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"It seems to depend on the shop. Asda was fully stocked last night but when I popped to my local shop first thing for milk, there were lots of empty spaces." How strange, this was never mentioned six years ago.................  | |||
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"It seems to depend on the shop. Asda was fully stocked last night but when I popped to my local shop first thing for milk, there were lots of empty spaces. How strange, this was never mentioned six years ago................. "? | |||
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Honestly I haven’t noticed, if something isn’t on the shelf I just change or adapt that week’s meal plan. | |||
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"No panic buying here." It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. | |||
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"It seems to depend on the shop. Asda was fully stocked last night but when I popped to my local shop first thing for milk, there were lots of empty spaces." They are reducing lines, all the big ones are, and shelf life is so bad at the moment often 1-3 days max on fresh food. It’s not going to get better only worse | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country." London being one of them. | |||
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"You should try living in Northern Ireland where most of the main supermarket chains have delisted 100s of lines that are no longer available here and every second online supplier is refusing to deliver to NI. " Not like that here in Derry and Strabane? Always get what we want when shopping. | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them." Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. | |||
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"You should try living in Northern Ireland where most of the main supermarket chains have delisted 100s of lines that are no longer available here and every second online supplier is refusing to deliver to NI. Not like that here in Derry and Strabane? Always get what we want when shopping." That because cross border business has increased by 60 percent and the delisted products have been replaced by alternatives from Irish producers. | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them. Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. " Good luck to you. Co op, Morrissons, M&S all suffering here. | |||
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"It’s terrible over here and has been for months and no sign of it improving. M&S have already said there will be no Christmas food over here. " We must be lucky then? Only thing I find hard to get in Asda is carlsberg lol | |||
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"You should try living in Northern Ireland where most of the main supermarket chains have delisted 100s of lines that are no longer available here and every second online supplier is refusing to deliver to NI. Not like that here in Derry and Strabane? Always get what we want when shopping. That because cross border business has increased by 60 percent and the delisted products have been replaced by alternatives from Irish producers. " Suppose or we because we right at border can go shopping to letterkenny or ballyboffay, but as said not find a problem with what we get except for carlsberg lol at time lol | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them." You are correct there. Some products I’ve took to buying direct from supplier, delivered straight to door cutting out the supermarket middle man. | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them. Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. Good luck to you. Co op, Morrissons, M&S all suffering here." We don't use Morrissons but haven't noticed any issues in M&S or Co op unless is product's we don't normally buy. | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them. Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. Good luck to you. Co op, Morrissons, M&S all suffering here. We don't use Morrissons but haven't noticed any issues in M&S or Co op unless is product's we don't normally buy. " I put co op down to them being a bit shit at times. Noticed it before Brexit and Covid a few times. Then Morrissons were out of loads of bits. Odd things too, citrus fruit, bin bags. It'll pass I'm sure, but it's definitely a thing. | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them. Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. Good luck to you. Co op, Morrissons, M&S all suffering here. We don't use Morrissons but haven't noticed any issues in M&S or Co op unless is product's we don't normally buy. I put co op down to them being a bit shit at times. Noticed it before Brexit and Covid a few times. Then Morrissons were out of loads of bits. Odd things too, citrus fruit, bin bags. It'll pass I'm sure, but it's definitely a thing." I'm not annoying it's a thing its just not something that thankfully has affected us at the moment. We do tend to go to bigger supermarkets rather than smaller places so I dont know if that makes a difference. | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them. Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. Good luck to you. Co op, Morrissons, M&S all suffering here. We don't use Morrissons but haven't noticed any issues in M&S or Co op unless is product's we don't normally buy. I put co op down to them being a bit shit at times. Noticed it before Brexit and Covid a few times. Then Morrissons were out of loads of bits. Odd things too, citrus fruit, bin bags. It'll pass I'm sure, but it's definitely a thing. I'm not annoying it's a thing its just not something that thankfully has affected us at the moment. We do tend to go to bigger supermarkets rather than smaller places so I dont know if that makes a difference. " *denying | |||
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"No panic buying here. It isn't and panic buying this time it is supply chain issues and delivery driver issues which is only affecting parts of the country. London being one of them. Again it must depend on the part of London you live in because we haven't noticed any shortages here. Good luck to you. Co op, Morrissons, M&S all suffering here. We don't use Morrissons but haven't noticed any issues in M&S or Co op unless is product's we don't normally buy. I put co op down to them being a bit shit at times. Noticed it before Brexit and Covid a few times. Then Morrissons were out of loads of bits. Odd things too, citrus fruit, bin bags. It'll pass I'm sure, but it's definitely a thing. I'm not annoying it's a thing its just not something that thankfully has affected us at the moment. We do tend to go to bigger supermarkets rather than smaller places so I dont know if that makes a difference. *denying " Like you say, must be regional. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. " There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last" So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up | |||
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"It's a mixture of the pingdemic and low driver pay. There is no shortage of lorry drivers (75,000 trained/registered drivers were forced out of the industry by employers who used Polish and Romanian drivers to push pay rates down). Employers are now having to increase wages to lure UK drivers back into the industry. Pay rates have increased by about 20% (and that to agencies by 50%) but it will take time to lure the disgruntled drivers back" This is a woefully simplistic and inaccurate view of the issue, as Adrian found out in another Brexit thread. Unsurprisingly, the 75,000 supposedly disgruntled drivers are not just sitting around waiting to be enticed back by better pay. | |||
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"It's a mixture of the pingdemic and low driver pay. There is no shortage of lorry drivers (75,000 trained/registered drivers were forced out of the industry by employers who used Polish and Romanian drivers to push pay rates down). Employers are now having to increase wages to lure UK drivers back into the industry. Pay rates have increased by about 20% (and that to agencies by 50%) but it will take time to lure the disgruntled drivers back This is a woefully simplistic and inaccurate view of the issue, as Adrian found out in another Brexit thread. Unsurprisingly, the 75,000 supposedly disgruntled drivers are not just sitting around waiting to be enticed back by better pay." | |||
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"I’ve just done the big shop and the shelves were mostly empty I couldn’t stock up on the essentials like rice pudding and rice pudding with added jam. I said to the woman at the checkout can I still call this the big shop with only 20% of what I came in for, she said she needed to check the rule book, then her supervisor came over and I asked her, they conferred and both agreed probably not. What’s your view on this, is this the end of days or is this a temporary problem that will be resolved, or do we need to get tins in and start prepping ?!" tin to open the war cupboard of food!! then | |||
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" Suppose or we because we right at border can go shopping to letterkenny or ballyboffay, but as said not find a problem with what we get except for carlsberg lol at time lol" I grew up in Norn Iron in the South Armagh badlands in the 80s, would ofter take the car south to Monaghan to fill the car up for cheaper. | |||
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"I couldn’t get any orange juice, so I will be Deficient in vitamin C this week, hopefully I will be okay. " Yep! No orange juice here either. And no Gu’s!! Devastated  | |||
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"You should try living in Northern Ireland where most of the main supermarket chains have delisted 100s of lines that are no longer available here and every second online supplier is refusing to deliver to NI. Not like that here in Derry and Strabane? Always get what we want when shopping." Shops fully stocked here won’t go hungry ?? | |||
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"I couldn’t get any orange juice, so I will be Deficient in vitamin C this week, hopefully I will be okay. Yep! No orange juice here either. And no Gu’s!! Devastated "Who would have thought that brexit would be soo good | |||
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"Make your own rice pudding. First world problem no tinned rice pudding ! Get a grip man and put it into perspective " I don’t think realise the magnitude of the situation, no rice pudding in Devon is unthinkable, quick, warn the others. | |||
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"I couldn’t get any orange juice, so I will be Deficient in vitamin C this week, hopefully I will be okay. Yep! No orange juice here either. And no Gu’s!! Devastated "Think I’m coming down with Scurvy. | |||
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"I'm off to the shop later, I shall assess and get back to you, OP. Do you want an inventory of what is and is not available?! "Please, it will help fill up this thread. | |||
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"Maybe because we don’t buy processed / tinned / packet things but I’ve not noticed any issues at any supermarket over the last couple weeks. TB" We buy processed / tinned / packet things and we haven't noticed a difference either. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up "I think you need to read my answers again | |||
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"It's a mixture of the pingdemic and low driver pay. There is no shortage of lorry drivers (75,000 trained/registered drivers were forced out of the industry by employers who used Polish and Romanian drivers to push pay rates down). Employers are now having to increase wages to lure UK drivers back into the industry. Pay rates have increased by about 20% (and that to agencies by 50%) but it will take time to lure the disgruntled drivers back This is a woefully simplistic and inaccurate view of the issue, as Adrian found out in another Brexit thread. Unsurprisingly, the 75,000 supposedly disgruntled drivers are not just sitting around waiting to be enticed back by better pay." I think you'll find it's true. What do you think is the reason? | |||
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"It's a mixture of the pingdemic and low driver pay. There is no shortage of lorry drivers (75,000 trained/registered drivers were forced out of the industry by employers who used Polish and Romanian drivers to push pay rates down). Employers are now having to increase wages to lure UK drivers back into the industry. Pay rates have increased by about 20% (and that to agencies by 50%) but it will take time to lure the disgruntled drivers back This is a woefully simplistic and inaccurate view of the issue, as Adrian found out in another Brexit thread. Unsurprisingly, the 75,000 supposedly disgruntled drivers are not just sitting around waiting to be enticed back by better pay. "Do you think we should bring back the Romanian drivers and undercut ..again .. UK drivers? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again"If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers. It's really not rocket science. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science."There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour. Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply. That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand. Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?"I'm not really bothered tbh. However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers. When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?"I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically. You'd like to see that return? Why? | |||
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"I’ve just done the big shop and the shelves were mostly empty is this the end of days or is this a temporary problem that will be resolved, or do we need to get tins in and start prepping ?!" we live at the end of the south west wales supply chain, we are used to gaps on the supermarket shelves all the time. I don't panic buy but I do keep a decent stock of what we need in, it makes sense.  | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?"Nice swerve | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
"How was it a swerve? I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers. Can you answer? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?"I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers? It's a simple question. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question. "I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier. That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues. Do you think it's about race? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?"So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry? | |||
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"I work in retail theres a shortage of drivers we cant get the stuff in and also were short of drivers so cant get the stuff out its holiday time at the moment as well plus people off with covid or been pinged with track and trace " You should really tell the person who seems convinced there is no shortage. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?"The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK. This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market. We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market"And how many of those 465m came? And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad? And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?"I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves. What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m? In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths. Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?
I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves.
What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m?
In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths.
Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards?"You just said 465m could come? So why has the unemployment rate not been 6m then? Sutely they have come because there are vacancies for them? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?
I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves.
What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m?
In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths.
Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards?
You just said 465m could come?
So why has the unemployment rate not been 6m then?
Sutely they have come because there are vacancies for them?"Yes, there were jobs available for them...and employers used them to put downward pressure on UK wages. What is difficult to grasp about that? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?
I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves.
What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m?
In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths.
Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards?
You just said 465m could come?
So why has the unemployment rate not been 6m then?
Sutely they have come because there are vacancies for them?
Yes, there were jobs available for them...and employers used them to put downward pressure on UK wages.
What is difficult to grasp about that?"So maybe the employers shoudnt have lowered the wages? Perhaps you should try blaming the bosses and not the poor sods working to make ends meet? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?
I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves.
What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m?
In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths.
Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards?
You just said 465m could come?
So why has the unemployment rate not been 6m then?
Sutely they have come because there are vacancies for them?
Yes, there were jobs available for them...and employers used them to put downward pressure on UK wages.
What is difficult to grasp about that?
So maybe the employers shoudnt have lowered the wages?
Perhaps you should try blaming the bosses and not the poor sods working to make ends meet?"Who is blaming the workers? You, maybe, who supports the EU which caused this? No, the EU and it's employer and political supporters are to blame for having a single market in labour. Why do you laugh gleefully whenever wages go up ..as they are now? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?
I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves.
What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m?
In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths.
Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards?
You just said 465m could come?
So why has the unemployment rate not been 6m then?
Sutely they have come because there are vacancies for them?
Yes, there were jobs available for them...and employers used them to put downward pressure on UK wages.
What is difficult to grasp about that?
So maybe the employers shoudnt have lowered the wages?
Perhaps you should try blaming the bosses and not the poor sods working to make ends meet?
Who is blaming the workers? You, maybe, who supports the EU which caused this?
No, the EU and it's employer and political supporters are to blame for having a single market in labour.
Why do you laugh gleefully whenever wages go up ..as they are now?"Who's wages are going up? | |||
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"It’s the pingdemic Its brexit aswell " That’s going swimmingly isn’t it! | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-58006669.amp Obviously the bbc and people who actually work in the industry are just making the job shortage up. There is no shortage of drivers. There IS a shortage of drivers actually working after decades in which employers used cheaper Polish and Romanian drivers against them. Wages are now being increased and the industry will move back into balance...much as it may grieve you to see UK drivers getting a good break at last So there is a shortage then? Glad we got that cleared up
I think you need to read my answers again
If there wasnt a shortage of drivers..they wouldnt be clamouring for new drivers.
It's really not rocket science.
There are many trained/registered drivers. 75,000 were forced out of the industry by employers who imported cheap EU labour.
Pay rates are now going up as the cheap EU labour is in shorter supply.
That will lure UK workers back. Very simple economics which all trade unionists and bosses understand.
Do you think we should bring the Romanian drivers back?
I'm not really bothered tbh.
However you seem to have an issue with overseas workers.
When you go to hospital do it insist on an English dr?
I have an issue with employers using the EU's mass immigration to disrupt the labour market and force wages down domestically.
You'd like to see that return? Why?
Nice swerve
How was it a swerve?
I have asked why you want to see employers force wages down for drivers.
Can you answer?
I asked you do you have a problem with foreign people working in the NHS as you do with lorry drivers?
It's a simple question.
I have no problem with being treated by a foreign doctor as you implied earlier.
That you ask such a question shows you don't understand the issues.
Do you think it's about race?
So it's ok for foreign people to work for the NHS but not to work in the haulage industry?
The issue is that any of 465m people had, in the EU days, the right to come and work in the UK.
This unbalanced supply and demand as a single market in labour forces pay levels down to the lowest within that market.
We now have the right to restrict immigration to stop that oversupply.
It has nothing to do with liking or disliking foreigners. It's about rebalancing our labour market
And how many of those 465m came?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt people from here go to work abroad?
And if you are correct ..why do we not have record levels of unemployment?
I've already told you Mr Hutz...6m present this year. They're the ones that have registered themselves.
What effect do you think 6m has on a labour force of approximately 30m?
In fact, I suppose it's fair to say we would have full employment without that 6m. Simpli maths.
Do you think full employment pushes wages upwards or downwards?
You just said 465m could come?
So why has the unemployment rate not been 6m then?
Sutely they have come because there are vacancies for them?
Yes, there were jobs available for them...and employers used them to put downward pressure on UK wages.
What is difficult to grasp about that?
So maybe the employers shoudnt have lowered the wages?
Perhaps you should try blaming the bosses and not the poor sods working to make ends meet?
Who is blaming the workers? You, maybe, who supports the EU which caused this?
No, the EU and it's employer and political supporters are to blame for having a single market in labour.
Why do you laugh gleefully whenever wages go up ..as they are now?
Who's wages are going up?"Lorry drivers ..as has already been explained to you | |||
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"Wtf is the pingdemic ?!" I think it’s a rare cheese from northern France | |||
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"Wtf is the pingdemic ?!" Don’t go there the thread will descend into the dark side | |||
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"Wtf is the pingdemic ?! Don’t go there the thread will descend into the dark side " Mwoahahaha  | |||
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"You should try living in Northern Ireland where most of the main supermarket chains have delisted 100s of lines that are no longer available here and every second online supplier is refusing to deliver to NI. " | |||
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"Wtf is the pingdemic ?! Don’t go there the thread will descend into the dark side " Sounds app-alling. | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future " Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. | |||
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"I’ve just done the big shop and the shelves were mostly empty is this the end of days or is this a temporary problem that will be resolved, or do we need to get tins in and start prepping ?! we live at the end of the south west wales supply chain, we are used to gaps on the supermarket shelves all the time. I don't panic buy but I do keep a decent stock of what we need in, it makes sense. "Yeah I get what you mean. My sister lives on the Isle of Wight and gets a bit extra in for the winter as if the weather is bad and the ferry's can't run. | |||
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"I’ve just done the big shop and the shelves were mostly empty I couldn’t stock up on the essentials like rice pudding and rice pudding with added jam. I said to the woman at the checkout can I still call this the big shop with only 20% of what I came in for, she said she needed to check the rule book, then her supervisor came over and I asked her, they conferred and both agreed probably not. What’s your view on this, is this the end of days or is this a temporary problem that will be resolved, or do we need to get tins in and start prepping ?!" Have you considered makeing your own rice pudding? | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus." What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back | |||
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"Shortage of hgv drivers since Brexit. Long hours and not the best pay a problem that has been bubbling up for quite some time." also many of the EU drivers have returned home so less drivers who will happily work sat/Sunday and other unsociable shifts for min wage .employers now finding drivers want a descent wage for such shifts and who can blame them | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back "The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages? Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages? | |||
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"Still waiting for Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings and the rest of the Brexit gobshites to 'take back control' and sort out all the countries problems...i've just stocked up on pasta and bog roll as its going to be a long fucking wait!!! "That's already happening, my friend. What the EU did was aid transport employers in forcing UK drivers out of the industry and replacing them with cheaper Poles and Romanians 75,000 qualified drivers were forced out. Now we've got Brexit the employers are having to increase drivers pay again. Remainder gobshites, on the other hand, are still hoping that free movement and renewed wage suppression will return | |||
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"Still waiting for Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings and the rest of the Brexit gobshites to 'take back control' and sort out all the countries problems...i've just stocked up on pasta and bog roll as its going to be a long fucking wait!!!
That's already happening, my friend.
What the EU did was aid transport employers in forcing UK drivers out of the industry and replacing them with cheaper Poles and Romanians
75,000 qualified drivers were forced out. Now we've got Brexit the employers are having to increase drivers pay again.
Remainder gobshites, on the other hand, are still hoping that free movement and renewed wage suppression will return"Gobshites
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"Still waiting for Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings and the rest of the Brexit gobshites to 'take back control' and sort out all the countries problems...i've just stocked up on pasta and bog roll as its going to be a long fucking wait!!!
That's already happening, my friend.
What the EU did was aid transport employers in forcing UK drivers out of the industry and replacing them with cheaper Poles and Romanians
75,000 qualified drivers were forced out. Now we've got Brexit the employers are having to increase drivers pay again.
Remainder gobshites, on the other hand, are still hoping that free movement and renewed wage suppression will return
Gobshites
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back
The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages?
Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages?
"Perhaps the bus should have said support Brexit and your wages will rise. After all that is what was predicted and what is now happening. You'd have liked that. Eh, you wouldn't? | |||
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"Still waiting for Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings and the rest of the Brexit gobshites to 'take back control' and sort out all the countries problems...i've just stocked up on pasta and bog roll as its going to be a long fucking wait!!!
That's already happening, my friend.
What the EU did was aid transport employers in forcing UK drivers out of the industry and replacing them with cheaper Poles and Romanians
75,000 qualified drivers were forced out. Now we've got Brexit the employers are having to increase drivers pay again.
Remainder gobshites, on the other hand, are still hoping that free movement and renewed wage suppression will return
Gobshites
Tut tut dear boy
You may have noticed that all the abuse comes from Remainers.
Read the initial comment I was replying to...he was merely being given what he had dished out
Hopefully he may reflect"Fairly sure you are the only person going round calling people gobshites. | |||
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"I recruit for 7.5 tonne drivers, they're like rocking horse shit right now. " Increase wages as other transport companies are doing | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back
The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages?
Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages?
Perhaps the bus should have said support Brexit and your wages will rise.
After all that is what was predicted and what is now happening.
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"Still waiting for Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings and the rest of the Brexit gobshites to 'take back control' and sort out all the countries problems...i've just stocked up on pasta and bog roll as its going to be a long fucking wait!!!
That's already happening, my friend.
What the EU did was aid transport employers in forcing UK drivers out of the industry and replacing them with cheaper Poles and Romanians
75,000 qualified drivers were forced out. Now we've got Brexit the employers are having to increase drivers pay again.
Remainder gobshites, on the other hand, are still hoping that free movement and renewed wage suppression will return
Gobshites
Tut tut dear boy
You may have noticed that all the abuse comes from Remainers.
Read the initial comment I was replying to...he was merely being given what he had dished out
Hopefully he may reflect
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back
The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages?
Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages?
Perhaps the bus should have said support Brexit and your wages will rise.
After all that is what was predicted and what is now happening.
You'd have liked that. Eh, you wouldn't?
Are everyone's wages rising?"The people who suffered wage depression ...such as cleaners, drivers, leisure staff, hospitality sector...yes, on the whole. That process is spreading. Good news, isn't it? | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back
The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages?
Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages?
Perhaps the bus should have said support Brexit and your wages will rise.
After all that is what was predicted and what is now happening.
You'd have liked that. Eh, you wouldn't?
Are everyone's wages rising?
The people who suffered wage depression ...such as cleaners, drivers, leisure staff, hospitality sector...yes, on the whole. That process is spreading.
Good news, isn't it?"We havemt had a decent pay rise in 8 years. Ours havent risen in the slightest. Do you have a link for all these widespread pay rises? | |||
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"So sorry to hear this CityJeans hope you're doing OK? Big shop respect to you. "The worst part about it is I actually remembered my bags for life this time and they come home mostly empty, tough times, stay strong everybody. It’s dog eat dog out there. | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back
The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages?
Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages?
Perhaps the bus should have said support Brexit and your wages will rise.
After all that is what was predicted and what is now happening.
You'd have liked that. Eh, you wouldn't?
Are everyone's wages rising?
The people who suffered wage depression ...such as cleaners, drivers, leisure staff, hospitality sector...yes, on the whole. That process is spreading.
Good news, isn't it?"Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s not happening. | |||
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"So sorry to hear this CityJeans hope you're doing OK? Big shop respect to you.
The worst part about it is I actually remembered my bags for life this time and they come home mostly empty, tough times, stay strong everybody. It’s dog eat dog out there. "That's tragic! You should have had a wank in the toilets and filled them with cum so you looked like you had done a successful big shop. X | |||
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"Not read all the comments so sorry if it has been said before There is a shortage of 60,000 HGV drivers, and it is only going to get worse, they thought the figure of 60,000 was a few years away, but it has hit now. Lots of Europeans who were here doing the job have left the UK, and gone back to their own Country. Polish drivers have gone home due to their own Country booming economy, and do not need to be here getting better wages, as can earn good money back in their own country. Test centres have been closed for over a year, do believe they have opened now. it is also expensive to learn heavy goods driving, there a lot more to it than sitting behind a vehicle and eating Yorkie bars lol. The average age of an HGV driver is 57, and it is hard work. Some companies are trying to poach drivers from other companies, offering cash in hand of anything between £1000-£2000 golden hello, Tesco are offering £1000 signing on fee to join them. Spoke with a HGV driver on Wednesday who just had a 6% wage increase 3 months ago, who said his company are now looking to increase all drivers wages again this year to keep them. Yes the isolating craze has not helped, but the shortage of drivers was always going to happen, just came a bit sooner than expected, and at present not going to get better in the very near future Shame they never put that on the side of the bus. What bus? Did you notice that pay increases are being offered to drivers? It's what I've told you 50 times now. Brexit campaigners said for years that wages were depressed by the EU..and that an end to EU membership would end artificial wage suppression. They are now being proved right. You, on the other hand, want to bring EU cheap labour back
The bus which mentioned the non existent money going to the nhs and the food shortages?
Well seeing as the shelves are empty.. and the shops presumably womt need as many staff..how will that affect peoples wages?
Perhaps the bus should have said support Brexit and your wages will rise.
After all that is what was predicted and what is now happening.
You'd have liked that. Eh, you wouldn't?
Are everyone's wages rising?
The people who suffered wage depression ...such as cleaners, drivers, leisure staff, hospitality sector...yes, on the whole. That process is spreading.
Good news, isn't it?
We havemt had a decent pay rise in 8 years.
Ours havent risen in the slightest.
Do you have a link for all these widespread pay rises?"The rises are going to the areas where wages have been artificially depressed in recent decades as the EU's mass immigration...mobilisrd by employers ..is now slowed down. If you don't work in one of those areas, you won't see the unwinding of that pressure as you never vsaw the winding up of that pressure in the first place. | |||
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" Suppose or we because we right at border can go shopping to letterkenny or ballyboffay, but as said not find a problem with what we get except for carlsberg lol at time lol I grew up in Norn Iron in the South Armagh badlands in the 80s, would ofter take the car south to Monaghan to fill the car up for cheaper." Still is everyone does lol cheaper fuel | |||
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" Suppose or we because we right at border can go shopping to letterkenny or ballyboffay, but as said not find a problem with what we get except for carlsberg lol at time lol I grew up in Norn Iron in the South Armagh badlands in the 80s, would ofter take the car south to Monaghan to fill the car up for cheaper. Still is everyone does lol cheaper fuel" Lifford does 10% discount to north drivers on fuel. | |||
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" Tut tut dear boy You may have noticed that all the abuse comes from Remainers. Read the initial comment I was replying to...he was merely being given what he had dished out Hopefully he may reflect" The irony is not lost on me that i'm told to reflect on possibly the most stupid decision i've seen in my life (bearing in mind Trump became president), and Brexit is great, by somebody showing as being in Spain | |||
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"Tin hat and batten down the hatches time
Honestly I haven’t noticed, if something isn’t on the shelf I just change or adapt that week’s meal plan. "Fucking genius... You must have a PhD in food engineering. Please share your wisdom before the country is in uproar. | |||
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"We're far too reliant on long distribution chains, and have got used to a huge choice of imported goods in our supermarkets. Neither of which help with reducing carbon use." We should all start growing our own avocado's that will sort out the flash flooding problem too. | |||
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"There was no bottles of water at all, now I have to use the stuff that comes out of my taps for free. " It's a fucking disgrace, I can't get exactly what I want, delivered to my door when I want it, and not only that I can't get stuff that I don't ever want and have never bought before either. How are we going to manage? If only I could do something about it I would... As long as it didn't require the tiniest bit of thought or effort on my part or to change anything at all about what I buy. Bloody tories / foreigners / brexit / vaccines / pingdemic | |||
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"Brexit is costing people who import extra now, so a lot of buyers aren't buying as they cannot raise prices 25 % or more as people wont pay it, well not yet until people realise what is actually happening. Using the supply chain as the excuse is just the tip of the iceberg. Imports take longer now, cost more and by some are being boycotted." Wonder if people will buy an alternative... Locally.. Fuck that would be such a terrible thing to happen | |||
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"Good job I grew my own this year. One tomato plant should keep me going till the boats come in. How are the toilet roll plants coming along? " Well now, greater mullein is known for its large soft leaves, ideal as bog roll. I have loads of that growing | |||
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"I'm off to the shop later, I shall assess and get back to you, OP. Do you want an inventory of what is and is not available?!
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" How strange, this was never mentioned six years ago................. "That will be because we didn't know about covid six years ago lol | |||
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"Went to three shops this morning no bottled water …shelves only half full .. " Tap water is perfectly safe to drink? | |||
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"Went to three shops this morning no bottled water …shelves only half full .. Tap water is perfectly safe to drink?" Just had work done in our street .. advise was use bottle water for a couple of weeks …. | |||
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"Haven't seen ay empty shelves when I've been shopping. Maybe it's a combination of what time of day you've been, when the shelves were last stocked and how many other shoppers have beaten you too it. Is anyone panic buying anything at the moment?" During the very first outbreak before the first lockdown I was working 1.30pm till 9pm hearing reports of panic buying but not really paying it much attention as I had no need to rush to buy anything as I live on my own. Then decided to nip into to Sainsburys in Coventry on my way home one evening and was shocked to see the empty shelves that greeted me. It didn’t make me want to panic buy but it does intrigue me as to those who did looking back do they feel justified in doing it, would they do it again and will they own up to it here on this forum. | |||
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"Good job I grew my own this year. One tomato plant should keep me going till the boats come in. How are the toilet roll plants coming along? Well now, greater mullein is known for its large soft leaves, ideal as bog roll. I have loads of that growing "I've no idea what a Greater mullein is... But if its nature's andrex with aloe for sensitive skin it sounds ideal. | |||
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