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"Lewis for the sake of the title race. Russell for a top 10 but I doubt he'll do it without some luck. Lewis 1st, Norris on the podium, George top 10 would be great. Still a Kimi fan though! Top 10 for him would be good too Xx" It would be great for a good result for the lads , don't think Russel has the car for a top ten finish , and personally I don't think Kimi has the eye of the tiger attitude anymore or a developed car . | |||
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"Yawwwwwwwwwn. " So boring you decided to take time to comment. | |||
"Yawwwwwwwwwn. So boring you decided to take time to comment. " Everyone's entitled to an opinion, or so I thought. That's what it's like to live in a democratic country, allegedly. | |||
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"Yawwwwwwwwwn. So boring you decided to take time to comment. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, or so I thought. That's what it's like to live in a democratic country, allegedly. " Thanks for that. I just scroll on by whatever I'm not interested in, but you do you. | |||
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"Can’t wait! Hoping this is Lewis race "Fingers crossed  | |||
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"Lewis p3 don't really rate him, always an excuse when he doesn't get the result he expects. This is max year and think it will be for the next 2/3. Norris will be p3 Russell p11 unfortunately, can't see him getting in the points today. " I agree that it is Max’s year, but Mercedes have focused their r&d on next years car and the rule changes, so think they will dominate 2022. | |||
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"Lewis p3 don't really rate him, always an excuse when he doesn't get the result he expects. This is max year and think it will be for the next 2/3. Norris will be p3 Russell p11 unfortunately, can't see him getting in the points today. I agree that it is Max’s year, but Mercedes have focused their r&d on next years car and the rule changes, so think they will dominate 2022." Yea but just because it's not as publicly shared doesn't mean red bull aren't working heavily on next year's car, and Lewis is on his way out (my opinion no hate) the only way I can see mercedes dominate next year is if they bring in Russell | |||
"The Hamilton fan in me wants him to when and Ver to not even finish the race. In reality it won't work out that way unfortunately. " Don't get me wrong what he's done for the "sport" is massive and he's brought a massive audience to the "sport" but I just don't like him, always an excuse if things don't go right for him. | |||
"Lewis p3 don't really rate him, always an excuse when he doesn't get the result he expects. This is max year and think it will be for the next 2/3. Norris will be p3 Russell p11 unfortunately, can't see him getting in the points today. I agree that it is Max’s year, but Mercedes have focused their r&d on next years car and the rule changes, so think they will dominate 2022. Yea but just because it's not as publicly shared doesn't mean red bull aren't working heavily on next year's car, and Lewis is on his way out (my opinion no hate) the only way I can see mercedes dominate next year is if they bring in Russell " True, but I get the impression Mercedes have invested more than red bull, but we shall see. And I do agree that Russell over bottas next year | |||
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"Lewis p3 don't really rate him, always an excuse when he doesn't get the result he expects. This is max year and think it will be for the next 2/3. Norris will be p3 Russell p11 unfortunately, can't see him getting in the points today. I agree that it is Max’s year, but Mercedes have focused their r&d on next years car and the rule changes, so think they will dominate 2022. Yea but just because it's not as publicly shared doesn't mean red bull aren't working heavily on next year's car, and Lewis is on his way out (my opinion no hate) the only way I can see mercedes dominate next year is if they bring in Russell True, but I get the impression Mercedes have invested more than red bull, but we shall see. And I do agree that Russell over bottas next year "I meant Russell over Hamilton. Bottas is a good driver, it's so clear to see all the tactics are there to support Lewis because of the sponsorship and viewership he brings in, if bottas goes to let's say mclaren (won't happen) watch him smash it. | |||
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"Who's everyone rooting for today ? three good British drivers , but hoping Lewis wins this one ." We're always Team Lewis  | |||
"Who's everyone rooting for today ? three good British drivers , but hoping Lewis wins this one . We're always Team Lewis " | |||
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"Great to see three Brits in the top 3, would love Lewis to take the win though. More of a MotoGP girl, but I do like F1." | |||
"Great to see three Brits in the top 3, would love Lewis to take the win though. More of a MotoGP girl, but I do like F1." top 10 even lol | |||
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"Literally anyone except for Hamilton " Totally agree with you. Anyone but Hamilton | |||
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"Well that was a start!! "Indeed | |||
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"Literally anyone except for Hamilton Totally agree with you. Anyone but Hamilton " 100% | |||
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"Hamilton you prick. Hate that twat" | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that " I agree ..it's not like a deliberate barge manoeuvre | |||
"Hamilton you prick. Hate that twat" Tell us how you really feel... | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that " Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did " Never mind that max hit Lewis twice before his luck ran out | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did Never mind that max hit Lewis twice before his luck ran out " Max was on the racing line and ahead for the whole Time ?? So did max hit Lewis or did Lewis hit max | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did " If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up" Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up" Seems every commentator on TV is disagreeing with you | |||
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"Isn’t there a rule about only changing direction once to defend? Max was all over the track yesterday and again at the start today. " Only in braking zones. That was a bit of a weave from Max but they were still on the throttle. Alonso took the piss yesterday. That was like teenage Max. Xx | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off" He does not have to be ahead.. he needs to be be along side… max knew he was along side enough to make the correction.. if he knew he was along side enough to make the correction you have to give the car’s width | |||
"Isn’t there a rule about only changing direction once to defend? Max was all over the track yesterday and again at the start today. Only in braking zones. That was a bit of a weave from Max but they were still on the throttle. Alonso took the piss yesterday. That was like teenage Max. Xx" Ahh fair enough | |||
"100% Racing incident, just a shame its robbed us of a great battle for the win today , With Perez out of position it could have been down to Pitstops and strategy " | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Seems every commentator on TV is disagreeing with you" Which side are you watching because everyone on sky f1 has said racing incident | |||
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"Isn’t there a rule about only changing direction once to defend? Max was all over the track yesterday and again at the start today. " Went wide on corner 1 to protect his position. Then breaked very late off the racing line in turn 4 … So | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Seems every commentator on TV is disagreeing with you Which side are you watching because everyone on sky f1 has said racing incident " Channel 4. Coulthard and Webber are saying he got off lightly with a 10 second penalty | |||
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"Whatever your views are and regardless of who you are supporting (or not) at least it’s not one of the boring Sunday afternoon drive races. With 40 laps to go and the pit stops to start, it’s got the prospect for being an interesting afternoon. Stag" Good point | |||
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"10 seconds is bollocks. " I agree, they're always lenient with Hamilton | |||
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"Well done Lewis ... successfully overtaking on the same corner where the incident happened.... just shows what a load of crap the red bull man spouted "Or lando knows his car isn't much competition for the Mercedes and he kinda let him through ?? If your watching you can clearly see lando backed off to let him pass | |||
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"Well done Lewis ... successfully overtaking on the same corner where the incident happened.... just shows what a load of crap the red bull man spouted
Or lando knows his car isn't much competition for the Mercedes and he kinda let him through ?? If your watching you can clearly see lando backed off to let him pass "didn't try to cut him up you mean | |||
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"Three overtakes on copse corner...so total bollox from red bull "Well, all worked out in the end. | |||
"Lewis doesn't deserve the win today after that disgraceful move on Max on the first lap. 7 time world champion should know better. As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't try that sort of a manouvre on that corner" Imo he did it on purpose because he knows max is the better driver and has no chance of winning | |||
"Lewis doesn't deserve the win today after that disgraceful move on Max on the first lap. 7 time world champion should know better. As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't try that sort of a manouvre on that corner" The gal was there and Hamilton had every right to at least try! Verstappen would’ve had the inside line going in to the next corner and Lewis would’ve been compromised so if he’d have played the long game instead trying to bully Lewis off the line he could’ve won that race! Verstappen has such an entitled attitude every time he races and can’t handle another driver potentially overtaking him. Until he learns he can’t win every single race and Red Bull as a team stop being so aggressive he’ll never win a world championship | |||
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"Lewis doesn't deserve the win today after that disgraceful move on Max on the first lap. 7 time world champion should know better. As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't try that sort of a manouvre on that corner Imo he did it on purpose because he knows max is the better driver and has no chance of winning" I disagree. Max has a history of this kind of manoeuvre. In the past Lewis has backed off rather than holding his ground. This happened because Max never backs off, even if he ought to. I admire Max's tenacity but he needs to see the bigger picture. He is still very young though. | |||
"Lewis doesn't deserve the win today after that disgraceful move on Max on the first lap. 7 time world champion should know better. As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't try that sort of a manouvre on that corner Imo he did it on purpose because he knows max is the better driver and has no chance of winning I disagree. Max has a history of this kind of manoeuvre. In the past Lewis has backed off rather than holding his ground. This happened because Max never backs off, even if he ought to. I admire Max's tenacity but he needs to see the bigger picture. He is still very young though. " Couldn’t have put it better ourselves! This kind of crash has been coming and if it hadn’t have been for Hamilton backing out each time it would’ve happened sooner. Verstappen has to learn he can’t win the championship after nine races | |||
"Lewis doesn't deserve the win today after that disgraceful move on Max on the first lap. 7 time world champion should know better. As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't try that sort of a manouvre on that corner Imo he did it on purpose because he knows max is the better driver and has no chance of winning I disagree. Max has a history of this kind of manoeuvre. In the past Lewis has backed off rather than holding his ground. This happened because Max never backs off, even if he ought to. I admire Max's tenacity but he needs to see the bigger picture. He is still very young though. " This is the third time Hamilton has took out a red bull after clipping the right rear, he knows what he's doing. The only driver with a history of taking out drivers that are overtaking him is Hamilton. How anyone can blame max is astounding; if he didn't take out max then slow down, lewis would've went wide and off of the track at turn 1 | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off" im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it | |||
"Lewis doesn't deserve the win today after that disgraceful move on Max on the first lap. 7 time world champion should know better. As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't try that sort of a manouvre on that corner Imo he did it on purpose because he knows max is the better driver and has no chance of winning I disagree. Max has a history of this kind of manoeuvre. In the past Lewis has backed off rather than holding his ground. This happened because Max never backs off, even if he ought to. I admire Max's tenacity but he needs to see the bigger picture. He is still very young though. This is the third time Hamilton has took out a red bull after clipping the right rear, he knows what he's doing. The only driver with a history of taking out drivers that are overtaking him is Hamilton. How anyone can blame max is astounding; if he didn't take out max then slow down, lewis would've went wide and off of the track at turn 1" The only driver? rewind back to to the cheating german Schumacher....same mentality. Its how he won his 1st wdc | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it" Hamilton wasn't infront though.... | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it" https://streamable.com/8ixrv2 Where in that was Hamilton ahead? Perhaps you're too old for the game now mate and are missing things | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it" Well put | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it Hamilton wasn't infront though...." you must have seen different footage to me then, its irelivant tho the rules say that if another car is 75% or more alongside you, then you must give room, max didnt, he turned in forcing lewis to slow, but not enough, i dont blame max, most drivers would have done the same, he just needs to grow up a bit, if he hadgiven the courner to lewis then he would have had the advantage at the next turn, schoolboy error really | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it https://streamable.com/8ixrv2 Where in that was Hamilton ahead? Perhaps you're too old for the game now mate and are missing things "wow i thought this was a friendly debate, no need for that | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it Hamilton wasn't infront though.... you must have seen different footage to me then, its irelivant tho the rules say that if another car is 75% or more alongside you, then you must give room, max didnt, he turned in forcing lewis to slow, but not enough, i dont blame max, most drivers would have done the same, he just needs to grow up a bit, if he hadgiven the courner to lewis then he would have had the advantage at the next turn, schoolboy error really" https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/omtz7s/2_penalty_points_for_hamiton_for_the_incident/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share According to the stewards hamilton had sufficient room and should've lifted | |||
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"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Max was ahead and had the racing line meaning it was for Lewis to back off im not really a fan of one over the other, but have you seen the footage, obviousl not, ham was infront, max tried to bully him in the turn, ham backed out but not enough to avoid contact, ham could have done more for sure, but max should realise that one day someone you try to bully will stand up to you, max is quick for sure, and will be the next great thing, but hes to hot headed, it was a racing incident, but the stuwards have been penalising those all season, so they had no choice to give the 10 sec. oh and btw ive been a race engineer at high level motorsport for 30plus years, wins including leman, so i can see throught the stories, and for lewis to win arter was a masterful drive, anyone who cant see that and admit it has a problem. i still think max may win the championship this year, but today was a good race, oh and lewis did the same to clc towards the end, and clc knew he would never hold the courner so got out of it Hamilton wasn't infront though.... you must have seen different footage to me then, its irelivant tho the rules say that if another car is 75% or more alongside you, then you must give room, max didnt, he turned in forcing lewis to slow, but not enough, i dont blame max, most drivers would have done the same, he just needs to grow up a bit, if he hadgiven the courner to lewis then he would have had the advantage at the next turn, schoolboy error really https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/omtz7s/2_penalty_points_for_hamiton_for_the_incident/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share According to the stewards hamilton had sufficient room and should've lifted" he did lift, thats how he ended up hitting max on the back of the car not the front, i dont really agree with the stewards, but thats not my job to, and as i said earlyer all season they have penalised racing incedents all year so they had no choice, it seams they dont like wheel to wheel racing anymore, thats why im not a huge fan of f1, i just watch it when its on and im at home, like i watch all motorsport | |||
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"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando "How you can compare Lewis to Rosberg is beyond me , Rosberg won a championship and immediately quit so no- one could challenge him . | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
How you can compare Lewis to Rosberg is beyond me , Rosberg won a championship and immediately quit so no- one could challenge him . "Rosberg won a dirty championship. Couldn't beat Lewis fairly so a lot of filthy moves. I hope Lewis doesn't go down the same road. Schumacher was the same in his last few titles. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
How you can compare Lewis to Rosberg is beyond me , Rosberg won a championship and immediately quit so no- one could challenge him . "And never forget the Monaco quali... | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
How you can compare Lewis to Rosberg is beyond me , Rosberg won a championship and immediately quit so no- one could challenge him .
And never forget the Monaco quali..."Good point Rosberg screwed Lewis over , his own teammate | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
How you can compare Lewis to Rosberg is beyond me , Rosberg won a championship and immediately quit so no- one could challenge him .
And never forget the Monaco quali...
Good point Rosberg screwed Lewis over , his own teammate "My point exactly, Lewis has been a great champion, I don't want to see him go down that road. | |||
"I'm a Norris fan (shame about the pitstop) and neither a fan of Hamilton or Verstappen however re the incident: It was pretty evident both drivers were very aggressive on the first lap. They touched wheels more than that one incident and Max was constantly covering Lewis at every opportunity. It seems to me when he attempted to cover Hamilton on the outside that forced Lewis to do one of two things. Really back off or dart to the inside. Lewis took the latter. On the inside Lewis seemed pretty out of position for the corner and I don't see him making that apex unless he really slowed down. I don't think that Mercedes could have taken that corner much tighter given the speed that they were going. Should have Lewis backed off? Hard to say. I feel it contradictory that fans want close racing but then get annoyed when these things happen. They're bound to happen. To me, it appears the severity of the incident is detracting from the truth of it. Which is two strong drivers gunning for the championship and not wanting to give an inch. 1st lap racing incident for me. Disappointed Norris's pitstop may have cost him a podium." Yep. I agree with this completely. The vast majority of the commentators, also saw it as a racung incident. Had Max simply spun, I doubt there would have been the same level of debate. | |||
"I'm a Norris fan (shame about the pitstop) and neither a fan of Hamilton or Verstappen however re the incident: It was pretty evident both drivers were very aggressive on the first lap. They touched wheels more than that one incident and Max was constantly covering Lewis at every opportunity. It seems to me when he attempted to cover Hamilton on the outside that forced Lewis to do one of two things. Really back off or dart to the inside. Lewis took the latter. On the inside Lewis seemed pretty out of position for the corner and I don't see him making that apex unless he really slowed down. I don't think that Mercedes could have taken that corner much tighter given the speed that they were going. Should have Lewis backed off? Hard to say. I feel it contradictory that fans want close racing but then get annoyed when these things happen. They're bound to happen. To me, it appears the severity of the incident is detracting from the truth of it. Which is two strong drivers gunning for the championship and not wanting to give an inch. 1st lap racing incident for me. Disappointed Norris's pitstop may have cost him a podium. Yep. I agree with this completely. The vast majority of the commentators, also saw it as a racung incident. Had Max simply spun, I doubt there would have been the same level of debate. " The other point of view ... if the positions were reversed and it was Lewis on the outside and Max inside ... what would Max have done? Personally, I think the outcome would have been the same | |||
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"That's why Lewis is the greatest driver of all time. He works harder than anyone else, he never fails to amaze! Shouldn't have got the penalty imo, it's called RACING for a reason. Verstapen needs to learn that sometimes you have to let the better driver past or run the risk of being taken out. Hopefully he'll be a good boy from now on " | |||
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"I'm a Norris fan (shame about the pitstop) and neither a fan of Hamilton or Verstappen however re the incident: It was pretty evident both drivers were very aggressive on the first lap. They touched wheels more than that one incident and Max was constantly covering Lewis at every opportunity. It seems to me when he attempted to cover Hamilton on the outside that forced Lewis to do one of two things. Really back off or dart to the inside. Lewis took the latter. On the inside Lewis seemed pretty out of position for the corner and I don't see him making that apex unless he really slowed down. I don't think that Mercedes could have taken that corner much tighter given the speed that they were going. Should have Lewis backed off? Hard to say. I feel it contradictory that fans want close racing but then get annoyed when these things happen. They're bound to happen. To me, it appears the severity of the incident is detracting from the truth of it. Which is two strong drivers gunning for the championship and not wanting to give an inch. 1st lap racing incident for me. Disappointed Norris's pitstop may have cost him a podium. Yep. I agree with this completely. The vast majority of the commentators, also saw it as a racung incident. Had Max simply spun, I doubt there would have been the same level of debate. The other point of view ... if the positions were reversed and it was Lewis on the outside and Max inside ... what would Max have done? Personally, I think the outcome would have been the same" My thinking exactly too | |||
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"I know Verstappen is being checked over in hospital so hasn’t commented as yet, but wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear him say something along the lines of “it’s racing, let’s move on”. He’d gain mountains of respect unlike his whinging boss." He has responded. In short, he didn't say that XD | |||
"I know Verstappen is being checked over in hospital so hasn’t commented as yet, but wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear him say something along the lines of “it’s racing, let’s move on”. He’d gain mountains of respect unlike his whinging boss. He has responded. In short, he didn't say that XD " I’m guessing he’s blaming Hamilton then? Trouble is he’s been playing chicken with Hamilton all season and this time Hamilton didn’t back down. Fifty fifty in my book. Dust yourself down and get on with it. | |||
" The other point of view ... if the positions were reversed and it was Lewis on the outside and Max inside ... what would Max have done? Personally, I think the outcome would have been the same" Agreed… there is zero chance verstappen is giving that up.. how do you think max got the rep for being a fearless overtaker in the first place… max likes to bully people when overtaking and I think this was Lewis basically taking his stand Remember the same thing happened in the sprint at the same point and Hamilton backed out… | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando "So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process. "Another great point | |||
"That's why Lewis is the greatest driver of all time. He works harder than anyone else, he never fails to amaze! Shouldn't have got the penalty imo, it's called RACING for a reason. Verstapen needs to learn that sometimes you have to let the better driver past or run the risk of being taken out. Hopefully he'll be a good boy from now on "Sorry but I strongly disagree. And we are all entitled to an opinion. Hamilton should have been disqualified. Dangerous brain dead move in a corner impossible to overtake on. Could have killed MV. So he takes out his championship rival and gains 26pts as a punishment. I’m disgusted and in my opinion, Hamilton is a disgrace for celebrating having put his rival in hospital! . Another win gifted to him. GOAT my arse! | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process.
Another great point "I think that Max has been "getting his elbows out" for a while now and Lewis has been backing out to avoid an accident. I think Max was doing the same again but Lewis didn't back out. Cal | |||
"That's why Lewis is the greatest driver of all time. He works harder than anyone else, he never fails to amaze! Shouldn't have got the penalty imo, it's called RACING for a reason. Verstapen needs to learn that sometimes you have to let the better driver past or run the risk of being taken out. Hopefully he'll be a good boy from now on
Sorry but I strongly disagree. And we are all entitled to an opinion. Hamilton should have been disqualified. Dangerous brain dead move in a corner impossible to overtake on. Could have killed MV.
So he takes out his championship rival and gains 26pts as a punishment. I’m disgusted and in my opinion, Hamilton is a disgrace for celebrating having put his rival in hospital! . Another win gifted to him. GOAT my arse! "Are you serious? If that’s anything other than a racing incident then motorsport is dead. Try watching BTCC and then tell me anyone did anything wrong. Max and Horner are bang out of order with the crap they have spouted about Hamilton. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process.
Another great point
I think that Max has been "getting his elbows out" for a while now and Lewis has been backing out to avoid an accident. I think Max was doing the same again but Lewis didn't back out.
Cal"You hit the nail on the head Cal. Max thought Lewis was going to back down | |||
"That's why Lewis is the greatest driver of all time. He works harder than anyone else, he never fails to amaze! Shouldn't have got the penalty imo, it's called RACING for a reason. Verstapen needs to learn that sometimes you have to let the better driver past or run the risk of being taken out. Hopefully he'll be a good boy from now on
Sorry but I strongly disagree. And we are all entitled to an opinion. Hamilton should have been disqualified. Dangerous brain dead move in a corner impossible to overtake on. Could have killed MV.
So he takes out his championship rival and gains 26pts as a punishment. I’m disgusted and in my opinion, Hamilton is a disgrace for celebrating having put his rival in hospital! . Another win gifted to him. GOAT my arse! "Is your arse a GOAT | |||
"That's why Lewis is the greatest driver of all time. He works harder than anyone else, he never fails to amaze! Shouldn't have got the penalty imo, it's called RACING for a reason. Verstapen needs to learn that sometimes you have to let the better driver past or run the risk of being taken out. Hopefully he'll be a good boy from now on
Sorry but I strongly disagree. And we are all entitled to an opinion. Hamilton should have been disqualified. Dangerous brain dead move in a corner impossible to overtake on. Could have killed MV.
So he takes out his championship rival and gains 26pts as a punishment. I’m disgusted and in my opinion, Hamilton is a disgrace for celebrating having put his rival in hospital! . Another win gifted to him. GOAT my arse!
Are you serious? If that’s anything other than a racing incident then motorsport is dead. Try watching BTCC and then tell me anyone did anything wrong. Max and Horner are bang out of order with the crap they have spouted about Hamilton. "F1 isn’t the BTCC. If you don’t hold people too account it might just as well be though. That’s a general comment on your comparing F1 and BTCC Not making any comment on today’s incident as I haven’t seen it, so am not on a position to judge. | |||
"That's why Lewis is the greatest driver of all time. He works harder than anyone else, he never fails to amaze! Shouldn't have got the penalty imo, it's called RACING for a reason. Verstapen needs to learn that sometimes you have to let the better driver past or run the risk of being taken out. Hopefully he'll be a good boy from now on
Sorry but I strongly disagree. And we are all entitled to an opinion. Hamilton should have been disqualified. Dangerous brain dead move in a corner impossible to overtake on. Could have killed MV.
So he takes out his championship rival and gains 26pts as a punishment. I’m disgusted and in my opinion, Hamilton is a disgrace for celebrating having put his rival in hospital! . Another win gifted to him. GOAT my arse!
Are you serious? If that’s anything other than a racing incident then motorsport is dead. Try watching BTCC and then tell me anyone did anything wrong. Max and Horner are bang out of order with the crap they have spouted about Hamilton. "Couldn't have put it better, the fact that he made the same move again and the outcome wasn't a crash just shows it was just a racing incident. Its a fast corner...so what....everyone applauds the overtakes on eu rouge (spelling?), and thats a far more dangerous corner to overtake. | |||
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"Hamilton has been outdriven by max all season. " You mean red bull have made some great improvements to the car, Mercedes have been playing catch up, and after the first qualifying at Silverstone it shows the teams are virtually level. Im a Hamilton fan for sure, but am also looking forward to the season full of battles between them both. Dominance does nothing for the sport | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process. "Not at all, my point was that Rosberg went dirty against a better driver to win his championship. I don't want to see Lewis using similar tactics against Max. He's better than that. For me though that incident was on Lewis. | |||
"Hamilton has been outdriven by max all season. You mean red bull have made some great improvements to the car, Mercedes have been playing catch up, and after the first qualifying at Silverstone it shows the teams are virtually level. Im a Hamilton fan for sure, but am also looking forward to the season full of battles between them both. Dominance does nothing for the sport " Absolutely, but I'm a Mclaren fan since I could walk! Big fan of Lewis though, he's done a lot for the sport and the world. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process.
Not at all, my point was that Rosberg went dirty against a better driver to win his championship. I don't want to see Lewis using similar tactics against Max. He's better than that. For me though that incident was on Lewis. "I'd have to disagree... I think Max tried to bully Lewis into backing out, but like he has several times already this season. If Lewis had backed out then Max would have had an opportunity to pull away, Lewis stood his ground. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process.
Not at all, my point was that Rosberg went dirty against a better driver to win his championship. I don't want to see Lewis using similar tactics against Max. He's better than that. For me though that incident was on Lewis. "My question is ,are you saying it was a dirty move from Lewis? If so then it was deliberate and there no way he could have known what the outcome of the accident would be as he could have been out of the race too. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process.
Not at all, my point was that Rosberg went dirty against a better driver to win his championship. I don't want to see Lewis using similar tactics against Max. He's better than that. For me though that incident was on Lewis.
I'd have to disagree... I think Max tried to bully Lewis into backing out, but like he has several times already this season. If Lewis had backed out then Max would have had an opportunity to pull away, Lewis stood his ground.
"can't have that at all. Max is on the racing line and Hamilton was carrying far too much speed on that line to avoid any kind of collision especially since he was behind. | |||
"Hamilton has turned into Rosberg. Any other driver would have had a drive through penalty for that. Lost a lot of respect for him today. Good job Lando
So are you suggesting that he deliberately turned into Max ? That would mean he would have calculated that he wasn't going to sustain any damage to his car and then go on to win the race. It was a racing incident and both of them were not going to slow down. There is no way you can turn into someone and be certain that your car won't be damaged in the process.
Not at all, my point was that Rosberg went dirty against a better driver to win his championship. I don't want to see Lewis using similar tactics against Max. He's better than that. For me though that incident was on Lewis.
I'd have to disagree... I think Max tried to bully Lewis into backing out, but like he has several times already this season. If Lewis had backed out then Max would have had an opportunity to pull away, Lewis stood his ground.
can't have that at all. Max is on the racing line and Hamilton was carrying far too much speed on that line to avoid any kind of collision especially since he was behind. "This. Reckless. | |||
"Max was weaving all over the place on that lap before that crash… Hamilton had the inside.. I don’t think you can penalise him for that Lewis wasn't ahead?? Lewis new what he was doing and he's done it before, twice with albon and with gasly.. he cannot stand the fact he's gonna lose the championship so done what he did If you see him, which max did because he made a correction, then you have to leave a car’s width space… at the angle Max’s car was heading for that corner it was never a car’s width… max expected Lewis to pull out which is exactly what Hamilton did yesterday.. basically max cut him up Seems every commentator on TV is disagreeing with you" What TV commentary were you watching  . Most of the Sky pundits except JB and the RedBull management thought it was 50/50 | |||
"How did Hamilton manage to make the pass on leclerc and stick to the apex with less room than he had when he took out verstappen? " Because Leclerc didn't turn in on Lewis. Unlike Max, Leclerc knew Lewis was alongside him and kept to the outside to avoid a collision. Maybe Max needs to analyse this footage to see how its actually done | |||
"It looks like Lewis was more to blame than Max but I'd still say racing incident. Lewis was carrying a lot of momentum up the inside after the slipstream and went a tad deep. Max gave him the car's width and no more, he knew he was there and left it tight. 60/40 Lewis's fault. It'll either be a racing incident or a small penalty to Lewis I think. Nasty crash though. I'm glad Max is ok xx" 100% this. They both could have made it around. | |||
"Lewis 10 second penalty so clearly he is to blame ?? Like I've said " The stewards reported stated Car 44 was ‘predominantly’ at fault, so Max was not exonerated and nor should he have been. He played a part well enough. He might not have naturally expected to see Lewis on the inside, but he was well enough aware of Lewis’s closing speed given he checked his mirrors. Max pulled to the left, presumably to get the racing line, but he looked, turned in, corrected after seemingly seeing Lewis and then turned back in again. Shortly after the point Max first pulled left, they were level; Max had no advantage. He seemingly carried a little extra into Copse and had a wheel ahead at the point of his final turn in, but not enough to slam the door shut. Yes, Lewis was off line, but you don’t pass on it. Max could have turned in less and still made it around. Yeah, it wouldn’t have done him any favours going into Maggots and Becketts, but Lewis’s line wouldn’t have done him any favours either, by the looks of it from the videos and stills. Lewis managed to pass around the inside of Copse twice again later, so it’s not some impossible feat and plenty have done it before. | |||
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"The stewards were in possession of much more information about the incident than any other people at the venue – including you and sundry commentators. The stewards said that Lewis was PREDOMINANTLY to blame for the shunt. This means that both drivers were to blame, but Lewis was more blameworthy than Max. If the blame had been about equal, no penalty would have been awarded – the shunt would have been classed as a racing incident. If Lewis had been entirely to blame he would have been disqualified for dangerous driving. If Lewis had been much more to blame than Max, he would have been prevented from winning by awarding him, say, a five-place penalty. The 10-second penalty indicated that Lewis’ blame was only slightly more than Max’s. So the stewards just made Lewis work harder for the win. And they provided us with a much more interesting race as well! " This has explained it much better than I ever could have. Good work. | |||
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