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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"nope"
What would you say is a reasonable amount for a young boy that lives for the weekend ?
That will spend the majority of the first month cleaning up ( all the jobs I hate )
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"You would struggle as that is below minimum wage, I have worked for free before but it is not something that is done anymore. "
First garage I worked in as an apprentice was free , paid nothing ( college for 3 years
Although I was not needed in college after something like 12 month as they couldn't teach me anything I didn't already know |
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"nope
What would you say is a reasonable amount for a young boy that lives for the weekend ?
That will spend the majority of the first month cleaning up ( all the jobs I hate )
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these things are regulated.
I have to say that not all youngsters are work shy wasters a lot of them work really hard
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"Minimum wage age 16. £4.62 an hour. "
Correct.
I'm not 100% certain but I think they need to be working towards a qualification as don't they need to be in education of some sort until 18 now? So yes they can work but only if they're still learning?
Don't quote me on that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You want free labour? Will they get any industry qualifications from being your trainee?
Have you considered an apprentice as there is a levy applied to that to help employers fund it. "
They get paid in exposure  |
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"You would struggle as that is below minimum wage, I have worked for free before but it is not something that is done anymore.
First garage I worked in as an apprentice was free , paid nothing ( college for 3 years
Although I was not needed in college after something like 12 month as they couldn't teach me anything I didn't already know "
 you really are Jay from the inbetweeners aren't you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Free or £10 a day ….. ffsake …… what do they call you .. Fagin ….. next you will be wanting small kids to clean chimneys lol …..! Pay people there worth and they will be happy to work … .. |
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"You would struggle as that is below minimum wage, I have worked for free before but it is not something that is done anymore.
First garage I worked in as an apprentice was free , paid nothing ( college for 3 years
Although I was not needed in college after something like 12 month as they couldn't teach me anything I didn't already know "
My lad has just finished his 3 year apprenticeship with Ford. He was on more than minimum wage for his age even then so if you're still in that industry you'd need to at least match that or give another incentive as to why they'd come to you over another brand |
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By *B69Woman
over a year ago
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I think your a bit hard on the young ones, many I know can’t wait to find work, my 16 year old got a job days after finishing school, loves it, always in early and stays longer than his shift asks, because of his hard work they pay him more than they should
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By *h508Man
over a year ago
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I’d respectfully disagree with the idea that young people don’t want to work and instead live for the weekend. Perhaps there are some, but I can guarantee that nearly everyone I was in school with will put in a hard days work. However, I can also guarantee that very few (if any) will do any sort of work for free. Largely because it’s not legal, but also because it’s a bit pointless and quite frankly insulting. |
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"I think your a bit hard on the young ones, many I know can’t wait to find work, my 16 year old got a job days after finishing school, loves it, always in early and stays longer than his shift asks, because of his hard work they pay him more than they should
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My nephew has had a job at a local beauty salon for some time now. They love him and pay him well for a day's work on the weekend.
Think the OP is in to a loser already. If you think young people are shit and treat them like shit they'll work like shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Minimum wage age 16. £4.62 an hour.
Correct.
I'm not 100% certain but I think they need to be working towards a qualification as don't they need to be in education of some sort until 18 now? So yes they can work but only if they're still learning?
Don't quote me on that."
Too late...I've quoted you |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You want free labour? Will they get any industry qualifications from being your trainee?
Have you considered an apprentice as there is a levy applied to that to help employers fund it. "
I'm not sure how things work these days as it's been a while since I had a trainee under my wing but if it's still the same then yes I'm a fully qualified vehicle technician with the experience to be able to sign off there job sheets 
Receiving qualifications is how overgrown to themselves and which ever training provider they are attending it college or yts |
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"Minimum wage age 16. £4.62 an hour.
Correct.
I'm not 100% certain but I think they need to be working towards a qualification as don't they need to be in education of some sort until 18 now? So yes they can work but only if they're still learning?
Don't quote me on that.
Too late...I've quoted you"
Ya nobber |
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"You want free labour? Will they get any industry qualifications from being your trainee?
Have you considered an apprentice as there is a levy applied to that to help employers fund it.
I'm not sure how things work these days as it's been a while since I had a trainee under my wing but if it's still the same then yes I'm a fully qualified vehicle technician with the experience to be able to sign off there job sheets
Receiving qualifications is how overgrown to themselves and which ever training provider they are attending it college or yts"
Ask your local colleges if they need any work placements for students. Probably your best bet. |
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"You want free labour? Will they get any industry qualifications from being your trainee?
Have you considered an apprentice as there is a levy applied to that to help employers fund it.
I'm not sure how things work these days as it's been a while since I had a trainee under my wing but if it's still the same then yes I'm a fully qualified vehicle technician with the experience to be able to sign off there job sheets
Receiving qualifications is how overgrown to themselves and which ever training provider they are attending it college or yts"
if you take on an apprentice their assessor will be keeping an eye on how you treat them and your attitude towards them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Minimum wage age 16. £4.62 an hour.
Correct.
I'm not 100% certain but I think they need to be working towards a qualification as don't they need to be in education of some sort until 18 now? So yes they can work but only if they're still learning?
Don't quote me on that.
Too late...I've quoted you
Ya nobber "
Nobber???? Have you stop using cunt? Lol |
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Eeeeh, when I were a lad, I used to work 25 hours a day down pit, pay ma gaffer for the privilege, then if I was lucky, when I got home, ma Dad used to make me clean his boots and send me to bed, which was a cardboard box in the middle of the street  |
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"Minimum wage age 16. £4.62 an hour.
Correct.
I'm not 100% certain but I think they need to be working towards a qualification as don't they need to be in education of some sort until 18 now? So yes they can work but only if they're still learning?
Don't quote me on that.
Too late...I've quoted you
Ya nobber
Nobber???? Have you stop using cunt? Lol"
Have I fuck! It wasn't quite cuntworthy |
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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago
Whitley Bay |
Treat them well and you'll get return.
4 quid ish an hour is rubbish even for a youngun.
I employ young people and I pay them well and treat them well. In return they respect me and do brilliant work.
I'm in a totally different sector but I don't see why the work ethos should be any different between trades. It helps if they actually want to be there though.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?"
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Free or £10 a day ….. ffsake …… what do they call you .. Fagin ….. next you will be wanting small kids to clean chimneys lol …..! Pay people there worth and they will be happy to work … .."
Chimneys/small kids omg, just nearly fell in a red hot bath |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minimum wage age 16. £4.62 an hour.
Correct.
I'm not 100% certain but I think they need to be working towards a qualification as don't they need to be in education of some sort until 18 now? So yes they can work but only if they're still learning?
Don't quote me on that.
Too late...I've quoted you
Ya nobber
Nobber???? Have you stop using cunt? Lol
Have I fuck! It wasn't quite cuntworthy "
That actually hurts lol |
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days? "
I was on £50 pw/£10 a day when doing a city and guilds......
22 years ago.
That was doing something that really was more like a hobby I wanted to excel in than a job.
I really didn't like the college bit tho, even though I only had to go once a fortnight as I was in workplace setting. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You would struggle as that is below minimum wage, I have worked for free before but it is not something that is done anymore.
First garage I worked in as an apprentice was free , paid nothing ( college for 3 years
Although I was not needed in college after something like 12 month as they couldn't teach me anything I didn't already know
My lad has just finished his 3 year apprenticeship with Ford. He was on more than minimum wage for his age even then so if you're still in that industry you'd need to at least match that or give another incentive as to why they'd come to you over another brand "
The best incentive I could offer would be that they'd not be great like a complete go for
They'd be starting where we all started by cleaning floors, wiping and sorting tools whilst at the sa!e time finding out the different types of tools and there purpose, making cuppas etc
I'd never keep anyone as a go for, if I don't think that they will make the grade id be straight with them
And I do think that's the best way  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days?
I was on £50 pw/£10 a day when doing a city and guilds......
22 years ago.
That was doing something that really was more like a hobby I wanted to excel in than a job.
I really didn't like the college bit tho, even though I only had to go once a fortnight as I was in workplace setting. "
City and guilds? Not many people know those |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"nope
What would you say is a reasonable amount for a young boy that lives for the weekend ?
That will spend the majority of the first month cleaning up ( all the jobs I hate )
these things are regulated.
I have to say that not all youngsters are work shy wasters a lot of them work really hard
"
Garage life is a hard battering life with lots of excersise and getting yourself into some awkward positions
It's not for the faint hearted
Only the strong survive
Banter
You must have skin like a rhino |
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days?
I was on £50 pw/£10 a day when doing a city and guilds......
22 years ago.
That was doing something that really was more like a hobby I wanted to excel in than a job.
I really didn't like the college bit tho, even though I only had to go once a fortnight as I was in workplace setting.
City and guilds? Not many people know those"
I fell pregnant 6 months before I was due to sit my exam. If I'd have taken it it would have probably been written on slate it was that long ago |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days?
I was on £50 pw/£10 a day when doing a city and guilds......
22 years ago.
That was doing something that really was more like a hobby I wanted to excel in than a job.
I really didn't like the college bit tho, even though I only had to go once a fortnight as I was in workplace setting. "
The average salary for a apprentice automotive technician is £14,238 per year in England. (Indeed.com)
No idea how valid this is as not an industry I’m familiar with. But sounds fair for a junior manual labour job. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think your a bit hard on the young ones, many I know can’t wait to find work, my 16 year old got a job days after finishing school, loves it, always in early and stays longer than his shift asks, because of his hard work they pay him more than they should
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Sounds like a champion
Sounds like his mother's raised him well |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days?
I was on £50 pw/£10 a day when doing a city and guilds......
22 years ago.
That was doing something that really was more like a hobby I wanted to excel in than a job.
I really didn't like the college bit tho, even though I only had to go once a fortnight as I was in workplace setting.
City and guilds? Not many people know those
I fell pregnant 6 months before I was due to sit my exam. If I'd have taken it it would have probably been written on slate it was that long ago "
Mine was city and guilds catering lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You want free labour? Will they get any industry qualifications from being your trainee?
Have you considered an apprentice as there is a levy applied to that to help employers fund it.
I'm not sure how things work these days as it's been a while since I had a trainee under my wing but if it's still the same then yes I'm a fully qualified vehicle technician with the experience to be able to sign off there job sheets
Receiving qualifications is how overgrown to themselves and which ever training provider they are attending it college or yts
if you take on an apprentice their assessor will be keeping an eye on how you treat them and your attitude towards them"
I know this and I know what's what, they'd be great fairly
Parts of the trade training and qualification is intact contributing to good house keeping, ie learning how to use a sweeping brush, moo and bucket, squeegy if you have 1_which I do
Watching and learning
Asking questions
Taking already ducked things to pieces and working shit out |
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"nope
What would you say is a reasonable amount for a young boy that lives for the weekend ?
That will spend the majority of the first month cleaning up ( all the jobs I hate )
these things are regulated.
I have to say that not all youngsters are work shy wasters a lot of them work really hard
Garage life is a hard battering life with lots of excersise and getting yourself into some awkward positions
It's not for the faint hearted
Only the strong survive
Banter
You must have skin like a rhino "
Exactly, which is another reason you need to give them something worthwhile.
Bad backs, weekend work, I don't think it helps with the world of electric vehicles emerging, it's kind of unknown territory to a degree and what they're learning now may be defunct in a few years with the changing products.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You would struggle as that is below minimum wage, I have worked for free before but it is not something that is done anymore.
First garage I worked in as an apprentice was free , paid nothing ( college for 3 years
Although I was not needed in college after something like 12 month as they couldn't teach me anything I didn't already know
My lad has just finished his 3 year apprenticeship with Ford. He was on more than minimum wage for his age even then so if you're still in that industry you'd need to at least match that or give another incentive as to why they'd come to you over another brand
The best incentive I could offer would be that they'd not be great like a complete go for
They'd be starting where we all started by cleaning floors, wiping and sorting tools whilst at the sa!e time finding out the different types of tools and there purpose, making cuppas etc
I'd never keep anyone as a go for, if I don't think that they will make the grade id be straight with them
And I do think that's the best way "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think it's time I took a trainee on but these days young end don't want to work or learn, look forward to pay day whilst sitting on there arses and not asking enough questions
Questions are important as it's how we learn
Plus I'd prefer someone that wants to work for free but I'm even struggling to find a £10 a day boy
Am I being fair ?
Trainee what? Got to be a very rewarding career to invest free work… but given £10 a day is a stretch does not sound like it.
Are there not generous grants from the government to support genuine apprenticeships these days?
I was on £50 pw/£10 a day when doing a city and guilds......
22 years ago.
That was doing something that really was more like a hobby I wanted to excel in than a job.
I really didn't like the college bit tho, even though I only had to go once a fortnight as I was in workplace setting.
City and guilds? Not many people know those"
I was at college around then, mine had already swapped over to nvq,s |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"nope
What would you say is a reasonable amount for a young boy that lives for the weekend ?
That will spend the majority of the first month cleaning up ( all the jobs I hate )
these things are regulated.
I have to say that not all youngsters are work shy wasters a lot of them work really hard
Garage life is a hard battering life with lots of excersise and getting yourself into some awkward positions
It's not for the faint hearted
Only the strong survive
Banter
You must have skin like a rhino
Exactly, which is another reason you need to give them something worthwhile.
Bad backs, weekend work, I don't think it helps with the world of electric vehicles emerging, it's kind of unknown territory to a degree and what they're learning now may be defunct in a few years with the changing products.
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I'm actually joking about the free Labour lol
I think I'd go £15 a day max until he's actually able to smaller jobs not constantly watched like brakes and suspension
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"nope
What would you say is a reasonable amount for a young boy that lives for the weekend ?
That will spend the majority of the first month cleaning up ( all the jobs I hate )
these things are regulated.
I have to say that not all youngsters are work shy wasters a lot of them work really hard
Garage life is a hard battering life with lots of excersise and getting yourself into some awkward positions
It's not for the faint hearted
Only the strong survive
Banter
You must have skin like a rhino
Exactly, which is another reason you need to give them something worthwhile.
Bad backs, weekend work, I don't think it helps with the world of electric vehicles emerging, it's kind of unknown territory to a degree and what they're learning now may be defunct in a few years with the changing products.
"
Bad backs are something your lad will develop
We all develop those
I struggle straightening up when I get out the bath these days
Knackered hands
Cuts
Burns
Injuries
Developed a few wounds today taking shackle bolts off |
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"You want free labour? Will they get any industry qualifications from being your trainee?
Have you considered an apprentice as there is a levy applied to that to help employers fund it.
I'm not sure how things work these days as it's been a while since I had a trainee under my wing but if it's still the same then yes I'm a fully qualified vehicle technician with the experience to be able to sign off there job sheets
Receiving qualifications is how overgrown to themselves and which ever training provider they are attending it college or yts
if you take on an apprentice their assessor will be keeping an eye on how you treat them and your attitude towards them
I know this and I know what's what, they'd be great fairly
Parts of the trade training and qualification is intact contributing to good house keeping, ie learning how to use a sweeping brush, moo and bucket, squeegy if you have 1_which I do
Watching and learning
Asking questions
Taking already ducked things to pieces and working shit out "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So basically you want a sla ve with a positive mental attitude
WOW
Sla very has been abolished
I bet you pay yourself more than £10 a day"
I think a sla*e with a positive mental attitude would in fact be a keeper
At I'd even be tempted at marriage |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The smart kids will want to train in EV maintenance as they’ll have realised ICE cars and maintenance have a limited career path and rates will go down. Tesla are offering £200 to £300 a week for apprentice jobs. So £10 to £15 for a trainee carwash might not be that appealing. |
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"The smart kids will want to train in EV maintenance as they’ll have realised ICE cars and maintenance have a limited career path and rates will go down. Tesla are offering £200 to £300 a week for apprentice jobs. So £10 to £15 for a trainee carwash might not be that appealing. "
I'd imagine feel a would be wanting grade a school leavers for that price though |
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