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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Recently there has been a online petition set up to make it a requirement to have to send a type of photographic ID such as a driving licence or passport to set up a social media account. It’s had over 500k signatures so far. I personally think it’s a good idea as it stops people creating fake accounts to scam people or ruin people’s reputation. Also what are people’s thoughts on it being used for dating sites and sites like fab?
I have 2 female friends that have had pictures used from their Facebook profiles to set up accounts on fab. It caused a lot of issues and the police were informed, I reported another one of these accounts today and it’s quickly been removed but I have no doubt it will happen again so the photo ID requirement would stop this.
What’s people’s thoughts? Good idea or is it a step too far? |
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I think it's a great idea, however there will be many many people like myself who have no photo ID. I can't drive and never will for medical reasons and I can't afford a holiday so don't have a passport, I've not been abroad in 17 years. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Anyone remember the Ashley Madison scandal?
Wouldn't do it. Not worth the risk for a lot of people in certain jobs."
By that I assume you mean you just wouldn’t use adult sites? |
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By *anae21Woman
over a year ago
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"I think it's a great idea, however there will be many many people like myself who have no photo ID. I can't drive and never will for medical reasons and I can't afford a holiday so don't have a passport, I've not been abroad in 17 years."
This is exactly why the government's proposal to demand voter ID in elections will disenfranchise thousands of eligible adults.
I get the rationale to prevent online trolling, but it's not fair. Won't happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For it because it cut down on all the fakes and such
But against it because companies aren’t to be trusted with that kind off data cheaping out on security even or own government
Walk in to most places and they still on like a window xp or vista system and that still has the memory leak flaw
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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It is a good idea for the purpose they are trying to combat. You want to say that shit, then you are immortalised as saying it. Easily identified as saying it.
Its a terrible idea for a whole load of other reasons. Some will see it as a good thing but it would begin to kill off Social Media - which the majority use for more personal reasons and not drama seeking or starting. Having to need to upload your ID to social media companies is a terrible idea, they "own" enough of our details as it is. Direct link to ID is too far.
Racist and hate comments can be blocked and filtered before it is shown as posted. Certain words flagged, variations of words flagged.
Also as PP says not everyone has Photo I'd. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Wouldn’t mind it for social media but I wouldn’t provide it for adult or dating sites "
I feel the same as you. I would be worried about a possible data breach but after knowing the live changing issues that one female friend has had due to someone using her Facebook pics and creating a account on here it’s something I would be in favour of. It’s all too easy to set up a fake account and it can have serious consequences |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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Bottom line is people wanting it to happen are doing so in a knee jerk reaction without thinking it through from all angles and outcomes.
Hell the majority of them won't even understand the full extent of consequences it can potentially lead to. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Bottom line is people wanting it to happen are doing so in a knee jerk reaction without thinking it through from all angles and outcomes.
Hell the majority of them won't even understand the full extent of consequences it can potentially lead to. "
I completely agree |
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"Bottom line is people wanting it to happen are doing so in a knee jerk reaction without thinking it through from all angles and outcomes.
Hell the majority of them won't even understand the full extent of consequences it can potentially lead to. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a good idea because a lot of people won't want to give out their ID which will help them stop wasting time on social media and spend that time doing something productive |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"It's a good idea because a lot of people won't want to give out their ID which will help them stop wasting time on social media and spend that time doing something productive"
But not everyone wastes time on social media. Some people use it to be productive for different reasons. Millions of people use social media. Social media is not solely an evil thing. And there are solid reasons to not be willing to sign up to it with direct ID.
I use social media in part of a group for different activities and gatherings (assume what you like what they are). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its not a good idea, because most social media sites are not very secure. Facebook messenger for instance has very poor security and doesn't use encryption.
The details uploaded could very easily be stolen.
It won't stop people who are determined in trolling ect. And will exclude vast numbers of our more vulnerable society who either won't have photo idea or understand the requirements.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's a great idea, however there will be many many people like myself who have no photo ID. I can't drive and never will for medical reasons and I can't afford a holiday so don't have a passport, I've not been abroad in 17 years."
Same here. |
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I'm mixed on this. I think the social media corporations need to be held to much higher standards and controls. They make gigantic profits from exploiting personal data - providing total intrusion into privacy seems like an overkill, endowing them with complete personal data and minimal gain to the public, that could be achieved via less intrusive measures. Technological and staff investments should be a key essential starting point |
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I have no photo ID..no passport no driver's licence..so this would exclude me from social media.. which probably wouldn't be a bad thing.. I'd read more book's..get more done around the house..and I'd never have to see a photo of what some twat was having for there tea ever again..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wouldn’t mind it for social media but I wouldn’t provide it for adult or dating sites
I feel the same as you. I would be worried about a possible data breach but after knowing the live changing issues that one female friend has had due to someone using her Facebook pics and creating a account on here it’s something I would be in favour of. It’s all too easy to set up a fake account and it can have serious consequences"
Socmed are the worst! Hello! Cambridge ananlytics! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree for social media, but not for sites like this. I don't want fab knowing my real name and my address, and storing it on some database ready to be hacked and shared. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some form of online digital ID makes sense. It is a shame that the national ID card scheme of years ago did not take off as that would have helped those that did not have a passport or need a driver’s license.
The days of the internet being an anonymous wild west need to end. There’s no reason a security system can’t be devised that obfuscates the true identity but makes the ID traceable for enforcement. Maybe like a digital certificate for online identity linked to actual national identity. That way those to break the rules can be traced and dealt with and the ability to scam and fake would be greatly reduced.
Something has to change eventually. But it should not be knee jerk and has to be an international standard to work properly. NWO conspiracy types won’t like it though |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some form of online digital ID makes sense. It is a shame that the national ID card scheme of years ago did not take off as that would have helped those that did not have a passport or need a driver’s license.
The days of the internet being an anonymous wild west need to end. There’s no reason a security system can’t be devised that obfuscates the true identity but makes the ID traceable for enforcement. Maybe like a digital certificate for online identity linked to actual national identity. That way those to break the rules can be traced and dealt with and the ability to scam and fake would be greatly reduced.
Something has to change eventually. But it should not be knee jerk and has to be an international standard to work properly. NWO conspiracy types won’t like it though "
Conspiracy types or critical thinkers? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Computer scientist here. Not a good idea in my personal opinion. These are global companies we're talking about and, although this legislation may work in the UK, I fear that normalisation of requiring ID will spill over to less progressive countries. Its still illegal to be gay in over a third of the countries on the planet and in 12 it carries the death penalty. Sure it may help us fight hate in our borders, but the other side of the coin is it'll make it easier for less progressive governments to adopt this policy and persecute people for simply being gay or LGBTQ+. Unless of course Facebook or Twitter allow certain countries to legislate for ID but not others? Seems pretty unlikely to me and puts too much power in the hands of companies that ultimately wish to make a profit. Other groups to consider that require anonymity also include whistleblowers.
Furthermore, alot of people in this country seem to want it both ways. People don't want their privacy infringed but are then willing to give personally identifying information to a private company? You can't have it both ways. From a cyber security perspective, this will make identity theft easier. No system is bulletproof from hackers as can be seen from the LinkedIn, MyFitnessPal and Ashely Madison hacks for example.
The other thing I can't help but think about is how difficult will it actually be to enforce? Not from a ID checking side but from a follow up perspective. Just because you're account is associated with an ID doesn't prove that you're the one that posted such content for example. My impression is it would be easy to circumvent the ID checks as well as deny responsibility.
There are current technologies in the pipeline to help mitigate against this kind of content online, of which I am contributing to. These will aim to detect this kind of content before it's able to spread or even be posted but it's early days yet.
One final point, silencing this kind of content does not make the problem go away. It doesn't tackle specifically *why* people are racist for example. Personally, I think we should be exploring the underlying factors that contribute to people thinking this kind of behaviour is appropriate and dealing with it on an educational/societal level, as opposed to sweeping it under the rug. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Computer scientist here. Not a good idea in my personal opinion. These are global companies we're talking about and, although this legislation may work in the UK, I fear that normalisation of requiring ID will spill over to less progressive countries. Its still illegal to be gay in over a third of the countries on the planet and in 12 it carries the death penalty. Sure it may help us fight hate in our borders, but the other side of the coin is it'll make it easier for less progressive governments to adopt this policy and persecute people for simply being gay or LGBTQ+. Unless of course Facebook or Twitter allow certain countries to legislate for ID but not others? Seems pretty unlikely to me and puts too much power in the hands of companies that ultimately wish to make a profit. Other groups to consider that require anonymity also include whistleblowers.
Furthermore, alot of people in this country seem to want it both ways. People don't want their privacy infringed but are then willing to give personally identifying information to a private company? You can't have it both ways. From a cyber security perspective, this will make identity theft easier. No system is bulletproof from hackers as can be seen from the LinkedIn, MyFitnessPal and Ashely Madison hacks for example.
The other thing I can't help but think about is how difficult will it actually be to enforce? Not from a ID checking side but from a follow up perspective. Just because you're account is associated with an ID doesn't prove that you're the one that posted such content for example. My impression is it would be easy to circumvent the ID checks as well as deny responsibility.
There are current technologies in the pipeline to help mitigate against this kind of content online, of which I am contributing to. These will aim to detect this kind of content before it's able to spread or even be posted but it's early days yet.
One final point, silencing this kind of content does not make the problem go away. It doesn't tackle specifically *why* people are racist for example. Personally, I think we should be exploring the underlying factors that contribute to people thinking this kind of behaviour is appropriate and dealing with it on an educational/societal level, as opposed to sweeping it under the rug."
Exactly! Some sense!
Logic instead of a knee jerk "I want to speak to the manager" reaction about something most people, do not even have the slightest idea about what they are asking for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Quite literally my field of research. Well, not quite. My colleagues are looking into hate speech and I'm looking into misinformation prevention."
Is that academic or commercially driven? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Conspiracy types or critical thinkers?
We’re digressing from the main topic - but are the terms entirely mutually exclusive?"
Standard lol
They are very much different |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's a paper reviewing current machine learning techniques and their efficacy on detecting fake news articles if that's something that interests you? I'll be posting a pre-print online in the next few weeks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Computer scientist here. Not a good idea in my personal opinion. These are global companies we're talking about and, although this legislation may work in the UK, I fear that normalisation of requiring ID will spill over to less progressive countries. Its still illegal to be gay in over a third of the countries on the planet and in 12 it carries the death penalty. Sure it may help us fight hate in our borders, but the other side of the coin is it'll make it easier for less progressive governments to adopt this policy and persecute people for simply being gay or LGBTQ+. Unless of course Facebook or Twitter allow certain countries to legislate for ID but not others? Seems pretty unlikely to me and puts too much power in the hands of companies that ultimately wish to make a profit. Other groups to consider that require anonymity also include whistleblowers.
Furthermore, alot of people in this country seem to want it both ways. People don't want their privacy infringed but are then willing to give personally identifying information to a private company? You can't have it both ways. From a cyber security perspective, this will make identity theft easier. No system is bulletproof from hackers as can be seen from the LinkedIn, MyFitnessPal and Ashely Madison hacks for example.
The other thing I can't help but think about is how difficult will it actually be to enforce? Not from a ID checking side but from a follow up perspective. Just because you're account is associated with an ID doesn't prove that you're the one that posted such content for example. My impression is it would be easy to circumvent the ID checks as well as deny responsibility.
There are current technologies in the pipeline to help mitigate against this kind of content online, of which I am contributing to. These will aim to detect this kind of content before it's able to spread or even be posted but it's early days yet.
One final point, silencing this kind of content does not make the problem go away. It doesn't tackle specifically *why* people are racist for example. Personally, I think we should be exploring the underlying factors that contribute to people thinking this kind of behaviour is appropriate and dealing with it on an educational/societal level, as opposed to sweeping it under the rug."
I'm dancing a little jig right now.... ooo think i may have twerked! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a paper reviewing current machine learning techniques and their efficacy on detecting fake news articles if that's something that interests you? I'll be posting a pre-print online in the next few weeks. "
Very interesting, we are still at someone inputting the key words right?
Just thinking of the search results on yt and g regarding trump ect. Read some interesting stuff and a few videos from g whistleblowers |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Academic as part of a PhD. First paper to be submitted for publishing soon in a journal in fact! :D "
That’ll be an interesting read i’m sure. Good luck with the work |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Computer scientist here. Not a good idea in my personal opinion. These are global companies we're talking about and, although this legislation may work in the UK, I fear that normalisation of requiring ID will spill over to less progressive countries. Its still illegal to be gay in over a third of the countries on the planet and in 12 it carries the death penalty. Sure it may help us fight hate in our borders, but the other side of the coin is it'll make it easier for less progressive governments to adopt this policy and persecute people for simply being gay or LGBTQ+. Unless of course Facebook or Twitter allow certain countries to legislate for ID but not others? Seems pretty unlikely to me and puts too much power in the hands of companies that ultimately wish to make a profit. Other groups to consider that require anonymity also include whistleblowers.
Furthermore, alot of people in this country seem to want it both ways. People don't want their privacy infringed but are then willing to give personally identifying information to a private company? You can't have it both ways. From a cyber security perspective, this will make identity theft easier. No system is bulletproof from hackers as can be seen from the LinkedIn, MyFitnessPal and Ashely Madison hacks for example.
The other thing I can't help but think about is how difficult will it actually be to enforce? Not from a ID checking side but from a follow up perspective. Just because you're account is associated with an ID doesn't prove that you're the one that posted such content for example. My impression is it would be easy to circumvent the ID checks as well as deny responsibility.
There are current technologies in the pipeline to help mitigate against this kind of content online, of which I am contributing to. These will aim to detect this kind of content before it's able to spread or even be posted but it's early days yet.
One final point, silencing this kind of content does not make the problem go away. It doesn't tackle specifically *why* people are racist for example. Personally, I think we should be exploring the underlying factors that contribute to people thinking this kind of behaviour is appropriate and dealing with it on an educational/societal level, as opposed to sweeping it under the rug."
Needs to be viewed from a social ecological model...the ologies are helpful but only inso far as creating a qaulitive study outcome.
Gosh so much to respond to in your post... this girl is on fiyer!
Please do send me the link to the article  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Thank you
All this kind of research is actually relatively new but as is the case these days people want a solution NOW XD there is stuff in the pipeline, we just need time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Another computer science bod here. I’ve been involved in this for more than 2 decades.
We all know that authoritarian regimes are the first to say “your papers please”. They invent or over promote things to frighten the population into acceptance. This is something we should question very strongly.
If it’s compulsory to be fully identified on social media, conversations will become guarded on lots of topics. My political views are left for the UK and I work a lot in the US. I wouldn’t be able to express an opinion on Twitter if I thought my Republican clients would see it. Maybe that’s a good thing… I think it’s not.
Finally, I’m not sure it’s technically achievable. Validation of identity is one of the hardest nuts to crack, that’s why we still mostly have passwords even though they suck badly. It’s been mentioned earlier that tech companies leak data. At the moment your online presence can flex, if it’s stolen that’s a pain in the ass but you can create another. If you have an immutable, state created ID and it’s lost by a tech company… then what? This has been a problem for decades, it’s not something that government is good at and when the best that the tech giants can come up with is what we have now, I don’t think we want uk.gov trying to solve it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Passport, driving licence, ID online, FAB, FB don't even protect pictures. Identity thieves heaven  "
I don’t think the idea is to post a copy of passport on a profile. Simply that it is verified as part of a account registration process. The passport itself does not even need to be seen, a digital hash of it that has been verified by govt would probably be more practical.
I’ve had to show a passport 3 times this week as part of various commercial transactions. Can’t see how this is really any different.
Correctly implemented it should cut down on ID theft rather than make it easier.
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By (user no longer on site)
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For ID verification to work it'll be facial recognition with a passport upload I imagine. That's the way cloud-based banks do it. Also, just because something is hashed doesn't make it uncrackable! Passwords from MyFitnessPal were all hashed but there's literally a list of emails and passwords where the hash has been cracked. That's why it's recommended you have a complicated password with numbers and special characters...not a characteristic of passport numbers or driving licence numbers! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Passport, driving licence, ID online, FAB, FB don't even protect pictures. Identity thieves heaven
I don’t think the idea is to post a copy of passport on a profile. Simply that it is verified as part of a account registration process. The passport itself does not even need to be seen, a digital hash of it that has been verified by govt would probably be more practical.
I’ve had to show a passport 3 times this week as part of various commercial transactions. Can’t see how this is really any different.
Correctly implemented it should cut down on ID theft rather than make it easier.
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It’s different in that you are giving away a copy to someone else. Hashed or not, you’re sharing your identity. When it gets lost, and it will, how do you recover it? If it can be recovered, how do you prevent someone else recovering it?
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By (user no longer on site)
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Also, does anyone remember the Cambridge Analytica scandal? Literally targeting content based on assumptions on who you were...now social media companies will know EXACTLY who you are |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
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The hackers etc. Wether they are individual or state sponsored will be waiting and ready. Once persons are stored somewhere the hackers will be trying and will succeed. Like others have said apart from knowing who you are etc. For sites like this then you are not only open to identify fraud , but ask for money to not disclose details on internet etc. Yes would depend on type id required, but as photo. How easy is it now due to social media etc. To find someone by using tineye ? or google reverse image. A lot on here post in the forums. To check someones id use those to check. How easy then for hackers and their “skills “ to get more information. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Passport, driving licence, ID online, FAB, FB don't even protect pictures. Identity thieves heaven
I don’t think the idea is to post a copy of passport on a profile. Simply that it is verified as part of a account registration process. The passport itself does not even need to be seen, a digital hash of it that has been verified by govt would probably be more practical.
I’ve had to show a passport 3 times this week as part of various commercial transactions. Can’t see how this is really any different.
Correctly implemented it should cut down on ID theft rather than make it easier.
It’s different in that you are giving away a copy to someone else. Hashed or not, you’re sharing your identity. When it gets lost, and it will, how do you recover it? If it can be recovered, how do you prevent someone else recovering it?
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How do you do that today? Companies house. Umbrella company? Banks etc all want to see passport for registrations of various sorts. As do vetting agencies.
Surely this is no different. I want a new facebook account. It is linked to my ‘Id’ same way as my new bank account or new limited company might be.
The actual public facing social
Media account couple be anonymised and be called whatever you like. But it is is linked to an ID which is traceable in the event of a crime.
I’m not necessarily saying I agree with it. I don’t use much social
Media. Have binned facebook. Never had twitter it insta and rarely use linked in as usually get asked for work rather than have to go looking ….
Technologically there’s no reason it cannot be done. 100s Millions of transactions a day take place with authenticated and verifiable identity. The question is one of framework, ethics and commercial appetite.
Bottom line here is that if authorities want to trace a malicious post they already can. The point of having IDs linked would simply make it far quicker and cheaper. That would result in more prosecutions and fines and maybe that would change behaviours.
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By (user no longer on site)
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What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user. |
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"Passport, driving licence, ID online, FAB, FB don't even protect pictures. Identity thieves heaven
I don’t think the idea is to post a copy of passport on a profile. Simply that it is verified as part of a account registration process. The passport itself does not even need to be seen, a digital hash of it that has been verified by govt would probably be more practical.
I’ve had to show a passport 3 times this week as part of various commercial transactions. Can’t see how this is really any different.
Correctly implemented it should cut down on ID theft rather than make it easier.
It’s different in that you are giving away a copy to someone else. Hashed or not, you’re sharing your identity. When it gets lost, and it will, how do you recover it? If it can be recovered, how do you prevent someone else recovering it?
How do you do that today? Companies house. Umbrella company? Banks etc all want to see passport for registrations of various sorts. As do vetting agencies.
Surely this is no different. I want a new facebook account. It is linked to my ‘Id’ same way as my new bank account or new limited company might be.
The actual public facing social
Media account couple be anonymised and be called whatever you like. But it is is linked to an ID which is traceable in the event of a crime.
I’m not necessarily saying I agree with it. I don’t use much social
Media. Have binned facebook. Never had twitter it insta and rarely use linked in as usually get asked for work rather than have to go looking ….
Technologically there’s no reason it cannot be done. 100s Millions of transactions a day take place with authenticated and verifiable identity. The question is one of framework, ethics and commercial appetite.
Bottom line here is that if authorities want to trace a malicious post they already can. The point of having IDs linked would simply make it far quicker and cheaper. That would result in more prosecutions and fines and maybe that would change behaviours.
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This is an argument of 'well we do this already may as well do this'. It's a slippery slope. People should be careful with who they hand personally identifiable information to. Not just give it out willy-nilly because we have to use it elsewhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user. "
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Also going back to my point of circumventing the ID thing, how easy would it be for a kid to use a parents ID to make an account. Who's accountable then? How do you ensure fraudulent IDs aren't being used? How do you make sure that the ID that's being used corresponds to the actual address the crime took place? What about IDs that have been stolen? All the other things you've suggested that need ID reauire you to go into a place of business in person and present an ID. That wouldn't be the case with Facebook. Sure you could use an passport number, but just because you can provide a passport number doesn't mean it corresponds to you. In terms of facial recognition? Well I'll let you Google how easy it is to fool that.
This is not a simple case of 'oh let's just ID check'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is an argument of 'well we do this already may as well do this'. It's a slippery slope. People should be careful with who they hand personally identifiable information to. Not just give it out willy-nilly because we have to use it elsewhere."
As you’re keen on published papers - there a 261 cure for insomnia that covers how to handle PII
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway! "
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"Those of you that have had the vaccine are int the database now anyway so won’t make any difference to you…  "
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This is an argument of 'well we do this already may as well do this'. It's a slippery slope. People should be careful with who they hand personally identifiable information to. Not just give it out willy-nilly because we have to use it elsewhere.
As you’re keen on published papers - there a 261 cure for insomnia that covers how to handle PII
I wonder how many people realise how easy it is to find real identities for this site should someone have a strong enough desire "
I was waiting for this so I put it to you, if there are already means to identify people without ID what's the point in providing ID? Why provide information for a task that can already be done? |
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"Also going back to my point of circumventing the ID thing, how easy would it be for a kid to use a parents ID to make an account. Who's accountable then? How do you ensure fraudulent IDs aren't being used? How do you make sure that the ID that's being used corresponds to the actual address the crime took place? What about IDs that have been stolen? All the other things you've suggested that need ID reauire you to go into a place of business in person and present an ID. That wouldn't be the case with Facebook. Sure you could use an passport number, but just because you can provide a passport number doesn't mean it corresponds to you. In terms of facial recognition? Well I'll let you Google how easy it is to fool that.
This is not a simple case of 'oh let's just ID check'."
Well… managed to use passport 3 times to register for some quite ‘grown up stuff’ this week (tongue in cheek responsible , bot smutty lol). Did so from comfort of own home. Did bot have to see a human once. So it can be done.
Ever applied for online mortgage?
Ever set up a company?
Ever been vetted for a role?
All verify identity for far more ‘serious’ purposes than the online right to post a meme or a photo of a cat |
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"Also going back to my point of circumventing the ID thing, how easy would it be for a kid to use a parents ID to make an account. Who's accountable then? How do you ensure fraudulent IDs aren't being used? How do you make sure that the ID that's being used corresponds to the actual address the crime took place? What about IDs that have been stolen? All the other things you've suggested that need ID reauire you to go into a place of business in person and present an ID. That wouldn't be the case with Facebook. Sure you could use an passport number, but just because you can provide a passport number doesn't mean it corresponds to you. In terms of facial recognition? Well I'll let you Google how easy it is to fool that.
This is not a simple case of 'oh let's just ID check'.
Well… managed to use passport 3 times to register for some quite ‘grown up stuff’ this week (tongue in cheek responsible , bot smutty lol). Did so from comfort of own home. Did bot have to see a human once. So it can be done.
Ever applied for online mortgage?
Ever set up a company?
Ever been vetted for a role?
All verify identity for far more ‘serious’ purposes than the online right to post a meme or a photo of a cat "
Didn't really answer my question there did you XD of course there are some things where using ID is unavoidable. The point is we have to draw the line somewhere. |
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This is an argument of 'well we do this already may as well do this'. It's a slippery slope. People should be careful with who they hand personally identifiable information to. Not just give it out willy-nilly because we have to use it elsewhere.
As you’re keen on published papers - there a 261 cure for insomnia that covers how to handle PII
I wonder how many people realise how easy it is to find real identities for this site should someone have a strong enough desire
I was waiting for this so I put it to you, if there are already means to identify people without ID what's the point in providing ID? Why provide information for a task that can already be done? "
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legality. I said it was relatively straightforward not that enforcement or companies can do it without repercussion. |
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If it carries on you will need photo id for just about for everything.
Wether its online or walking in the streets.
Just another con to get all your details into one system to sell to private companies.
Next it will be scan your id as you walk into the shopping center, everything you shop for will need photo id.
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"Recently there has been a online petition set up to make it a requirement to have to send a type of photographic ID such as a driving licence or passport to set up a social media account.
What’s people’s thoughts? Good idea or is it a step too far? "
I wonder if the op has permission to post the lady up on this site did you get her permission in writing before you posted that pic. ?
Have you provided written consent to post that pic that has most of her in it.?
have you covered up any identifiable marks that can point to her. ?
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding. "
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding.
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
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Kinda contradictory to the point you made regarding the there being other means to verify other people's identity no? The link isn't literal, the link is should a hacker gain access to one how vulnerable does it make the other. |
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding.
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
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"Also going back to my point of circumventing the ID thing, how easy would it be for a kid to use a parents ID to make an account. Who's accountable then? How do you ensure fraudulent IDs aren't being used? How do you make sure that the ID that's being used corresponds to the actual address the crime took place? What about IDs that have been stolen? All the other things you've suggested that need ID reauire you to go into a place of business in person and present an ID. That wouldn't be the case with Facebook. Sure you could use an passport number, but just because you can provide a passport number doesn't mean it corresponds to you. In terms of facial recognition? Well I'll let you Google how easy it is to fool that.
This is not a simple case of 'oh let's just ID check'.
Well… managed to use passport 3 times to register for some quite ‘grown up stuff’ this week (tongue in cheek responsible , bot smutty lol). Did so from comfort of own home. Did bot have to see a human once. So it can be done.
Ever applied for online mortgage?
Ever set up a company?
Ever been vetted for a role?
All verify identity for far more ‘serious’ purposes than the online right to post a meme or a photo of a cat "
I’ve said a couple of times that it’s not a simple problem to solve. It’s not been solved.
The examples you list are all done on a balance of risk, they are all quite elitist and exclusive and relatively costly especially when compared to pretty much free, which is the current cost…
If someone attempts to commit ID fraud on a mortgage, there is an address, ultimately the property can be recovered by the bank, the funds are handled by a licensed conveyancing lawer. The risk of a fake identity is mitigated in several ways through quite an expensive process.
Setting up a company is not exactly a shining example, we all see shisters with limited companies in family names becase they have been bankrupt in the past. Also not free.
Vetting for a role generally involves getting personal references and it’s still not without issues and takes time.
Identifying the population of the UK accurately and with a level of fraud that would be acceptable, tollerent of poor implementation by unknown tech companies and at a cost we can accept is not a solved problem. Not even close.
Regardless of all that, it’s not even a good idea. Which is probably the main reason for not doing it.
It’s almost as daft an idea as David Cameron attempting to ban internet porn. People said that was possible too. |
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding.
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere? "
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
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I’m 100% for this on social media. It’ll make all these little internet gangsters and keyboard warriors think twice before they troll someone or spout racial abuse. It’s about time these cowards were held accountable for their actions.
Not sure if anyone has seen, but footballer Tom Cairney who plays for Fulham is leading on the development of a new social media platform which will require users to be ID verified if they want to use it. |
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding.
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
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So do you not see how having your ID linked to everything could lead to potential issues? You don't think that's a reality? |
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Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
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if any company that is not eu then its not protected by GDPR
If its usa its shield and its not worth the paper its written upon.
usa have very laxed data protection and are more interested in selling your details than protecting it.
Uk companies are defined by ico and are at moment classed as adequate by the euro council. |
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding.
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
So do you not see how having your ID linked to everything could lead to potential issues? You don't think that's a reality?"
Same could be said of your phone. Anything you do from your phone is linked to the same ID you use to log onto it. Of course there could be issues. But those risk vectors already exist. I think people imagine these systems will have a nice big picture of one’s passport and bank statement and the pin number attached to anyone who adds a facebook friend |
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Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
if any company that is not eu then its not protected by GDPR
If its usa its shield and its not worth the paper its written upon.
usa have very laxed data protection and are more interested in selling your details than protecting it.
Uk companies are defined by ico and are at moment classed as adequate by the euro council."
GDPR was wttten into British law in the Data Protection act 2018. I’m not sure that anything you wrote is actually correct. What does “defined by ico” actually mean? Registered with the ICO, yes. “Defined by ico” who knows where to start with that? |
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"What if we don't want Facebook linked to our bank account or whatever?? I can't see how having a link to all online accounts makes it safer for the user.
I think the thrust of the OP is that there was a campaign to have real identities linked to online identities to make social media content more accountable.
I could insult you here for no understanding. If my real identity was easily traceable to make me accountable in the event that the manner in which you had been insulted was a crime. Then maybe if the likelihood of being held accountable was higher then the chance of such an insult would be lower.
Facebook is a total crock of shit anyway!
But if you're using the same proof of ID for everything how is that not linked?? You're not insulting me by lack of understanding.
Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
So do you not see how having your ID linked to everything could lead to potential issues? You don't think that's a reality?
Same could be said of your phone. Anything you do from your phone is linked to the same ID you use to log onto it. Of course there could be issues. But those risk vectors already exist. I think people imagine these systems will have a nice big picture of one’s passport and bank statement and the pin number attached to anyone who adds a facebook friend "
OK. Go for it if you like. I'm not so keen. So I'll be dubious about it. |
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"Facebook's lower age limit is 13. Plenty of 13 year olds have no ID.
I think they suggested parents provide ID for under 16s "
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"Recently there has been a online petition set up to make it a requirement to have to send a type of photographic ID such as a driving licence or passport to set up a social media account. It’s had over 500k signatures so far. I personally think it’s a good idea as it stops people creating fake accounts to scam people or ruin people’s reputation. Also what are people’s thoughts on it being used for dating sites and sites like fab?
I have 2 female friends that have had pictures used from their Facebook profiles to set up accounts on fab. It caused a lot of issues and the police were informed, I reported another one of these accounts today and it’s quickly been removed but I have no doubt it will happen again so the photo ID requirement would stop this.
What’s people’s thoughts? Good idea or is it a step too far? "
Well that would be me stuffed, haven’t got any photo ID. |
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Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
if any company that is not eu then its not protected by GDPR
If its usa its shield and its not worth the paper its written upon.
usa have very laxed data protection and are more interested in selling your details than protecting it.
Uk companies are defined by ico and are at moment classed as adequate by the euro council.
GDPR was wttten into British law in the Data Protection act 2018. I’m not sure that anything you wrote is actually correct. What does “defined by ico” actually mean? Registered with the ICO, yes. “Defined by ico” who knows where to start with that? "
With Brexit it's hard to say but the the UK's Data Protection act and EU's GDPR are pretty damn similar anyway. ICO is just the regulatory body. |
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"GDPR was wttten into British law in the Data Protection act 2018. I’m not sure that anything you wrote is actually correct. What does “defined by ico” actually mean? Registered with the ICO, yes. “Defined by ico” who knows where to start with that? "
"GDPR dosnt exist in the uk we have dpa instead with a varient of gdpr included which at the moment is classed as:
ref:EU rules UK data protection is ‘adequate’ in boost for business
British data protection standards are “adequate”, the EU has ruled in a long-awaited decision that lets digital information continue to flow between the UK and the bloc. But Brussels warned Boris Johnson’s government the decision could be revoked “immediately” if it sees weakening UK standards.
which the uk government will reduce to sell or use the usa system.
ref:UK government to consider gutting GDPR rules
The taskforce, comprising three senior Conservative MPs, has branded GDPR “prescriptive and inflexible” and has urged Boris Johnson to replace the rules with a new framework for data protection that doesn’t stifle growth and innovation.
Although GDPR applied to British organisations when it came into force in May 2018, the UK passed its own law in the form of the Data Protection Act (DPA) 2018, which mirrored the majority of GDPR but deviated in some areas. For instance, the DPA cites a higher number of lawful bases for processing sensitive data.
The report suggests the data protection status quo benefits tech giants, which are able to afford the compliance burden due to their business models, which involve profiting from processing personal data.
the us is known as third world country for dpa protection on your data
ref:EU vs US: What Are the Differences Between Their Data Privacy Laws?
The Privacy Shield also fails to address the individual privacy rights vouchsafed by the GDPR. The right to be forgotten as well as the mandatory appointment of data protection officers by processors of large quantities of personal information of EU data subjects are only some of the GDPR compliance requirements the EU-US Privacy Shield does not include.
The essential difference between the US and EU when it comes to privacy laws and data protection is their point of focus. The US seems more concerned with integrity of data as a commercial asset, while the EU, with the GDPR, has firmly put individual rights before the interest of businesses. In the EU, it will be companies that will be held liable in the eyes of the law and pay if they fail to protect EU data subjects’ data.
we are uk based so if our data has excaped we have to take that company to court in there country not in our own.
ref:UK – EU Cross-Border Disputes: Where Should I Bring My Claim?"
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Enlighten me. How would showing your ID to e.g Facebook in a one off exercise to validate who you are establish a link with your bank account?
You don't think they store this info somewhere?
Of course they do. How it stored, for how long and where is the real concern. Depending on how the IDAM system is designed and the PII regulatory framework in operation at the time. Currently GDPR or similar I assume.
if any company that is not eu then its not protected by GDPR
If its usa its shield and its not worth the paper its written upon.
usa have very laxed data protection and are more interested in selling your details than protecting it.
Uk companies are defined by ico and are at moment classed as adequate by the euro council.
GDPR was wttten into British law in the Data Protection act 2018. I’m not sure that anything you wrote is actually correct. What does “defined by ico” actually mean? Registered with the ICO, yes. “Defined by ico” who knows where to start with that?
With Brexit it's hard to say but the the UK's Data Protection act and EU's GDPR are pretty damn similar anyway. ICO is just the regulatory body."
It’s not hard to say, it’s written into UK law, it’s totally black and white.
See here: https://www.gov.uk/data-protection
Information Commissioner’s Office. I know, I’ve registered several companies with them.
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As goes for ico did any of you flyers get your 1 to 2 thousand pound refud due to ba losing its data
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Oi! Our British Airways data breach compo sueball is still going, shouts rival law firm
Did any of you see any money out of the 20 million
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"Anyone remember the Ashley Madison scandal?
Wouldn't do it. Not worth the risk for a lot of people in certain jobs."
Yep and hence no photos and an email address just for Fab account. Im still on Ashley and theres loads of fake accounts on there like on here
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I posted earlier. My main concerns for this . You have to give photo id to prove who you are.
If passport this only proves you have uploaded a passport picture. It does not prove id.
Driving licence . This yes proves id . But could be fake. Then this give info . Date of birth , address. Which for id theft and if persons who access this information lots more for id theft and tracking due to way accessed info possible demands for money say for being on Fab.
Credit card as far as I know no photo id yet. ?
I know people on Fab say they are not bothered if they are found out about being on Fab. How many have that opinion and not bothered if family , friends and workmates found out ? |
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"I posted earlier. My main concerns for this . You have to give photo id to prove who you are.
If passport this only proves you have uploaded a passport picture. It does not prove id.
Driving licence . This yes proves id . But could be fake. Then this give info . Date of birth , address. Which for id theft and if persons who access this information lots more for id theft and tracking due to way accessed info possible demands for money say for being on Fab.
Credit card as far as I know no photo id yet. ?
I know people on Fab say they are not bothered if they are found out about being on Fab. How many have that opinion and not bothered if family , friends and workmates found out ? "
Ref Credit Card photo ID, it has been done in the past. Royal Bank of Scotland trialled it in the early 90's on their Credit Cards, at all levels from Stansard issue right up to Gold cards.
I'd one such Card, with a passport photo I supplied with my card application at my branch; that photo was shrunk down to fit on the rear of the card below the signature part. Their trial lasted about 5 years and it apparently cut Credit card thefts and subsequent fraudulent use by a very high percentage.
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"I posted earlier. My main concerns for this . You have to give photo id to prove who you are.
If passport this only proves you have uploaded a passport picture. It does not prove id.
Driving licence . This yes proves id . But could be fake. Then this give info . Date of birth , address. Which for id theft and if persons who access this information lots more for id theft and tracking due to way accessed info possible demands for money say for being on Fab.
Credit card as far as I know no photo id yet. ?
I know people on Fab say they are not bothered if they are found out about being on Fab. How many have that opinion and not bothered if family , friends and workmates found out ?
Ref Credit Card photo ID, it has been done in the past. Royal Bank of Scotland trialled it in the early 90's on their Credit Cards, at all levels from Stansard issue right up to Gold cards.
I'd one such Card, with a passport photo I supplied with my card application at my branch; that photo was shrunk down to fit on the rear of the card below the signature part. Their trial lasted about 5 years and it apparently cut Credit card thefts and subsequent fraudulent use by a very high percentage.
However, the operational costs were too high and it was discontinued after those 5 years."
Yes I did not know. Yet again if things work , then problem comes back to cost. So I will use “companies” will not do if cost is affecting profits etc. |
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Surely anything that makes social media safer is a good thing?! I never have or ever will give my socials out on here, same as i have all my social stuff set to private so only friends and family can see. Online safety was a huge thing in school so i think i was lucky growing up when i did. My mum, aunt uncle etc are a bit clueless about it all....one benefit of being a naughties girl i guess  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Surely anything that makes social media safer is a good thing?! I never have or ever will give my socials out on here, same as i have all my social stuff set to private so only friends and family can see. Online safety was a huge thing in school so i think i was lucky growing up when i did. My mum, aunt uncle etc are a bit clueless about it all....one benefit of being a naughties girl i guess "
It won’t make social media safer. It’s garbage, unenforceable and wrong headed from the start.
It will make social medial more dangerous for anyone where it’s still illegal to be gay or bisexual. It would be impossible to be yourself online. |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
"Surely anything that makes social media safer is a good thing?! I never have or ever will give my socials out on here, same as i have all my social stuff set to private so only friends and family can see. Online safety was a huge thing in school so i think i was lucky growing up when i did. My mum, aunt uncle etc are a bit clueless about it all....one benefit of being a naughties girl i guess "
Yes very true. But one mistake on opening an email etc . Could leave you “open”. Hopefully you have a very good internet security installed on device ? Yes I use iphone and imac which is less prone to virus etc. But not full proof. This is biggest problem using internet . Downloads of every type can have virus which access your data on device. Uploading sat drivers licence gives total access to “hackers” |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
Hull |
"The 90s and today...two very different beasts. Interesting concept though."
There was an extension to the Scottish version of the Senior Bus Pass scheme known in England, which was known up there as the Scottish Entitlement Card back in 2016, when I worked there then.
As I was 60+ then, I qualified for my card, which not only allowed me my free travel on all buses (just as it does in England & the rest of the UK), but it also acted as a photo ID card for use on trains on which in certain services, there was free travel within a specified distance from your home town station.
It also acted as an ID Card to enter libraries, museums and other civic buildings across Scotland, and for admissions to tourist attractions, theatres, cinemas and other venues where a Senior Discount on tickets was possible, it was valuable proof too to secure said discount.
I could also use it on Inter-City Express coach and Megabus services free of charge throughout Scotland. It was a boon then for me as a non driver. It also acted as discount proof in some retail outlets.
I think it's the same still, but the English version doesn't have the same options. |
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Absolutely. It will be a massive crack down on bullying, trolls and keyboard warriors so although there are drawbacks to it, I’d be supporting it if it helps prevent bullying and cyber stalking.
Not sure what kids will do though as they don’t really have photo ID and bullying from anon accounts in schools is rife. |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
As I have said yes would be very good. How do you stop accounts being hacked etc. Causing perhaps as I have said requests for money , or ID theft? No “system” is totally secure at the moment. Yet ID theft , scammers are actually on increase. . So increasing Id online will enable more problems ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Like anything there are pluses and negatives and they've all been covered quite extensively.
I'd echo the main issue for a site like here is the security factor. As there are many on here that need (let alone prefer) to keep their identity secret then sites such as Fab will prove a tempting target for the hackers. Especially with tabloid hacks waiting with blank cheques. Because they certainly do!
The other issue which hasn't been covered quite as much is Fab is still a business. Ok, its free but it does get Lovehoney etc.. ad revenue and also most of us pay for our little gold and silver medals. So its about 'bums on seats' and if there is any barrier to stop people joining (or make them leave) then footfall will decrease. The simplest economic models preach that is a big no-no. Plus there would be a cost to the admin on here of instigating such changes.
I feel these two points would heavily sway the answer to the OP's question. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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Dont think it would work. Pretty sure that all you would do create a market for fake documents so that the crooks and thieves could continue to create profiles.
It might stop some of the trolls but as they can be traced even now if the authorities wanted doubt it would have an effect. |
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