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By *luttTV/TS
over a year ago
Duns |
"A girl who went sick from work was seen at the England v Denmark match.
Should she be sacked ?"
I’d say a warning - if there have been warnings before, then maybe a sacking would be appropriate. |
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over a year ago
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"A girl who went sick from work was seen at the England v Denmark match.
Should she be sacked ?
I’d say a warning - if there have been warnings before, then maybe a sacking would be appropriate. "
Yellow card. |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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Depends. Was she sat there with a sick bucket and a bottle of lucozade?
Did she say she had a bad back but did the conga when the Mariachi band started up?
There needs to be more information before I can commit to an answer. |
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It’s harsh but at the same time, all depends on her contract clauses (some have lying as gross misconduct) and whether she left her business short handed.
Best policy is always to be honest. If you can’t manage that then at least disguise yourself ! |
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I suppose there is more of a back story to this, if she has been of sick for sometime and recovering there is no reason why she should not be out and about, fit to be out and fit to work can be different so maybe no she shouldn't.
if she had asked her boss for the day off and he said no and she went sick that day to go to the match then yes she should.
world of difference in the two scenarios i think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Slow news day ?
Slow news ?
The girl got a chance of a lifetime to go to Wembley..
Should she have been sacked Jeans?"
I don't think Wembley is going to be knocked down anytime soon. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Slow news day ?
Slow news ?
The girl got a chance of a lifetime to go to Wembley..
Should she have been sacked Jeans?
I don't think Wembley is going to be knocked down anytime soon."
Jimbo is the voice of reason..
Sack the bitch  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Slow news day ?
Slow news ?
The girl got a chance of a lifetime to go to Wembley..
Should she have been sacked Jeans?
I don't think Wembley is going to be knocked down anytime soon.
Jimbo is the voice of reason..
Sack the bitch "
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"Depends. Was she sat there with a sick bucket and a bottle of lucozade?
Did she say she had a bad back but did the conga when the Mariachi band started up?
There needs to be more information before I can commit to an answer."
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9771119/amp/Woman-37-fired-job-boss-sees-TV-celebrating-goal-England-match.html |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Slow news day ?
Slow news ?
The girl got a chance of a lifetime to go to Wembley..
Should she have been sacked Jeans?
I don't think Wembley is going to be knocked down anytime soon.
Jimbo is the voice of reason..
Sack the bitch "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it depends.
I personally think unless she has a history of this sort of thing or previous misconduct warnings then I would say a warning was appropriate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fallow the standard practice accordingly
Ie if it’s warring or finally warring
Just because she want to a England game dose not make it any different that being off
You can do what you want in your own time no matter what try and tell me other wise and find you and your company bankrupt for brake human rights laws |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
I’ve caught several staff in lies before. Once a member of staff called in sick, I went for a drink after work and saw him in a bar with all of his friends.
I found that a stern discussion and a warning were sufficient, so a sacking is probably extreme, especially given the circumstances |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?"
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy. |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy. "
This ^ and the boss said as much. She only had to ask but chose to lie instead. In my old firm that is gross misconduct and out the door |
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy"
In that case sack the bitch. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Absolutely. She didn’t book it off because it’s already short staffed…. So they needed her to be there then but she didn’t give a shit about her colleagues being left with the work load.
Maybe harsh but I’ve had plenty of colleagues who have took the piss over the years and everyone else is left to pick up the crap |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy"
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If this was a ‘first offence’ it is likely that a written warning would be an appropriate penalty. Tribunal cases tend to favour a lenient approach to unauthorised abscence. If dismissed she may have a reasonable case at tribunal. |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy.
This ^ and the boss said as much. She only had to ask but chose to lie instead. In my old firm that is gross misconduct and out the door "
Sorry I’ve ignored it before… it’s popped up again … lying is gross misconduct? In a contract ? |
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"If this was a ‘first offence’ it is likely that a written warning would be an appropriate penalty. Tribunal cases tend to favour a lenient approach to unauthorised abscence. If dismissed she may have a reasonable case at tribunal. "
Depends how long she has worked there, less than a year then she can't take it to a tribunal. |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy.
This ^ and the boss said as much. She only had to ask but chose to lie instead. In my old firm that is gross misconduct and out the door
Sorry I’ve ignored it before… it’s popped up again … lying is gross misconduct? In a contract ? "
She phoned in sick when they were short staffed. And was caught on National TV clearly not sick. She deserved to be sacked!
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
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But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there. |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy.
This ^ and the boss said as much. She only had to ask but chose to lie instead. In my old firm that is gross misconduct and out the door
Sorry I’ve ignored it before… it’s popped up again … lying is gross misconduct? In a contract ? "
Yes. Obviously there are different levels and procedures to be followed, but this instance my company would have done the same. I’ve seen people go for similar.
Honesty is always best. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there."
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would she not just book the day off instead of pulling a sickie? 
She got last minute tickets."
Ahhh... I see it from both sides. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for her and can understand why she did it. However, if I was her co-worker, I would be pissed! What gives her the right to pull a sickie if we needed her?
She shouldn't be sacked, just warned, but her reputation may be irreparable at her current company. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Her sacking is a matter between her and her former employer.
But being plastered all over the media is worse I imagine. That’s not going to help her future prospects. Wonder who tipped off the press? |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check "
Article 4 which as I am sure you're aware covers enforced labour and another word that is banned on the forums hardly applies to a paid employee who has of their own free will signed a contract of employment to do a job and who was in breach of that contract by lying in order to attend the game.
Especially when she has compounded it by openly admitting what she had done in the press and not showing the slightest bit of remorse for her actions.
But you believe what you want to believe  |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy.
This ^ and the boss said as much. She only had to ask but chose to lie instead. In my old firm that is gross misconduct and out the door
Sorry I’ve ignored it before… it’s popped up again … lying is gross misconduct? In a contract ?
Yes. Obviously there are different levels and procedures to be followed, but this instance my company would have done the same. I’ve seen people go for similar.
Honesty is always best. "
Yes but lying .. gross misconduct? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Article 4 which as I am sure you're aware covers enforced labour and another word that is banned on the forums hardly applies to a paid employee who has of their own free will signed a contract of employment to do a job and who was in breach of that contract by lying in order to attend the game.
Especially when she has compounded it by openly admitting what she had done in the press and not showing the slightest bit of remorse for her actions.
But you believe what you want to believe "
That’s why I couldn’t post the loophole as the forums have it banned
But once you phoned sick
Your now on your own time with the company trying to tell you you can’t go they
Fallow under a banned world on the forums
The company should have fallowed they hr guide lines off stander sick
Ie off one time in a 6 months period warring
Off 2 times in a 6 months period finely warring
Off 3 times in a 6 months period sack
With them not fallow this they opened a loophole off forced labourer |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"Obviously she is in the wrong...
However was there not a ruling only the other week where a judge ruled someone on sick leave had a right to be in a pub...
Something along those lines..."
Wouldn't that depend on what illness they had? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Obviously she is in the wrong...
However was there not a ruling only the other week where a judge ruled someone on sick leave had a right to be in a pub...
Something along those lines..."
Yip because it fallows under the human rights act off forced labourer |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy.
This ^ and the boss said as much. She only had to ask but chose to lie instead. In my old firm that is gross misconduct and out the door
Sorry I’ve ignored it before… it’s popped up again … lying is gross misconduct? In a contract ?
Yes. Obviously there are different levels and procedures to be followed, but this instance my company would have done the same. I’ve seen people go for similar.
Honesty is always best.
Yes but lying .. gross misconduct? "
Yes some professions require integrity and honesty as a basic, breach it how can you be trusted in your role. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"There's nothing to say you have to be house bound when sick 
If you're off with stress for example you are encouraged to get out and about to lift your mood. "
What did she say was wrong with her though? |
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"There's nothing to say you have to be house bound when sick
If you're off with stress for example you are encouraged to get out and about to lift your mood.
What did she say was wrong with her though?"
Dunno haven't read the story lol
I think she was bloody stupid going to a televised match that almost all the country would be watching.
Dong think she should be sacked but her absence should be investigated and pay fucked accordingly. Perhaps a warning of some kind depending on previous conduct. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"There's nothing to say you have to be house bound when sick
If you're off with stress for example you are encouraged to get out and about to lift your mood.
What did she say was wrong with her though?
Dunno haven't read the story lol
I think she was bloody stupid going to a televised match that almost all the country would be watching.
Dong think she should be sacked but her absence should be investigated and pay fucked accordingly. Perhaps a warning of some kind depending on previous conduct. "
Her boss might have been pissed off that he didn't get a ticket  |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check "
Ah well we are quoting employment law let's start with the actual company policies which she should have been made to sign. One will say undoubtedly say the lying is gross misconduct. Secondly by lying they have broken the employers trust which means that they cannot be trusted in similar circumstances or in other matters where they are required to tell the truth. So long as the company follows it disciplinary procedure correctly and considers all alternative punishments and can justify why it chose to sack her then a tribunal cannot overturn a decision no matter how harsh it may seem. As for Human Rights they don't come into it in this case they would not have sacked her for attending the game but for lying about being sick when she clearly wasn't and they have TV footage to back this up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This thread proves to me I was right to be self employed most of my working life. Heavens.
No-one has ever pulled a sickie here? Ever? 
I will ask you all again Monday evening. |
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Article 4 which as I am sure you're aware covers enforced labour and another word that is banned on the forums hardly applies to a paid employee who has of their own free will signed a contract of employment to do a job and who was in breach of that contract by lying in order to attend the game.
Especially when she has compounded it by openly admitting what she had done in the press and not showing the slightest bit of remorse for her actions.
But you believe what you want to believe
That’s why I couldn’t post the loophole as the forums have it banned
But once you phoned sick
Your now on your own time with the company trying to tell you you can’t go they
Fallow under a banned world on the forums
The company should have fallowed they hr guide lines off stander sick
Ie off one time in a 6 months period warring
Off 2 times in a 6 months period finely warring
Off 3 times in a 6 months period sack
With them not fallow this they opened a loophole off forced labourer "
What?!
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It's not gross misconduct so she can't be instantly dismissed when a person phones in sick it means they are stating that they are physically,mentally or in some form or another unable to to there job... that doesn't mean the person in question must be bed bound.
Granted it doesn't look good but I think the company could find themselves in a lot of hot water should they decide to dismiss her for it |
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Lets be honest it has happened in every work place and every company for years; hey boss can i have tomorrow off - sorry no we are short staffed = tomorrow comes they ring in sick; try to prove they are lying its hard see them on TV 200 miles away at the game they wanted the day off to go to - not sick taking the piss and leaving their colleagues to pick up the slack. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Ah well we are quoting employment law let's start with the actual company policies which she should have been made to sign. One will say undoubtedly say the lying is gross misconduct. Secondly by lying they have broken the employers trust which means that they cannot be trusted in similar circumstances or in other matters where they are required to tell the truth. So long as the company follows it disciplinary procedure correctly and considers all alternative punishments and can justify why it chose to sack her then a tribunal cannot overturn a decision no matter how harsh it may seem. As for Human Rights they don't come into it in this case they would not have sacked her for attending the game but for lying about being sick when she clearly wasn't and they have TV footage to back this up."
Off corse it dose if your tell me I can’t do this that and the next thing it comes under forced labourer witch is the human rights act witch trumps ever law
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57411812
How’s it any different than this tribunal f that straight to human rights cort by by company and all |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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"It's not gross misconduct so she can't be instantly dismissed when a person phones in sick it means they are stating that they are physically,mentally or in some form or another unable to to there job... that doesn't mean the person in question must be bed bound.
Granted it doesn't look good but I think the company could find themselves in a lot of hot water should they decide to dismiss her for it "
The company sets its own gross misconduct standards there are no defined set in employment law. Yes the standard ones will be in there but depending on the company and the nature of its business that will decide what they see as gross misconduct. Same disciplinary policies some will have a progression of verbal warming, written warning, final warning etc but they don't have to. Similarly any step can be missed out depending on the nature of the offense and the damage caused to the company. As said previous so.long as they follow their procedures as they have laid them down and can justify why they took the decisions they did then their is little they can do.
I would imagine being caught on TV and then admitting to it in the press would mean a harsher penalty that just keeping quiet and going to her disciplinary and saying fair cop as they have most likely brought their employer to national attention and could potentially damage customer relationships. Extreme I know but has to be considered. |
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Ah well we are quoting employment law let's start with the actual company policies which she should have been made to sign. One will say undoubtedly say the lying is gross misconduct. Secondly by lying they have broken the employers trust which means that they cannot be trusted in similar circumstances or in other matters where they are required to tell the truth. So long as the company follows it disciplinary procedure correctly and considers all alternative punishments and can justify why it chose to sack her then a tribunal cannot overturn a decision no matter how harsh it may seem. As for Human Rights they don't come into it in this case they would not have sacked her for attending the game but for lying about being sick when she clearly wasn't and they have TV footage to back this up.
Off corse it dose if your tell me I can’t do this that and the next thing it comes under forced labourer witch is the human rights act witch trumps ever law
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57411812
How’s it any different than this tribunal f that straight to human rights cort by by company and all "
No where in that article does it quote the human rights act though. He won it because of the companies poor policies and adherence, as with most tribunal wins. |
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"Half the country will be sacked on Monday then imagine all those phone calls in from people with “COVID symptoms” n “upset stomachs”  "
A lot of employers and even schools have set later start times lol |
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Depends on what the company policy says on code of conduct and absence and the industry she works in
In my job it is a pain in the arse when people ring in sick because you have to find cover from either other staff or pay an agency which is expensive.
And being woken up by my phone ringing at half five in the morning by staff ringing in sick then the rush to find cover is not fun so no, I do not have sympathy for her whatsoever...
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Ah well we are quoting employment law let's start with the actual company policies which she should have been made to sign. One will say undoubtedly say the lying is gross misconduct. Secondly by lying they have broken the employers trust which means that they cannot be trusted in similar circumstances or in other matters where they are required to tell the truth. So long as the company follows it disciplinary procedure correctly and considers all alternative punishments and can justify why it chose to sack her then a tribunal cannot overturn a decision no matter how harsh it may seem. As for Human Rights they don't come into it in this case they would not have sacked her for attending the game but for lying about being sick when she clearly wasn't and they have TV footage to back this up.
Off corse it dose if your tell me I can’t do this that and the next thing it comes under forced labourer witch is the human rights act witch trumps ever law
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57411812
How’s it any different than this tribunal f that straight to human rights cort by by company and all
No where in that article does it quote the human rights act though. He won it because of the companies poor policies and adherence, as with most tribunal wins. "
He took it to a tribunal cort to get his job back
If he was smart it was past that I can’t say what it falls under as the forums have the word banned starts with a S and then labour
All depends on how the person wants to handle it he chose to take it to a tribunal to get his job back
I on the other hand would have burned the company to the ground and left the bord blame the manager for not falling though with hr process |
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Ah well we are quoting employment law let's start with the actual company policies which she should have been made to sign. One will say undoubtedly say the lying is gross misconduct. Secondly by lying they have broken the employers trust which means that they cannot be trusted in similar circumstances or in other matters where they are required to tell the truth. So long as the company follows it disciplinary procedure correctly and considers all alternative punishments and can justify why it chose to sack her then a tribunal cannot overturn a decision no matter how harsh it may seem. As for Human Rights they don't come into it in this case they would not have sacked her for attending the game but for lying about being sick when she clearly wasn't and they have TV footage to back this up.
Off corse it dose if your tell me I can’t do this that and the next thing it comes under forced labourer witch is the human rights act witch trumps ever law
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57411812
How’s it any different than this tribunal f that straight to human rights cort by by company and all
No where in that article does it quote the human rights act though. He won it because of the companies poor policies and adherence, as with most tribunal wins.
He took it to a tribunal cort to get his job back
If he was smart it was past that I can’t say what it falls under as the forums have the word banned starts with a S and then labour
All depends on how the person wants to handle it he chose to take it to a tribunal to get his job back
I on the other hand would have burned the company to the ground and left the bord blame the manager for not falling though with hr process "
I know what you are alluding to but you are wrong. I copied a link to the equality and human rights commission information on how and when the human rights act applies and it only applies to private companies when carrying out public duties.
The case you quoted from the BBC was won at an employment tribunal that deals with employment law and he won purely because their policies were weak and not followed. It has nothing to do with forced Labour or s*avery because they were not forcing him to work. They were accusing him of not being as sick as he made out because he went to the pub. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Well, she bunked off work to watch a football match. I don't think she can really complain.
I don't know about her previous conduct, whether she was a model employee or someone who routinely took the piss. Also I don't know what she did for a living, was it something critical like being a doctor or whether her sickie dumped a load of extra work on her co-workers or caused her employer some trouble? |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
Ok here we go…..
As someone who often goes to matches I make sure that work are completely clear at what games I am attending or not attending.
If I have called in sick which in the last 6 years probably been no more than 3 times, then I stay at home. Now I have often been in situation that I may have been up half the night being sick but by lunchtime I am a bit better.
You can go to a football match and still be sick for your job. For example if your a driver and on medication that means you can’t drive you could still go to a match
I think in this case the woman hasn’t helped herself but not being open and transparent. |
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That was unlucky,
It said she didn't even try asking for the day off first either.
All actions have consequences and if you lie and then attend a televised football game, you've taken a risk which didn't pay off.
Like others said, it depends on her previous work record etc, as to if she deserved the sack.
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"Technically,if she was there outside working hours what's the issue?
That she chucked a sickie to be able to get there - she's based in Leeds
Breach of the terms of her employment so really has no leg to stand on.
Is it harsh on the part of the employer? I don't think so, if everyone chucked a sickie to watch a game they'd be losing money so had to set an example.
And the quotes from her in the press hardly show remorse either, so have little sympathy
She has a leg to stand on breach off human rights it’s agenst the law to tell anyone what they can do in they own time regardless off a sick day
But it wasn't her own time - she was supposed to be off sick (and has admitted she wasn't) when actually she was travelling to the game - at a time when she was contracted to be at work.
Yes being at the game itself was outside of company hours and she's entitled to do what she wants then - although morally I'd suggest it was shady - but when she was supposed to be at work and was in fact travelling to the game sorry but no human rights breached there.
Off corse it was she sed she was sick make it her own time and covered under Article 4 off the human rights act if I owned i company I would send ever manger to law school as it’s shocking how meny compey daily put they compey in danger by not knowing legal law I love it when I get a someone like that I just smile and say cut the check
Ah well we are quoting employment law let's start with the actual company policies which she should have been made to sign. One will say undoubtedly say the lying is gross misconduct. Secondly by lying they have broken the employers trust which means that they cannot be trusted in similar circumstances or in other matters where they are required to tell the truth. So long as the company follows it disciplinary procedure correctly and considers all alternative punishments and can justify why it chose to sack her then a tribunal cannot overturn a decision no matter how harsh it may seem. As for Human Rights they don't come into it in this case they would not have sacked her for attending the game but for lying about being sick when she clearly wasn't and they have TV footage to back this up."
Undoubtedly lying as gross misconduct? Never seen it …. How would the contract then sort the severity of lie… “I didn’t use the last of the milk”…. “Yes you did you’re dismissed!” ? |
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"She could have told her boss she had a once in a lifetime opportunity to go, and asked for time off. No one wants someone working for them who's going to be untrustworthy. "
It says in the article that the boss said if she had asked he would have given the time off, its the fact she lied. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"I wouldn’t have risked my job for it even though it is a once in a lifetime opportunity. You take risks you have to be willing to take the consequences. It’s unfortunate but yes she should go. "
Yes or no would have sufficed |
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On a lighter note the Incident reminds one of the famous Llanelli famous victory 9-3 over the NZ All blacks in 1972(or was it 73) and the ode written by Max Boyce to commemorate the win with the line
"We all had doctors papers and they all said the same..
We all had scarlet fever and we caught it at the game"
Should our non celtic neighbours win sunday evening...how many sickies are going to be pulled monday morning.. |
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"I wouldn’t have risked my job for it even though it is a once in a lifetime opportunity. You take risks you have to be willing to take the consequences. It’s unfortunate but yes she should go.
Yes or no would have sufficed "
. I’ll say what I want Tom |
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"I wouldn’t have risked my job for it even though it is a once in a lifetime opportunity. You take risks you have to be willing to take the consequences. It’s unfortunate but yes she should go.
Yes or no would have sufficed
. I’ll say what I want Tom "
And I respect you right to do so |
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"Why would she not just book the day off instead of pulling a sickie? "
Because they were short staffed and she knew she wouldn't get the day off.
She did get sacked but didn't really care as football is her life. |
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