment a drug or rope is cheap " So people should be hung for a cycling offence? For a careless, reckless act rather than for deliberate murder? I’m very glad you’re not in charge. | |||
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"It is illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement, but the police in London has decided not to prosecute cyclists in order to help drive the green agenda (google it). It was done a few years ago, but I think they should start prosecuting them again. I got hit hard by a cyclist who had a juice "Fuck You" for me as he disappeared from the scene and I had bruises from getting hit by two others who also didn't stop to apologize. E-scooters only add to the problem, I had one scratch my rental car this week as he was making his way between vehicles. Again, no apology. I would like to see insurance mandatory for all road users and get them off pavements. Probably won't happen until a relative of someone in the government will get seriously hurt or killed by one of those wankers." Things probably won't change until people are getting injured and killed at similar rates to those who collide with cars. They certainly won't change the law to save peoples' no claims. It would only be for safety reasons. Personally, I think that there is a big difference between the guys & gals in lycra riding for sport on £1000's of bikes, pensioners riding their e-bikes too and from the shops, and teens/young adults who want to ride everywhere on one wheel (often on the paths) and expect all others to get out of the way. It would make ZERO sense to treat all of these "cyclists" in the same way. Cal | |||
"It is illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement, but the police in London has decided not to prosecute cyclists in order to help drive the green agenda (google it). It was done a few years ago, but I think they should start prosecuting them again. I got hit hard by a cyclist who had a juice "Fuck You" for me as he disappeared from the scene and I had bruises from getting hit by two others who also didn't stop to apologize. E-scooters only add to the problem, I had one scratch my rental car this week as he was making his way between vehicles. Again, no apology. I would like to see insurance mandatory for all road users and get them off pavements. Probably won't happen until a relative of someone in the government will get seriously hurt or killed by one of those wankers." Prosecuting cyclists pavement hopping... Money and time well spent. We have to assume it was the cyclists fault in all these incidents being mentioned of course | |||
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" Nobody “hates” all cyclists. Cyclists, pedestrians and motorists are not 3 distinct group. I am all 3. People are simply saying that cyclists should be insured and should be held accountable for their actions to the same extent as other road users. " Do you not think that it is crazy that even though there are less than one incident a year where a pedestrian is killed by a bike, and it's a daily occurrence for pedestrians to be killed by cars/motorbikes/lorries, that people are so "up in arms" about this incident? The guy in question was given the maximum sentence that was permitted, which is similar to the average sentence given to drivers who cause a death due to careless driving. Cal | |||
"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue." Accidents involving bikes really do get difficult, along with the frustrating insurance rules. I was in a car with my ex, a car pulled out from a stationary queue into his lane, he slammed his brakes on and missed her by cms but it caused a cyclist to collide with the back of his car. Luckily the cyclist was okay but his bike was totally mangled and there was a dent in my exs car from the collision. The person who caused it all got off scott free as he managed to avoid hitting her. Very annoying. | |||
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"I honestly don’t know whether the abilities and consideration of ALL road users have gone down or whether it is because there are just so many more people using the roads. I do know that I see more thoughtless manoeuvres by motorists, cyclists, mobility vehicles and pedestrians than I did 20 years ago." Agree totally, and you've said in a few sentences what ive tried to say in 4 rants/posts. This is it in a nutshell | |||
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"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?. If it’s the same story I read in the newspaper it happened in East London the cyclist was a Albanian national who panicked as there was something about his immigration status.From what I understand the cyclist jumped a red light hit a 72 year old man who died 8 days later in hospital.Either way 2 years is not long enough and if his immigration status is not satisfactory then he should be deported at the end of his sentence." Just an FYI - the cyclist’s Nationality and your views on Immigration don’t add any value to this topic | |||
"I find solo cyclists on whole are ok but the bigger the group the lower the IQ. Let's ride along this narrow country lane 3 abreast" they seem unable to read the highway code which says they should always ride in single file | |||
"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?. If it’s the same story I read in the newspaper it happened in East London the cyclist was a Albanian national who panicked as there was something about his immigration status.From what I understand the cyclist jumped a red light hit a 72 year old man who died 8 days later in hospital.Either way 2 years is not long enough and if his immigration status is not satisfactory then he should be deported at the end of his sentence. Just an FYI - the cyclist’s Nationality and your views on Immigration don’t add any value to this topic "I mean. Its relevant to the news story that was quoted. Just because others have taken it down a 'all cyclists suck' tangent doesn't change the fact that the original post was about one specific illegal immigrant who flew the scene of the accident for fear of his immigration status and only handed himself in after several police appeals. | |||
"I find solo cyclists on whole are ok but the bigger the group the lower the IQ. Let's ride along this narrow country lane 3 abreast" It is a difficult situation when it comes to narrow country lanes. The "minimum safe passing distance" (according to DfT guidance) on roads with a speed limit of more than 30mph, is 1.5m... so this would suggest that on many country roads (especially with limited visibility) it is "not safe" to overtake. | |||
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"I find solo cyclists on whole are ok but the bigger the group the lower the IQ. Let's ride along this narrow country lane 3 abreast they seem unable to read the highway code which says they should always ride in single file " ...on narrow or busy roads. | |||
"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?. If it’s the same story I read in the newspaper it happened in East London the cyclist was a Albanian national who panicked as there was something about his immigration status.From what I understand the cyclist jumped a red light hit a 72 year old man who died 8 days later in hospital.Either way 2 years is not long enough and if his immigration status is not satisfactory then he should be deported at the end of his sentence. Just an FYI - the cyclist’s Nationality and your views on Immigration don’t add any value to this topic
I mean. Its relevant to the news story that was quoted. Just because others have taken it down a 'all cyclists suck' tangent doesn't change the fact that the original post was about one specific illegal immigrant who flew the scene of the accident for fear of his immigration status and only handed himself in after several police appeals. "The original post was about the the general lack of awareness and Highway Code compliance shown by cyclists. The OP was nearly hit by a cyclist ( who may or may not have been an immigrant). They referred to incident of a cyclist colliding with a pedestrian and going to prison. Being an immigrant wasn’t the reason the cyclist hit the pedestrian…. So it really isn’t relevant. | |||
"I do not understand why cyclists feel it’s okay to go through red lights, I often drive through a green light or run whilst a green man is showing and then have to avoid a cyclist, I’ve had some serious near misses and it’s purely their fault through their choices. Obviously I’m aware other people / vehicles do it but I think cyclists should at least consider how vulnerable they can be and also the impact it would have on another if they were hurt. " This. I see so many other cyclists who think red lights don't apply to them - or maybe that particular shade doesn't suit them - but we all get tarred with the same brush as those arses. | |||
"a cyclist who killed a pedestrian when he cycled through a red light was given the maximum sentance the court could, 2 years in prison!!! I nearly got hit by one the other day at a crossing, he didnt even try and stop for the red light, we only didnt collide because i saw him and stepped back, as he passed me he shouted at me for being in the road, this was at a traffic light controled crossing. since the lock down, many more cyclists are on the road, isnt it time they should have to have some sort of minimum training and insurance?" Heard somewhere recently that the highway code will be changing to give pedestrians the right of way before all other vehicles. Pedestrians Cyclists Car . . . Down to bus, heavy goods vehicle. Etc. Etc. I though that pedestrians always had the right of way??? As a person driving a vehicle powered or unpowered you are responsible to be in control of that vehicle and anticipate other road users. I am a cyclist on occasions and are appalled at how some think they own the fucking roads!! | |||
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"I agree , anything that is on the road needs insurance. What would happen if a cyclist accidently hit your new car and scratched the whole side of it causing £5k of damage? It would be down to the owner of the car to claim of their own insurance or go thru the courts to try and claim the money back from the cyclist. With some of the new electric bikes able to hit some incredible speed it is a serious issue." Most household policies provide personal liability cover, which covered you away from the property for things such as injury or death... so there is cover in place already for this just peoe don't know its there. | |||
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"The only frustrating thing about this store is the maximum sentence. It should be higher and then the judge can decide better what the offence actually merits. 2 years for intentionally running a red light and accidentally killing someone isn’t enough to make people stop and think. On your other points yes there are many more cyclists on the road, and a lot of these Covid-Cyclists lack road awareness or common sense. It’s frustrating but it just means we all need to keep our eyes and our wits about us when walking, driving or cycling places. I’d sooner have a device that blocks phones from being used in cars than a law that reduces cycle use and increases car use. - John" If it had been a car that had passed through a red light and killed a pedestrian, in all likelihood the sentence would have been no more severe. Even though the maximum jail sentence is 5 years for dangerous driving, the outcome is more likely be community service than a custodial sentence. | |||
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"ok im the op, is seems alot of people have missed thr point of my first point. firstly i think the sentance the guy who killed a pedestrian was laughable, that needs changing, and to the poster whos friend was killed by a drink driver, the sentance was also laughable. But my main point is that anyone can get a bike nd ride it on the roads, with no training, insurance, or anyway to really trace them, yes some if not most cyclists are perfectly safe and respectful of other road users, as are a majority of car drivers, but atleast if a car driver breakes the rules or causes a collision they can be traced, and should know better as they have had to take a test, and they have dedicated car insurance, not just relying on house insurance, and dont forget there is no requirment to have house insurance if you dont want to, unless you have a mortgage. I believe a licence system like cars and mandatory insurance, and maybe even a number plate might be a good idea, like every other road user is required to do. then the anpr cameras would work on bikes, hopefully that would help with the idiots, maybe not, just an idea, but what makes bikes so special that they are not required to follow many of the rules that other road users have to?" Not all car drivers can be traced or have passed/hold a licence. The number of uninsured, banned, unlicensed, unregistered cars on the road is crazy. Cyclists are required to follow the highway code just some choose not to. Same as some drivers, some pedestrian etc. The sentencing guidelines for an awful lot of crimes are ridiculous. An overhaul of the CPS is needed desperately. | |||
"ok im the op, is seems alot of people have missed thr point of my first point. firstly i think the sentance the guy who killed a pedestrian was laughable, that needs changing, and to the poster whos friend was killed by a drink driver, the sentance was also laughable. But my main point is that anyone can get a bike nd ride it on the roads, with no training, insurance, or anyway to really trace them, yes some if not most cyclists are perfectly safe and respectful of other road users, as are a majority of car drivers, but atleast if a car driver breakes the rules or causes a collision they can be traced, and should know better as they have had to take a test, and they have dedicated car insurance, not just relying on house insurance, and dont forget there is no requirment to have house insurance if you dont want to, unless you have a mortgage. I believe a licence system like cars and mandatory insurance, and maybe even a number plate might be a good idea, like every other road user is required to do. then the anpr cameras would work on bikes, hopefully that would help with the idiots, maybe not, just an idea, but what makes bikes so special that they are not required to follow many of the rules that other road users have to?" But then again, anyone can also walk, run, rollerskate, or ride a scooter in the roads without needing to take a test either. The reason that motorised transport is treated differently is that they are considerably faster and considerably heavier. The percentage of cyclists on the road that can maintain 30mph is tiny. It is a FACT that the quantity of accidents that involve cyclists is a tiny percentage of those involving motorised transport. The next consideration is the issue of age. Unless you are going to ban anyone under 17 from riding bikes, then how do you differentiate between adults and minors riding? Can YOU tell the difference between a sixteen & seventeen year old on sight? Then the idea of number plates. On a motor vehicle the numberplate needs to be contained within the outline of the vehicle, the dimensions and orientation are important to make it readable to cameras & policemen. This would impossible to do on bikes... can you imagine the carnage a two feet wide plank of plastic fastened to the back of a bike would cause. 
The only thing that would be achieved by placing restrictions onto cycling, would be to reduce the numbers. When you consider that we desperately need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, putting barriers in the way of cyclists would be counterintuitive... and every one of those cyclists you take off the roads will need to use another form of transport, which means more traffic.
I do think it is a good idea for cyclists to have some basic training and insurance, but the training should be a mandatory school thing and the insurance should be really cheap... I pay more for my bike insurance than my van & motorbike combined.
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"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then?" I see a young lad on one most mornings, he is commuting to work. Although totally illegal, he seems to be riding it in a considerate manor without causing any problems. Much cheaper than a bus pass and it actually goes where he wants it to. If people used them in this way there wouldn’t be a problem. Trouble is, some won’t and they’ll all be tarred with the same brush. | |||
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"I cycle a lot and with my kids and we stick to the cycle paths I don’t condone what happened but works both ways especially on cycle paths/ Pedestrian paths, more so when one side says cycles and the other says pedestrian yet how many times I have been on my side and low and behold pedestrian looking at their bloody phone or texting and not looking in front of them, and same goes when am driving people texting or chatting on phone not looking at lights on crossing. So sorry but in some cases it works both ways especially on cycle paths. Think it’s time for an air horn on my cycle so they F move. Had my rant take care on the roads folks." Maybe phone users should be licensed and insured. They cause plenty of accidents, either while driving or walking. | |||
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"Let me help people who are driver's who hate cyclists understand why SOME cyclists ride the way they do. The only way to truly understand this is to ride a bike regularly in different situations and locations. Riding aggressively on the road : Many experienced cyclists understand the way to stay alive or avoid serious injury is to be seen, to explain what I mean it's not just bright clothing or having lights on bike even in daylight,it's getting into a position so drivers see them. Make yourself big, sit up when approaching a junction pulling away from the kerbline so anyone pulling out stands a better chance of seeing you. At traffic lights: In a queue get to the front of the traffic and sit infont of the first car or just to the side,I always look at them and get eye contact and a polite nod. You would be amazed how many people accidentally or intentionally to a left turn directly infont of you without signalling it's a daily occurrence. Riding in a big bold way gets you seen,so every time you see a cyclist it means that it's someone your not going to kill or injure. This doesn't excuse bad or dangerous riding btw. But remember your in two tons+ of vehicle and surrounded by metal the cyclists has only a thin layer of clothing for protection. Jumping of red lights: No excuse for blatantly going through a light, however as above at a set of lights it's about survival for cyclists getting the jump before lights change is sometimes the best option before all the car's and van's blast off in all directions it's as long as the other lights are red then it's just about getting away before lights change. NOT jumping a light ( btw I've seen more car's jump red lights in the last 7 day's that I have cyclists in the past 7 months) I drive a van btw during the week with my job in city centres and rural locations. Cycling in a group down a country lane: Is the issue with them that how dare they be out trying to get fit and enjoy a hobby and hold you up for 30 seconds really a problem,how many people genuinely get held up daily ? Do you get as angry about tractors and horses as you do cyclists? So the simple reason why we rise in a bunch, you try overtaking 20 cyclists strung out in a line and I guarantee that you will wish they where in a bunch. A small compact group is far easier to pass than a stung out group. Most decent riders are constantly communicating with each other verbally giving instructions such as"car back" making every effort to make it as easy and safely as possible for car's to pass. The biggest problem is no compulsory cycling proficiency lessons at primary school, the general attitude of society today " me first fuck everyone else" ho many times do you see nipper's doing a wheelie down the centre of a road or riding no handed in busy traffic. It's about education and respect. But people today are so impatient and selfish that they don't consider anyone else. Car's and cyclists. I've lost a few friends in car accident's whilst cycling, I had many more seriously injured, my son was almost killed by a careless driver who was simply not looking and t boned him,had he not been wearing a helmet.... So next time you get impatient and try to force a rider off the road ,stop and think "would you do this to another car?" Probably not and if you do then you need anger management and probably shouldn't be driving. I've read the news story about the tragic death of the pedestrian and the cyclist got what he deserves in fact his sentence was too short. But you can't tar every cyclist with the same brush same as not every car driver is an idiot, it's all about education and respect. Educate yourself to understand the rules of the road (cyclists and driver's) respect: respect others and act in a safe and appropriate manner everyone wants to get home. Peace and love xx " This | |||
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"Cases of cyclists killing or even injuring others are v v rare. So I don't see how stricter sentences for v v rare cases would make any different. Most riders, rightly, would assume that would never happen with them. However I do see cyclists run red lights all the time. Maybe the way to go would be spot fines from coppers whenever they see that sort of thing happen." | |||
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"Cases of cyclists killing or even injuring others are v v rare. So I don't see how stricter sentences for v v rare cases would make any different. Most riders, rightly, would assume that would never happen with them. However I do see cyclists run red lights all the time. Maybe the way to go would be spot fines from coppers whenever they see that sort of thing happen." My view: Consequences of reckless actions should be punished the same regardless of whether it is a motorist, motorcyclist, scooter rider, cyclist or pedestrian. Also all road users should be identifiable and insured, for their own safety and the safety of others. | |||
"Let me help people who are driver's who hate cyclists understand why SOME cyclists ride the way they do. The only way to truly understand this is to ride a bike regularly in different situations and locations. Riding aggressively on the road : Many experienced cyclists understand the way to stay alive or avoid serious injury is to be seen, to explain what I mean it's not just bright clothing or having lights on bike even in daylight,it's getting into a position so drivers see them. Make yourself big, sit up when approaching a junction pulling away from the kerbline so anyone pulling out stands a better chance of seeing you. At traffic lights: In a queue get to the front of the traffic and sit infont of the first car or just to the side,I always look at them and get eye contact and a polite nod. You would be amazed how many people accidentally or intentionally to a left turn directly infont of you without signalling it's a daily occurrence. Riding in a big bold way gets you seen,so every time you see a cyclist it means that it's someone your not going to kill or injure. This doesn't excuse bad or dangerous riding btw. But remember your in two tons+ of vehicle and surrounded by metal the cyclists has only a thin layer of clothing for protection. Jumping of red lights: No excuse for blatantly going through a light, however as above at a set of lights it's about survival for cyclists getting the jump before lights change is sometimes the best option before all the car's and van's blast off in all directions it's as long as the other lights are red then it's just about getting away before lights change. NOT jumping a light ( btw I've seen more car's jump red lights in the last 7 day's that I have cyclists in the past 7 months) I drive a van btw during the week with my job in city centres and rural locations. Cycling in a group down a country lane: Is the issue with them that how dare they be out trying to get fit and enjoy a hobby and hold you up for 30 seconds really a problem,how many people genuinely get held up daily ? Do you get as angry about tractors and horses as you do cyclists? So the simple reason why we rise in a bunch, you try overtaking 20 cyclists strung out in a line and I guarantee that you will wish they where in a bunch. A small compact group is far easier to pass than a stung out group. Most decent riders are constantly communicating with each other verbally giving instructions such as"car back" making every effort to make it as easy and safely as possible for car's to pass. The biggest problem is no compulsory cycling proficiency lessons at primary school, the general attitude of society today " me first fuck everyone else" ho many times do you see nipper's doing a wheelie down the centre of a road or riding no handed in busy traffic. It's about education and respect. But people today are so impatient and selfish that they don't consider anyone else. Car's and cyclists. I've lost a few friends in car accident's whilst cycling, I had many more seriously injured, my son was almost killed by a careless driver who was simply not looking and t boned him,had he not been wearing a helmet.... So next time you get impatient and try to force a rider off the road ,stop and think "would you do this to another car?" Probably not and if you do then you need anger management and probably shouldn't be driving. I've read the news story about the tragic death of the pedestrian and the cyclist got what he deserves in fact his sentence was too short. But you can't tar every cyclist with the same brush same as not every car driver is an idiot, it's all about education and respect. Educate yourself to understand the rules of the road (cyclists and driver's) respect: respect others and act in a safe and appropriate manner everyone wants to get home. Peace and love xx This" This isn’t about saying all cyclists are idiots or all motorists are idiots. I’m the same person whether I cycle, drive, run or walk. These are not distinct, separate groups. It is about fairness of legislation. Kill someone by being an idiot whole cycling, 2 years. Kill someone while being an idiot motorist, much longer sentence. | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then?" I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. " They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x" Its absolutely not fine. e-scooters are going to be the next big cause and casualty of accidents on roads and pavements. | |||
"Its the law that needs updating, to properly punish for the crime committed." I agree. The technology is out there to record a vehicles sped on a road using GPS, the information can be stored and downloaded at an MOT or service. Then fines, points and bans can be issued. The car, van, lorry and motorbikes will be accountable for the laws they brake. The government hinted at this years ago, but never did anything with it. | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x" They need to be brought into the legal framework for road use. Tax, insurance, licenses, registration, identification etc, accountability, same as motorists. They are not safe at present and now is the time to get a proper legal framework around their use. | |||
"It is interesting that a pedestrian being killed by a cyclist makes national news, this is because it is such a rare occurrence. Of course, it is tragic when anyone dies, especially through no fault of their own. However an incident like this isn't really representative of the cyclists in general. Most people riding bikes are just trying to get to where they are going without getting knocked off by a car. The main issue with trying to "License & Insure" cyclists is that it's not like a car where you can't drive until you're 17, 90% of all cycle users are children... and obviously we are not going to make a 4 year old take a test before they can ride a bike. I am a regular cyclist, I ride for fun and also use my bikes as my main transport to commute. In 20+ years of riding over 100 miles per week, I have never come into contact with a pedestrian. I have however been "HIT" by several cars (thankfully not seriously). I do actually have insurance, but bizarrely it costs me more to insure my cycling than it is to insure my Van & Motorbike combined. Cal" It's not as ta Rare as you think. How many pedestrians are injured by being hit by cyclists who think the rules of the road do not apply to them? | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x They need to be brought into the legal framework for road use. Tax, insurance, licenses, registration, identification etc, accountability, same as motorists. They are not safe at present and now is the time to get a proper legal framework around their use. " e-cyclists e-scooters Should be registered as they go faster than a normal bike there is already a law for cyclists ref Goodwill reiterates footway cycling guidance and Cycling on the Pavement: What are the Rules? | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x They need to be brought into the legal framework for road use. Tax, insurance, licenses, registration, identification etc, accountability, same as motorists. They are not safe at present and now is the time to get a proper legal framework around their use. " If you are on about e scooters, this us already in place. Except 90% of users don't know this, as they are not told when they but them. To use an e scooter legally in public areas, you need a licence, you need it registered, you need insurance. Only thing they don't need is tax, as they don't have any emissions. | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x They need to be brought into the legal framework for road use. Tax, insurance, licenses, registration, identification etc, accountability, same as motorists. They are not safe at present and now is the time to get a proper legal framework around their use. If you are on about e scooters, this us already in place. Except 90% of users don't know this, as they are not told when they but them. To use an e scooter legally in public areas, you need a licence, you need it registered, you need insurance. Only thing they don't need is tax, as they don't have any emissions." The government are going to have to change the basis of car tax from emissions when electric cars dominate. Perhaps then other forms of powered road use can be brought into account including electric bikes and scooters | |||
"What's people's thoughts on e-scooters then? I don’t think that they are safe, either for the riders or for other road users. If they are to be allowed on the road, they should be taxed and insured and clearly identifiable (number plates). If they are not allowed on the toad then users should be stopped and scooters impounded. They should not be allowed on pavements under any circumstances . Apart from that, they are fine. They absolutely need to be made legal! Get some of those cars of the roads!x They need to be brought into the legal framework for road use. Tax, insurance, licenses, registration, identification etc, accountability, same as motorists. They are not safe at present and now is the time to get a proper legal framework around their use. If you are on about e scooters, this us already in place. Except 90% of users don't know this, as they are not told when they but them. To use an e scooter legally in public areas, you need a licence, you need it registered, you need insurance. Only thing they don't need is tax, as they don't have any emissions. The government are going to have to change the basis of car tax from emissions when electric cars dominate. Perhaps then other forms of powered road use can be brought into account including electric bikes and scooters " They already are doing, they are looking at a pay per mile scheme. The diesel and petrol car drivers, get hit at the pump and on mileage. | |||
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"I used to have problems with cyclists when I drove a hgv. They definitely need some sort of training as I have nearly killed so many when they come up on the inside of you. " Some genuinely don’t see the danger in this. Surely if they also drive cars or ride motorcycles they’d understand the danger. Maybe it’s the ones who don’t drive themselves? | |||
