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"Not me. Got divorced and came to a sensible agreement with my ex and never a lawyer bothered the issue. But we were both intelligent reasonable people. Lawyers are for those who can't handle their own shit. " It's not a divorce case but glad you got good ones | |||
"Not me. Got divorced and came to a sensible agreement with my ex and never a lawyer bothered the issue. But we were both intelligent reasonable people. Lawyers are for those who can't handle their own shit. It's not a divorce case but glad you got good ones " I got married to somebody who wasn't an idiot and separated the same way. Amicably. Your OP doesn't really make plain what the problem is, other than clever people making money off of less clever people? | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() Sorry I don't agree. They advise not decide. They often deal with less than ideal or lose lose situations. Not sure you can write them all off. If yours isn't helping then highlight the issue and or change. | |||
"Not me. Got divorced and came to a sensible agreement with my ex and never a lawyer bothered the issue. But we were both intelligent reasonable people. Lawyers are for those who can't handle their own shit. It's not a divorce case but glad you got good ones I got married to somebody who wasn't an idiot and separated the same way. Amicably. Your OP doesn't really make plain what the problem is, other than clever people making money off of less clever people? " Conveyancing.. they keep on sending me paper work without reading it | |||
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"Not me. Got divorced and came to a sensible agreement with my ex and never a lawyer bothered the issue. But we were both intelligent reasonable people. Lawyers are for those who can't handle their own shit. " Same here, why do I have an odd feeling they feed off discord emotions. Have the same feeling about dentists and doctors/drugs companies, | |||
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"Not me. Got divorced and came to a sensible agreement with my ex and never a lawyer bothered the issue. But we were both intelligent reasonable people. Lawyers are for those who can't handle their own shit. " Same for me!! But I worked for lawyers who checked everything after we had agreed it. Saved a small fortune J x | |||
"Not me. Got divorced and came to a sensible agreement with my ex and never a lawyer bothered the issue. But we were both intelligent reasonable people. Lawyers are for those who can't handle their own shit. " Is the "can't handle their own shit" statement just relating to divorce law, or across the board?! I'd argue my 18yo did require professional representation when giving evidence against someone who attacked him and broke the bones in his face. The Police certainly were not a shred of help and would have dropped the case if he hadn't pushed and pushed, aided by legal advice from one of his friend's mothers. The assailant was eventually convicted.... | |||
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"everyone hates lawyers until they need one..." Then they find one and hate even more ![]() | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() I don't hate the ones I've had dealings with and my friends who are in that profession. ![]() | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() Hate is a big word.. I would appreciate if they read the paperwork properly and deal with it. | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() you've unfortunately got one who isn't doing their job properly. | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one..." Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() I called my lawyer and said I sent you an email and he replied it's only been 6 days lol | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. " No bias there ![]() | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. " good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() A barrister isn’t a lawyer though | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() did you say he's dealing with conveyancing on your behalf? They're notoriously slow with that. we were lucky and had a really excellent man | |||
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"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() I thought solicitors and barristers were both lawyers | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() True, lawyers are money grabbing people with questionable parentage. Barristers help them feel less guilty, m’lord. | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() Slow I can understand these days with stamp duty holiday. They received the contract and sent it to me without reading for signing. Who does that? | |||
"Use lawyers a fair bit in my business.. Principally regulatory and normally in a consultative manner. But when I've needed them to step up they've been brilliant. Unfortunately they seem to be an exception to the rule and the rest, divorce, employment and ambulance chasers aaggghh! But rest assured they wind each other up too. I witnessed said regulatory lawyer utterly loose his shit with his conveyancing solicitor... Made me feel a heap better lol" Got a taste of his own medicine ![]() | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() someone who is not payin attention ![]() ![]() | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() Good question. Why pay them if you can do it? Why do you? | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() Oh can’t wait for this. Can you elaborate | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Then they find one and hate even more ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There should be some accountability. | |||
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"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() Because you need a lawyer for conveyancing. Never heard anybody doing it themselves. Can you though? | |||
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"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() That’s a conveyancer. Not the same thing | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() My bad. My lord | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() Now, that’s a judge | |||
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"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() Hence I addressed you as my lord. You don't sell ice cream in winters. | |||
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"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? " Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() Maybe you should tell the endless desert places on just eat….if you see ice cream, you sell it all year round | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. " totally wrong. | |||
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"OP, you seem to be tarring all lawyers with the same brush. There are lots of different lawyers, and a range of ability (as with many professionals). Seems a bit unfair. Many people do not fully appreciate the reason why we have laws and particularly why they are so complicated. This leads to a sense of contempt for lawyers and/or a sense of begrudging when paying their fees for something that is actually quite complicated. IS (not a Solicitor)" Yeah it did sound like that. Sorry I'm a bit irritated by them today. I know there are good and bad people. | |||
"OP, you seem to be tarring all lawyers with the same brush. There are lots of different lawyers, and a range of ability (as with many professionals). Seems a bit unfair. Many people do not fully appreciate the reason why we have laws and particularly why they are so complicated. This leads to a sense of contempt for lawyers and/or a sense of begrudging when paying their fees for something that is actually quite complicated. IS (not a Solicitor) Yeah it did sound like that. Sorry I'm a bit irritated by them today. I know there are good and bad people. " Why the frustration? What was the ball ache they caused today. May help the thread | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() McDonald's ice cream machine stops working for a reason ![]() | |||
"OP, you seem to be tarring all lawyers with the same brush. There are lots of different lawyers, and a range of ability (as with many professionals). Seems a bit unfair. Many people do not fully appreciate the reason why we have laws and particularly why they are so complicated. This leads to a sense of contempt for lawyers and/or a sense of begrudging when paying their fees for something that is actually quite complicated. IS (not a Solicitor) Yeah it did sound like that. Sorry I'm a bit irritated by them today. I know there are good and bad people. Why the frustration? What was the ball ache they caused today. May help the thread" Let's not go into deep details.. everyone is on fab these days ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. " How so? | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() ![]() McDonald’s legal cannot call it ice cream though. | |||
"Does everyone feel the same way? Why pay them when I have to read and highlight issues ![]() ![]() They do.. you wanna sue them? | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so?" Beautiful eyes btw Saffron ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so?" One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing" ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing" Incorrect. | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing ![]() says* | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. " So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing ![]() Dude you are so wrong. I can't even tell you how wrong you are. You are wrong ![]() | |||
"OP, you seem to be tarring all lawyers with the same brush. There are lots of different lawyers, and a range of ability (as with many professionals). Seems a bit unfair. Many people do not fully appreciate the reason why we have laws and particularly why they are so complicated. This leads to a sense of contempt for lawyers and/or a sense of begrudging when paying their fees for something that is actually quite complicated. IS (not a Solicitor)" I'm with you Is... There is a huge range of skills and abilities. As you move into more specialist arenas so the complexity and (hopefully) competence increases. These guys and gals also tend to be aware that their business is repeat and they are only as good as their last job. | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research " Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing ![]() ![]() tell me. It’s fact. Use facts if you disagree | |||
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"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research " Yes, good idea. Do some research and report back tomorrow morning by 9am sharp. Cheers ![]() | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() ‘Twas tongue in cheek, there are massive differences in in all levels and types of areas and people who represent the law. I studied law (international contract law) For a great number of years, appears the law hasn’t developed a sense of humour yet. If you mention Carbolic Smoke, I’ll block you! | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. " Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing ![]() ![]() It's 13 minutes to 1am. 12 minutes to now | |||
"everyone hates lawyers until they need one... Not strictly true, son is looking to be a barrister, love him to bits. good, I don't hate lawyers either. ![]() ![]() Sounds like a legal threat ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information " You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing ![]() ![]() Thought so | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() Give me an example then | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information " The word lawyer just means someone who practices law. Barristers and solicitors are both lawyers. | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() Possibly 50% of the legal files in my office right now. | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() Family law solicitors can and do stand up in family courts and advocate for their client. Source: my own experience in a family court ![]() | |||
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"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information The word lawyer just means someone who practices law. Barristers and solicitors are both lawyers. " But OP says lawyer and is talking about a solicitor as such, I use the threads terminology | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() Nope, I am not a lawyer of any sort ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() Okay so tell me, can I go to jail for flirting with you? ![]() | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() No but I work with solicitors and barristers in a different part of law.. | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() Obviously. You just copy and paste of the reliable Wiki ![]() | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() So what do you do | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() As above. That’s all you need to know | |||
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"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() Admin then | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() Case closed. | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() As it happens no. But legal admins are very knowledgable so wouldn’t be an insult ![]() | |||
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"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() I have cited my sources on both occasions, yes. I haven't suggested at any point that I wrote the info myself ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() ![]() You’ll just get hard labour for that. | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() Paralegal ![]() | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() Obviously you aren’t a legal admin then | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() I love it when you spit your dummy out ![]() | |||
"So what's the difference between a lawyer, a solicitor and a barrister? Solicitors and Barristers are both lawyers but barristers have higher advocacy rights and do more specialised representations in courts. totally wrong. How so? One simple one. One stands up in court. The other days nothing Incorrect. So the barrister isn’t the one standing up in court and presenting his case and questioning? That what you’re saying? I’d do some research Not in every court no. That would depend on the grade of the solicitor and the type of court. I suggest you do your own research. Wrong. Crown court. The barrister does the above. A lawyer collates the information You’re barking up the wrong tree. The world of law is vast and many solicitors have higher advice rights and represent. I know the ones I work with do daily. ![]() ![]() Would that be incase of successful flirting or I'll get hard labour for nothing? | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() Cute. Shame I havent | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() You’re inferring I’m not knowledgable. That’s lowering the standard of discussion. If you have any further valid points please feel free to discuss them. | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() Consider myself and kinky couple as your judges ![]() | |||
"Sorry I don't agree. They advise not decide. They often deal with less than ideal or lose lose situations. Not sure you can write them all off. If yours isn't helping then highlight the issue and or change. " Yep. I wouldn't want to buy a house without having a solicitor to go through the boring details. They deal with this stuff daily, so they'll spot things I wouldn't. | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() Jumping to assumptions there | |||
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"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I judge Saffron knows her shit ![]() | |||
"To return to the OP, yes, dealing with conveyancers (solicitor or otherwise qualified person) can be excruciating yes. Anything that involves two sets of legal bods, plus the need for searches into other areas like the Land Registry, coal mining authority, water boards, local council building control perhaps. Then you're always going to hit delays. Some property is harder to fathom the legal status of than others." It will all be good if they bloody read the paper anyway it's good to get it out of my chest. | |||
"Wait a minute.. is any one of you aware of what you are on about? You all sound like my lawyer. Are you even lawyers? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I am pure biased towards her so whatever she says I'm in agreement ![]() | |||
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"There are all sorts of doctors in the health service, just wouldn’t want a thoracic surgeon messing with my brain. To me law (and yes I I’m involved) is multi complexed. Does it creat complexity, yes it does, does that increase prices, to me it does. Sometimes it makes a mockery out of common sense. Times, it is the wisdom of Solomon." Just read the paper properly and make the client feel like he/she is getting good value ![]() | |||
"There are all sorts of doctors in the health service, just wouldn’t want a thoracic surgeon messing with my brain. To me law (and yes I I’m involved) is multi complexed. Does it creat complexity, yes it does, does that increase prices, to me it does. Sometimes it makes a mockery out of common sense. Times, it is the wisdom of Solomon. Just read the paper properly and make the client feel like he/she is getting good value ![]() Funny thing choice. ![]() | |||
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