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"This has been the problem for years. All the time we hear the argument about funding, but that's treating the NHS like a bottomless pit. The way it's run, no matter how much money is poured in, it will never seem to be enough. Personally, I think the solution is to run it as if it were a privatisee businesd. DON'T PANIC - I'm not suggesting privatising it - just bring in successful business managers from the private sector to overhaul the system. The funding model can stay as it is, but cut down on wastage. Get the NHS to be stricter with pharmacutical companies on prices etc." My understanding is that the NHS is one of the most cost efficient health care services in the world. | |||
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"This has been the problem for years. All the time we hear the argument about funding, but that's treating the NHS like a bottomless pit. The way it's run, no matter how much money is poured in, it will never seem to be enough. Personally, I think the solution is to run it as if it were a privatisee businesd. DON'T PANIC - I'm not suggesting privatising it - just bring in successful business managers from the private sector to overhaul the system. The funding model can stay as it is, but cut down on wastage. Get the NHS to be stricter with pharmacutical companies on prices etc." It is run like privatised business. That’s exactly what the last Labour government put in place, all these individual foundation trusts responsible for their own income but bound by restrictive regulations rules and red tape. | |||
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"I cant say enough about the good men and women at frimley park hospital. They have put me back together so many times and the last one was life threatening. And they found something else that needed sorting as it could have ruptured without warning. I know people's experiences are always different but over the last six months they saved my life " I worked there for four years and was a Staff Governor for two. It was a most excellent Trust at that time and I’m pleased to see it is still delivering excellent service | |||
"I wish u a speedy recovery xx "Thank you, its going better than i could have hoped, above all the people who actually worked on/looked after me where brilliant, but having not been in hospital in this country for many years, it was an eye opener how bad things have got, and to the poster above, i sgree that we will soon loose the nhs, i wouldnt work there for any thing, the frontline staft are treated so badly, for instance i would ask the nurse if she knew what was happening, she didnt have a clue, and they were massivly understalfed, i know covid is partly to blame, but that cant account for all of it. for instance while working in amaerica a few years ago i had a wheel change gun fail on me, ripping my finger off bar a bit of skin, i was taken to hospital by a friend sedperstly holding it on, within 10 mins i was being operated on, 2 hours later i was back at work all pinned up, i did endup pulling it off again in the race, but thats another story, and got fixxed, all good now. it did cost 35thousand dollors tho, never go to the us without insurance. but what a different experiance, and the insurance used to cost me 100 pounds a year for working in a dangerous job, worldwide, america was 50 pounds extra ontop, so not expensive, it was a very different experiance, dread to think how much the nhs costs me every year, alot more than that im sure, the difference is that the us healthcare is run like a buisiness and if something doesnt work its stopped, as the hospitals etc have to make a profit to survive, the nhs just seems to be a money pit run by idiots who i wouldnt emply to stack shelves | |||
"I cant say enough about the good men and women at frimley park hospital. They have put me back together so many times and the last one was life threatening. And they found something else that needed sorting as it could have ruptured without warning. I know people's experiences are always different but over the last six months they saved my life " im in no way saying my care was bad at all, im very impressed, its the way its run is the problem, no company could survive like that, did you know at our local hospital, winchester, stalf have to pay 15 pounds a day to park, some of the porters, care assistants etc arent on much more than minimum wage, outragous | |||
"I cant say enough about the good men and women at frimley park hospital. They have put me back together so many times and the last one was life threatening. And they found something else that needed sorting as it could have ruptured without warning. I know people's experiences are always different but over the last six months they saved my life I worked there for four years and was a Staff Governor for two. It was a most excellent Trust at that time and I’m pleased to see it is still delivering excellent service" Rebuilt me more times than RoboCop | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame." Preach | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame." the problem is that none of the perties seem to make things better, labour ruined the nhs, boris has made it worse, i would love to vote for a party that would help, but it seems that once in power, all the promises go out the window, and they becoume much like what has gone before, in the last few decades, it doesnt seem to me to have made much differance who is voted in, they are all init for themselves, i still believe that if you want to be an mp, then you should automaticly be stopped from being one, daft idea, but has some merit | |||
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"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame. the problem is that none of the perties seem to make things better, labour ruined the nhs, boris has made it worse, i would love to vote for a party that would help, but it seems that once in power, all the promises go out the window, and they becoume much like what has gone before, in the last few decades, it doesnt seem to me to have made much differance who is voted in, they are all init for themselves, i still believe that if you want to be an mp, then you should automaticly be stopped from being one, daft idea, but has some merit" Cameron and Clegg and that fuckwit Jeremy Hunt made it worse, Boris hasn’t had opportunity to affect the NHS in any way since taking office (pandemic struggles aside). So let’s be fair here, I’m sure he will cock it up in time he just hasn’t done anything yet. All this talk about pay rises again this morning…the biggest bill for any Trust is staff Salaries, and we are talking 10’s of £millions per trust. Even 1% is going to be a burden on each Trust it doesn’t just come from central government each trust is responsible for creating its own income, it has to make enough money on top of central funding to pay for the day to day running costs and an additional 10% surplus on top which is a condition of Foundation Trust status. I’m not saying the staff aren’t worth it, they absolutely are as was I when I worked there  | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame." Which party do you think would do the best for the NHS? | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame. the problem is that none of the perties seem to make things better, labour ruined the nhs, boris has made it worse, i would love to vote for a party that would help, but it seems that once in power, all the promises go out the window, and they becoume much like what has gone before, in the last few decades, it doesnt seem to me to have made much differance who is voted in, they are all init for themselves, i still believe that if you want to be an mp, then you should automaticly be stopped from being one, daft idea, but has some merit Cameron and Clegg and that fuckwit Jeremy Hunt made it worse, Boris hasn’t had opportunity to affect the NHS in any way since taking office (pandemic struggles aside). So let’s be fair here, I’m sure he will cock it up in time he just hasn’t done anything yet. All this talk about pay rises again this morning…the biggest bill for any Trust is staff Salaries, and we are talking 10’s of £millions per trust. Even 1% is going to be a burden on each Trust it doesn’t just come from central government each trust is responsible for creating its own income, it has to make enough money on top of central funding to pay for the day to day running costs and an additional 10% surplus on top which is a condition of Foundation Trust status. I’m not saying the staff aren’t worth it, they absolutely are as was I when I worked there "and how much does a fuck wit manager who could never get a job in the private sector earn compaired to a nurse for instance? i bet its many times more | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame. Which party do you think would do the best for the NHS? " NONE OF THEM! The problem is that the government, which ever party is in power, keep interfering. This is what I was trying to get at, but I was in a hurry and just heading out for the last morning school run. It needs to be completely detatched from government involvement - with the exception of it's funding. Governments are hopeless at running businesses. If I were Prime Minister (and I have no aspirations in that regard), the first thing I would do would be to abolish the post of Health Secretary and let the NHS actually manage itself. | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame. Which party do you think would do the best for the NHS? NONE OF THEM! The problem is that the government, which ever party is in power, keep interfering. This is what I was trying to get at, but I was in a hurry and just heading out for the last morning school run. It needs to be completely detatched from government involvement - with the exception of it's funding. Governments are hopeless at running businesses. If I were Prime Minister (and I have no aspirations in that regard), the first thing I would do would be to abolish the post of Health Secretary and let the NHS actually manage itself. " you could never be pm anyway, sprouting sence like that, are you mad | |||
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"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame." This is so correct. Nothing else’s needs to be said. I’d vote for you. | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame. the problem is that none of the perties seem to make things better, labour ruined the nhs, boris has made it worse, i would love to vote for a party that would help, but it seems that once in power, all the promises go out the window, and they becoume much like what has gone before, in the last few decades, it doesnt seem to me to have made much differance who is voted in, they are all init for themselves, i still believe that if you want to be an mp, then you should automaticly be stopped from being one, daft idea, but has some merit Cameron and Clegg and that fuckwit Jeremy Hunt made it worse, Boris hasn’t had opportunity to affect the NHS in any way since taking office (pandemic struggles aside). So let’s be fair here, I’m sure he will cock it up in time he just hasn’t done anything yet. All this talk about pay rises again this morning…the biggest bill for any Trust is staff Salaries, and we are talking 10’s of £millions per trust. Even 1% is going to be a burden on each Trust it doesn’t just come from central government each trust is responsible for creating its own income, it has to make enough money on top of central funding to pay for the day to day running costs and an additional 10% surplus on top which is a condition of Foundation Trust status. I’m not saying the staff aren’t worth it, they absolutely are as was I when I worked there
and how much does a fuck wit manager who could never get a job in the private sector earn compaired to a nurse for instance? i bet its many times more"Actually it’s pretty much the same bands 5 through to 8 | |||
"you could never be pm anyway, sprouting sence like that, are you mad" Completely | |||
"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame." Spot on  | |||
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"Two weeks ago I had a heart attack and I found myself in Hospital, just like you Op I saw the good and bad (more like incompetence) during my stay. I was in one Hospital, but needed to be transported to another for a procedure that would diagnose the issues with my heart. This procedure if one diagnosis showed that a stent is required, meant I could literally have it done the same time. Meaning I could go home 12-24 hours afterwards and free up a bed. However I needed an ambulance to transfer me, so I had to wait three days for the transport all the while just sitting around doing nothing, but using a bed that someone else could be using. I was even told that the other hospital always had room to take in people off the street for the procedure if they collapsed in A&E with chest pains. I offered to pay for a taxi (even my employer offered) to get me the 25 minute drive to the other hospital, it got so bad I was ready to discharge myself and go over to the hospital myself and complain of chest pains in their A&E. Due to me kicking up a fuss the next day transport was arranged and within 24 hours procedure completed and I was home. This just shows the amount of money just wasted as I was sat in an ICU bed, very few in my area, just waiting for transport. Glad you’re on the mend Op "sounds like a very similar waste of money, its mad isnt it, hope you got the treatment you needed | |||
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"This is what you get with a free nhs that tries to offer everything to everyone and an ageing and growing population. I’m lucky my company provides private medical, if it didn’t I would go abroad for important things it’s much better service." but its not free, its just free at point of use, we all pay for it with taxes, OUR MONEY, and its being needlessly wasted, we used tohave the best healthcare in the world by far, now sadly not, if it was a buisiness, it would be bankrupt, we cant just keep putting more money in, it needs better managing, the core is still there, its just being used badly | |||
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"Two weeks ago I had a heart attack and I found myself in Hospital, just like you Op I saw the good and bad (more like incompetence) during my stay. I was in one Hospital, but needed to be transported to another for a procedure that would diagnose the issues with my heart. This procedure if one diagnosis showed that a stent is required, meant I could literally have it done the same time. Meaning I could go home 12-24 hours afterwards and free up a bed. However I needed an ambulance to transfer me, so I had to wait three days for the transport all the while just sitting around doing nothing, but using a bed that someone else could be using. I was even told that the other hospital always had room to take in people off the street for the procedure if they collapsed in A&E with chest pains. I offered to pay for a taxi (even my employer offered) to get me the 25 minute drive to the other hospital, it got so bad I was ready to discharge myself and go over to the hospital myself and complain of chest pains in their A&E. Due to me kicking up a fuss the next day transport was arranged and within 24 hours procedure completed and I was home. This just shows the amount of money just wasted as I was sat in an ICU bed, very few in my area, just waiting for transport. Glad you’re on the mend Op
sounds like a very similar waste of money, its mad isnt it, hope you got the treatment you needed"When it comes down to the actual service, it was a lot better than I imagined it was going to be. The food was edible, coffee regularly brought round, medication duly given and advised on, after I kicked up a fuss plenty of reassurance that I would get the action I requested. Couldn’t praise the staff enough after I left. Just that I was in hospital for three days longer than I needed to be, knowing I was using a bed that someone else could be using was frustrating, over a 25 minute drive. Getting better now that I’m home | |||
"This is what you get with a free nhs that tries to offer everything to everyone and an ageing and growing population. I’m lucky my company provides private medical, if it didn’t I would go abroad for important things it’s much better service." Maybe it will get more two tier so that the poor get very basic treatment such as a plaster and those that can afford it get a smile and some healing. The N.H.S is not free. I've paid for it since the day I started work and I had my children on it free...... otherwise nothing else. | |||
"This is what you get with a free nhs that tries to offer everything to everyone and an ageing and growing population. I’m lucky my company provides private medical, if it didn’t I would go abroad for important things it’s much better service. Maybe it will get more two tier so that the poor get very basic treatment such as a plaster and those that can afford it get a smile and some healing. The N.H.S is not free. I've paid for it since the day I started work and I had my children on it free...... otherwise nothing else." This is what I'm struggling to get across to my parents who have a combined total of around 100 years of contributions and a load of kids who grew up to contribute too. They are not being treated by the NHS as charity cases and are absolutely entitled to every ambulance, hospital bed, prescription and treatment they receive. | |||
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"The NHS is already broken, has been for a long time now. When you work inside, you see on a daily basis how overworked and underpaid everyone is including myself. The waiting lists are out of control and now things are mostly rolled out as a priority. Of course it's frustrating when things don't go your way but what do people honestly expect when they vote in the same heartless individuals who don't care about the NHS. The very people who cheer when nurses don't get a raise. The people who vote time and time again for more budget cuts. The people who have been slowly turning our national health into privatisation right under our noses. You want change? Think next time you pick up that voting sheet. Don't stand on your doorsteps and clap as a distraction to the real issues. The NHS will cease to exist sooner than you think and we only have ourselves to blame." This, I know I’ve put way more into the NHS than I’ve taken out and my family all work for it. Nearly every massive screw up and cost has been bringing in private companies that know they can push them. Management seems non existent in any long term goals. Only what can I say for each quarter. | |||
"I must have just under 50 years of contributions at one contribution per month. I'm all for it being shared with everybody . what I am not for is people telling me that WE are the strain on the N.H.S. Poor money management within and without. Bad forward planning. " I'm all for it being shared too. Don't get me started on my mother being called a "bed blocker". | |||
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"Jesus that's rough. My mum is on the NHS frontline and her manager is about half her age and has no idea what the job entails. It's all about saving money. You don't have to know how to do a job as long as you can save money. Unfortunately it's the same I'm a lot of industry it's just that the NHS is one that we can't really afford to pennypinch with. Having said that if a lot of the time wasters would avoid going to A and E when it isn't necessary then there would perhaps be more pennies in the pot. That's just my opinion though and I do hope your on the mend. See you at the next olympics" I agree with A and E. People seem to go for the slightest thing now, the type of thing that we'd have taken care of ourselves years ago ...... Can't blame them entirely, they are encouraged to be treated as children and go to the doctor and visit A and E ... for anything ... especially as it's been getting increasingly difficult to get to see a G.P. | |||
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"Just seen that nurses and other NHS staff are to be given a 3% pay rise. That’s a start at least. " You say, a start, I say, an insult! Perceptions eh?  | |||
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