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"Do people still do it? I haven’t heard a wolf whistle in years! " I'm sorry. | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years" it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things  | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things "Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that. Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual. There are better ways to complement someone! | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!" | |||
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"Never heard of "woke" but after checking Google: "the act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue” seems to me to really sum up where we are going wrong. "Yeah, that's the old person/rightwing definition written by someone very bitter. And this is coming from a person that isn't particularly young or 'woke'. It's honestly such a horrible word which has been abused. | |||
"Never heard of "woke" but after checking Google: "the act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue” seems to me to really sum up where we are going wrong.
Yeah, that's the old person/rightwing definition written by someone very bitter. And this is coming from a person that isn't particularly young or 'woke'.
It's honestly such a horrible word which has been abused."Add sjw | |||
"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!"re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it | |||
"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it"One statue got pulled down | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it
One statue got pulled down"my last count was nearly 30 statues and countles pictures, including a picture of the queen,your point is? | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it
One statue got pulled down
my last count was nearly 30 statues and countles pictures, including a picture of the queen,your point is?"Colstons statue was toppled as part of the blm protests. Other stautes were taken down. I personaly think I did rather well with only responding to that part of your post  | |||
"Too many people are offended by too much these days,the media would have you believe that any white heterosexual man is a racist a rapist a pedo and anything else you can think of!!" this very much | |||
"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it"I get you and I sympathise ( I really do). I'm not going to sit here and explain things to you, but the world isn't going to stop spinning just to let you off in the era you want. I know it seems like madness; just try and be a bit open minded about why there is an issue. I think your viewing these things as an dxtreme view which is your enemy when the reality is the fiction normally sites in the middle with your view. Maybe stop reading tabloid papers! | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it
One statue got pulled down
my last count was nearly 30 statues and countles pictures, including a picture of the queen,your point is?
Colstons statue was toppled as part of the blm protests. Other stautes were taken down.
I personaly think I did rather well with only responding to that part of your post "ok and thanks for not ripping me a new one . but why take them down? mst of those people did something that made this contry the way it is, and yes they may have had to do some bad things to get there, we wone the 2nd world war, but ong think of those poor german s we killed, maybe we should re wright the history books to say it was all settled over a game of chess instead, sometimes bad things need to happen for good things to happen, we have lost sight of that | |||
"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it
One statue got pulled down
my last count was nearly 30 statues and countles pictures, including a picture of the queen,your point is?
Colstons statue was toppled as part of the blm protests. Other stautes were taken down.
I personaly think I did rather well with only responding to that part of your post
ok and thanks for not ripping me a new one . but why take them down? mst of those people did something that made this contry the way it is, and yes they may have had to do some bad things to get there, we wone the 2nd world war, but ong think of those poor german s we killed, maybe we should re wright the history books to say it was all settled over a game of chess instead, sometimes bad things need to happen for good things to happen, we have lost sight of that"You welcome 
I've had a hell of a week and I'm rather tired | |||
"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it
One statue got pulled down
my last count was nearly 30 statues and countles pictures, including a picture of the queen,your point is?
Colstons statue was toppled as part of the blm protests. Other stautes were taken down.
I personaly think I did rather well with only responding to that part of your post
ok and thanks for not ripping me a new one . but why take them down? mst of those people did something that made this contry the way it is, and yes they may have had to do some bad things to get there, we wone the 2nd world war, but ong think of those poor german s we killed, maybe we should re wright the history books to say it was all settled over a game of chess instead, sometimes bad things need to happen for good things to happen, we have lost sight of that
You welcome
I've had a hell of a week and I'm rather tired "kiss kiss then, and go to bed then muppet | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it
One statue got pulled down
my last count was nearly 30 statues and countles pictures, including a picture of the queen,your point is?
Colstons statue was toppled as part of the blm protests. Other stautes were taken down.
I personaly think I did rather well with only responding to that part of your post
ok and thanks for not ripping me a new one . but why take them down? mst of those people did something that made this contry the way it is, and yes they may have had to do some bad things to get there, we wone the 2nd world war, but ong think of those poor german s we killed, maybe we should re wright the history books to say it was all settled over a game of chess instead, sometimes bad things need to happen for good things to happen, we have lost sight of that
You welcome
I've had a hell of a week and I'm rather tired
kiss kiss then, and go to bed then muppet "Not yet, these are the discussions I enjoy, I'm just too tired to discuss institutional racism, sexism and white privilege...besides it looks like Lib has it covered  | |||
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"But seriously, I'm with you - I can't say I know of it occuring in absolutely years it seems like everything is being banned nowdays, and the woke shit has got out of hand, lets ban banning things
Well, I think the issue is that the world has changed significantly in the last 5-10 years and peoole are struggling to keep up with the implications of those changes (myself too to some degree). I detest the word 'woke', it just means that standards are maintained with modern opinion. And it's hard for people of a certain age to change or accept that.
Wolf-whistling... It may only be a bit of fun for some, but it is in it's essence it's sexual.
There are better ways to complement someone!
re your views on woke, i dont care who i offend, get over it, ive been offended by many things and many people, pulling statues down of people etc, juast wrongyes some did bad things, but alot also chnged the world to a place where snowflakes were able to live, churchill for instance, now apparently he was the devil, but he helped us defeat the nazis, so is what he did wrong more important, strong people often have to do bad things, but they often go on to do good, its abit like me not giving you a job because you once turned in your homework late, good people do bad things, we all do, get over it, it seems life has to be perfect to mean anything nowdays, life isnt like that, i wish people would grow a thicker skin and stop acting like children its embarasing, and no ive never wolf whistled anyone, but if i did i would like it to be taken as its ment, a harmless flirt, nothing more, the world has gone pc mad and i hate it"Can you tell me what the word “snowflake” you refer to, means please? | |||
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"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation "It doesn’t bother me one bit , when it’s happened i just grin & carry on , like a trooper I am | |||
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"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is" Bravo. That's the kind of viewpoint I will engage with. A reasoned argument that's difficult to refute. Not blanket namecalling. | |||
"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation "Yes banned. It’s not woke, although maybe you might think it was, it’s definitely not cancel culture, that’s a very different thing. It’s not flirtatious or showing appreciation, it’s sexual harassment. I hope that I cleared that up for you | |||
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"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is" The question I always ask is, how far do we take this? Wolf whistling makes some women feel uncomfortable, so let’s make it illegal. Now replace “wolf whistling” and “some women” with whatever else. Do we make that illegal? I think bringing legality into this is a slippery slope. Some women find guys smiling at them makes them uncomfortable. Do we make that illegal? What about looking at them? I get a little uncomfortable if I have to pass by a big group of lads late at night. Do we make bring in groups illegal? I don’t want people to be made to feel uncomfortable. I’ve never once in my life even considered wolf whistling at someone. But at the same time, isn’t everyone in some way responsible for their own feelings? I understand how targeted, repeated things can fall under harassment, but if a guy whistles at you on your way home and you feel uncomfortable and that’s the end of it. Do we bring the law into that? It’s always gonna fall back to the same thing for me. How far do we take this? Where does this slippery slope take us? Are we really helping women feel safer despite being far safer than pretty much any demographic out there? Or are we slowly slipping into a 1984ish social interaction time line where you can go to prison for looking at someone. | |||
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"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is" Tea monkey had just been added to my hot list  | |||
"Just waiting for "they'll ban flirting next". Well no, because unlike wolf whistling, flirting is two-way and consensual. If it's not like that, it isn't flirting, it's hassling. " So when do you know it’s flirting and not just having conversation? Does she start first ? Then maybe the man didn’t want to and shout sexual harassment | |||
"Make me smile when men on here knows what’s best for women or what they feel ? " It's not that though. It's men who actually listen to women (not all as is obvious from some replies above) and recognise that many experience it as harassment. I haven't seen anybody white-knighting from the anti-whistling side here, just reasonable decency. | |||
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"So when do you know it’s flirting and not just having conversation? Does she start first ? Then maybe the man didn’t want to and shout sexual harassment "It's like the difference between art and porn, you can't easily describe it but you know what it is. I'm not here to give anybody flirting lessons. You either have it or you don't. | |||
"So when do you know it’s flirting and not just having conversation? Does she start first ? Then maybe the man didn’t want to and shout sexual harassment
It's like the difference between art and porn, you can't easily describe it but you know what it is. I'm not here to give anybody flirting lessons. You either have it or you don't. "That’ll hold up in a court of law. It’s either illegal or not, you just kinda know what it is | |||
"So when do you know it’s flirting and not just having conversation? Does she start first ? Then maybe the man didn’t want to and shout sexual harassment
It's like the difference between art and porn, you can't easily describe it but you know what it is. I'm not here to give anybody flirting lessons. You either have it or you don't. "You see that’s where you are wrong. Your perception is not someone else…. And I don’t need any lesson from you tbh… we have different very different interest | |||
"Make me smile when men on here knows what’s best for women or what they feel ? It's not that though. It's men who actually listen to women (not all as is obvious from some replies above) and recognise that many experience it as harassment. I haven't seen anybody white-knighting from the anti-whistling side here, just reasonable decency. " All I am hearing it’s a different opinion from women themselves…. I don’t make it a generalisation! If they don’t like it then make it a national vote about it then will see the right and proper census about it. | |||
"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is The question I always ask is, how far do we take this? Wolf whistling makes some women feel uncomfortable, so let’s make it illegal. Now replace “wolf whistling” and “some women” with whatever else. Do we make that illegal? I think bringing legality into this is a slippery slope. Some women find guys smiling at them makes them uncomfortable. Do we make that illegal? What about looking at them? I get a little uncomfortable if I have to pass by a big group of lads late at night. Do we make bring in groups illegal? I don’t want people to be made to feel uncomfortable. I’ve never once in my life even considered wolf whistling at someone. But at the same time, isn’t everyone in some way responsible for their own feelings? I understand how targeted, repeated things can fall under harassment, but if a guy whistles at you on your way home and you feel uncomfortable and that’s the end of it. Do we bring the law into that? It’s always gonna fall back to the same thing for me. How far do we take this? Where does this slippery slope take us? Are we really helping women feel safer despite being far safer than pretty much any demographic out there? Or are we slowly slipping into a 1984ish social interaction time line where you can go to prison for looking at someone." The point is that women aren’t far safer, I’m interested to see how you work that out. I see your point regarding feeling intimidated, the difference is are this group of lads making sexual comments about you or just minding their own business? It’s not just about owning our own reactions, it’s about not impressing our wants and needs onto another’s body. Cat calling or wolf whistling is sexualising someone against their wishes, it’s making sexual claims about a person when they don’t want to. Why should the recipient have to just deal with that? I understand that the idea of policing it is hard, especially when assault prosecution is at an all time low but I think that the law is about reframing attitudes and legislating the change. The extremist reaction is always “well guys can’t do anything, then,” which simply isn’t true. | |||
"Make me smile when men on here knows what’s best for women or what they feel ? It's not that though. It's men who actually listen to women (not all as is obvious from some replies above) and recognise that many experience it as harassment. I haven't seen anybody white-knighting from the anti-whistling side here, just reasonable decency. All I am hearing it’s a different opinion from women themselves…. I don’t make it a generalisation! If they don’t like it then make it a national vote about it then will see the right and proper census about it. " It’s already been discussed for years, if you haven’t heard the discussion, that’s on you. | |||
"That’ll hold up in a court of law. It’s either illegal or not, you just kinda know what it is " I think a lot of this is about reframing the public discourse rather than simply saying lock up all wolf-whistlers. Defining what is and isn't acceptable. Give you another example. Dangerous driving is technically illegal. But unless it results in a crash it's virtually impossible to prosecute. So the twat who looked out of his side window, saw me and still pulled across in front of me the other day, requiring my ABS to kick in, he should have his licence taken off him, but prosecuting that needs video evidence and the will of the police to take it to court, so we shrug it off. | |||
"Make me smile when men on here knows what’s best for women or what they feel ? " It makes me shake my head when men on here ignore women when they say what they want and argue with them | |||
"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is" Talking sense as usual TM. Well said. | |||
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"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is The question I always ask is, how far do we take this? Wolf whistling makes some women feel uncomfortable, so let’s make it illegal. Now replace “wolf whistling” and “some women” with whatever else. Do we make that illegal? I think bringing legality into this is a slippery slope. Some women find guys smiling at them makes them uncomfortable. Do we make that illegal? What about looking at them? I get a little uncomfortable if I have to pass by a big group of lads late at night. Do we make bring in groups illegal? I don’t want people to be made to feel uncomfortable. I’ve never once in my life even considered wolf whistling at someone. But at the same time, isn’t everyone in some way responsible for their own feelings? I understand how targeted, repeated things can fall under harassment, but if a guy whistles at you on your way home and you feel uncomfortable and that’s the end of it. Do we bring the law into that? It’s always gonna fall back to the same thing for me. How far do we take this? Where does this slippery slope take us? Are we really helping women feel safer despite being far safer than pretty much any demographic out there? Or are we slowly slipping into a 1984ish social interaction time line where you can go to prison for looking at someone. The point is that women aren’t far safer, I’m interested to see how you work that out. I see your point regarding feeling intimidated, the difference is are this group of lads making sexual comments about you or just minding their own business? It’s not just about owning our own reactions, it’s about not impressing our wants and needs onto another’s body. Cat calling or wolf whistling is sexualising someone against their wishes, it’s making sexual claims about a person when they don’t want to. Why should the recipient have to just deal with that? I understand that the idea of policing it is hard, especially when assault prosecution is at an all time low but I think that the law is about reframing attitudes and legislating the change. The extremist reaction is always “well guys can’t do anything, then,” which simply isn’t true. " The vast majority of murders are men The vast majority of violent attacks are men And the vast amount of violent attacks / murders against women is carried out by someone they know So overall women are far safer than men when walking the street. And even more so when we think of stranger danger type crimes. And if we look at the workplace, men make up the vast majority of workplace deaths and accidents. We can without a doubt say that when it comes to real physical danger, men are far more at risk in most categories I see a lot of your points, but like I says, I can’t see where this goes. The whole “this makes me uncomfortable so let’s make it illegal” seems like a path that could lead somewhere nasty | |||
" The whole “this makes me uncomfortable so let’s make it illegal” seems like a path that could lead somewhere nasty " Or men that do it could just stop it How simple would that be? | |||
" The whole “this makes me uncomfortable so let’s make it illegal” seems like a path that could lead somewhere nasty Or men that do it could just stop it How simple would that be?" Absolutely, I don’t think anyone’s debating that. Guys, and girls, don’t do things that make others feel uncomfortable I’m discussing the legality of it and where that’s leads | |||
"It’s a tricky situation Some girls/women enjoy is for the attention Myself I can’t stand it. I’m not some piece of meat to ogle over. Get back to work lol Mrs x" I assume thats a joke comment ? Just looked at ur profile ...phwoaaaar, twiiit twoooooo X | |||
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" The whole “this makes me uncomfortable so let’s make it illegal” seems like a path that could lead somewhere nasty Or men that do it could just stop it How simple would that be? Absolutely, I don’t think anyone’s debating that. Guys, and girls, don’t do things that make others feel uncomfortable I’m discussing the legality of it and where that’s leads " People are debating that though, the whole point of the OP is that people are debating it. Yes, you’re debating the legality of it and I do see your points. I’m not sure how it’s going to be enforced, I think that in this case, it’s the law making a stance regarding harassment and problematic behaviours, which it’s never done before. | |||
"I wonder will this be applied to women wolf whistling men?" It should apply to all genders if they decide to bring it in. Some female group behaviour is atrocious | |||
"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation "dont jump me, but I wolf whistled a guy the other day | |||
"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation dont jump me, but I wolf whistled a guy the other day "Did he phone the police | |||
" The whole “this makes me uncomfortable so let’s make it illegal” seems like a path that could lead somewhere nasty Or men that do it could just stop it How simple would that be? Absolutely, I don’t think anyone’s debating that. Guys, and girls, don’t do things that make others feel uncomfortable I’m discussing the legality of it and where that’s leads People are debating that though, the whole point of the OP is that people are debating it. Yes, you’re debating the legality of it and I do see your points. I’m not sure how it’s going to be enforced, I think that in this case, it’s the law making a stance regarding harassment and problematic behaviours, which it’s never done before. " It’s truly sad to think that anyone needs to discuss whether making someone feel uncomfortable or not is ok or not. It’s clearly not But I’m extremely liberal in my views on free speech, so I’m always gonna side of not bringing the law into these kinda things. | |||
"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation dont jump me, but I wolf whistled a guy the other day
Did he phone the police "No, he blew me a kiss, we both laughed and moved on with our day | |||
"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation dont jump me, but I wolf whistled a guy the other day
Did he phone the police
No, he blew me a kiss, we both laughed and moved on with our day "Who doesn't like a happy ending | |||
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"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation dont jump me, but I wolf whistled a guy the other day
Did he phone the police
No, he blew me a kiss, we both laughed and moved on with our day
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"Wolf whistling shows an attitude or a perception of women that is unacceptable and can be intimidating. When I'm out running, I want to be perceived as an athlete - because that's what I am. I get smiles and words of encouragement. But in that situation, I have also had wolf whistles and it makes me feel intimidated and vulnerable because the man whistling just sees me as a sexual object. He doesn't care if I like him or want to flirt. And that makes me uncomfortable. I doubt anyone will actually be locked up over it but if it helps to shift attitudes then that's a good thing. " Totally agree with this.. it’s unwanted attention, and I said on a previous post, what’s wrong with a smile and a wink or even just pay a compliment… The whole whistling/cat calling etc is what actually puts my defences up. And noises like that belong in a zoo… I’m not against it from someone you know obviously, but its a different mind set really when its from someone you clearly know. | |||
"FYI it's been banned on building site's for many years now and most site's operate a zero tolerance policy resulting in immediate dismissal. So it's not all hair arses builders doing it. Not all us in the construction industry are Neanderthals. " Then this should be more than enough anyway, like there’s no need to get in the legality when it’s impossible to police anyway. | |||
"Wolf whistling shows an attitude or a perception of women that is unacceptable and can be intimidating. When I'm out running, I want to be perceived as an athlete - because that's what I am. I get smiles and words of encouragement. But in that situation, I have also had wolf whistles and it makes me feel intimidated and vulnerable because the man whistling just sees me as a sexual object. He doesn't care if I like him or want to flirt. And that makes me uncomfortable. I doubt anyone will actually be locked up over it but if it helps to shift attitudes then that's a good thing. Totally agree with this.. it’s unwanted attention, and I said on a previous post, what’s wrong with a smile and a wink or even just pay a compliment… The whole whistling/cat calling etc is what actually puts my defences up. And noises like that belong in a zoo… I’m not against it from someone you know obviously, but its a different mind set really when its from someone you clearly know. " I think the issue your missing is perception. What about if someone loves a wolf whistle but hates a wink and a smile? What if they hate being paid a compliment? That’s why these issues are so difficult and why being legality into it makes it so unusual. Whether someone is a sexual predator or not, in the eyes of the law, should never fall under one persons perception. Because a guy might wolf whistle, and you hate that, but maybe he was aiming it another girl that loves it. Do we still prosecute him? Or maybe a hot guy gives you a little wink and a cheeky smile, and you absolutely melt, but the woman behind you takes offence. Is he a sexual predator now? I’m all for changing public attitudes to this kinda stuff. Because guy, guess what, if you just approach a woman and say “wow you look gorgeous I just had to say hi” your success rate is going to be a million times higher than just wolf whistling. But if we bring legality into it, and the whole “I felt uncomfortable so make it illegal” ship keeps sailing, eventually a woman will feel uncomfortable with a guy saying hi, and then that’s illegal. Eventually this kinda thinking leads to a world where we need to express consent in written form to ask someone the time. And if you don’t think it’s already heading that way, you’d be wrong. There’s already 2 universities in London that have made any kind of physical contact without written consent a punishable offence. | |||
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"Wolf whistling shows an attitude or a perception of women that is unacceptable and can be intimidating. When I'm out running, I want to be perceived as an athlete - because that's what I am. I get smiles and words of encouragement. But in that situation, I have also had wolf whistles and it makes me feel intimidated and vulnerable because the man whistling just sees me as a sexual object. He doesn't care if I like him or want to flirt. And that makes me uncomfortable. I doubt anyone will actually be locked up over it but if it helps to shift attitudes then that's a good thing. Totally agree with this.. it’s unwanted attention, and I said on a previous post, what’s wrong with a smile and a wink or even just pay a compliment… The whole whistling/cat calling etc is what actually puts my defences up. And noises like that belong in a zoo… I’m not against it from someone you know obviously, but its a different mind set really when its from someone you clearly know. I think the issue your missing is perception. What about if someone loves a wolf whistle but hates a wink and a smile? What if they hate being paid a compliment? That’s why these issues are so difficult and why being legality into it makes it so unusual. Whether someone is a sexual predator or not, in the eyes of the law, should never fall under one persons perception. Because a guy might wolf whistle, and you hate that, but maybe he was aiming it another girl that loves it. Do we still prosecute him? Or maybe a hot guy gives you a little wink and a cheeky smile, and you absolutely melt, but the woman behind you takes offence. Is he a sexual predator now? I’m all for changing public attitudes to this kinda stuff. Because guy, guess what, if you just approach a woman and say “wow you look gorgeous I just had to say hi” your success rate is going to be a million times higher than just wolf whistling. But if we bring legality into it, and the whole “I felt uncomfortable so make it illegal” ship keeps sailing, eventually a woman will feel uncomfortable with a guy saying hi, and then that’s illegal. Eventually this kinda thinking leads to a world where we need to express consent in written form to ask someone the time. And if you don’t think it’s already heading that way, you’d be wrong. There’s already 2 universities in London that have made any kind of physical contact without written consent a punishable offence. " I said just my opinion of how i perceive noises because I think it is perceived like it’s sexualising somebody. A smile isn’t perceived as sexualising or objectifying, same as paying a compliment. But I can’t speak for everyone obviously. I agreed tho to say that making it illegal seem to be OTT and probably unpoliceable anyway. So what’s the point? | |||
"Do people still do it? I haven’t heard a wolf whistle in years! " You should come for a jog with me it’s relentless honestly | |||
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"There is a difference between a smile and a wink and a wolf whistle. I have been harassed countless times by men and it affects how I use public spaces - I tell my neighbour when I'm running in the evening, wear bright clothes, carry an alarm. Gender inequality is a real thing and anything that addresses that is a win in my book. " Oh 100% they are not the same (a smile/wink to whistles), it’s a totally different approach and can’t believe that some people think still that it’s like paying a compliment (unless of course, it’s done by someone you know then it’s cheek in tongue fun) It is code signaling | |||
"Do people still do it? I haven’t heard a wolf whistle in years! You should come for a jog with me it’s relentless honestly "Haha I can vouch, I’ve whistled you before too u cheeky | |||
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"There is a difference between a smile and a wink and a wolf whistle. I have been harassed countless times by men and it affects how I use public spaces - I tell my neighbour when I'm running in the evening, wear bright clothes, carry an alarm. Gender inequality is a real thing and anything that addresses that is a win in my book. " I completely understand that it’s human nature to look at what we are attracted to like an uncontrollable reaction it’s part of being a human being it’s not some we decide or control, However that initial look is all that comes naturally and instinctively after that it’s all a choice, I find it really sad and disturbing when I read just how bad this makes people feel, it’s shocking really. | |||
"Do people still do it? I haven’t heard a wolf whistle in years! You should come for a jog with me it’s relentless honestly
Haha I can vouch, I’ve whistled you before too u cheeky "When I was jogging on the spot in front of you doesn’t count | |||
"A woman asked me why I didn't have shorts on the other day, is that the same "Depends if you had any clothes on at the time | |||
"A woman asked me why I didn't have shorts on the other day, is that the same
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"A woman asked me why I didn't have shorts on the other day, is that the same
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"Wolf whistling shows an attitude or a perception of women that is unacceptable and can be intimidating. When I'm out running, I want to be perceived as an athlete - because that's what I am. I get smiles and words of encouragement. But in that situation, I have also had wolf whistles and it makes me feel intimidated and vulnerable because the man whistling just sees me as a sexual object. He doesn't care if I like him or want to flirt. And that makes me uncomfortable. I doubt anyone will actually be locked up over it but if it helps to shift attitudes then that's a good thing. Totally agree with this.. it’s unwanted attention, and I said on a previous post, what’s wrong with a smile and a wink or even just pay a compliment… The whole whistling/cat calling etc is what actually puts my defences up. And noises like that belong in a zoo… I’m not against it from someone you know obviously, but its a different mind set really when its from someone you clearly know. I think the issue your missing is perception. What about if someone loves a wolf whistle but hates a wink and a smile? What if they hate being paid a compliment? That’s why these issues are so difficult and why being legality into it makes it so unusual. Whether someone is a sexual predator or not, in the eyes of the law, should never fall under one persons perception. Because a guy might wolf whistle, and you hate that, but maybe he was aiming it another girl that loves it. Do we still prosecute him? Or maybe a hot guy gives you a little wink and a cheeky smile, and you absolutely melt, but the woman behind you takes offence. Is he a sexual predator now? I’m all for changing public attitudes to this kinda stuff. Because guy, guess what, if you just approach a woman and say “wow you look gorgeous I just had to say hi” your success rate is going to be a million times higher than just wolf whistling. But if we bring legality into it, and the whole “I felt uncomfortable so make it illegal” ship keeps sailing, eventually a woman will feel uncomfortable with a guy saying hi, and then that’s illegal. Eventually this kinda thinking leads to a world where we need to express consent in written form to ask someone the time. And if you don’t think it’s already heading that way, you’d be wrong. There’s already 2 universities in London that have made any kind of physical contact without written consent a punishable offence. " A whistle isn’t the same though is it? It’s loud, others can hear it, it draws attention to you, which adds to the embarrassment. It is sexualising a person and a smile does not do that in any way. I don’t know about these universities but I suspect that must be about protecting everyone. There are so many stories of young women not being taken seriously when they are assaulted that they may have felt this was the safest way whilst young people are attending their Uni. It wouldn’t fall under one persons perception though. Growing numbers are fighting against this being acceptable. It’s an age old historic thing and it doesn’t make it right to continue to accept it. If it objectifies or sexualises a person then it has to be wrong to do it. If a 50 year old man whistles at a 15 year old girl, that is wrong. No two ways about it, it’s not a matter of perception. I think to confuse a smile with a whistle is a mistake and if people can’t see it then it explains why whistling still happens. | |||
"Horrible practice...especially when done to young teenagers or young women walking alone. It can be scary not sexy" My daughter wants to continue jogging but she can’t anymore because she feels so uncomfortable and intimated at times. She has gone from wearing normal training gear to wearing the baggiest t-shirt and joggers in a hope it stops, but it doesn’t stop it. It’s not the young lads that are doing it, it’s older men. I don’t want my child to feel this way no matter what age she is. Ultimately, it is about one person feeling like they have a right to do anything that they enjoy, even if it is at someone else’s expense. It has to change and people have to do better. | |||
"Make me smile when men on here knows what’s best for women or what they feel ? It's not that though. It's men who actually listen to women (not all as is obvious from some replies above) and recognise that many experience it as harassment. I haven't seen anybody white-knighting from the anti-whistling side here, just reasonable decency. " Emotional intelligence and the capacity to critically think | |||
"Should it be banned and made a criminal offence. Personally I think the woke cancel culture has gone far too far. Whatever happened to a bit of flirting and appreciation "Should it be criminalised? That's a hard one, the standard of proof would be rediculous and there is a question on how far you limit freedom of expression. Do I think it should be disapproved of then yes, but I just don't like banning things. For example a wolf whistle rings out, the police are called. Police;did you wolf whistle that lady? Accused: no I was looking at a stunning pic on my phone and was just expressing myself openly. Could anyone convict beyond a reasonable doubt? There is always right and wrong but this differs from what is legal or illegal. Most people would say cheating in a committed relationship is wrong, but would you make it illegal? Lying is wrong, but should it be illegal? Id much rather it was looked down on by society rather than becoming an unenforceable law that impacts the freedom of expression. Should we have rights not to be offended? How far should that go? What if i see an outfit that offends can i get that banned? Its a careful balancing act between freedom of expression and the right not to be harassed. Of course there are people who would like a wolf whistle in their direction, but I see no one stopping them wearing a t-shirt with the words Wolf whistles welcome In large letters. | |||
"The good thing about threads like these is they make people show their true colours fast so I can decide who's not worth my reading time. The second I hear "woke", "get over it" or "snowflake" I know this is somebody not worth a nanosecond more of my time. Sure we all have opinions and they're all equally valid, to ourselves and our echo chambers, but damned if I'll bother engaging with certain opinions, because you cannot argue with a closed mind. I know, I engaged, but now I'm out "
Thing is this is a snap shot of society, this is why I think these discussions are relevant in forums. The clue is in the title 'forum'. A place to discuss. It's funny how some people are able to discuss percpectives calmly openly without calling names, dismissing and minalmilising peoples expeiences and views. Whilst others,attack, threaten, name call, use tactics to silence, language to intimate. The ability to say help me understand, thank you for explaining, I can see things from another stance, I hadn't thought of it like that.I was wrong but now I know better so shall try to do better.
“I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Evelyn Hall
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"The good thing about threads like these is they make people show their true colours fast so I can decide who's not worth my reading time. The second I hear "woke", "get over it" or "snowflake" I know this is somebody not worth a nanosecond more of my time. Sure we all have opinions and they're all equally valid, to ourselves and our echo chambers, but damned if I'll bother engaging with certain opinions, because you cannot argue with a closed mind. I know, I engaged, but now I'm out "I'm glad you did, too many stand in the shadows. | |||
"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is" | |||
"This topic does seem to be bringing out the intolerance in people that want to whistle at women! Cries of ‘snowflake’, ‘woke’, and ‘pc gone mad’ are reverberating around! The simple point is that many, if not a vast majority of women are made to feel uncomfortable if they’re whistled at in public. It’s misogynistic and it’s sexualising someone that doesn’t want to be, in a situation that they don’t want to be sexualised in. As far as I can tell, people are reacting to the fact that it used to be acceptable but now it’s not and it’s another example of how the liberals are ruining things for everyone. Actually; no. It was never acceptable, it’s always been creepy, it’s just that attitudes are being reframed where women’s bodies are their own and not the property of others. If this enrages you, then perhaps you need to go and ask yourself why that is Tea monkey had just been added to my hot list "Could do with a 'hit' list too...warning the person who has who you are messaging is on your 'hit' list...(working title) | |||
"FYI it's been banned on building site's for many years now and most site's operate a zero tolerance policy resulting in immediate dismissal. So it's not all hair arses builders doing it. Not all us in the construction industry are Neanderthals. Then this should be more than enough anyway, like there’s no need to get in the legality when it’s impossible to police anyway. " Awareness, self and societal policing. Like a dog owner who seed and completely ignores the shit they're dog just did, some will speak up, some will tut, shake head give a disapproving look. That's 'policing'. | |||
"That’ll hold up in a court of law. It’s either illegal or not, you just kinda know what it is I think a lot of this is about reframing the public discourse rather than simply saying lock up all wolf-whistlers. Defining what is and isn't acceptable. Give you another example. Dangerous driving is technically illegal. But unless it results in a crash it's virtually impossible to prosecute. So the twat who looked out of his side window, saw me and still pulled across in front of me the other day, requiring my ABS to kick in, he should have his licence taken off him, but prosecuting that needs video evidence and the will of the police to take it to court, so we shrug it off. " I've found a use for my hotlist... I'm rather pleased to meet you | |||
"Think about it - would you wolf whistle a child? No. Because it's sexual. As a woman, I don't want to be sexualised all the time. " Very good point | |||
"Think about it - would you wolf whistle a child? No. Because it's sexual. As a woman, I don't want to be sexualised all the time. Very good point" We can only ever be sexulised by others and we have no choice in that. So right now a guy or lady could be walking down the street and someone could think oo they look hot. That person could be in mourning and personally distraught, but they can stop how others perceive them internally. It is the external expression of how we perceive someone that is the issue. I have no issue with cultural behaviour change but if you make freedom to express your thoughts and feelings illegal as they may offend, regardless of it being impossible to police it opens the door to limit freedom of expression in other areas. I find your t-shirt offensive, I find d*unken behavior offensive. Low cut tops are pushing sexualisation in children's faces. Hem lines are too short, trousers are too tight and push sexuality on to those who do not wish to be exposed to this. Its a fine line we tred. | |||
